Mini 1860 - Game Over!

[keyenpeydee]

JarJar, I still don't get why you're scum reading me. Mind to give reasons?

[JarJarDrinks]

That quote on Vijarada is not serious btw.

huh what was that post about then?

[keyenpeydee]

That quote on Vijarada is not serious btw.

huh what was that post about then?

It's just much more like saying that he's scum because it's what he's doing to all players when we're scum together.

And are you dodging my question?

[keyenpeydee]

yeah key is a good lynch. I get people don't want to rush things but sometimes rushing isn't so bad. Just had a game end where we lynched someone quickly and it worked in town's favor because he was scum and it helped the PRs find the other scums

Opportunistic

[keyenpeydee]

I get it all now. I'm going to bed and I would explain a lot more tomorrow.

[JarJarDrinks]

That quote on Vijarada is not serious btw.

huh what was that post about then?

It's just much more like saying that he's scum because it's what he's doing to all players when we're scum together.

Ok so why isn't it serious?

[JarJarDrinks]

And are you dodging my question?

I've explained reasons for scumreading you.

[keyenpeydee]

That quote on Vijarada is not serious btw.

huh what was that post about then?

It's just much more like saying that he's scum because it's what he's doing to all players when we're scum together.

Ok so why isn't it serious?

He hasn't posted any read-worthy posts, I think?

[JarJarDrinks]

So why post it then?

[JarJarDrinks]

See what I think happened is keynpeele realized that he posted a reads list that totally contradicted what he said in that post and tried to retcon himself.

[TwoFace]

yeah key is a good lynch. I get people don't want to rush things but sometimes rushing isn't so bad. Just had a game end where we lynched someone quickly and it worked in town's favor because he was scum and it helped the PRs find the other scums

Opportunistic

not really

[Raskolnikov]

I also see a lot of 'your post isn't worthy, my post is!' Raskolnikov for instance making Lil Uzi apologize. Why are you backing down Lil Uzi? What exactly is wrong with you posting your running thoughts as you catch up? More posts only help garner reads. Anyone trying to shut you down without reason should be suspect.

My bad, I do come off condescending a lot and I have to work on that. Wasn't intending to shut down lil or deny him a voice or something like that lol.

Man this feels like a newbie game lol.

How so? Explain your feels

Just the discussion on theory and basics like when to use meta being as much of a focus as it is. Was a throwaway comment not a super vital gamebreaking observation

[Raskolnikov]

@Kyouko I think you are just reading too far into it out of what looks like eagerness. I've played a bit and I hesitate making that same judgement you are (it's giving the benefit of the doubt at any rate) and even those who'd agree wouldn't go as far as to say it's obvious or clear. IMO it's giving people too much credit on both counts, on the assessment itself and given that, that people would think the same and reach your conclusion.

However, by choosing arbitrarily he implies that they are equally suspicious, or at least that they are close to the same level of suspicion.

This part too, most people do just go willynilly if it's earlygame rvs-ish there to vote for the sake of it, and your approach/analysis here would fit more in a later-day context. IOW you're probably better questioning/wide-focus this point as you run a risk overanalysing shallow things if you go that deep this early.

[Raskolnikov]

if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

If key flips town?

What's your opinion?

[Tywin Lannister]

If key flips town?

then obviously I would not keep an eye on him...

maybe but still wouldn't scumread him based on that alone.

never said I would. Also can you please not offer me advice on how to play my game. thank you

2F, your reads are as shit as ever. I remember you being so aggressive and ruining town.

uhh just going to say no comment and ignore this.

I will say that I am not even being aggressive right now.

This is just bad play. You wouldn't keep your eye on me if Keyan flipped town? Really? Only scum know alignments, so if i were scum, wouldn't it make sense for me to not defend my scum buddy, but defend a townie wagon? I think that's common sense. What I don't like is you trying to pair me with Keyan for no reason other than me asking why the Keyan wagon got so large without any reasoning behind it. You don't seem to like that though. Why? You don't like bad wagons explained? There are plenty of things to vote Keyan for that were no apparent at that point in the game. That means those votes need explanations.

Also, you're not aggressive, just abrasive. There's a difference. You haven't added anything to the conversation that justifies it though.

[Raskolnikov]

It's just much more like saying that he's scum because it's what he's doing to all players when we're scum together.

Can you be more specific?

[Tywin Lannister]

Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

VOTE: Gerryoat

This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?

@Everyone: Remember when I said that meta sucks and gave reasons why? Look at this guy ^. This is a guy that knows his meta and so uses it as a defense. He clearly thought this through beforehand.

Do we all know why meta sucks now? It allows crap like this to happen.

I think you're reaching very hard. It was just something that I say every game, and something that I feel like as town he wouldn't push on. But i guess he wasn't aware of it as I thought he would be.

I'm not reaching at all. If I was reaching, I'd have called it AI and voted you. I did neither. I simply used you as an example for why meta is useless. You used your own meta to defend yourself, which obviously is a good example showing how meta can be manipulated.

So where's the reach? Do you disagree with my assessment? Did you not use your own meta as a defense?

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: keyen

Explain your gear jarjar and tywin reads for me.

[Tywin Lannister]

I also see a lot of 'your post isn't worthy, my post is!' Raskolnikov for instance making Lil Uzi apologize. Why are you backing down Lil Uzi? What exactly is wrong with you posting your running thoughts as you catch up? More posts only help garner reads. Anyone trying to shut you down without reason should be suspect.

My bad, I do come off condescending a lot and I have to work on that. Wasn't intending to shut down lil or deny him a voice or something like that lol.

Man this feels like a newbie game lol.

How so? Explain your feels

Just the discussion on theory and basics like when to use meta being as much of a focus as it is. Was a throwaway comment not a super vital gamebreaking observation

@rask: fair enough

[Raskolnikov]

I caught up and still have null reads on pretty much everyone...

1. Why did you unvote twoface when you did?
2. What do you mean in 63?
3. There have been several exchanges by now to judge and the keyen wagon and you don't have any comment on any of it?

[Tywin Lannister]

I'd like Dave to answer the questions posed to him by multiple players now.

[Raskolnikov]

@Lil what are your thoughts on keyen etc?

[Raskolnikov]

I looked at keyen-gear game and he was pretty lynchbait there so I like gear personally saying we should treat him with kids gloves though I still think keyen's legit scummy here.
In that game with vijayanagar he did clean sweep though which feels amusing. More votes would be good at this stage I think.

As a side note, the problem with bringing out meta that early is that now keyen actually did start to be omgusy but it's invalid because it was after gear brought it up so meh.

[Raskolnikov]

Fuck meta though for now, too problematic. Let's what he promised tomorrow.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Rask: probably would keep an eye on you.
However JJD seemed to try to pocket you at one point so I'll reread him