Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Fish: I can link you to one of my completed scum games if you would like.

Yes please, actually. And a town one too, please. No promises I'll read them, but I might.

Town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69195
Scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68482

[Fishythefish]

governers claim when a jack is trumps during a day period, not need otherwise

@Giga: go ahead if you want, i suspect the Vedith push is a waste of time personally

Why? I don't think we should wait for it to be obvious it's worth scum lying. Right now, it'll be a hard call, and town will get useful information. On Jack-day, scum governors will just keep quiet.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I think I'd like the governors to claim. Hidden governors are a terrible idea - at least if they are in the open we can lynch the hell out them if they use the ability. Stealth vigging of them is FBM. The hidden bulletproof stopping a kill is waaaay less important than a possible missed lynch.

Anyone see a reason not to demand these claims on pain of lynch?

tbh i'd be for this

can govs ot the lynch off only themselves or anyone

they force a no-lynch instead of a lynch on anyone iirc. (the anyone part for sure, i only think it ends the day)

Max, how does Town benefit from having the governors not claim?

[Fishythefish]

It does end the day (source: the rules)

[MariaR]

I think I'd like the governors to claim. Hidden governors are a terrible idea - at least if they are in the open we can lynch the hell out them if they use the ability. Stealth vigging of them is FBM. The hidden bulletproof stopping a kill is waaaay less important than a possible missed lynch.

Anyone see a reason not to demand these claims on pain of lynch?

tbh i'd be for this

can govs ot the lynch off only themselves or anyone

they force a no-lynch instead of a lynch on anyone iirc. (the anyone part for sure, i only think it ends the day)

Max, how does Town benefit from having the governors not claim?

Oh that's not as big as a threat as the ones on em then lol
I don't think I see a problem with govs not claiming unless they use there power and out the next day

[gigabyteTroubadour]

It does end the day (source: the rules)

yes i know i just forgot because i only have one window open and don't like using tabs

sometimes i wonder if the rest of the table has read the rules though.

[Maxous]

we know there is 2 governer cards within the top 6, i wouldn't be

that

worried about it.

Max, how does Town benefit from having the governors not claim?

i just didn't think there was a need to be publicly announcing our cards but upon thinking about it I suppose it would be only 1 card out of 3 so it's not like the scum-team would know

that

much.
so sure, go ahead.

[Vecna]

Do i need to go on another tirade about how bad it is for us to claim al kinds of shit?

[Quipla]

Mod: If a player has the queen of hearts, does the heart function activate when a queen of clubs is trump?

No. Heart powers activate when hearts are trumps.

Mod

Can you clarify about the difference of rank and suit powers?

Yes. Rank powers are activated by a trump card with the same rank. Suit powers are activated by a trump card with the same suit.

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Searching for a replacement for MagnaofIllusion.

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DECK x 42 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #23

Lil Uzi Vert (5)

- SpyreX, Fishythefish, Kison, MagnaofIllusion, Titus

Vedith (4)

- davesaz, gigabyteTroubadour, Jackel98, gerryoat

Jackel98 (3)

- Vedith, Transcend, MariaR

MariaR (2)

- rb, Maxous

Transcend (2)

- McMenno, kraska77

rb (1)

- drealmerz7

Titus (1)

- Vecna

Drone (1)

- Vifam

SpyreX (1)

- Drone

Kison (1)

- Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2)

Creature, Dunnstral

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

[Maxous]

wait, i thought the jackel wagon died.
nevermind, i can't keep up with this

VOTE: Jackel98

[Fishythefish]

Do i need to go on another tirade about how bad it is for us to claim al kinds of shit?

I'm not proposing we claim "all kinds of shit". I'm proposing we claim a single card - because it's very antitown, and scum won't own up to it if a Jack comes up. If you don't think we should claim it - yes, please say why.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fishy read 1371

i missed it bc i dont read a lot of what goes on day one but it's a fair point, we could just be giving scum royalty vig/stealth vig targets. and based on my last pyp experience vigs are basically the most important thing for scum to take

sorry vecna :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i still don't think titus's # of cards massclaim was a bad idea because it doesn't give scum that information, it's still ultimately pro-town

but we're veering that rabbit hole where it does become pro-scum

[Jackel98]

Is it really that anti-town? 1/13 chance, and even then it has to be day and everyone would know if governor was used. If claimed, scum won't waste a shot. I don't see the point in claiming before there's a need.

[Creature]

Okay, so 3 cards under Fruit Allergy and a Fruit Vendor active.

[Creature]

At least we have a cop.

[Creature]

Btw, cop is daycop, so better start doing something.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Btw, cop is daycop, so better start doing something.

it's not a daycop, queen of clubs is still in trumps

they can cop tonight

[Fishythefish]

I'd thought about stealth vigs (though forgot royalty). My thinking here is:

- Scum stealth/royalty vigs can *already* shoot the governors in the face quite easily. The top 6 are going to have loads of royalty, and 2 of them have governors (even before eliminating any scums in there)
- Governor is an exceptionally antitown role if it comes up - it's

much worse

than missing a day, as we can lynch town but not scum. I'd be very surprised if we don't have at least one scuvernor.
- No way will scum claim it when a jack comes up. So we should make them claim it early (or lie early)

[Fishythefish]

Oh, and on the general claiming point: yeah, the bar for claiming should be high, and any claiming should be well-discussed before we jump in. I think the jack of clubs meets that high bar.

[SpyreX]

So that was fun
Vecna town+
Team shitposters town
Fish town
Moi town
Kison town
Creature town but startin to chap my hide

Thats a good start

Has jackal said anything of substance

[gerryoat]

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In post 1484, gerryoat wrote:
I'm the only one not voting, this makes me uncomfortable. Someone give me a case on someone, if I like it, I'll vote them


Are people Town reading this because he’s normally terrible?

i dont think anyones townreading him. but yes hes always unreadable, should be vigged asap

kraska. do me a favor. reread every game we've played together. Reread how every game you've called me scum. Reread how every game I've been town. Don't blame your shit reads on me, because you can't read me.

[gerryoat]

Are people Town reading this because he’s normally terrible?

I've only played 1 game terrible on this site as town. How about you go fuck yourself? <3

[Vecna]

Do i need to go on another tirade about how bad it is for us to claim al kinds of shit?

I'm not proposing we claim "all kinds of shit". I'm proposing we claim a single card - because it's very antitown, and scum won't own up to it if a Jack comes up. If you don't think we should claim it - yes, please say why.

2x royalty vig. Allows the holder to kill anyone if they know they have a Queen, jack or king

2x stealth vig. allows the holder to kill anyone if they can mention a card they have in their possession.

Card knowledge = ability to kill people.

Also it gives more information towards potential NK targets, potential Fruit vendor targets.

With every piece of information, we help scum solve the puzzle.

[gerryoat]

I don't understand how people on this site attribute being unreadable to being terrible. You're supposed to play both alignments similar so people can't read you either way. Every time I try acting super townie, I get n1'd by maf. So i'll just act like this so I can play longer in games