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[TwoFace]

Not a fan of two-face saying that Tywin should be looked at if keyen is scum, then saying "There's no one way that buddies interact, we should just read Tywin after a scumflip to see if they make sense as buddies". That seems like a different position taken after questioning.

I'm not telling anyone how they should read Tywin actually. I just said how I'm going to. At least get your facts straight

[Gamma Emerald]

I've played with him before too, doesn't change the fact he feels scummy here regardless

Distancing judgement this earlygame too is weak especially when you haven't done the due diligence on it either. If you think someone is scum for what looks like "shoddy distancing" you do the follow up and read the other person (gear) too in a more comprehensive way. You're not even looking to see more information from him it seems, but decided what you did incredibly fast and easily.

I did, I saw some bad distancing from Gear too

[Raskolnikov]

Huh. Well I can see where your coming from at least then, though I still disagree.

[Raskolnikov]

Jar has been asking a lot of questions and not giving answers. But, if you inspect his reads, they make sense. I can see why he's voting Key (even though I kinda disagree right now) And he also has a tr on tywin, which I can also see why he TRs tywin.

Wanna cw JJD wagon?

[TwoFace]

Everyone please, I've played with jarjar multiple times and he rubs a few people the wrong way every time with his somewhat "harsh" or judgmental-looking demeanor. I don't think he's scum here.

Yeah jar seems very town to me.

[Vijarada]

@Rask 317: I'm not sure anyone's reading Jar as scum due to being abrasive. Plenty of players are abrasive. I think there are other reasons.

[Raskolnikov]

There are other reasons and I addressed them too.

[gerryoat]

Jar has been asking a lot of questions and not giving answers. But, if you inspect his reads, they make sense. I can see why he's voting Key (even though I kinda disagree right now) And he also has a tr on tywin, which I can also see why he TRs tywin.

Wanna cw JJD wagon?

With who

[ssbm_Kyouko]

One of the best towntells is when you scumread someone but don't explain it and then someone comes along and explains it and it's what you have. I call it mirroring and it's what looks like what jarjar experienced.

I know it's awkward looking for you guys but I buy it.

You're saying that JJD TRs you because he was unable to explain his SR but you were able to put it in words and your words are what he was thinking in the first place, right? This makes sense if it's what you meant.

If not, why did you ignore his tr on you but not vijarada's?

?

So earlier JJD mentioned part of his reason for TRing you was that you questioned Vijarada for TRing you without much reason to. I was assuming he was right, didn't check for your post. My question is, if you questioned Vijarada, why did you not question JJD? I think your mirroring explanation answers this but if you have more to add please do

[Raskolnikov]

Idk about "unable", when you don't say something it doesn't necessarily mean you can't say it especially earlygame.

I think you misread the latter thing too, it was referring to me questioning vijagar's townread onto keyen.

[JarJarDrinks]

This is reaching HAAAAARD from JJD. He made a joke referencing a previous game where we were scumbuddies, then said it was a joke in the very same post. That's just being sillly, and JJD's attempt to read it otherwise falls flat. Do you really think JJD that key wouldn't have just edited it out before posting if he realised he contradicted himself?

No he most certainly did NOT say it was a joke in the very same post. It was the next post.

Otherwise I'd agree with you that he would have just edited it out. But since he couldn't, he tried to damage control the best he could by pretending it was a joke.

[JarJarDrinks]

Huh, didn't realize this wagon was this big.

Me neither. Though tywins vote is still from rvs and and gear hasn't been around in for a while.

[JarJarDrinks]

People who I'd consider good votes atm:
keyen
psychodave
gamma emerald

Agree w/ all these

[JarJarDrinks]

And JJD, if part of your reason for TRing Raskol was that he questioned a shitty tr on him (213), why do you continue to TR her when she inconsistently ignores your shitty TR on her?

I think you're talking about this post:

I agree w/ his keyen read and I like how he questioned Vijars shitty townread on him (which BTW Vijar ignored).

the "him" is referring to keyen. Rask pointed out that vijars read on keyan was bad in 98

[JarJarDrinks]

One of the best towntells is when you scumread someone but don't explain it and then someone comes along and explains it and it's what you have.

This.

Happens to me in every game. Basically I see a post and I think that it's something I could have posted myself.

Then people will usually tell me that townreading people for having similar reads is bad. Then I end up being right.

[JarJarDrinks]

Gamma, let's see his full case on you first and your response. I have a feeling he'll deliver.

Oh wait, I forgot he flipped to gamma lol. Yeah, that one looked like OMGUS at first site. But, we'll see what he has to say about that.

I thought what I posted already was pretty good. Maybe I didn't explain it well though. I'll try to lay it out better.

[gerryoat]

Ehhh.. of those, I'd go with PsychoticDave

[gerryoat]

People who I'd consider good votes atm:
keyen
psychodave
gamma emerald

Agree w/ all these

as in these

[Tywin Lannister]

My vote on JJD was from RVS. I just never took it off. Still reading, but noticed another JJD vote, so I'm going to UNVOTE:

For now. May revote that slot later if warranted, but I'm not staying on the wagon without catching up first.

[JarJarDrinks]

So here's my first 9 posts in the game

Spoiler:

VOTE: JarJarDrinks for taking a character that ruined a movie and making a bad pun out of it

Anakin ruined TPM way more than Jar Jar did.

...and it's a pretty good pun.

No one in Game of Thrones is bad.

Definitely false.

VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

There is no way that you believe that.

There's no way you believe that whatever u were doing w/ regards to keyen could possibly have told you anything AI.

@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

It was an arbitrary choice between last on the Keyen wagon and PsychoticDave for his assessment of the situation.

UNVOTE:

I actually like this answer.

Like I thought you were RVSing on 2face after that whole keyen ordeal which would have made no sense.

@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

It was an arbitrary choice between last on the Keyen wagon and PsychoticDave for his assessment of the situation.

UNVOTE:

I actually like this answer.

I like it about 2face. If I had to pick a vote on the wagon that looked contrived. He'd be my first pick.

As for psychodave, I took his post in 63 as him attempting to be funny.

Yyyyyyyyyyyy

The red letters in your role pm.

No. You looked at your role pm.

VOTE: Gear

Do you think I'm scum?

Yes. Maybe.

So what does this mean?

He explained what it means

I've played with Keyen before, I was scum, and had a front row seat to him OMGUSing everyone who suspected him (among other things, but that's what's relevant here). I saw that from him here, and it's good enough for me for now. Now, I am voting someone new.

I think it's pretty dumb and/or not believable but he did explain it.

So based on those 9 posts, gamma posts this:

JJD feels like town. Gear too.

So then lotsa stuff happens and Gamma read changes

Actually JJD seems pretty scummy upon ISO
VOTE: JarJarDrinks

Ok, no issue so far. Reads change and I've made a few dozen posts since the fisrt read. So I want to see what posts of mine made him change his read:

Got anything specific?

and he responds with:

VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

It was an arbitrary choice between last on the Keyen wagon and PsychoticDave for his assessment of the situation.

UNVOTE:

I actually like this answer.

This looks like shoddy distancing

like wow. this is horrible for so many reasons.

- First off. He quoted posts from the 9 posts that I made back when he was townreading me. Like I wanted to know which posts I've made SINCE that townread that changed his mind. Like how in the hell does he quote a post that I made LITERALLY ON THE SAME PAGE that he said he townreads me. Like why when he read it earlier, he didn't have a problem w/ it?

His answer:

OK, reads change

then when I explain that reads should only change based on NEW content he says:

My earlier reads were half assed

So he's using the "those weren't REAL reads" defense. Then he says:

Yeah
I just threw out some reads based on a few seconds of analysis
This is why I like giving reads at my own pace, it lets me form actually solid reads

As if to imply that someone forced the reads out of him. But go back and read page 4. He gave those reads completely voluntaraly w/o prompting from anyone.

- And the 2nd reason that his answer is so horrible is that the reason he finds those posts scummy is because it "looks like shoddy distancing". And who does it look I'm distancing myself from? GEAR, the OTHER guy that Gamma gave an unprompted townread to in that post. I'd like to know what made Gamma change his read of gear also. Was it also something that he was townreading Gear for earlier?

[Tywin Lannister]

People who I'd consider good votes atm:
keyen
psychodave
gamma emerald

I agree with this actually.

Keyan looks too easy, and the wagon grew too fast very early without much reasoning at the time beyond 'feels,' but his recent play hasn't looked any better. I also don't like him putting me in as his essentially only town-read in that huge read list he posted. I was at the top. I question the wagon and he jumps on me as being super town, while Two Face jumps as if it connects me to Keyan. Both extreme reactions seem contrived to me.

Psychodave has been given excuses for his supposed 'fast environment' as to why he posts fluff and/or scummy things. He hasn't answered any questions posed to him, and for some reason, nobody has truly jumped on him with votes the way they have with Keyan. Only a select few have questioned Dave or his motives at all. That makes me suspicious. Also, where is TwoFace giving his pairing if Dave flips scum? I forgot which person it was that explained Dave away as 'fast paced environment' so I'll have to go back and find it, but I'm on my phone so it will take another post to do it. Regardless, TwoFace should be pairing those two as well if he holds to his current reasoning. Why hasn't this happened?

Gamma seems to vote randomly and gives little weight to them. I questioned Rask's motivations about Lil Uzi, and gamma votes Lil Uzi right after. I didn't get why, and it looked odd. Then Rask questions gamma about his casual play, so gamma does a literal 3 minute ISO (supposedly) and changes votes. Again, I don't see any real reason for it and there's no weight with the vote. It seems to go on whomever seems easy at the time, but it doesn't look like Gamma legitimately believes they're voting scum in any instance.

All the mentions of TwoFace above lead me to mention a possible OMGUS read (on my part) on TwoFace. Mainly it's due to him trying to pair me with Keyan for questioning the early vote reasons on him. He then says if Keyan flips town, he's not going to watch me anymore. That doesn't seem like a townie statement. Townie TwoFace should watch everyone regardless. Whatever Keyan flips wouldn't make me more/less town. What's the goal with the pairing statement? He claims he isn't telling anyone else what to do after the fact, but told 'town' to watch me in his original post. It seems like he's flip flopping his stance based on whether he gets questioned on it or not. He also gets very defensive/abrasive about it too, which seems odd to me. This may all be OMGUS/conf bias on my part though. I'll let everyone else decide. Regardless, I find his overall play to be scummy, although maybe he just likes being an Internet tough guy. It's hard to tell RN.

[Gamma Emerald]

I skimread it before because I don't always have the luxury of taking my sweet ass time
I initially townread the interaction but after looking back I felt like it was distancing
So yes I did change what I thought of the posts

[Gamma Emerald]

@tywin: So you think I'm scum for vote hopping?

[Tywin Lannister]

Do you think JJD had good reason to TR you in post 181 Rask? If not, why did you ignore his tr on you but not vijarada's? And JJD, if part of your reason for TRing Raskol was that he questioned a shitty tr on him (213), why do you continue to TR her when she inconsistently ignores your shitty TR on her? Trying to make sense of this. Raskol, why isn't jarjar being lynched? This doesn't look right

VOTE: JJD
L-2

Found the name. Kyouko is the one who defended Dave and claimed his play was clearly 'fast paced environment.' Now I see Kyouko wants to quicklynch JJD? What are your reasons for this vote Kyou? Could you explain why JJD is scummy and Dave is not?

[Tywin Lannister]

@tywin: So you think I'm scum for vote hopping?

I gave reasons why I agreed with you being possible scum from my perspective. That doesn't mean you're tops on my scum list, or id be voting you. Your vote hopping just looks like you don't actually believe any of them are scum, which makes me question alignment.