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[Tywin Lannister]

if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

Not a fan of two-face saying that Tywin should be looked at if keyen is scum, then saying "There's no one way that buddies interact, we should just read Tywin after a scumflip to see if they make sense as buddies". That seems like a different position taken after questioning.

I'm not telling anyone how they should read Tywin actually. I just said how I'm going to. At least get your facts straight

Posting this for future TwoFace attack on me, since his personality makes me assume it's a guaranteed reaction.

[Tywin Lannister]

This forum needs a phone app. Ugh.

[TwoFace]

That doesn't seem like a townie statement. Townie TwoFace should watch everyone regardless

This is absurd. I can't be suspicious of everyone. Townies should not be suspicious of everyone when the math proves town outnumber scum. I'm not going to be "keeping an eye on" people I don't think are scum. I honestly don't believe that you don't understand the reference.

Whatever Keyan flips wouldn't make me more/less town.

I obviously disagree. I may not be correct in thinking you and he could be paired, but that's what I'm currently thinking.

What's the goal with the pairing statement?

To let others know that I think there's a possible connection in case somewhere down the line I'm not around. I try to be transparent with my scum reads.

He claims he isn't telling anyone else what to do after the fact, but told 'town' to watch me in his original post.

Why do you go and lie right now? I never told anyone to watch you. Here's what I said.

^ smh

Mental note. Keep an eye on that guy

You should be smart enough to know what mental note means. I didn't tell anyone anything and don't appreciate you and keyan twisting the truth.

It seems like he's flip flopping his stance based on whether he gets questioned on it or not.

I haven't flip flopped on anything actually. Please provide evidence or I'll consider this a second lie.

He also gets very defensive/abrasive about it too, which seems odd to me

Well then you will always find me odd because I'm a defensive/abrasive player in general. I've even got that I'm defensive in my signature cause it keeps coming up. If people say things about me that aren't true, I'm going to set the record straight. I'm also not in elementary school and know nobody else on this site is either so they don't get treated with kids gloves.

although maybe he just likes being an Internet tough guy

Shit son. You haven't even seen me close to my worst yet. Keep lying about me though. That's a good way to poke the bull.

[TwoFace]

if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

Not a fan of two-face saying that Tywin should be looked at if keyen is scum, then saying "There's no one way that buddies interact, we should just read Tywin after a scumflip to see if they make sense as buddies". That seems like a different position taken after questioning.

I'm not telling anyone how they should read Tywin actually. I just said how I'm going to. At least get your facts straight

Posting this for future TwoFace attack on me, since his personality makes me assume it's a guaranteed reaction.

Seems unnecessary. I was only going to focus on you if key flipped scum. Though lying is a big no no for me so you definitely dropped down a few notches.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

[-Grey-]

Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

[Gamma Emerald]

Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

It feels like he's too concerned about TF's association
Maybe scum caught for the wrong reason

[gerryoat]

VOTE: PsychoticDave

voting this for now.

[-Grey-]

Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

It feels like he's too concerned about TF's association
Maybe scum caught for the wrong reason

If he is too concerned about TF's association, why would he draw even more attention to it the way he has been?

[Gamma Emerald]

if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

Not a fan of two-face saying that Tywin should be looked at if keyen is scum, then saying "There's no one way that buddies interact, we should just read Tywin after a scumflip to see if they make sense as buddies". That seems like a different position taken after questioning.

I'm not telling anyone how they should read Tywin actually. I just said how I'm going to. At least get your facts straight

Posting this for future TwoFace attack on me, since his personality makes me assume it's a guaranteed reaction.

This does not look like a town post. It looks like scum trying to discredit/pre-defend.

[-Grey-]

This does not look like a town post. It looks like scum trying to discredit/pre-defend.

So... why aren't you voting him?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I didn't really think to take initiative
VOTE: Tywin Lannister

[-Grey-]

I liked your reasoning, but it's hard to buy when your vote isn't where your mouth is.

VOTE: Tywin Lannister

[gerryoat]

back to back bad votes imo

[TwoFace]

Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

It feels like he's too concerned about TF's association
Maybe scum caught for the wrong reason

Yeah that's what I said earlier. He's making a big deal out of something so small.

[TwoFace]

We need to lynch keyen first

[gerryoat]

We need to lynch keyen first

what's your read on psychoticdave

[TwoFace]

Let me read his posts later and I'll tell you.

[TwoFace]

Dave is null. Hasn't don't anything protown but hasn't really done anything scummy either. Really hasn't done anything

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And JJD, if part of your reason for TRing Raskol was that he questioned a shitty tr on him (213), why do you continue to TR her when she inconsistently ignores your shitty TR on her?

I think you're talking about this post:

I agree w/ his keyen read and I like how he questioned Vijars shitty townread on him (which BTW Vijar ignored).

the "him" is referring to keyen. Rask pointed out that vijars read on keyan was bad in 98

Oh yeah I definitely misread that. The pronoun confused me and that looked like a huge inconsistency the way I read it the first time.
VOTE: Gear
Back here for now, I'll have to reread the game and take notes sometime soon but I'm working a lot lately. There seem to be more than a few people looking at Keyen, PD, and Gamma so I'll have to see what all that's about in more detail. Not really feeling any of those from the phone skimming I've been doing to keep up lately though.

Do you think JJD had good reason to TR you in post 181 Rask? If not, why did you ignore his tr on you but not vijarada's? And JJD, if part of your reason for TRing Raskol was that he questioned a shitty tr on him (213), why do you continue to TR her when she inconsistently ignores your shitty TR on her? Trying to make sense of this. Raskol, why isn't jarjar being lynched? This doesn't look right

VOTE: JJD
L-2

Found the name. Kyouko is the one who defended Dave and claimed his play was clearly 'fast paced environment.' Now I see Kyouko wants to quicklynch JJD? What are your reasons for this vote Kyou? Could you explain why JJD is scummy and Dave is not?

I was voting JJD when you made this post so I'll address this. I gave the only reason I had for voting JJD in the post in which I voted him. I no longer think he's scummy since my read was based on something I misunderstood now that it's been shown to me who "him" was referring to. I never said Dave is not scummy. I think he's been really inactive and people who are scumreading him seem to be doing so for post 63. The first thing I thought when I read that was that he's from a chatbox mafia site because it doesn't make sense to assume the second of those things.

That doesn't seem like a townie statement. Townie TwoFace should watch everyone regardless

This is absurd. I can't be suspicious of everyone. Townies should not be suspicious of everyone when the math proves town outnumber scum. I'm not going to be "keeping an eye on" people I don't think are scum. I honestly don't believe that you don't understand the reference.

He claims he isn't telling anyone else what to do after the fact, but told 'town' to watch me in his original post.

Why do you go and lie right now? I never told anyone to watch you. Here's what I said.

^ smh

Mental note. Keep an eye on that guy

You should be smart enough to know what mental note means. I didn't tell anyone anything and don't appreciate you and keyan twisting the truth.

So mental notes are like things that you keep to yourself though. It seems like a stretch to say that Tywin and Keyen are twisting the truth because it looks pretty easy to interpret your posts the way they seem to be doing. Putting you three together in iso doesn't really show me anything right away either so again I'll need to take notes to figure out what I think of the fight going on between Tywin/TwoFace. Both of you look pretty earnest though so that makes me lean towards this being TvT, keeping any other information aside.

[TwoFace]

So mental notes are like things that you keep to yourself though. It seems like a stretch to say that Tywin and Keyen are twisting the truth because it looks pretty easy to interpret your posts the way they seem to be doing

Yes mental notes are usually things kept to myself but I also have to make my scum reads and potential scum reads known somehow. Being dead and not having my reads out is bad.

They did twist the truth (nice way to lighten up that they actually lied btw) cause they both accused me of telling others what to do and I didn't at all. I even quoted my post which clearly shows I wasn't telling anyone else to do anything.

[keyenpeydee]

What Rasko just said on me is real [143]. If you think I'm awkward and self conscious, then let's put it this way: Imagine Gear suspecting me for OMGUS'ing 68, which I think I've done in past games here, People randomly formed an RVS wagon which I need to be careful not to look scummy plus, I've been also thinking it as a random wagon and not a serious one. So you could see my posts here: 43 53, 58 is actually me being silly. 62 68, 74 when I asked if RVS is out because I want to know if I'll read everything as serious. 76 is me being

self-conscious

, So I really didn't say my reason. 89 is really my reaction in post 68.

Okay so this is what I found out: 177 is when JJD suspecting me with Rasko's 143 reason. 2F then immediately said 178 which I think is being opportunistic. Especially when he said: "I get people don't want to rush things but sometimes rushing isn't so bad. Just had a game end where we lynched someone quickly and it worked in town's favor because he was scum and it helped the PRs find the other scums" - I don't see this relation with what he said that I am a good lynch. If it's his gut, It's weak.

183 is when JJD didn't believe me, Of course, what would you feel if someone think you're lying when you're telling the truth? 191 is offensive. So it's offensive, I said 193. JJD really think I'm scummy, he doesn't want to pay attention on my posts. This is 194 when I said 190 which I stated on .

195 - It is definitely an invalid argument. When I said I'm on my mobile at that time which is true and matter-of-factly speaking, This is NAI. Argument is invalid because I forced myself to find that someone and quoted it with another post. Gerryoat, does that mean I'm avoiding direct confrontation when I quoted it on my next post?

344 - Actually JJD, reads do actually change. If Gamma reads your later posts as scummy, then re-reads your ISO again, He can find your posts that he finds town as scummy. Come to think of it: If you find a food delicious at the first time but saw some things you don't like on it, It can very much change your look on it whatever you say it's not disgusting.

VOTE: TwoFace

I'm still not voting for JJD, I'm going back on forth on him, but 2F - I need your reasons compiled on me why you think I'm a good lynch instead of Tywin who you find scummy?

[JarJarDrinks]

back to back bad votes imo

[keyenpeydee]

I just read Gear's iso which is full of Keyen meta whatever scum yada yada on me. Seriously Gear, If you find me scummy, State some quotes, reasons or whatever which is

related on the game

and not on the previous game we had.

VOTE: keyen

Explain your gear jarjar and tywin reads for me.

Gear's explanation is on the first paragraph here on the post. JarJar is on 371. Tywin, Well, I find him townish. He's not my strongest town read but I like his posts so far.

[JarJarDrinks]

KeyNpeeles vote is bad too.

There's alot of resistance to lynching from the Key/Dave/Gamma pool.