Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

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So we meet again.

VOTE: Vedith

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Welcome PP!

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PP, are you a cop?

How do you know that there is a cop?

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TB...seriously?

Yes. Seriously. His question presumed the existence of a cop in this game and seems to be rolefishing.

If there is a cop, please do not claim.

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LOL
I get it

PP is talking about this game that I just completed with PP and Vedith.

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Town can lie though?

Yes they can lie. While I generally lynch all liars, there are instances in which it is good for the townie to lie.

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@MOD: V/LA until next Wednesday. First final exam is tomorrow. I will still be posting and will still be active during this time, but I do have a lot of work and studying to do.

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Why are you assuming that I'm intimidating when I'm not trying to intimidate? Like who pull their intimidation gun page 3?

You said you were going to park your vote, but quickly un voted.

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Hello everybody!

Hello culted. Got any reads so far?

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ThinkBig I havent' read anything yet, but so far the thread looks to be mostly shit-posting. Who do you think I should have reads on at this point?

LQ suggested that it is unlikely that Vedith and PP are the same alignment. What do you think? Also, what do you think of raeleo's "parked" vote only to quickly remove it?

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Are you an alt or have you played elsewhere?

I've recently migrated away from my shit homesite. Played a few games here a while ago and it didn't seem like my bag; but I will say the crowd here is relatively chill so far.

Do you guys get a lot of alts? Because this isn't the first time someone's accused me of this. : p

Almost all players have alts. Even I have a few alts and hydras.

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Signing off for the night. Probably won't be posting much until tomorrow evening. Night all.

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They feel off

Where's your vote at?

In what way do cheesy and I feel off? Care to elaborate?

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As for realeo let me toss a question back at you; do you think scum are more likely to contradict themselves so openly? And was there nothing to your eye that could have made his move-away from gamma come more from a town-mindset?

The first question is a definite yes. In my experience, often contradict themselves to distance from each other.

Not sure what you mean by the second question.

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I have no scum reads and 13 town reads, is that bad?

Means you need to try harder.

Vedith's post was a reaction test. I wouldn't put too much thought into his post

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But why is it a scummy contradiction?

What I'm saying is I didn't know if you took into consideration realo's interaction with gamma he had quickly while he was voting him.
It's scummy to ignore that and wave around a surface level contradiction directly complimenting it.

@Thinkbig - did you miss this

Nope. I'm phone posting and in class. Won't be able to respond to everything right away.

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VOTE: Culted

First serious vote in the game and this is not an OMGUS. Thus far he has put in minimal effort and has not explained his reads. Culted, why do you think Raeleo and I are mafia?

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But why is it a scummy contradiction?

What I'm saying is I didn't know if you took into consideration realo's interaction with gamma he had quickly while he was voting him.
It's scummy to ignore that and wave around a surface level contradiction directly complimenting it.

@Thinkbig - did you miss this

Nope. I'm phone posting and in class. Won't be able to respond to everything right away.

@Culted did you miss this?

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@Vedith, @Cheese: How is what you guys just did town?

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@Vedith, @Cheese: How is what you guys just did town?

how is it scum tho

Suggesting a speed lynch and then Vedith sheeping him may or may not be scum, but it is certainly anti-town.

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VOTE: Cheesy

I'm parking my vote here until Jester/Cheesy is able to make a case against real.

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It's not if we lynch him and he flips scum!

And if he flips town?

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So are you claiming scum then?
Cause you said your scumgame sucks

At this point, I almost want to PL you. Your play will eventually hurt town.

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The only thing you caught is your dick which you apparently like to stroke ferociously

Message reported. No need for this.

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I'm just kidding, why so stiff lol

Joking or not, your play is hurting town.

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I want to point out that Jester's behavior is eerily similar to this game in which town lost because of it.

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Ok I know you tried to be mean and make yourself feel better but you've pretty much confirmed I'm town here.

Yet another strawman.

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I don't see ThinkingBig as mafia for the moment.

How does 22 make you feel?

Oh, Snap!

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PP, are you a cop?

How do you know that there is a cop?

How do you know there is not a cop?

I don't. Vedith's question seemed spontaneous and assumed that a cop existed. Therefore, I ask how she seems to know that there's a cop.

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More than 200 posts later....this is brought up again. Why?

It looks like fake Scumhunting.

Why do you think it looks like fake scum hunting?

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Pretty sure there's lots of TvT in there.

Please explain.

Also do you have any reads so far?

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Lol @ white people trying to be black

MOD NOTE: Do not make any more posts perpetuating ethnic stereotypes, regardless of whether they are

per se

derogatory.

Eminem IS white.

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Hi, I'm Scum, lynch me.

HELLO THREAD!!! I AM SCUM!!! SHOW UP AND LYNCH THIS SCUM CLAIM, THANKS!!!

WTF????

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LQ's recent post comes as a total shock to me. Not sure if his account was hacked or what

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LQ, why the change in tone and behavior?

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How do you town read SnarkySnowman? He has only posted 4 times.

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It's a joke

What is a joke?

The Vedith is Transcend thing.

Funny. I was under the impression that Vedith is an alt of transcend.

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It's a joke

What is a joke?

The Vedith is Transcend thing.

Funny. I was under the impression that Vedith is an alt of transcend.

He is not. I've seen them play games at the same time. Alts cannot play together, for obvious reasons.

Ah thanks. The fact that they have the same exact profile picture threw me off.

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Somebody who is town reading Cheese - tell me why

TB's push is horrible

Please explain.

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@MOD: Reminder that I am v/la this week due to finals. What is the deadline?

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Had a really busy Friday / Saturday. Posting in a few hours

*Cough*

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It is sad to see Vedith and Real replace out. I am interested in seeing what their replacement will say. I am fairly confident there's a scum between the two of them.

UNVOTE: while I'm waiting for the replacements.

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There has been far too many replacements in this game. @Mod: I'll watch for page top.

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And this is the final post for page top. Mod, do your thing.

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While I'm waiting for the replacements, here are my thoughts so far:

The debacle between vedith and real does not read like scum buddies distancing. It is most likely svt or tvt. While scum buddies distance, it is hard for my to see them distancing to the point of both of them replacing out.

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While I'm waiting for the replacements, here are my thoughts so far:

The debacle between vedith and real does not read like scum buddies distancing. It is most likely svt or tvt. While scum buddies distance, it is hard for my to see them distancing to the point of both of them replacing out.

You didn't capitalize "SvT" or "TvT." You also said "my" instead of "me"

How come?

My -> me was a typo.

Is there a difference between svt/SvT and tvt/TvT? I thought they meant essentially the same thing...

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Further note: Post 707 was a phone post, so the my -> me was an autocorrect.

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No...I haven't even noticed until you brought it up. Aside from me/my, does it really change the meaning of what I was trying to write?

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Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did?

This is why I think they're not scum together. Even for the most distancing scum team, it is unlikely they would both replace out. One of them is town and the other is most likely scum.

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Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did?

This is why I think they're not scum together. Even for the most distancing scum team, it is unlikely they would both replace out. One of them is town and the other is most likely scum.

What happened to you saying that the argument could be TvT?

I said it was most likely tvt or svt

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Right, they said the argument could be either TvT or TvS, but their most recent post seems to discount the possibility of TvT.

Just based on the ISO of the two, I lean more towards svt than tvt. In the event real flips town (which I would be surprised) then the next most probable scenario is Vedith/cheesy. The interaction between cheesy and Vedith seemed like scum buddies trying to distance.

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This post and the surrounding ones don't sit well with me. I want to re read the ISO between real, vedith and cheesy once more to make sure. I'm fairly confident there's at least one scum between those three.

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My read on Cheese has switched to town.

I'm still waiting on an answer to my question to TB. Hope he comes back soon.

Just finished my last final. Will answer after work.

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Welcome Titus

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Titus, Realeo is almost confirmed scum, please comment on that

VOTE: Snowman

This is my problem with you. You have given almost no analysis throughout this game and are essentially actively lurking. If you think someone is almost confirmed scum, why didn't you place a vote on that person?

While I'm waiting for real's replacement, I want to hear more from you.

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This post and the surrounding ones don't sit well with me. I want to re read the ISO between real, vedith and cheesy once more to make sure. I'm fairly confident there's at least one scum between those three.

Why don't they sit well with you?

First, sorry for the delay in answering your question. I've been quite busy. The reason why it doesn't sit well with me is that it seems to be scum buddies distancing from each other. Post 205, Cheesy votes Real and suggests that anyone who doesn't vote for him should be PL'd (most likely a joke) and Vedith immediately sheeps him.

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They're 100% not teammates due to opportunistic vote when being replaced.

Let's talk about something worthy.

I'd like to lynch nn30 because 1) I scum read him before I even knew this game existed 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.



I would be happy voting nn30 as well. Lynching one of them gives even more info. If one flips scum, reeleo slot is town, and the other one is likely scum too!

1) How do you scum read someone before you knew this game existed?
2) Can you explain why you think that if real is town then nn30 is scum (or vice versa)?

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Eh, I'm easy to miss

Perhaps if you start giving analysis and feedback like I asked you to, you wouldn't be so easy to miss.

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Blah. Seems like I killed the game by voting LQ scum. Sorry.

No. What killed the game was the ridiculous amount of replacements that we are waiting for.

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Welcome -grey- hopefully we can get this game moving.

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He has about 1 exchange each day he posts.

Except for the sixteenth, where he made four posts in one day.

Checking his ISO, he also made 4 posts on the 11th.

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He has about 1 exchange each day he posts.

Except for the sixteenth, where he made four posts in one day.

Checking his ISO, he also made 4 posts on the 11th.

Was the Realeo wagon established on the 11th? If so, my point remains. If not, I concede it.

Not quite sure. Checking through the ISO, LQ didn't vote for Realo until the 13th.

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Welcome formerfish.

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ThinkBig, are you scumreading Cheesy?

Null leaning scum atm

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There's this great movie called Equilibrium...

LOL
I get it

I don't know if it is important that I dont understand.

It was a game that I played in with PP.

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v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

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Grey is either the best scum player or Realeo was as bad as I said.

I'm not really seeing a lot about TB these past few, pages, has it been given up on? Maybe it's best to do a no-lynch based on the low chance of landing scum.

IMO a no lynch is a bad idea. Town should lynch every day. By lynching, we are at least getting information

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I'm on the train headed home. Since I am at L2, I am going to go ahead and claim: I am the 1-shot cop.

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Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.

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Ah sorry. I misread that as much more likely.

@grey, why would you lynch me if I get an innocent result? The Mafia will just NK my innocent result barring any protective roles and leave the town without any conf!townies unless there's an IC.

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"Son, if you are an actual cop do you see yourself living through the night?"

No.

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This is from my unofficial vote count. LQ is at L-3.

LicketyQuickety: Titus, Grey, Gamma, nn30 (4/7)

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Who did formerfish replace?

He replaced aero who replaced alban.

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VOTE: Grey

This isn't OMGUS.

If you were the real cop, why did you start going after LQ after I claimed? You should have continued to go after me. After all, if you

were

the cop, then my claim should have been a scum claim to you. By not cc'ing immediately, you have shown that you're scum.

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VOTE: Grey

This isn't OMGUS.

If you were the real cop, why did you start going after LQ after I claimed? You should have continued to go after me. After all, if you

were

the cop, then my claim should have been a scum claim to you. By not cc'ing immediately, you have shown that you're scum.

Think, the answer to this should be obvious man.

Indeed. The answer is that -grey- is scum.

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Wo is FF?

FF=Formerfish. Have you been paying attention?

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2) to see if there is a third Cop claim.

Do you

really

think there's going to be a 3rd CC??

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Great. Neither Grey nor TB is baccking down. One of them is scum. I know Grey is town.

What stops you from voting? Seriously man.

I think I gave it in my second reason.

Fine, you need a third claim. I am the cop too.

You don't believe me do you? Yes conditions are right for a third claim.

Let's say there's a 3rd claim. That means that two of them are most likely scum. Why would two scums out themselves on D1?

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Come on LQ. I think big, but even I'm not naive enough to think there will be a third claim.

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Come on LQ. I think big, but even I'm not naive enough to think there will be a third claim.

Revoke your claim, you've done more harm than good.

Revoke your claim, you've done more harm than good.

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Let's get this done and over with:

VOTE: TB

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Too bad I was town. Now tomorrow, lynch the actual scum.

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Too bad I was town. Now tomorrow, lynch the actual scum.

If that's true, you are going on my avoid list for that hammer.

Why's that? Once I flip, it proves that you're scum.

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I know he doesn't show as logged in, but anyone shoot the mod a message?

I did

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jfc

who the fuck claimed cop here

I claimed first and Gerry CC'd.

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why did scum!TB claim a role that they knew could be cc'd?

Very easy to answer. If there is an IC, then cop+IC+innocent is a powerful 3-way conf!town. Scum doesn't want this and wants as few conf towns as possible.

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This was my first time playing scum.

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thanks scum!TB

I'm going to sig this.

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This was my first time playing scum.

Hey, guess what? Playing as Scum is about getting X amount of Townies lynched. Remember that.

That is true. And partially why I claimed cop. It prevents there from being too many confirmed townies.

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Think Big, the move was decent for scum. You played well. I didn't pick up on you until the claim debacle. I hope you had fun.

You and Grey are both enjoyable newbies, and likely fresh faces that will give me a run. Same with nn30.

Thanks Titus. Hope to play with you some more.

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I'd never pull the stunts I did here if I were town. If I actually was town, I'd almost recommend a PL against me

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I'd never pull the stunts I did here if I were town. If I actually was town, I'd almost recommend a PL against me

You have a decent mentor/instincts. Daychat and you would be better.

Yeah. If only we had daychat, I think I could have survived longer.

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IMO, the only person that should play to survive is the survivor and the SK.

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I was hoping to see a flip here before I had to go, but it looks like that isn't coming quickly...

I'm flipping town like I originally said I was

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Oh TB, docs and rbs in this game are silent

What do you mean by silent?

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I was hoping to see a flip here before I had to go, but it looks like that isn't coming quickly...

I'm flipping town like I originally said I was

If you tell us who your buddies are, I'll unhammer you.

For true.

My buddy is grey.

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Oh TB, docs and rbs in this game are silent

What do you mean by silent?

No one gets a message saying roleblocked.
Docs do not get a pm saying your target was healed.

I started on sc2mafia.

Ah. That I knew.

I started on debate.org. The culture there is far different than it is here.

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Oh TB, docs and rbs in this game are silent

What do you mean by silent?

No one gets a message saying roleblocked.
Docs do not get a pm saying your target was healed.

I started on sc2mafia.

Ah. That I knew.

I started on debate.org. The culture there is far different than it is here.

How so

For one, day phases last only 3 days. If this game was played there, we would be finished by now. Second, it is a small community so everyone knows everyone's play style. Once you're out of RVS, you can almost immediate know who's scum.

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FF, you should not have put him at L-1.

Why?

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Gg all. I'm surprised it came down to the final three, especially how D1 went. I think we could have done better had Gamma and culted not have tried to bus me so early. I could have done better had I claimed tracker instead of gambitting like I did.

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Thanks to toejam for vigging formerfish!

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TB, you have zero grounds to gloat, lol.

Lol. I know

LQ totally should have been killed N1. More WIFOM on D2.

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TB, you have zero grounds to gloat, lol.

Lol. I know

LQ totally should have been killed N1. More WIFOM on D2.

Precisely. Titus would have probably gotten a little paranoid about the fakeclaim living.

He may have claimed and got you lynched.