Open 660 - White Flag (Game Over)

[LicketyQuickety]

You literally cannot sit there and tell me that slot is scum based on your intel LQ. That slot should be null through and through. You can be beyond pissed that they promised content, but have failed to produce it, and still have the slot as a null. That's what I'm doing, because in the end the action in itself if NAI. I do expect good content upon the return though. Lackluster content will earn her bad marks from me, as it should for others. This is not like active lurking, where they are posting just enough to avoid suspicion. That could be applied to other members of our little town. I legit think they are busy, and have been unable to play. I mean it took me all night just to go through 4 pages of crap, and post that lil guy yesterday.

Some people have busy lives, and join games against better judgement. Then they leave w/o a word and are replaced sometimes. Some people don't take the game seriously, and blow it off. Then they get replaced when time runs out. Some people have circumstances that come up, and literally can't play. Some people are not try hards and read and comment daily, and then they get swamped. There are tons of reasons for why they haven't shown up that is not indicative to alignment. This doesn't read as scum blowing the game off in order to avoid suspicion specifically. Totally could be a factor, but it is not the only factor here that can be considered.

As I said, voting that slot is so easy for scum to do. IT IS THE SAFEST PLACE TO ACTUALLY VOTE. Twice now you have voted slots that were so easy to vote that literally would allow you to be able to pick and prod the town to see where they would jump at without putting yourself out there. Its fishy behavior, and Im not a fan of it at all.

The action itself is NOT NAI. Its Scummy for having said they would catch up that night and not delivered. If you don't want to use breaking promises (which can be classified as the same thing as having actions that don't line up with what they say) as a Scummy behavior, that is an incorrect way to play. I have caught people based on Scum not delivering on their promises Open 645 is an example of this where I caught bins for having very similar behavior. bins said they were going to ISO me. They kept saying they would do it later until saying they weren't interested in doing it anymore. They never delivered. Guess who was Scum? And news flash: active lurking is not worse than actually lurking. You are saying you think they are busy with zero basis for that. You can't say its NAI because there is not enough info there and say you think there is enough info there to say they are busy when there is no indication of that.

Inaction is never a problem solver. Ask yourself if you think you have played pro-town this game. Ask yourself

why

you are being an active player. Are you seeing the same kind of play from Cracker?

[Aubrey]

Honestly, I think meta reads are mostly shit.

From what I remember of Transcend in that game, he actually made an impact in that game. He was way more in your face as well, none of this just sitting back and not providing anything thing that we see him doing in this game.

I'll take a glance at it... I'm not very good at throughoutly examining games i don't actively partake in. I may even trudge through and glance at our recent game. From memory, I'm not seeing much difference.

[Aubrey]

Thanks btw for providing it again instead of making me go and seek it out.

[Transcend]

Oh.

I have 3 votes.

[Aubrey]

If I were a day killing Vigilante, I'd shoot Lethargy.

[Aubrey]

Skimmed a few pages, then ISO'd Transcend. Hard to read much about him since he was a power-role, and obviously would want to deepen his reads and try to actively not die as much as a vanilla townie from the town. Then he dropped out.

Here is open 658. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68953

[Aubrey]

Is Chilled going to get prodded soon?

[Aubrey]

Lethargy and Deer as well. They gonna get prodded soon?

[LicketyQuickety]

Skimmed a few pages, then ISO'd Transcend. Hard to read much about him since he was a power-role, and obviously would want to deepen his reads and try to actively not die as much as a vanilla townie from the town. Then he dropped out.

Here is open 658. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68953

Someone has been doing home work I see.

[Aubrey]

This game really isnt that enjoyable right now. I was so looking forward to it.

[Toto]

Yep. Same feeling here. Why would you shoot Lethargy though?

[Aubrey]

Why not. They aren't worth a whole lot. I mean damn, two players control the slot and barely do anything.

[Aubrey]

Skimmed a few pages, then ISO'd Transcend. Hard to read much about him since he was a power-role, and obviously would want to deepen his reads and try to actively not die as much as a vanilla townie from the town. Then he dropped out.

Here is open 658. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68953

I worded this weird. I meant to say he wouldn't want to die as much from the town or mafia as a power role in comparison to that of a vanilla townie role while gathering deeper reads since he was a 1 shot cop in LQ's game.

[alban]

Scumhunting is not working in this game.
Let's start with townreads.
Aubrey is being townread universally. Why?
LQ, Transcend, Toto and Keyen have been especially confident in their townreads of Aubrey.
Would like everyone, especially these 4, to list their reasons for their reads on Aubrey.
I find him null. Everything he has done is NAI. If you think otherwise, feel free to contradict.

[alban]

On Transcend.
I have 1 finished game with him and 1-2 unfinished ones.
He is playing just the same.
Hence the townlean on him.
However, must admit that he is so brief in his comments, that it's easier to maintain your facade of either alignment. Hence, the townlean is very very slight.

[LicketyQuickety]

In a world gone awry, its the unassuming who survive.

[alban]

These have been the broad two thoughts.
On everyone else, I will now start reading last 15 pages.
Everything before that is probably immaterial.
Whoever thinks they are struggling with their reads, should probably do that same to get a perspective. Especially the inactive slots. I can defend you only so much. And I must admit, slots of Lethargy, ScumDeers, Chilled, Keyen, ssbm, Cracker, Dave and Toto to some extent - you guys have been way less involved. That's half the number of players. Show some bloody involvement.

[alban]

In a world gone awry, its the unassuming who survive.

Elaborate please.

[Toto]

Aubrey is the one that is showing most effort to gamesolve and it looks genuine to me. If she is scum she is a really good one.

[alban]

Is that an overall impression or do you have particular posts in mind?
imo, he is directing suspicion in all possible directions. And has both null as well as town things to say about every player. He is also pushing the absent slots, which I don't understand. While that's not particularly scummy, I don't understand her playing style.
So explain why he is 'showing most effort to gamesolve'.

[Transcend]

On Transcend.
I have 1 finished game with him and 1-2 unfinished ones.
He is playing just the same.
Hence the townlean on him.
However, must admit that he is so brief in his comments, that it's easier to maintain your facade of either alignment. Hence, the townlean is very very slight.

I was scum in our completed game.

Are you sure I'm town?

[alban]

Also, I will be judging you 4 from your reads on Aubrey. So make it more specific.
Scum find it easy to declare one or a few players as conf!town imo.

[Toto]

That has been my overall impression but can probably point at a few posts that I've liked.

[alban]

On Transcend.
I have 1 finished game with him and 1-2 unfinished ones.
He is playing just the same.
Hence the townlean on him.
However, must admit that he is so brief in his comments, that it's easier to maintain your facade of either alignment. Hence, the townlean is very very slight.

I was scum in our completed game.

Are you sure I'm town?

You have so few words to type that it all seems the same to me.
I cannot distinguish between the scum and town you atm.
No, I am not sure about you being town.
I had forgotten that you were scum in our last game. Of course. You were the Ice goon. I am checking it.

[Transcend]

I was super tryhard that game but that's bc i really got in to it. I'm not extremely in to this game.