Open 660 - White Flag (Game Over)

[chilledtea]

He still has his vote on alban from what the vc tells me, which is a waste of a vote at this point since I don't see him getting lynched.

[Aubrey]

Don'tcha remember. He's going to sheep Transcend due to rep.

[Aubrey]

Also before Transcend shortens what little of a fuse I have left, why do you townread him?

[chilledtea]

It isn't that I town read him, as much as I haven't yet seen much reason to scum read him. He does play like this as town, he is very reckless. I remember him playing a newbie with me and he got lynched on day 1 - he generally has good reads though.

Problem is, scum transcend is actually very good. But making silly jokes, and jumping around is something town transcend does seem to do.

[chilledtea]

Also, if ssbm is serious about sheeping transcend, then I think we can lynch ssbm today, yes. Transcend isn't confirmed town and he is human so is capable of making mistakes.

[Aubrey]

So you and I do see things similarly then.

[keyenpeydee]

VOTE: Ssbm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like I originally said I'll probably sheep transcend by deadline if my reread doesn't dig anything up. I'm planning on doing my dig after work tonight. Just because others who are null reads to me don't see my top SR getting lynched does not mean I will unvote them. If I had strong townreads on several people who all were saying alban is town and I'm wrong I would consider unvoting until I dug through the game. There has been such a lack of activity in this game by so many slots that it is difficult to establish reads with any real value to them, because not everyone is interacting with one another. Without first doing my deep note-taking I'd say LQ is my only TR.

I think alban is scum. If alban is scum, Transcend is scum with him. Transcend is a likely target for a NK if he's town though, so I don't see any merit in lynching Transcend before alban, since he is only conditionally scum with alban imo. Transcend, as town, has good reads. This is why I would be willing to sheep him by the deadline. I want to take a close look at toto during my reread tonight though, since he seems to be pinging people and Transcend has FoSed him this game.

[Transcend]

VOTE: ssbm

[chilledtea]

VOTE : ssbm_Kyouko

"I have a scum read on alban. If alban is scum, then transcend is scum. If transcend is town however, he will be nkd. BTW I am going to sheep transcend bcoz he tends to have good reads."

If you are town this is the most ridiculous line of thought ever. Sheeping someone who is your possible scum read is just ridiculous.

[Transcend]

I'm actually really okay with where this is going

[Transcend]

Like I'll be honest wanting to sheep me when I've had the least substantial posts next to the crackerslot looks like a scum pocket attempt.

[Aubrey]

......

VOTE: SSBM

Either this is scum, or town who just made himself great lynchbait.

[Transcend]

Finally a wagon i feel really comfortable on

We did it Aubrey we LYNCHED SCUM

...

TOGETHER!!!!

[Transcend]

My top two town reads that are sane and a (no pun intended) chill guy who i think is very level headed all board this vote.

[Gamma Emerald]

man people have no idea how to read me

it's great

because i've played this way as scum before

This post is definitely sketchy

Re-voting.

VOTE: Ssbm

eeeww

[alban]

Read last 5 pages.

Spoiler:

I feel this game is not going anywhere without more people involved.

My town read on key went stale. I think he is a good player but he is not putting too much thought or effort in this game. Given the game state is probably NAI but it is not helping either.

From the less active players I like chill the most.

I'n on vla for next 2 days.

UNVOTE:

Toto, on one hand, you are saying you want to take the game fwd. On the other hand, you are saying anything is possible, and people could be either town or scum (as if there's a third possibility). And finally, you are unvoting.
Either this or that or the whole universe kinda posts are sketchy.

Spoiler:

Sheeping Transcend as in voting for the player you're voting for, since I'm not sure if you're scum, even though this is the most suspicious I've been of you since you mislynched me in 1850 (and I was wrong about you that time)

Like I originally said I'll probably sheep transcend by deadline if my reread doesn't dig anything up. I'm planning on doing my dig after work tonight. Just because others who are null reads to me don't see my top SR getting lynched does not mean I will unvote them. If I had strong townreads on several people who all were saying alban is town and I'm wrong I would consider unvoting until I dug through the game. There has been such a lack of activity in this game by so many slots that it is difficult to establish reads with any real value to them, because not everyone is interacting with one another. Without first doing my deep note-taking I'd say LQ is my only TR.

I think alban is scum. If alban is scum, Transcend is scum with him. Transcend is a likely target for a NK if he's town though, so I don't see any merit in lynching Transcend before alban, since he is only conditionally scum with alban imo. Transcend, as town, has good reads. This is why I would be willing to sheep him by the deadline. I want to take a close look at toto during my reread tonight though, since he seems to be pinging people and Transcend has FoSed him this game.

He still has his vote on alban from what the vc tells me, which is a waste of a vote at this point since I don't see him getting lynched.

This is all warped logic, but not scummy.
Openly admitting that he has no reads is townie.
Not gonna vote for ssbm.

Spoiler:

I feel like a lot of all the conversations that are happening are happening with town themselves and scum are just hiding amongst lurkers.

My scum read on lethargy is very big and while alban might think that we don't get information from their lynch, we will get info from NK regardless and there is a great chance of getting a scum catch from it.

Also after all this I am still null-ish on ssbm - I haven't a read on him. Key was a town read earlier on during his interactions with, I think aubrey???

I am also fine with a gamma lynch but it is sad that there is little information on cracker, deer, who have basically done nothing. Deer's initial post was definitely scummy as someone else pointed it out.

Lynching LQ would be very bad for the game state if he is town, whereas if he is scum we can take care of it later on as well. At the moment I don't see the scum-LQ angle.

Transcend is being transcend I rather not lynch him for being silly. I don't think he is scum.

We will get info from NK regardless of whom we kill. My suggestion will be to let the replacements come in. Maybe they will do a good job.
Agree with you on LQ, Gamma and Transcend.
What are your views on Aubrey?

[Gamma Emerald]

@alban: I think I'm coming around on keyen. His last two posts aren't very good.

[chilledtea]

alban, I think aubrey is town. I feel his contributions to this game as very honest, although in the beginning he pinged me a bit but it was minor compared to his play overall.

I have been thinking a lot about that ssbm post. I want to see him reply and converse more before he is lynched. At the moment there are 4 votes on him, 7 needed to lynch. Don't lynch him before he gets a chance to respond.

[Transcend]

Fair

[keyenpeydee]

@alban

still scum reading me?

[keyenpeydee]

man people have no idea how to read me

it's great

because i've played this way as scum before

This post is definitely sketchy

Re-voting.

VOTE: Ssbm

eeeww

That post I made about re-voting Transcend is actually me trying to think if i'll vote for him. But ssbm is really sketchy.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'll prolly sheep Transcend by deadline on reputation alone tbh but I will do a focused reread tomorrow, hosting a dank melee tournament at my house tonight so I'll be off.

Sheeping Transcend as in voting for the player you're voting for, since I'm not sure if you're scum, even though this is the most suspicious I've been of you since you mislynched me in 1850 (and I was wrong about you that time)

Like I originally said I'll probably sheep transcend by deadline if my reread doesn't dig anything up. I'm planning on doing my dig after work tonight. Just because others who are null reads to me don't see my top SR getting lynched does not mean I will unvote them. If I had strong townreads on several people who all were saying alban is town and I'm wrong I would consider unvoting until I dug through the game. There has been such a lack of activity in this game by so many slots that it is difficult to establish reads with any real value to them, because not everyone is interacting with one another. Without first doing my deep note-taking I'd say LQ is my only TR.

I think alban is scum. If alban is scum, Transcend is scum with him. Transcend is a likely target for a NK if he's town though, so I don't see any merit in lynching Transcend before alban, since he is only conditionally scum with alban imo. Transcend, as town, has good reads. This is why I would be willing to sheep him by the deadline. I want to take a close look at toto during my reread tonight though, since he seems to be pinging people and Transcend has FoSed him this game.

Kk so here's the sheep posts. Transcend is a hard player to read through what he posts, because it looks the same whether he is town or scum. This is why I always try to find out if Transcend is scum based on how other players interact with him, and based on

who

he TRs and SRs. He rarely explains

why

he TRs or SRs people, and when he does, it's usually vague. Transcend has a reputation for being a skilled player as both alignments. Skilled at catching scum as town, and skilled at not getting lynched as scum.
I began developing a scumread on alban for how hard he was pushing keyen, partly because I know that keyen is a player that is easy to push. The way alban reacted to that quick wagon with LQ and Transcend voting and unvoting in succession made him look scummier and I thought that one of LQ or Transcend would be scum with him. Talking it over with LQ after helped me reshape that opinion; I now think it is possible that if alban is scum that one or the other of LQ and Transcend is scum with him, but it is not necessary that they are partners. I still think that a scum!alban flip makes Transcend look very suspicious, but I don't have other serious SRs yet this game. There are a lot of players I'm not comfortable giving a read on due to lack of interactions with several players and low activity in general. In 860 I admitted that "this is the most suspicious I've been of you since you mislynched me in 1850 (and I was wrong about you that time)." Last time I suspected Transcend and he suspected me, we were both wrong about each other. This is why I am willing to give pause and trust in his read to sheep if I can't find a good suspect in a reread.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE : ssbm_Kyouko

"I have a scum read on alban. If alban is scum, then transcend is scum. If transcend is town however, he will be nkd. BTW I am going to sheep transcend bcoz he tends to have good reads."

If you are town this is the most ridiculous line of thought ever. Sheeping someone who is your possible scum read is just ridiculous.

I don't think you're following what I'm saying. Transcend is only associatively scum if alban turns out to be scum. Until I know that alban is scum I'm not going to vote Transcend unless: 1) he or another player make other associative tells to lead me to believe he is scum with that player, and 2) that player is revealed by flip to be scum. I would of course vote him if I felt like he was openly scumtelling but his town play looks scummy which is why I don't judge him on his words alone, but on how others interact with him.

[Transcend]

How do you know about my (relatively decent) reputation btw.