STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Okay

I doubt there are 7 scum in a 25 player game. Guess its possible but unlikely.Second you are assuming Shiro is scum with no hard evidence. It fits you case so you use it even if it be proven. Without a flip or a confession its not a sure ting Thirdly Far is a third townly friendly given the varies evidence pointing in that direction....shooting her would be pointless. Plus I prob could not kill her given her ability . The best way to eliminate her from the game would be lynching which I do not approve of. Thirdly I shot Fire.....I out and out claimed it the next day Nobody else claimed it. There is zero evidence that Fire was killed by anyone or anything else except me.

I

am the vig

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Everything you pretty much said last post was pure speculation. In the realm of falling into bad FuzzyLogic speculation . I know all about bad speculation and theories......
I am not throwing shade at all.....I am using POE and going down the list of possible players who might be scum.

There is zero reason not to lynch sure scum at this point, Keeping him alive is dangerous to the town. Giving sure scum more time to live is bad towning, Continuing to defend confscum is at best antitown and at worst scummy as all get out,

[Randomnamechange]

hey if you want to lynch me.... lynch me tomorrow/ We have a confess scum that needs to die.

I would not say my play is scummy just a bit erratic ....but everything seems different when you are looking from your own eyes as opposed to someone else.

As I said it doesn't matter who I vig ....the plan being we lynch Shadow. If the game does not end we have one scum left. I vig from the list. If I hit game over ..... if not we lynch tomorrow and that's should be game.

I think far is the best vig shot here.

TFL looks really scummy right now. They are still trying to swing as many potential vig shots for themselves as possible.

I'd like to emphasize on this statement. Scum!TFL could NOT have shot anyone last night because of the ongoing event. I would lynch him over conf.Scum!Shadow at this point (and I DO have a reason for it too).

OK, I'll lay my cards:

TFL is currently allied with me (and RR), and the actions of whoever allies with me on the Finale .. CANNOT FAIL. (That's why I wanted to ally with Mastina, btw.. so that her check could not be redirected or blocked in anyway).

So, while Shadow IS confirmed Scum, TFL will have a GUARANTEED SHOT tonight. (Note that the event's effect ends by today's Exposition, so the Scum kill is not prevented by it anymore on the Climax, while the effect from the alliance with me guarantees the shot WILL go through).

As for Shadow's trolling, I believe he was talking to "someone" on the 2nd one (the "the longer grapes lives .. bla bla"), and that someone certainly is NOT Shiro (because Shiro is bubbled so should have no access to any other PT's, which is proven by his PT with me still being locked btw).

So, I propose we lynch TFL today and the Gems can always bubble Shadow tonight to make sure he doesn't kill either. If a kill still occurs then we know there's an additional scum left. If not, then the game should be over (as per MOI's statement of his bubbled target counting as a death for as long as they are bubbled).

If I'm not being clear enough, please ask specific questions for me to be able to respond in a way that makes my thoughts perfectly clear to you.

VOTE: TFL

this is actually a really good point. I should have seen that -_-

Buying time?
Mechanically I agree that he looks town, but his posting has been incredibly scummy.

I beg to differ here. Otherwise, what was the point from activating that event (I trust either you or MOI activated it, and I trust it was for an elaborate reason).

I can confirm what A50 is saying. I also reject in totality the bullshit Grapes is peddling. We never suggested to anyone that TFL shoot Grapes. The plan was always for us to use our hammer ability on Farside today (assuming we could get you guys to realize that she's 3rd party and in a Varsoon game there is precedent for that to be a solo win alone condition) and to point Fuzzy at Shadow.

I believe Random can confirm that was our plan and that our reasoning for doing it that way is sound.

~Drixx

P.S. - First post by me today grapes. Not sure what you were going on about me earlier for but I've been sick as heck and went to bed before day started and just got up an hour ago.

P-Edit: We didn't pick up on it because she was only given a one shot of it and used it already.

Yep can confirm.

Umm. there's no general rule in the game saying that all one shot abilities get refunded at the finale, so I would assume it's role based...and there's nothing about the beach-a-palooza reward that indicates that power would be refunded at the finale.

And, well. I mean sure, I guess he could be a scum!notvig and scum just used some other method to kill FB and he decided to claim that kill...which is why we lynch shadow, and leash fuzzy's shot(which should be at farside because if town loses this game, it WILL be to weird third party shit).

-Cerb

Could an option be to lynch far, tfl vigs shadow then we lynch tfl? I'm 95% sure that will end the game. If not we still will have enough people left for at least one more lynch (probs on almost)
I agree that shadow is most likely to flip scum, but the fact that he wants to be lynched still makes it suspicious to me. I'm not sure that when we have extra phases in the bag we should not go for optimum strategy.

[MagnaofIllusion]

NO WE ARE LYNCHING SHADOW PERIOD.

[farside22]

@far:

Did you read the part about BUBBLING Shadow? Did you take note of the fact MoI CONFIRMED WITH VARSOoN that a bubbled player counts as DEAD regarding the Town condition? More to it, if TFL & Shadow ARE the last 2 scums we win instantly TONIGHT! If -by ANY chance; which in mind is a ZERO chance- TFL flips Town, then Shadow will STILL BE REMOVED FORM THE GAME, meaning he can't shoot/harm anyone.

Now with both Shiro and Shadow bubbled, we either:

1- win = Game ends with a Town Win
2- Have another NK, confirming there IS one scum left outside of Shiro/Shadow
3- Have no NK, but the game still continues = lynch Shadow tomorrow.

It'd be a win-win situation for the town. I don't see what your problem is with this plan. I can certainly see what TFL's problem is because he IS CONFIRMED SCUM, but -unless you do NOT win with Town- I can't understand why you're jumping in to support an obvious scum kill tonight.

This doesn't explain why you want to lynch a hypothetical scum vs confirmed scum.

Between you and rr trying to setup paranoia I can't see anything else gained from your point.

Also I will say this if tfl decides to shot me, when I flip town lynch rr for telling town to kill now confirmed town player that is not scum and have him explain why he continued to try to lynch confirm town and shot confirm town based on hypothetical crap.
Please.
Since he has yet to explain why shooting not confirmed scum is a good idea other then fear mongering.
Thank you

[farside22]

hey if you want to lynch me.... lynch me tomorrow/ We have a confess scum that needs to die.

I would not say my play is scummy just a bit erratic ....but everything seems different when you are looking from your own eyes as opposed to someone else.

As I said it doesn't matter who I vig ....the plan being we lynch Shadow. If the game does not end we have one scum left. I vig from the list. If I hit game over ..... if not we lynch tomorrow and that's should be game.

I think far is the best vig shot here.

TFL looks really scummy right now. They are still trying to swing as many potential vig shots for themselves as possible.

I'd like to emphasize on this statement. Scum!TFL could NOT have shot anyone last night because of the ongoing event. I would lynch him over conf.Scum!Shadow at this point (and I DO have a reason for it too).

OK, I'll lay my cards:

TFL is currently allied with me (and RR), and the actions of whoever allies with me on the Finale .. CANNOT FAIL. (That's why I wanted to ally with Mastina, btw.. so that her check could not be redirected or blocked in anyway).

So, while Shadow IS confirmed Scum, TFL will have a GUARANTEED SHOT tonight. (Note that the event's effect ends by today's Exposition, so the Scum kill is not prevented by it anymore on the Climax, while the effect from the alliance with me guarantees the shot WILL go through).

As for Shadow's trolling, I believe he was talking to "someone" on the 2nd one (the "the longer grapes lives .. bla bla"), and that someone certainly is NOT Shiro (because Shiro is bubbled so should have no access to any other PT's, which is proven by his PT with me still being locked btw).

So, I propose we lynch TFL today and the Gems can always bubble Shadow tonight to make sure he doesn't kill either. If a kill still occurs then we know there's an additional scum left. If not, then the game should be over (as per MOI's statement of his bubbled target counting as a death for as long as they are bubbled).

If I'm not being clear enough, please ask specific questions for me to be able to respond in a way that makes my thoughts perfectly clear to you.

VOTE: TFL

this is actually a really good point. I should have seen that -_-

Buying time?
Mechanically I agree that he looks town, but his posting has been incredibly scummy.

I beg to differ here. Otherwise, what was the point from activating that event (I trust either you or MOI activated it, and I trust it was for an elaborate reason).

I can confirm what A50 is saying. I also reject in totality the bullshit Grapes is peddling. We never suggested to anyone that TFL shoot Grapes. The plan was always for us to use our hammer ability on Farside today (assuming we could get you guys to realize that she's 3rd party and in a Varsoon game there is precedent for that to be a solo win alone condition) and to point Fuzzy at Shadow.

I believe Random can confirm that was our plan and that our reasoning for doing it that way is sound.

~Drixx

P.S. - First post by me today grapes. Not sure what you were going on about me earlier for but I've been sick as heck and went to bed before day started and just got up an hour ago.

P-Edit: We didn't pick up on it because she was only given a one shot of it and used it already.

Yep can confirm.

Umm. there's no general rule in the game saying that all one shot abilities get refunded at the finale, so I would assume it's role based...and there's nothing about the beach-a-palooza reward that indicates that power would be refunded at the finale.

And, well. I mean sure, I guess he could be a scum!notvig and scum just used some other method to kill FB and he decided to claim that kill...which is why we lynch shadow, and leash fuzzy's shot(which should be at farside because if town loses this game, it WILL be to weird third party shit).

-Cerb

Could an option be to lynch far, tfl vigs shadow then we lynch tfl? I'm 95% sure that will end the game. If not we still will have enough people left for at least one more lynch (probs on almost)
I agree that shadow is most likely to flip scum, but the fact that he wants to be lynched still makes it suspicious to me. I'm not sure that when we have extra phases in the bag we should not go for optimum strategy.

You are worse then the rest.
Why the fuck do you think there was no kill the day I found out I can't be shot at?
Please explain how that fucking makes sense in any way, shape or form.
If you think scum used it to put me in some great position why the fuck would they given they fucking lost a shot the night before.
Please tell me the common fucking sense.

[farside22]

Shadow is scum, and will get the rope. period end of story. Stop trying to save scum.

Alliances please !!!!

Can't argue against my case, so uses the desperate move of asserting his bus on a p. Noted.

That wasn't a case.
It's hypothetically shit post.
Here let's use an example.
A50 claims he isn't scum but he asked people in the joy ride to not vote cakez.
He was probably saving his scum buddy day 1 and has done shit all in trying to solve the game.
You can see how he's positioning to save shadow to be lynched yet he thinks tfl will shot shadow all while calling them scum together?
That makes zip sense.
Why would anyone believe scum would shot scum buddy number 1, scum would have 2 Kill abilities to use during the night and 2 why not lynch confirmed scum and if tfl doesn't shot who everyone agrees tonight is then confirm scum.
Instead a50 is spinning a tale to save shadow since scum are down with those that are confirmed town.

[MagnaofIllusion]

A few minutes at a keyboard so I want to clearly explain why Almost's posting is at best very very bad and also reasonable as Shadow partner trying a Hail Mary.

Shadow has claimed scum directly. No ifs, ands, or buts. You do not lynch someone else besides the claimed scum today. Period. The fact that Almost is trying to spin some sort of "3 scum left" scenario to justify not lynching the scum in hand after Fuzzy has indicated he'd likely shoot Almost over RR is suspect. The attempts to cast doubt on whether Fuzzy shot Fire is also very very scummy. If anyone else was the source of that kill they would have counter-claimed long ago. None of the gems past or present made that shot. And none of the Town who has flipped has shown a Vig ability.

Shadow is the lynch today. If the game doesn't actually end with his lynch odds are overwhelming that Shiro is Town and will be unbubbled. Fuzzy shoots amoung Almost / RR / Grapes ( I overwhelmingly suggest Almost at this point given his reaction ).

Again - I'm Allying with Random tonight. The remaining Alliances need to be worked out before Shadow is hammered.

--

Note to myself - go back to look at the Creature versus TWIE day to look at the wagons.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also for kicks check out Shadow's posting history. He is active all over site but not here. Clearly scum hoping that if he just shuts up maybe someone will stick their foot in their mouth and he might escape rope.

Or that a partner might save him today.

[Shadow_step]

Go back to your vla asshole

[Shadow_step]

That was a reaction test ffs

[Randomnamechange]

hey if you want to lynch me.... lynch me tomorrow/ We have a confess scum that needs to die.

I would not say my play is scummy just a bit erratic ....but everything seems different when you are looking from your own eyes as opposed to someone else.

As I said it doesn't matter who I vig ....the plan being we lynch Shadow. If the game does not end we have one scum left. I vig from the list. If I hit game over ..... if not we lynch tomorrow and that's should be game.

I think far is the best vig shot here.

TFL looks really scummy right now. They are still trying to swing as many potential vig shots for themselves as possible.

I'd like to emphasize on this statement. Scum!TFL could NOT have shot anyone last night because of the ongoing event. I would lynch him over conf.Scum!Shadow at this point (and I DO have a reason for it too).

OK, I'll lay my cards:

TFL is currently allied with me (and RR), and the actions of whoever allies with me on the Finale .. CANNOT FAIL. (That's why I wanted to ally with Mastina, btw.. so that her check could not be redirected or blocked in anyway).

So, while Shadow IS confirmed Scum, TFL will have a GUARANTEED SHOT tonight. (Note that the event's effect ends by today's Exposition, so the Scum kill is not prevented by it anymore on the Climax, while the effect from the alliance with me guarantees the shot WILL go through).

As for Shadow's trolling, I believe he was talking to "someone" on the 2nd one (the "the longer grapes lives .. bla bla"), and that someone certainly is NOT Shiro (because Shiro is bubbled so should have no access to any other PT's, which is proven by his PT with me still being locked btw).

So, I propose we lynch TFL today and the Gems can always bubble Shadow tonight to make sure he doesn't kill either. If a kill still occurs then we know there's an additional scum left. If not, then the game should be over (as per MOI's statement of his bubbled target counting as a death for as long as they are bubbled).

If I'm not being clear enough, please ask specific questions for me to be able to respond in a way that makes my thoughts perfectly clear to you.

VOTE: TFL

this is actually a really good point. I should have seen that -_-

Buying time?
Mechanically I agree that he looks town, but his posting has been incredibly scummy.

I beg to differ here. Otherwise, what was the point from activating that event (I trust either you or MOI activated it, and I trust it was for an elaborate reason).

I can confirm what A50 is saying. I also reject in totality the bullshit Grapes is peddling. We never suggested to anyone that TFL shoot Grapes. The plan was always for us to use our hammer ability on Farside today (assuming we could get you guys to realize that she's 3rd party and in a Varsoon game there is precedent for that to be a solo win alone condition) and to point Fuzzy at Shadow.

I believe Random can confirm that was our plan and that our reasoning for doing it that way is sound.

~Drixx

P.S. - First post by me today grapes. Not sure what you were going on about me earlier for but I've been sick as heck and went to bed before day started and just got up an hour ago.

P-Edit: We didn't pick up on it because she was only given a one shot of it and used it already.

Yep can confirm.

Umm. there's no general rule in the game saying that all one shot abilities get refunded at the finale, so I would assume it's role based...and there's nothing about the beach-a-palooza reward that indicates that power would be refunded at the finale.

And, well. I mean sure, I guess he could be a scum!notvig and scum just used some other method to kill FB and he decided to claim that kill...which is why we lynch shadow, and leash fuzzy's shot(which should be at farside because if town loses this game, it WILL be to weird third party shit).

-Cerb

Could an option be to lynch far, tfl vigs shadow then we lynch tfl? I'm 95% sure that will end the game. If not we still will have enough people left for at least one more lynch (probs on almost)
I agree that shadow is most likely to flip scum, but the fact that he wants to be lynched still makes it suspicious to me. I'm not sure that when we have extra phases in the bag we should not go for optimum strategy.

You are worse then the rest.
Why the fuck do you think there was no kill the day I found out I can't be shot at?
Please explain how that fucking makes sense in any way, shape or form.
If you think scum used it to put me in some great position why the fuck would they given they fucking lost a shot the night before.
Please tell me the common fucking sense.

better safe than sorry.
lynch shadow - tfl vigs almost - lynch - tfl - kill farside should end the game 100%.

[Almost50]

Okay

I doubt there are 7 scum in a 25 player game. Guess its possible but unlikely.Second you are assuming Shiro is scum with no hard evidence. It fits you case so you use it even if it be proven. Without a flip or a confession its not a sure ting Thirdly Far is a third townly friendly given the varies evidence pointing in that direction....shooting her would be pointless. Plus I prob could not kill her given her ability . The best way to eliminate her from the game would be lynching which I do not approve of. Thirdly I shot Fire.....I out and out claimed it the next day Nobody else claimed it. There is zero evidence that Fire was killed by anyone or anything else except me.

I

am the vig

Ok, now you're REALLY starting to piss me off. I -in no way, shape or form- asserted Shiro was scum or tried to use that as a fact.

We lynched Cakez, DGB and TWIE. We also had Sky flipping dead. That's FOUR FLIPPED SCUM ALREADY, and with a CONFESSED SCUM IN SHADOW that makes it FIVE SCUM CAUGHT. Now I'm arguing that YOU are one, and -if we have a 7th- then SHIRO CERTAINLY ISN'T IT, because Shadow was talking to someone ELSE is the PT, and that WOULD NOT BE SHIRO who is currently bubbled, so I'm suggesting it's FARSIDE, who IS INCAPABLE OF CARRYING OUT THE SCUM FACTIONAL KILL ("maybe" unless she's the last one alive).

GOT IT YET? OR ARE YOU PERSISTENT in acting stupid on purpose? Cuz I won't believe for a moment that someone who REALLY IS this stupid is playing this game, so I deduce that it's an act.

[Almost50]

Plus I prob could not kill her given her ability

So, why won't you friggin' ask the MOD?

[Almost50]

Could an option be to lynch far, tfl vigs shadow then we lynch tfl? I'm 95% sure that will end the game. If not we still will have enough people left for at least one more lynch (probs on almost)

I will endorse that course too. At least it will leave no doubt in anyone's mind about TFL if Shadow doesn't die tonight when the ROLEBlOCKER has already been lynched.

[Almost50]

NO WE ARE LYNCHING SHADOW PERIOD.

Fine by me. Now that I've made it well known what I think and gave you all a full picture of what I think is the best course of action I can do whatever you want and blame it on you if it ever fails.

Now who wants to ally with me next if I'm still alive by tomorrow and given that we are lynching scum so the stress is getting even lower?

Once I know whom to submit as an ally I'll switch to Shadow.

[Almost50]

This doesn't explain why you want to lynch a hypothetical scum vs confirmed scum.

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[Almost50]

Since he has yet to explain why shooting not confirmed scum is a good idea other then fear mongering.

THIS directly goes against what YOU have been advocating.

You see, neither am I nor are RR "confirmed scum" either, but you're alright with him living and shooting either of us.

Contradictions contradictions. Scum caught are being desperate to the limit, bu the town is so adamant to throw away a game we already have in hand.

[Almost50]

scum would have 2 Kill abilities to use during the night

I invite everybody to reread THIS "revelation" twice. "SCUM would have 2 kill abilities during the night". TFL is a SCUM VIG, and farside is a scum-team member. Thank you very much!

TFL + farside + Shadow ARE ALL SCUM. We are 6 Townies (Shiro IS TOWN). We lynch Shadow today = 6 vs 2

Shiro stays bubbled or get executed "for the wrong reasons" = 5 vs 2

2 Scum NKs = 3 vs 2, and the 3 remaining are 2 Gems + Mastina = SCUM WIN.

[Almost50]

I'll repeat: The remaining EARTH aligned players are myself, Shiro and RR. We get eliminated by the end of TONIGHT and SCUM WIN INSTATNLY!

[Almost50]

Fuzzy shoots amoung Almost / RR / Grapes

I forgot grapes! Yes, grapes is also Earth-aligned.

@MoI:

What part of YOU BUBBLE SHADOW did you not get? OK, which part of LYNCH farside and leash TFL to shoot Shadow AND ONLY SHADOW do you fail to understand? What part of FARSIDE'S declaration that SCUM WILL HAVE 2 KILLS TONIGHT did you miss??

[Almost50]

OK, so I will stick with random's plan then. At least he seems to understand the general gist.

So, we lynch Shadow and TFL shoots me, leaving 2 scums in 7 players (assuming Shiro doesn't get released). Sill should be safe enough for the town to secure a win,

if you don't go for RR over either of TFL or farside.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I really don't get why you think it is better to use other resources aside from the lynch to take care of scum Almost.

I mean whatever scenario you spin today fact remains that lynching scum who have gone Surrender Cobra in thread is the only logical course of action. Any other resources you think should be used to neutralize him overnight instead are better put to getting other possible scum.

This isn't a hard call and that you pretend it is makes me really doubt you are Town.

Also you keep forgetting Mastin in these crackpot OMG Town loses tonight posts.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also maybe think about explaining where the scum kill went the only reason that explains the lack of kill is scum targeted farside if farside is scum.

That would be great ...

[Varsoon]