STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[farside22]

@Farside: Can you get varsoon to clarify if whatever you used to check him let's you know if someone gets passive benefits (like the bp of SCs role or the immunity to their allies actions of Titus' role) of if it tells you if it enables access to a power, OR both?

Because like he said, we've had our pt around ever since the season finale, so it seems most likely that you're misunderstanding your result(or I guess thar he's scum and has a teammate who used this power to make our pt permanent). Did you say when you received this result?

-Cerb

Not specifically but I'm aware that titus could not be killed by those in an alliance with her. My ability checked all 3 of you that night.

All I get is player has no alliance ability or I'm told if they have an alliance ability.
Ie: can only be triggered while in an alliance

Wait, so your power told you that titus couldn't be killed by those allied with her, but only returns whether or not someone has an alliance ability? Can you ask Varsoon if someone has a power they can use anytime, but which only affects allies and is thus useless when one isn't in an alliance, would show up? I'm trying to reconcile the result you have with my belief that a scum team with Shiro on it seems very unlikely to have tried to kill MoI, and the fact that the pt was indeed extended.

-Cerb

I can ask but I'm pretty sure the response will be no.

If so, why did Shiro say he didn't do anything because he wasn't in an alliance?

[farside22]

Hmmm I'm rereading shiro's comment.

I need to find that chart of alliances done for day 3.

Moi: during Climax I can find out if a player gets any alliance bonus and I know who they are allied with.
I targetted rr, but because it was the season finale I got all 3 players info that night.
Rr saying he got no bonus is true.

[farside22]

An ability in the game has confirmed that Farside22 is NOT in a Masonry with Firebringer.
The Stress has increased by 1, towards 'Tragic Destiny'. The current stress is +1.

This. I notice it doesn't say it's an event though, so maybe not? IF so, all events have been claimed I believe.

-Cerb

That's not an event.
That was me. I got points for doing that.

Claimed Events

–

Creature – “Rising Tides, Crashing Skies”
RR – None left
Kraska – ???
Shadow – None
Almost50 - ???
Grapes - ???
Shiro – “Well,whatever you are don't be a stranger.”
Farside22 – “Cool Down Lap”
Fuzzylogic - “Are You In there Steven”

@farside

– Can you explain a little more in depth what your “check” entails? Thanks.

--

I need to be in an alliance to use my vig ability.... I think I was blocked bc someone prob thought I might kill the wrong person,,,,,,,

Remind me again of the details of your Vig and if you have used it prior to now. Thanks!

If you need more then the what I wrote for the event let me know. As I said it was a lot longer.

Who DGB allied with during Beach-a-palooza event?

Twie

[farside22]

Full claim

I'm Kevin
Number 1 I can check if a player has an alliance bonus and know whom they are aligned with that night. During the finale I find not only about the player i target but everyone in the alliance ability as well.
I can do that 2x per game.
Number 2: I gain Kevin point. Points are earned as follows:
Stopping a player who performed an action. Players that target me. Disbanding an alliance I earn a point per player. Claiming I was mason I earned points, revoking the claimed mason ability via the mod earned points, being lynched 1x earned points and alliance with the same player earns a point.
So if I roleblock an action I'm told how many points I am at or told I didn't earn points if an action isn't stopped.
At any point I can exchange my points to have my vote added. Each extra vote cost me a KP.
20 points and I become 3rd party and leave the game.
I have one event that can only be triggered when the thing is at +1. Which is the cool down lap.
Basically it can mod confirm a player if they truthfully tell me all their abilities, no more then 10 truthful things and I gain points from it.

[farside22]

One quick question to rr and shiro.
If you 2 have been in an alliance since day 4, why did your vote not count on day 5?

[farside22]

Not an actual alliance, that's why.

So what is it you do?

[farside22]

This is one shot: During season finales, I can give a player all of the abilities of another player, those abilities will overwrite their original abilities but not the wincondition (obviously)
And
In a three person lylo I become mod confirmed town

Scum can't afford to keep me alive till lylo, let alone the next season finale, because if i do sth like give titus' role to one of the remaining town players, they are bulletproof and can publicly confirm themselves as town


Reason in claiming this now is I can see town easily losing eventho this looks like an autowin situation, because too many vocal people and little team work. Also there is an offchance that scum will be able to kill multiple town people during the next season finale. Anyway many of you are willing to lynch me, if scum are forced to kill a potential mislynch rather than mastin/moi/grapes that's a good tradeoff

Why didn't you use the first ability during the season finale?

[farside22]

Why didn't you use the first ability during the season finale?

i already answered this
i sort of wifomed myself out of this. mostly because i was worried scum would kill grapes and my only shot would go to waste

I find this hard to believe.

[farside22]

I've mulled this over and I'm pretty sure kraska is scum.
She talked Chara about why Chara ability worked was do to her.
An ability that works during season finale and not using it for the what she said, reads like crap. Kraska is an emotional player, not rational.
Finally she had the ability to make a players ability go through, no matter what.

Vote:kraska

[farside22]

+1 is far away.
Creature claimed he gets very little as far as info and finally and most importantly we learned scum claim thus far have truth behind it so I'm standing by my vote.

[farside22]

Farside – please summarize all your checks in one post (including Night you activated it and full results you got).

Night 1: rb Shiro, no point given that day.
Night 2: rb grapes, no point given
Night 3: No action
Night 4: checked to see if any alliance bonus given to rr.
Was told he gets none. This also checked Shiro and Titus.
Shiro has none and Titus gains the ability to stop any nk from a player that she is aligned with can not kill her.
Night 5: rb Shiro, no point given that day.

[farside22]

Sorry I received a point the day beach event was on and I received a point the day we lynched twie.
Those points came from being targeted by others.

[farside22]

@Kras
yes you claim that you can not make an alliance with someone if we are at a negative stress rate, That doesn't seem true as you made an alliance before under those circumstances. Even if this was true it would fall under being blocked by an ability,\ in my mind. So yes I have read your posts..... I am just not sure what to believe,

no the alliance with farside was a special case. it seems there were effects at play from other events that allowed this to happen. i really did forget that my alliances are conditional, sorry

Your going have to explain this better.
Also if you were worried about grapes, why not mastin, or me or someone you were town reading otherwise.
These are why I think your bsing about your claim.

[farside22]

at that time barely anyone had claimed. only mastin and titus did i think. i had no clue about anyone else
i can only use this during season finales

This is a lie, mod had confirmed I was a VT on season finale.

Where did that happen?

[farside22]

Shadow_Step has no other non-factional abilities or Episode Events besides the ability to confirm this information.

"The Pearl here has exhibited an aptitude for engineering that I begrudgingly respect, but that doesn't explain the spontaneous singing, crying...
...singing while crying.

-Peridot,

Too Far

VOTECOUNT 4.01

TheWayItEnds (3):

Farside22, Creature, McMenno

Shadow_Step (1):

Almost50

Thefuzzylogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (12):

Titus, Xkfyu, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, grapes, mastin2, Kraskaeaque, MagnaofIllusion, Thefuzzylogic99, SnarkySnowman, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 17 Alive, it takes 9 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-30 15:00:00)

The Current Stress is -4, SLICE OF LIFE:

Back to back posts confirming that Shadow was Mod confirmed to be Vanilla before the end of Day 4 Exposition.

Some reason I had in my notes that claim was from twie.
Carry on.

[farside22]

How did you miss that when Twie claimed to be vig?

Just got things mixed up.
It happens.

I don't see why you think Krakatoa is telling the truth. She allied with me when according to her she shouldn't be able to.
Special circumstances is just a crap excuse

[farside22]

Don't get me wrong rr, I still think Creature is scum.
Think of it this way, snarky could rb action and I can. Creature is the first to say he can bypass rb I can see that given to scum for balance
That's more a game mechanic thing, but his play till recently was just lurky.

[farside22]

lol lurky, I think I posted more than you today.

That totally makes up for day 1-4.

[farside22]

If your allied partner is killed or lynched, you will still retain the benefits of being in an Alliance for the remainder of the Episode.

Oh look

And?

[farside22]

That was when there were a lot more posts and it was a lot more confusing, yet I posted way more than I did in other games like Wake's Role Madness and The Walking Dead Finale.

I recall some post you made just to post.
You are not exactly dynamite like the game where I was scum and you pushed people.

Lovely.

Once this game is over I will be making a my first MD thread relevant to this.

Curious.

[farside22]

You can notice when there were 13 players left I started posting more often (before even being pushed this hard).

So what are your current scum reads then?

[farside22]

We should talk quicking about alliances.
I would like to get into an alliance with shiro.
If not him, then TFL you can come with me. You know I"m not scum and I've been very good about not disbanding with anyone since day 1.

[farside22]

Well if you look at the sc wagon I'm pretty sure there is at least 1 scum at that wagon if not 2.
So kraska, Shiro or rr.
Who is Shiro aligned I think today?

[farside22]

I think a force replace would be nice, but the size of this game will make most twitch.

[farside22]

Days like this I feel like srinking

[farside22]

Alliance with tfl tonight.
If kraska is town lynch Shiro for all he is worth

[farside22]

@mastin

– Since I know RR will withhold information about his role regardless of alignment why don’t you explain why RR should show up as a “guilty” to Not Chara’s investigation.

Yume didn't tell you?

I got the information from her. Apparently they have a hammer-based killing power.
That's about all I was told. That hammering will kill.

That seems a bit pointless other then to kill me when I couldn't be lynched.

[farside22]

That seems a bit pointless other then to kill me when I couldn't be lynched.

You should be grateful I unknowingly saved you.

The ability he's claiming doesn't give me warm fuzzies.

[farside22]

I didn't know that.

[farside22]

I'm tempted to switch to shiro.
Just a note if I die and forget if Shiro is scum, rr is 100% his scum buddy.

[farside22]

Moi: did you tell anyone you could dodge a shot?
If not lynch the fuck out of rr.

[farside22]

Sharing info to everyone.
What a great idea.

[farside22]

It's half sarcasm.
If kraska is scum I believe it clears Shiro and rr

[farside22]

Just a note to everyone(mainly fuzzy actually) farside allyng with fuzzy means she can choose to turn off his vig if she decides she dislikes his likely target. *shrug* is this a good thing? A bad thing? I don't really know.

-Cerb

[farside22]

Just because you think it doesn't make it true.
Well if tfl said I'm shooting moi I think I have a right to say fuck no and step out but I don't think players are that dumb

[farside22]

Well I think if kraska is town I'd lynch rr.
Just so many things read fake and over the top from him.

[farside22]

Creature is another one I'd add to my scum list and review shadow a bit more.

[farside22]

Okay I have one question.

Creature: how the hell did I stop your action Night 6, but snarky didnt?

[farside22]

My investigation failed.

How did you send a message?

[farside22]

Creature: are you a gem?

[farside22]

So need to double check a few things but unless anyone has a reason why the scum didn't kill last Night to share I'm inclined to lynch Creature today.

The Crystal Gems have no reason why there was no kill.

My ability does not roleblock factional abilities.
Like the night kill.
The mod said something to me and I'm clarifying my points and if I'm nk immune and missed that.

[farside22]

I'm leaning more on shiro/shadow as scum.
I want to throw rr on my list for all his bluster he did little to try to figure me out in the PT but throws shade at me with every post.

[farside22]

Unknowingly my ability when targeted blocks everything including nk by scum.
I had 13 points and today I have 15 points.
I know my creature block was successful.

[farside22]

Not sure this is needed with the holidays

limited access/ vacation until Saturday

[farside22]

Unknowingly my ability when targeted blocks everything including nk by scum.
I had 13 points and today I have 15 points.
I know my creature block was successful.

For the record this is effectively a quasi-guilty on Creature due to the lack of scum Nightkill.

@Everyone

- please confirm in thread whether you have any reason why the scum Nightkill would not have occured. Unless someone else has a reason Creature WILL be the lynch today.

Shadow_Step - Claim indicates he should have none but need confirmation.
Almost50 - ???
Shiro - ???
Farside22 - Blocked Creature
Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx) - ???
grapes - ???
mastin2 - ???
MagnaofIllusion - Has no reason
TheFuzzylogic99- ???
Creature - Unless counter-claims farside's result has no reason.
randomidget - Has no reason

Just an FYI.
My rb doesn't stop factional kills.
Anything that targets me gets blocked.
I know someone targeted me last night do to the fact I got an additional point today.

[farside22]

Okay, apparently scum tried to kill farside22.

I'm not sure why.
That's the part that bugs me.
Moi, random and mastin are practically confirmed town.

Tfl has proven to kill with the fire shot claim.

I've been lynched once and accused of scum conspiring from rr and Titus.

[farside22]

I'm sure moi will disagree but here's who my biggest scum read is currently.

VOTE: shadow

[farside22]

Wanna elaborate why or don't wanna vote your buddy Creature so the vote park?

Yup I'm pretty happy with my vote.

[farside22]

Creature: why do you think shadow is scum?

[farside22]

Just an FYI.
I asked Varsoon if I could have exchange my points in beach-a-palooza. He said no.
My points were not meant for that.
I asked mostly because of rr hypothetically speel he's trying to created that has no proof.
Also, if anyone has time see what the mod says about sky in thread.

[farside22]

EVENT:

Sworn to the Sword

If used during Episode 1, the following will happen:
You will gain a double-vote for the rest of the game.

Mod:

Would Skybird's double vote allow her to apply her vote twice during any special event requiring voting?

This depends heavily on the way that the event itself is worded.

mod would skybirds double vote work in this event? See below.

At the beggining of Episode 3, the Event "You... Gonna put on a movie? That'd be nice..." has resolved.
Due to this Event, the following has publicly occurred:
Titus has been confirmed as a member of the Earth (town) faction.
Stress has been reduced to 0 (Neutral).

At the beggining of Episode 3, the Event "Beach-A-Palooza" has resolved and is now taking place.
Due to this Event, the following has publicly occured:
For 48 hours, the game thread will be locked due to this Event taking place.
During this time, all players may submit any target player to star in the 'Beach-a-Palooza' event.
Every time a player is picked by another player, it counts as one point towards the picked player's score.
Every time a player picks a player in an alliance with them, it counts as two points towards the picked player's score.
If a player picks themselves, it counts as three points towards their score.
Scum picks are only worth .5, 1, and 1.5 points, respectively.
If there are any draws, I will break the tie towards the player with more words in their role PM.
It will be revealed how many points each of the top 3 point-winners have earned.
The winning player will have their flavor revealed publicly to the game.
Scum players will have their fake-claim flavor revealed publicly.
Image The winning player will be able to privately select one of three fabulous prizes:
1. One-shot kill immunity, consumed when next targeted by a kill.
2. One-shot Climax-phase investigate a target to see if they are capable of killing a player.
3. One-shot Climax-phase mass-redirect, which causes all other abilities to redirect to the user.

[farside22]

EVENT:

Sworn to the Sword

If used during Episode 1, the following will happen:
You will gain a double-vote for the rest of the game.

Mod:

Would Skybird's double vote allow her to apply her vote twice during any special event requiring voting?

This depends heavily on the way that the event itself is worded.

This is what he said, Farside, and I told you what response I got when I asked a follow up question. There's no way to know either way, and it strikes me that Varsoon probably intends it to be that way, or else he would impact the gamestate, wouldn't he?

Given that I personally believe you aren't scum and I know that we aren't, the most simple explanation is that Skybird was able to count as one point. There are valid reasons to suppose such, but it is and only can be speculation.

The only other explanation that would explain the info we know for sure is fairly convoluted and requires too many things to have happened precisely in the right way and at the right time. It's possible, but improbable.

It's as simple as that.

~Drixx

That's simply not true.

[farside22]

We the mod said my ability was vote, that event isn't voting in the way your thinking. It doesn't use the word vote and mod made a point to say events that influence voting.

[farside22]

The double-vote gained from Skybird's 'Sworn to the Sword' Event exists solely for the purpose of submitting votes for lynches in the game thread and could not be used towards Events unless the Event allowed for such a vote.

Notably, the Beach-A-Palooza event required each

Player

to

submit

a choice of another player.

Furthermore, had Skybird had access to the Pearl account mentioned in their role PM, they would have only been able to submit a single choice regardless, as the Event specifies that each player submits a choice--not each slot.

In short, from their own role PM, there was no way that Skybird could have made multiple selections for the Beach-A-Palooza Event.

Thanks you mod.

[farside22]

Beach Result Tracking

–

Rational: mastin (+1)

Skybird: mastin (+.5)

Almost: mastin (+1)

Mastin: self (+3)

Yume: mastin (+1)

Result – 7, known 6.5

Chara: self (+3)

Farside: Chara (+2)
Result - 5

Titus: self (+3)

Kraska: Titus (+1)

Xkfyu: Titus (+1)

Grapes: Titus (+1)
total: 6

Shiro: none

Snarky: none

DGB: none

Random: none

Fuzzy: none (didn't answer?)

TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step

Magna: voted Rational

Shadow step: Almost

Fire: Rational

McMenno: self

So I've colored all the flipped scum red and all the flipped Town, Crystal Gems and mastin (cleared by Yume) as blue. Don't like this? Do your own work.

The picture gets a little bit clearer. Unless you think grapes is scum then the Titus group is 100% clear. Which to me opens RR as a viable scum candidate given that I don't see farside as Threat to Earth scum for the many reasons I've already talked about. Scum has the manpower and coordination (TWIE and DGB in Alliance) to double up on the claimed mastin vote to cover both RR and Skybird. And would have had ample time to set up the play given it is RR's event.

Next want to look the SirCakez wagon.

Rr: why did you vote mastin over Titus in the event?
Titus was confirmed town.
Yume word of mouth confirmed mastin and many times you have been the doubt caster in regards to gems.

[farside22]

And rr gave me shit for coordinating with Chara.
I swear rr if you are town this game the amount of hypocrisy I'm going to rant at you for will be endless.

[farside22]

...

We gave you shit because what you did creates perfect cover for scum to hide under. Without those 5 votes as the floor, all the people who claimed singleton votes on people wouldn't have had a place to hide. Without Titus using her conftown, our plan would have went off perfectly, Mastin would have had like 17 points or something, and we could have tested the people who showed up with low vote counts, and scum would have had less room to hide in and would have had to justify their choices.

There's a big difference between deliberately obfuscating the results of the event while simultaneously decreasing the chance that conftown ends up winning the event and working to ENSURE conftown wins and town gains maximum information.

-Cerb

Here's a presentation of what you have been doing.

Maybe you did all that to fake scum hunting and look town.
I mean sky voted mastin according to her so scum knew the plan occurring to your theory so......you look just as guilty in my book.

[farside22]

So? Is it Creature, Fuzzy or farside we're lynching today? Are we back to the "my way or no way" kind of thing?

Creature or shadow.

I'll I read from rr is blah, blah, you so scum, blah blah how dare you call me out for being a hypocrite and take everything said out of context and blah blah blah.

[farside22]

I keep seeing “Scum Vig” floated without addressing that scum already had additional kill abilities via Events. Why is this happening? Yes, a scum Vig is not impossible. Frankly the only way I think that would actually be in this game is as a 1-Shot. This is why I want Fuzzy to shoot one of Shiro / Shadow / Creature (those alive after today’s lynch) to confirm his shot was not only a one-off.

I agree with this.
I'm going to copy and paste and make sure fuzzy doesn't miss it.


--

[farside22]

Can some one that is not RR explain to me why they think rr bringing up that I can disband alliances as a thing to be concerned with makes sense at all?
Because every time he says it just reads as fear mongering for no reason to me.

[farside22]

We need Farside to confirm that she can get her claimed solo win (that doesn't make the rest of us lose) by breaking today's alliance and the proposed one for tomorrow ... or if not tell us what else she needs, so that can be a worry off our plate.

I'm 5 points away from the 3rd party win con.
I'm not disbanding from tfl just an FYI.
Thank you for your shitty comment.

[farside22]

God I just reread everything in full and that idea is terrible.
Like is this from the same person who gave shit for not voting and then bitching when voting doesn't go your way and the barely fucking interacting with me..........
I can't even being to understand your issues any more.

[farside22]

I get one point disbanding per player.
So one point for fuzzy.
If one disband with mastin_shadow and mastin is part of the alliance the odds get 2 points.
I'm short by 2 points.
Now if I successfully block an action I get 1 point.
So in short I'm short 1 point unless someone targets me then it work.

[farside22]

With all that said I don't get why you want that after telling everyone you don't think me being with tfl was good.

[farside22]

I thought you counted as part of the alliance far.

No.

I'm good with random and moi alliance.

I think tfl should shot shadow if he's not lynched today.
His effort to sort anyone is so awful I can't see any reason anyone doesn't think he is scum.

[farside22]

I thought you counted as part of the alliance far.

I get one point disbanding per player.
So one point for fuzzy.
If one disband with mastin_shadow and mastin is part of the alliance the odds get 2 points.
I'm short by 2 points.
Now if I successfully block an action I get 1 point.
So in short I'm short 1 point unless someone targets me then it work.

Earlier you said you get 1 point per person in the alliance, and you are a person in the alliance. I also believe you claimed to get 5 points from the joyride, which was a 5 person alliance including you...

RR, didn't you realise farside claimed her ability can't block factional kills and she earned two points (meaning she was probably targeted)?

She later clarified and said she misunderstood her role abilities and that she in fact COULD block factional kills, and she announced that she roleblocked YOU. That's why MoI asked if anyone else could explain the lack of kill, because in the absence of any other explanation, Farside handed us a guilty on YOU. I mean ... apart from the fact that you have long since been scum trolling us with your posts, why did you think you are eating rope today?

I thought you counted as part of the alliance far.

That's what she claimed earlier. And now it should be clear why I'm proposing putting her claim to the test. I think any sane person will conclude that the claim "Town ascetic reflexive roleblocker who can also targeted roleblock who also can destroy alliances who also is lynchprooof (limited shots claim, in a game where abilities refresh periodically), who can also multi-vote, who is also bulletproof but can pursue two different alternate win conditions (remember she claimed that she could expend "Kevin Points" to "race" some other player, which she said she would

never

elaborate upon), at least one of which changes her alignment to third party and gives her a self-aligned win that doesn't interfere with the rest of the game (except that it adjusts the M/LYLO situation)" is just plain

bullshit

. (Psst.... alignment change is BASTARD).

The problem is that all of those abilities have been demonstrated, except for the whole use 20 points and get a solo win part, and the "race" thing.

So now ask yourself ... do you want to bet the game that Farside is really that bullshit claim, or do you want to put it to the test before it bites us in the ass? If you actually want to bet the game, please go look at how SaGa Frontier ended (this is aimed at everyone).

I also don’t see the point of actively trying to get farside a third party win at this point if she is actively not looking for it. Frankly that’s making me look at RR again with skepticism.

--

Also ... how did I end up sorting alliances? There's a reason I avoided this all game. This is a pain in the arse.

No complaining when you basically just thrust yourself into the role ..

You don't see the point? She is caught in at least one outright lie at this point. The previously unclaimed BP ... do you really buy that she "misunderstood"? According to the established way she earns points, in her own words, she should get points equal to alliance size, including herself. That means she can be tested and we can know for sure tomorrow at essentially day start (since Varsoon allows for action queueing) whether or not she is mostly harmless (exits the game with a personal win regardless of the overall outcome) or caught in a web of lies.

If anyone wants to lay down any side bets, I now agree with Cerberus and suspect it is the latter.

I mean ... just read her ISO at this point. It sort of speaks for itself. I was going to dump a bunch of quotes in but either you care enough or you don't. Insert the whole <Lead a horse to water> wise saying here.

Nice use of the verb Thrust though.

~Drixx

P-Edit: Check alliance PT Random. I think you'll agree with the reasoning for the alliances I proposed.

Per person does not include me.
If I said it included me before I don't remember saying it.

[farside22]

Got it....... what if I miss tonight
I don't want to get lynched tomorrow bc I was pressured into making a shot that was poor. I only get 1 shot per season.
I will take the shot if yall really want but I rather wait till I get a better chance to hit my target

If we lynch creature and he flips town, shoot shadow and use capslock super bold tags.
If we lynch shadow and he flips scum, shoot shiro with capslock super bold tags.

Let me know if you agree disagree with this.

Flips don't seem to occur until the night ends.

[farside22]

@Titus: she said she gets points to power up her vote. Yesterday it was worth 6 or something.

You failed an action on her.

It could easily be worth +11 now.

Basically no way for us to know what her "range" is now.

Why wouldn't she shoot you if scum titus?


And about the finale: Drixx and I haven't come to terms, and fire hasn't agreed yet. I want fb/random for sorting and to resolve whatever fb is thinking about us, and he wants you+whoever else for game solving stuff.

-Cerb

Only one person has targetted me.

I think the confusion comes from here, where Titus said your vote was worth 6 votes, you claimed you took 1 point per person in the alliance and 1 point from roleblocking(where you said only one person targeted you)

Although

I mean shit if I wanted to really dodge this lynch all I have to do is vote dgb 7 times and call it a day.
I would rather get my points tbh.

You also claimed 7 votes here, which means that you had at least 6 points before being lynched to prove you are unlynchable.

I used votes on snarky.

[farside22]

I get the impression all see is a few players trying to cherry pick post instead of scum hunting current stuff.
I think rr is just trying to make me reach my goal to help scum.
I just can't see the town mot8ve

[farside22]

I get the impression all see is a few players trying to cherry pick post instead of scum hunting current stuff.
I think rr is just trying to make me reach my goal to help scum.
I just can't see the town mot8ve

Stop it. You are caught lying. Attacking us isn't going to help you. Random has our entire thought process and agrees that our logic is sound and Random is a confirmed Crystal Gem and MoI confirms that the mod has confirmed Random to him. He is unimpeachable.

You exiting the game adjusts the M/LYLO scenario. That will help scum. There's no getting around that. You're caught and outed as having lied, so we cannot count on you to do anything other than play to your neutral win condition. Therefore, we want you to prove your win con and get out BEFORE doing so causes us to lose. And Random evaluated everything and will infodump to MoI tonight.

As for you ... I'm literally just begging you to come clean now. We won't be vindictive. We just want to know for sure you can take your points and exit and it won't screw us. If you can do that, then we have a plan to avoid that costing us the game. If you keep on sticking to your lies, I don't see how anyone can trust you and you're going to end up eating rope, imo.

~Drixx

P.S. - Seriously just put yourself in our shoes and ask yourself if you would believe all the claims you have made, along with the abilities you have demonstrated, especially since you are caught in at least one lie, if not more. I don't think you would do anything other than lynch yourself.

I didn't get caught lying.
You misunderstanding a reaching a conclusion I never said isn't a lie.

[farside22]

I think scum rr is upset the kill didn't go through on me.

I maybe bias.

Moi thoughts?

[farside22]

Let's use facts on my issues with rr.
1) during our pt he barely engaged me
2) he's using something I said as a lie where not once did I say disbanding included me.
3) he wants me to complete my goal which means one less town player in a game that is shrinking down.
I see nothing town with this 3rd thing.
4) no one is dead today, no one and he still acts like I'm lying. Where is the common sense with this notion and no cc why the kill was blocked.

I told tfl I'd prefer he or Shiro get shot. I see nothing town from either but also nothing from shadow.
That seems a bit high for number of scum in game.
So I'm not sure who I'm wrong about.
Help figuring rr motive would be awesome.

[farside22]

Guys let's lynch shadow feels like a scumflip.

Agreed.

[farside22]

Some players are skimming my post I see.
My rb doesn't not stop factional kills.
I said that 3 fucking times.
When I'm targeted to blocks everything including kills.

[farside22]

Some players are skimming my post I see.
My rb doesn't not stop factional kills.
I said that 3 fucking times.
When I'm targeted to blocks everything including kills.

Which means creature is probably town. Or at least this makes half the votes on him no longer valid.
Do you know for sure when you get hit?

No.
I have a point system.
I just know my rb successfully stopped creature and I know I got one more point then I should have today.
I believe some one targeted me.
It's the only thing that makes sense.

[farside22]

can we get a restate on alliances?

I'm allying with Random and moi.

I'd like someone voting Creature to tell me why shadow isn't scum.

[farside22]

I believe the plan was
VOTE: Shadow_step?

I endorse this product and/or service.

VOTE: shadow_step

Mastin you have been a bit quiet, any thoughts other then lynch shadow, who you are scum reading?

[farside22]

at MOI

why ... Shadow is confirm scum
Anyways Shadow fake comments means that Grapes is very likely not scun..thus I wont vig Grapes tonight


I am allying with Far tonight......if that's okay with her

I'm fine with this.

I have a few things on want to review with shadow confirmed scum.
It will have to wait till tomorrow.
Please no hammering until then.

Also moi if Shiro doesn't count at this time leave him bubbled.
Please.

[farside22]

TFL looks really scummy right now. They are still trying to swing as many potential vig shots for themselves as possible.

I'd like to emphasize on this statement. Scum!TFL could NOT have shot anyone last night because of the ongoing event. I would lynch him over conf.Scum!Shadow at this point (and I DO have a reason for it too).

OK, I'll lay my cards:

TFL is currently allied with me (and RR), and the actions of whoever allies with me on the Finale .. CANNOT FAIL. (That's why I wanted to ally with Mastina, btw.. so that her check could not be redirected or blocked in anyway).

So, while Shadow IS confirmed Scum, TFL will have a GUARANTEED SHOT tonight. (Note that the event's effect ends by today's Exposition, so the Scum kill is not prevented by it anymore on the Climax, while the effect from the alliance with me guarantees the shot WILL go through).

As for Shadow's trolling, I believe he was talking to "someone" on the 2nd one (the "the longer grapes lives .. bla bla"), and that someone certainly is NOT Shiro (because Shiro is bubbled so should have no access to any other PT's, which is proven by his PT with me still being locked btw).

So, I propose we lynch TFL today and the Gems can always bubble Shadow tonight to make sure he doesn't kill either. If a kill still occurs then we know there's an additional scum left. If not, then the game should be over (as per MOI's statement of his bubbled target counting as a death for as long as they are bubbled).

If I'm not being clear enough, please ask specific questions for me to be able to respond in a way that makes my thoughts perfectly clear to you.

VOTE: TFL

This is the worst idea I have seen in many a moon.
Right along with rr trying to lynch me when everyone fucking confirmed they were not responsible for the lack of night kill but me.

[farside22]

@far:

Did you read the part about BUBBLING Shadow? Did you take note of the fact MoI CONFIRMED WITH VARSOoN that a bubbled player counts as DEAD regarding the Town condition? More to it, if TFL & Shadow ARE the last 2 scums we win instantly TONIGHT! If -by ANY chance; which in mind is a ZERO chance- TFL flips Town, then Shadow will STILL BE REMOVED FORM THE GAME, meaning he can't shoot/harm anyone.

Now with both Shiro and Shadow bubbled, we either:

1- win = Game ends with a Town Win
2- Have another NK, confirming there IS one scum left outside of Shiro/Shadow
3- Have no NK, but the game still continues = lynch Shadow tomorrow.

It'd be a win-win situation for the town. I don't see what your problem is with this plan. I can certainly see what TFL's problem is because he IS CONFIRMED SCUM, but -unless you do NOT win with Town- I can't understand why you're jumping in to support an obvious scum kill tonight.

This doesn't explain why you want to lynch a hypothetical scum vs confirmed scum.

Between you and rr trying to setup paranoia I can't see anything else gained from your point.

Also I will say this if tfl decides to shot me, when I flip town lynch rr for telling town to kill now confirmed town player that is not scum and have him explain why he continued to try to lynch confirm town and shot confirm town based on hypothetical crap.
Please.
Since he has yet to explain why shooting not confirmed scum is a good idea other then fear mongering.
Thank you

[farside22]

hey if you want to lynch me.... lynch me tomorrow/ We have a confess scum that needs to die.

I would not say my play is scummy just a bit erratic ....but everything seems different when you are looking from your own eyes as opposed to someone else.

As I said it doesn't matter who I vig ....the plan being we lynch Shadow. If the game does not end we have one scum left. I vig from the list. If I hit game over ..... if not we lynch tomorrow and that's should be game.

I think far is the best vig shot here.

TFL looks really scummy right now. They are still trying to swing as many potential vig shots for themselves as possible.

I'd like to emphasize on this statement. Scum!TFL could NOT have shot anyone last night because of the ongoing event. I would lynch him over conf.Scum!Shadow at this point (and I DO have a reason for it too).

OK, I'll lay my cards:

TFL is currently allied with me (and RR), and the actions of whoever allies with me on the Finale .. CANNOT FAIL. (That's why I wanted to ally with Mastina, btw.. so that her check could not be redirected or blocked in anyway).

So, while Shadow IS confirmed Scum, TFL will have a GUARANTEED SHOT tonight. (Note that the event's effect ends by today's Exposition, so the Scum kill is not prevented by it anymore on the Climax, while the effect from the alliance with me guarantees the shot WILL go through).

As for Shadow's trolling, I believe he was talking to "someone" on the 2nd one (the "the longer grapes lives .. bla bla"), and that someone certainly is NOT Shiro (because Shiro is bubbled so should have no access to any other PT's, which is proven by his PT with me still being locked btw).

So, I propose we lynch TFL today and the Gems can always bubble Shadow tonight to make sure he doesn't kill either. If a kill still occurs then we know there's an additional scum left. If not, then the game should be over (as per MOI's statement of his bubbled target counting as a death for as long as they are bubbled).

If I'm not being clear enough, please ask specific questions for me to be able to respond in a way that makes my thoughts perfectly clear to you.

VOTE: TFL

this is actually a really good point. I should have seen that -_-

Buying time?
Mechanically I agree that he looks town, but his posting has been incredibly scummy.

I beg to differ here. Otherwise, what was the point from activating that event (I trust either you or MOI activated it, and I trust it was for an elaborate reason).

I can confirm what A50 is saying. I also reject in totality the bullshit Grapes is peddling. We never suggested to anyone that TFL shoot Grapes. The plan was always for us to use our hammer ability on Farside today (assuming we could get you guys to realize that she's 3rd party and in a Varsoon game there is precedent for that to be a solo win alone condition) and to point Fuzzy at Shadow.

I believe Random can confirm that was our plan and that our reasoning for doing it that way is sound.

~Drixx

P.S. - First post by me today grapes. Not sure what you were going on about me earlier for but I've been sick as heck and went to bed before day started and just got up an hour ago.

P-Edit: We didn't pick up on it because she was only given a one shot of it and used it already.

Yep can confirm.

Umm. there's no general rule in the game saying that all one shot abilities get refunded at the finale, so I would assume it's role based...and there's nothing about the beach-a-palooza reward that indicates that power would be refunded at the finale.

And, well. I mean sure, I guess he could be a scum!notvig and scum just used some other method to kill FB and he decided to claim that kill...which is why we lynch shadow, and leash fuzzy's shot(which should be at farside because if town loses this game, it WILL be to weird third party shit).

-Cerb

Could an option be to lynch far, tfl vigs shadow then we lynch tfl? I'm 95% sure that will end the game. If not we still will have enough people left for at least one more lynch (probs on almost)
I agree that shadow is most likely to flip scum, but the fact that he wants to be lynched still makes it suspicious to me. I'm not sure that when we have extra phases in the bag we should not go for optimum strategy.

You are worse then the rest.
Why the fuck do you think there was no kill the day I found out I can't be shot at?
Please explain how that fucking makes sense in any way, shape or form.
If you think scum used it to put me in some great position why the fuck would they given they fucking lost a shot the night before.
Please tell me the common fucking sense.

[farside22]

Shadow is scum, and will get the rope. period end of story. Stop trying to save scum.

Alliances please !!!!

Can't argue against my case, so uses the desperate move of asserting his bus on a p. Noted.

That wasn't a case.
It's hypothetically shit post.
Here let's use an example.
A50 claims he isn't scum but he asked people in the joy ride to not vote cakez.
He was probably saving his scum buddy day 1 and has done shit all in trying to solve the game.
You can see how he's positioning to save shadow to be lynched yet he thinks tfl will shot shadow all while calling them scum together?
That makes zip sense.
Why would anyone believe scum would shot scum buddy number 1, scum would have 2 Kill abilities to use during the night and 2 why not lynch confirmed scum and if tfl doesn't shot who everyone agrees tonight is then confirm scum.
Instead a50 is spinning a tale to save shadow since scum are down with those that are confirmed town.

[farside22]

I've calmed down.
I think anyone not voting confirmed scum and trying to sell moonlogic is most likely final scum with shadow.
Here is what I think should happen.

We lynch shadow, tlf shoots a50 for trying to save said scum buddy and if moi/random can bubble they can bubble me.
That way whatever rr is trying to pull he will be exposed if the game continues.
I also noted a50 is claiming he can do something but if you read his past post he claimed many times he has no other ability and never mentioned anything during the last season finale.

As for alliances.
Moi/random
Tfl/far
Grapes/mastin
Rr/a50

[farside22]

Have the claimed vig that no one else claimed vig a50.
Tell me how tfl shot and a second player dies = tfl scum?
If you can point to a game where scum have 2 Kill abilities more then one time per game that does not include the dating game mafia game I created I would listen.
Other then that you have 2 players, one confirmed scum and one saving there scum buddy currently.
You will have to convince me tfl scum makes srnse.

[farside22]

Here is the million dollar question.
If tfl vig isn't garenteed and he shots me and it fails how many people will lynch tfl over the player trying to save scum today?
I have to ask because from my POV everyone has some moon logic vision that just looks devoid of actually lynching scum.

[farside22]

I mean someone out there has to have some common sense in this game that tfl shooting and scum killing someone else and a50 not wanting to prove tfl can shoot and would rather lynch tfl over confirmed scum.
Please oh please explain why a50 trying to lynch anyone but confirmed scum makes sense coming from town.

[farside22]

YCBA

Was it here on mafia scum?

[farside22]

Have the claimed vig that no one else claimed vig a50.
Tell me how tfl shot and a second player dies = tfl scum?
If you can point to a game where scum have 2 Kill abilities more then one time per game that does not include the dating game mafia game I created I would listen.
Other then that you have 2 players, one confirmed scum and one saving there scum buddy currently.
You will have to convince me tfl scum makes srnse.

YCBA 4

Never mind I found the game.


I will note for those actually town.
Titus claimed her ability was the same as cakez and cakez was scum.
Dgb claimed an ability like mine and she was scum.
A50 is currently trying to claim something that not chara had as an ability.
I'm 99% sure with those stats he's scum.
the flailing from him just moves it way over the edge of no return.

[farside22]

what does not make sense is , if I might be a danger either have the Gems bubble me or ask me not to vig,,,,,,, I have followed the town plan if its agreed upon. There is no reason to lynch me over confirm scum......I would say maybe Almsost did not think of these options but That would lessen the credit I give to Almost abilities at Mafia,

Pretty sure a50 is scum saving his scum buddy.
According to random, rr is trying to say there are 7 scum this game.

[farside22]

Let's make a deal rr.
If tfl can garenteed a shit on me tonight and I do die.
When I flip town can players lynch you for setting up shooting a townie instead of the a50 who is trying hard to save shadow?
This is a serious question.

[farside22]

I'm my options based on rr's constant 3rd comments and lack of actually carrying about who is scum I'd not be shocked if he turned out to have a win con that needed me dead.
Just my 2 cents.

[farside22]

The magnitude of a50 rant just reads fake.
Never once did he express a scum read on expect day 1.
His flailing is this game day is just way over the top