STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[grapes]

Based on numbers started and 3p with the gems I think 3 scum left.

I kinda doubt that seems like too much.

[grapes]

You asked about rr and why he would push for just me, why not, I'm easy to lynch, he can blame Titus for it after with all her thoughts on me.

Yea maybe you're right. You've kinda created this situation where, if you're town or win with town that your lynch is simultaneously very justified and tells us absolutely nothing. Nice work.

My point is are you that valuable a lynch for groupscum at this point to strongarm it to the extent they have?
Guess there's not MUCH else exciting going on and lolwhynot and also shrug.
I need to sleep on things and readnotskim some stuff.

[grapes]

@RR - I'm confused why you're pushing the gems as a second scumteam when we've seen a gem flip benign. Clue a guy in?

[grapes]

Every time I look at the OP to see who's still alive. Randomidgets name is there and I just die a little bit.

[grapes]

I think he's town. Why?

[grapes]

Actually I just reread our alliance PT. Is it sus that he completely avoided talking about the beach city points?

[grapes]

Well there wasn't a lot of discourse before the day actually started. But I brought up that titus would be a good candidate and he sorta shrugged it off and changed the direction of the conversation to things like "why did you want to ally" and flavor. Even after I tried to talk about it twice. I didn't tell him explicitly to vote titus because I didn't have time + didn't realize how big a deal the votes were. But thinking back it's strange that he didn't vote at all considering what we talked about.

Then there's some stuff about sky being conftown for getting an alliance with steven. And he says he thinks yume and mastin are confirmed but not quite. Like, yume and mastin were lower on his POE then skybird. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense.

Trouble is this could just be fuzzy derping but there's scum motive to be found all around.

[grapes]

I'm going to iso everyone probably tomorrow.

If you all could give reads that'd be great.

Shadow having fuzzy as a top scumread in this gamestate is either refreshing or scum wanna read that iso first. Fuzzy's been off the radar a minute.

[grapes]

I must have misread the flip or something then.

Cerb can we alliance tonight?

[grapes]

Not really feeling a creature lynch tbh.

[grapes]

Creature, what was the priority of the event you used when snarky should have blocked you?

[grapes]

Bored so I'm gonna read from daystart like two Days ago and just post stuff. And then probably make a vote. Sorry again for being almost completely not here for a minute holy fuck this game is hard to parse.

I'll patiently wait for whatever answer you might produce but I'll be clear - I don't give a rats ass if you like how the Gems are using the ability to stall immediate death for certain players.

What do you mean by this?

When I said traitor, I didn't mean role. I meant, mole. Double-agent. Groupscum with a fakeclaim within the group. Whatever you want to call it.

If we're dealing with something like that. It's probs random. Would they have any associations with threats to earth?

Because currently the desire to lynch twie is based on the hypothetically dgb got info from twie as scum.

Again all hypothetically and the only one agreeing with this idea is rr.

Also and this is final.
I refuse with every fiber of my being to follow this 3 fucking game day tunnel that is down right getting ridiculous.
I've almost reached the point were I almost want to support my own lynch to be done with this day after fucking day bs attitude that only is far is scum and everyone else is wrong.

I'll be so dissapointed if TWIE and DGB rolled scum together in this game and did some blatantly bad idea shit like that.
I wanna say farside would make this post as scum but it's null because -getting tunneled by titus for days- would make me wanna die as well I'd imagine.

Got it. But Shiro is still Town. Yes?

Somebody somewhere said something about you being lock-town on shiro for some reason. Why are you asking this here and what's your read on shiro?

Let's be frank here. TWIE's claim means shit. You would need an explanation for why and how Grapes survived given he's not a bulletproof. That's directly trying to sell you Farside town, but let's say you followed this line of hogwash TWIE sold to it's conclusion, you would have a totally necessary different scumread.

LOL TWIE why did you shoot me?

Yes. Exactly. Still sorting. Not town.

Skybird did not know the crystal gems in all likelihood. (Which actually makes me feel much better about them actually.)

Why does that make you feel better about them?

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I'm on page 360ish and it's making me wanna try some VCA because I don't know whether mastin or titus was more on the right track.

Kraska comes to mind from when I skimmed some VCs a while ago but it's iffier because... do sky and kraska both take for the chara push?

I think maybe; if whoever posted the wall-case on it did so because they looked at chara's body of work and a robust wall of words came immediately to mind or something. I could see that honestly.

Just... such a scumpost too in hindsight it wasn't even funny. When you realize how unnecessary all that was to the momentum of the wagon. Grapes is usually all the momentum a wagon needs until I change my mind.

Same thing with their RR read.

Who drops a paragraph on why they think someone's town while they're getting whimsically wagoned up to start the day?
Kraska is SCUM.

But for now, pretty sure given no one healed grapes and grapes wasn't BP, that should be all the evidence there.

So wait he claimed to shoot me and I didn't die? He's probably lying because -- what doc saves me and what vig shoots me?

Shadow_Step has no other non-factional abilities or Episode Events besides the ability to confirm this information.

Wait, that's it?

That isn't nearly as confirmed as you told me you would be. In fact, that isn't confirmed at all.

Shadow did you claim you'd be confirmed town?

I told you I got the crappiest role lol

I thought this clears me because I'm obviously not responsible for the scum events like Message recieved?

You know, why doesn't someone with more free time actually do something like this.
What did we figure out as far as what we can deduce from who actioned so far?

Suppose it doesn't really matter because the scum events have all been factional.

Also question do yuo have no event at all and have we seen someone flip without an event yet?

Ok I'm going to put an end to this.

Not Chara passively protected Grapes while they were allied. Not Chara also didn't claim to Grapes while they were allied. Therefore, Grapes didn't know he was being protected.

Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.

When did he "reveal skybird's attempt to kill grapes" I'm fuzzy on that part. How did you know chara passively protected me?

See this is fucked I don't know anything it's like playing the game with a blindfold on.

It seems pretty obvious that the gems are able to chat with people before they die (as evidenced by MoI mentioning that NCs scumread on me has increased), so it seems this information was likely claimed by NC posthumously, in whatever chat the gems have access to. If we're certain there is a scum slot among the gems, then scum learned this whenever NC told the rest of the gems, but there's no reason to think they knew about it any earlier.

Holy fuck that is cool.

So they're sorta like the guardians of earth in a sense or something weird.
Or Varsoon designed a team of scum to troll town in a dark-private-anonymous chamber

as they lay dying

... I mean. Wouldn't put it past him and that'd be pretty rad. Cool idea for a bastard game or something.

Magna and random or the gems correct? They haven't tried to fuck us yet.

Farside has fucked us but I'm not sure maliciously. I mean it could obviously be construed that way but still.

I'm queasy that she apparently has 5 votes though.

5x Vote: snarky

lol

SnarkySnowman (LYNCH): mastin2, Creature, McMenno, Farside22

ERRMMMMMMMMMMMMKAY YEA WHY LIKE I SAW IT ALREADY BUT PLEASE NO

farside the fuck was that stunt yesterday, you knew he was town in order for you bloody hammer to work.

BARF

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Okay and now we get to about where I started actually posting again but I'll reread that (probably skim the farside vs. rr stuff) but my vote is most likely going on TWIE. I'm ISOing him right now and he doesn't mention shit about shooting me at all so someone please direct me where the talks of that came from.

[grapes]

TFW you realize you started reading an Entire phase later than you left off as well.

Holy fuck you guys realize hyper activity is only good to such an extent.

Spoiler:

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

VOTECOUNT 1.10

SirCakez (5):

Not Chara, Yume, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

Not Chara (3):

grapes, Skybird, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (3):

DrippingGoofball, Farside22, Firebringer

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

Creature (2):

Xkfyu, Almost50

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

VOTECOUNT 1.11

SirCakez (5):

Not Chara, Yume, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Not Chara (2):

grapes, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (2):

DrippingGoofball, Firebringer

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

Creature (2):

Xkfyu, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

VOTECOUNT 1.12

SirCakez (7):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume, grapes, Shiro

Shiro (4):

Farside22, Skybird, Almost50

Skybird (2):

killthestory, Creature

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Seraphim

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Klingoncelt (1)

Firebringer

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"Back during the war, Pearl took pride in risking her destruction for your mother.
She put Rose Quartz over everything; over logic, over consequence, over her own life."

-Garnet,

Sworn to the Sword

VOTECOUNT 1.13

SirCakez (10):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume, grapes, Shiro, Firebringer, Reasonably Rational, SnarkySnowman

Shiro (4):

Farside22, Skybird, Almost50

Firebringer (2):

Klingoncelt

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Seraphim

Skybird (1):

Creature

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Farside22 (1):

killthestory

Not Voting (4):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

VOTECOUNT 1.14

SirCakez (10):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

Firebringer (2):

Klingoncelt

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (6):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature, Reasonably Rational

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

VOTECOUNT 1.15

SirCakez (12):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque, Klingoncelt

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (6):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature, Reasonably Rational

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

VOTECOUNT 1.16 : LYNCH!

SirCakez (LYNCH):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque, Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (5):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

VOTECOUNT 2.14

Mathblade (8):

mastin2, Almost50, Xkfyu, McMenno, DrippingGoofball, Yume, Titus, Creature

DrippingGoofball (6):

Klingoncelt, Not Chara, Firebringer, SnarkySnowman, Shiro, Mathblade

Shiro (1):

Farside22

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

grapes (1):

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

Kraskaeaque (1):

grapes

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational, TheWayItEnds, TheFuzzylogic99

With 24 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-02 00:10:00)

The Current Stress is +1:

VOTECOUNT 2.16

Mathblade (

LYNCH

):

mastin2, Almost50, Xkfyu, McMenno, DrippingGoofball, Yume, Titus, Creature, Farside22, Not Chara, grapes, Mathblade, Firebringer

DrippingGoofball (3):

Klingoncelt, SnarkySnowman, Shiro

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

grapes (1):

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational, TheWayItEnds, TheFuzzylogic99

With 24 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-02 00:10:00)

The Current Stress is +1:

VOTECOUNT 3.02

Farside22 (7)

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, grapes, DrippingGoofball, Creature

DrippingGoofball (1):

Not Chara

Not Chara (1):

McMenno

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (12):

Shadow_Step, Xkfyu, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, Farside22, Yume, Reasonably Rational, mastin2, Firebringer, Thefuzzylogic99, randomidget

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-13 05:20:00)

The Current Stress is 0:

VOTECOUNT 3.03

Farside22 (7)

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, grapes, DrippingGoofball, Creature

DrippingGoofball (3):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99, Not Chara

Shadow_Step (3):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer, McMenno

Skybird (1):

Farside22

Firebringer (1):

Yume

Not Voting (7):

Shadow_Step, Xkfyu, Skybird, Almost50, Reasonably Rational, mastin2, randomidget

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-13 05:20:00)

The Current Stress is 0:

VOTECOUNT 3.04

Farside22 (7):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, grapes, DrippingGoofball, Creature

DrippingGoofball (3):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99, Not Chara

Shadow_Step (2):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer

Firebringer (1):

Yume

Skybird (1):

Farside22

Not Voting (8):

Shadow_Step, Xkfyu, Skybird, Almost50, Reasonably Rational, mastin2, randomidget, McMenno

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-13 05:20:00)

The Current Stress is 0:

VOTECOUNT 3.05

Farside22 (9):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, grapes, DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Yume, Xkfyu

DrippingGoofball (6):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99, Not Chara, McMenno, Creature, Farside22

Shadow_Step (2):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer

Creature (1):

Almost50

Xkfyu (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational, mastin2, randomidget

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-13 05:20:00)

The Current Stress is 0:

VOTECOUNT 3.06

Farside22 (9):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, grapes, DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Yume, Xkfyu

DrippingGoofball (6):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99, Not Chara, McMenno, Creature, Farside22

Shadow_Step (2):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer

Creature (1):

Almost50

Xkfyu (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational, mastin2, randomidget

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-13 05:20:00)

The Current Stress is 0:

VOTECOUNT 3.07

Farside22 (8):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Yume, Xkfyu

DrippingGoofball (6):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99, Not Chara, McMenno, Creature, Farside22

Kraskaesque (3):

mastin2, grapes, Shadow_Step

Shadow_Step (2):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer

Creature (1):

Almost50

Not Voting (2):

Reasonably Rational, randomidget

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-13 05:20:00)

The Current Stress is +1:

VOTECOUNT 3.08 : NOT A LYNCH?

Farside22 (LYNCH?):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Yume, Xkfyu, Not Chara, McMenno, Kraskaeaque, Almost50

DrippingGoofball (3):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99, Creature

SnarkySnowman (3):

mastin2, grapes, Farside22

Kraskaesque (1):

Shadow_Step

Shadow_Step (1):

Firebringer

Not Voting (2):

Reasonably Rational, randomidget

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-13 05:20:00)

The Current Stress is +1:

VOTECOUNT 3.10

SnarkySnowman (6):

McMenno, Farside22, Titus, Not Chara, grapes, mastin2

Farside22 (2):

Yume, Almost50

Not Voting (14):

Shadow_Step, Xkfyu, Skybird, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, MagnaofIllusion, Firebringer, Thefuzzylogic99, SnarkySnowman, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-22 19:50:00)

The Current Stress is +1:

VOTECOUNT 3.11

SnarkySnowman (7):

McMenno, Farside22, Titus, Not Chara, grapes, mastin2, TheWayItEnds

DrippingGoofball (4):

Thefuzzylogic99, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, Creature

Farside22 (1):

Almost50

Not Voting (9):

Shadow_Step, Xkfyu, Skybird, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, Firebringer, randomidget

With 21 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-22 19:50:00)

The Current Stress is +2:

VOTECOUNT 3.12 : LYNCH

DrippingGoofball (LYNCH):

Thefuzzylogic99, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, Creature, Titus, Shiro, Firebringer, grapes, McMenno, Farside22, Not Chara

SnarkySnowman (2):

mastin2, TheWayItEnds

Farside22 (1):

Almost50

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (5):

Shadow_Step, Xkfyu, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, randomidget

With 20 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-22 19:50:00)

The Current Stress is +2:

[grapes]

Fuzzy controlled the lynch event yesterday, and was given the chance to lynch snarky with no accountability. Given that snarky flipped town, there's little reason for scum!fuzzy to not take the opportunity to get a free kill. Since he did not, it is very unlikely that fuzzy is scum, UNLESS one of his teammates was likely to be lynched if fuzzy wasn't around to draw the heat.

How do you know that? And if you were going to know that do you not think fuzzy would have the foresight to avoid that as scum?

What exactly do you mean by the last line about drawing heat?

She asked me to ally again in the alliance pt. I didnt know she asked Titus to ally in thread ( like I said, I'm really behind on what's going on here). But I assume she wanted to switch after seeing the flip. She's been egging me to vote snarky for a long time, she was pretty convinced he's scum so I understand why she wouldn't want to ally Titus after ending the day prematurely with a town flip

Why do you understand? What's the town motive there?

Can you explain why she voted the way she did, when it only out 8 votes on snarky and wouldn't have lynched him if he were scum?

Sometimes you don't care if you think you're voting for scum.

Do you think based on farsides conviction to her snarky read (felt like she was all about that for a while) it would make sense for her as town to wanna squash him like a pancake?

Farside has not been concluded to not be groupscum; what we have concluded is that IN ORDER for her to be groupscum, DGB had to have coordinated/spoke with a member of her team at some point prior to beachapalooza. There were two opportunities for this: D3, with TWIE, and D2, when Farside and Skybird claimed to be allied with one another (dgb could have allied with either and they could have lied to cover for it, or DGB could have just forced an alliance with one of the other no alliance claimed on D2 and found scum).

There's a fairly good town-case to be made for her based on cakes associatives, though.
And it looks to me like, from what you're saying here, that A LOT of shit needed to go right for her to be groupscum.
Like, would the knowledge of her not being groupscum 100% make you want to hold off on her lynch or do you think she's an SK?

My current thought process on this sequence of events is scum!farside knew she was going to be lynched at some point, but had enough points to force through two mislynches. She dumped points to force the fuzzy mislynch and was planning on allying titus, but when stress didn't drop and they still had their -4 stress kill, they decided to kill titus and activate the event in place today, while farside made sure she allied with someone else, so she could make sure to force another mislynch today without being at risk of getting lynched herself, or just force a no lynch today (cause free scum kill), then force a mislynch tomorrow.

Or she's bad town.

To clarify, are you a survivor? I have no wish to Lynch you If you are and I am pretty sure most of town shares that sentiment but come clean with it if you are

Bad post.

This sentence is a contradiction in itself, why is Fuzzy town because he saved Snarky. He was lynch bait anyway
I already said he did this because he's scum and wanted the meter to go to -4 ffs

Elaborate.

Why is TWIE living?

VOTE: farside22

Bah, I am tired of these crystal gems anyway.

These feel kinda fake to me.

As long as you are allied with a player, their Climax actions will always fail.
During the Season Finale, you may allow a player you allied with before to double their Climax Actions.

Strange, my action succeeded.

OH OKAY so it was just an action.

When did you originally claim to make that action? Really need to know the exact timeline here.

@cerb...and everyone
i could maybe buy the "far is scum after yesterday's vote" train of thought if that voting ability was used on ANY OTHER TOWN but snarky
which isnt what happened. cerb you're saying she is scum who thinks her lynch is inevitable and so decided to make the best of her pm abilities to push thru mislynches before she dies
but i think thats a blatant misrepresentation of the gamestate yesterday. in fact i think everyone in the game was warming up to her, even titus was laying off and redirecting focus elsewhere
that she'd bulldoze over all of this just when it begins to look like her lynch is no longer a thing on the table, i find hard to believe.
not only that, but to bulldoze over people's newfound trust in her, to lynch SNARKY of all people? snarky the inevitable nonsensical mislynch mastin was working hard to make happen? is that really a risk worth taking here? her hypothetical scum team stands more to lose than gain here. you have to admit that

my scum pool is twie, shadow and maybe shiro
i wont even consider a farside wagon until i see these three flip or if farside proves, once again, to be antitown enuff to warrant a PL

This feels like a WK tbh. And it doesn't really make sense because farside could win by getting points and shit.

Which I keep forgetting about. And frustrates me because we're gonna need to lynch her eventually aren't we goddamn it.

I almost wanna not lynch farside now after this post because you can fucking tell that kraska doesn't gaf if we do.

Even if there's the possibility farside22 can take over the majority of the votes?

I also can't tell if this is fearmongering or not.

Like, Creature you either think farside has a weird wincon or she doesn't. If she does who fucking cares it was a wacky setup we all go home happy cuz we had a good time. Or you think she's groupscum with the ability to quintuple vote. I don't buy this as a reason you actually think is good enough to lynch someone especially in this game.

P-Edit: Kraska you're wrong. Titus was pulling gambits yesterday to try and see if specific people would bite. Shiro was in alliance with us and can confirm that Titus said several times during the day to say nothing while she was doing something. What she said in thread yesterday doesn't at all line up with what she said in alliance, especially during the night when it was clear the -4 stress meant she was going to be dead this morning. She made it VERY clear that Farside needed to be gone, and made some other requests which we'll get to when appropriate.

Shiro can you confirm this?

my scum pool is twie, shadow and maybe shiro
i wont even consider a farside wagon until i see these three flip or if farside proves, once again, to be antitown enuff to warrant a PL

You still think I'm scum, have you bothered to read anything?

No way this slot is town btw

Talk to me about this. :d

If scum believed today was likely to end in a town lynch, why would they activate this event?

-Cerb

The time was right?
Put us on even numbers during the day?
Fuck if I know.

From what I can tell fro VCA and ISO you and your predecessors are bad town

Are you 100% sure about that?

Because I'm an idiot who got replacements the worng way round.
@MoI, sorry about flaking the chat, will try to get back in there
At this point we might as well claim it. Crystal Gems are masons. We know each others role PMs.

I would have believed "tried to throw off scum" or something like that.

We could also force farside22 to seventuple vote TWIE.

There's an idea.

@ far
Iam not so mad you power hammer Snaky asit could just of been a mistake ....and you thought you were killing scum. What makes you super anti town was you did it and told no one you were going to do it. You gave people zero chance to form alliances and get ready for the climax phase. Part of me wants to policy lynch you so bad at this point

At Kras
Shiro is town in my opinion.....TWIE and Shadow Step could be scum,

Since when do you believe in policy lynches?

vote: farside

i hate you guys for making me break my not casting a vote streak

Wow you literally haven't voted at all?

This is why we always snipe the not voting seats.

Still like a couple dozen back..

[grapes]

Almost, let's ally.

[grapes]

I'm gonna try my damn hardest to get fully up to speed tonight get stoked.

[grapes]

Twie isn't a bad lynch.

Creature while you're here you didn't answer me -- when was the first time you claimed that action everyone is on you about?

[grapes]

I'm just trying to ponder other reasonable explanations.

[grapes]

VOTE: TWIE

[grapes]

Who has kraska been aligned with in this game beside me and nc?

I think mcmenno.

[grapes]

twie/kraska/shiro

That's where I want the votes.

[grapes]

I have taken in the gamestate sufficiently.

[grapes]

twie/kraska/shiro

That's where I want the votes.

I'd love a Shiro lynch and see that flip scum after everything from day 2, but after snarky I'm twice shy about any confidence in it.

Then vote twie.

I was wrong on snarky too for a while he's tough to read wouldn't beat yourself up about it.

Shiro hasn't done anything town in over a month.

[grapes]

The cluster event already came and went.

[grapes]

I'm not hammer voting anyone till alliances are set and getting my question responded to from kraska.

I didn't say hammer him.

Okay for serious Farside. I can (and have) pointed out potential scum motivation in your actions. Anyone can say they are town. If you really want to keep having the discussion, then we should just ally and sniff each other's asses in a PT where we doing clutter up the game thread with this shit any more. If nothing else, it will save everyone else from having to deal with it, and if you are

actually

town (I will admit that it's in the possibility space), you might even find a way to convince us. I mean ... I've had a stronger case against someone before and they flipped town (Titus in Space Dandy 2) ... so I'm willing to at least give you enough benefit of the doubt to listen and re-evaluate my thinking.

What I'm not going to do is keep this non stop noise going with this back and forth with you in the main thread.

This doesn't sound like a bad idea actually.

[grapes]

We aren't lynching farside, fuzzy or creature.

I'm allying with a50 not sure about the rest of you guys.

[grapes]

I could vote creature tbh. I had q scumread there since day 2

Could wagon shiro.

But the gunsmith guilty on someone who hasn't produced a body yet seems like an okay lynch.

[grapes]

I think the teeth to the case on creature is that he claimed to action despite being allied with snarky.

Question is why does he claim an action he couldn't actually do as scum?

[grapes]

I just re-iso'd creature. The front end gave me some doubt (less town than my memory served me). But that's probably a combination of creature being a person that you really can't read by iso-ing and moreso -- read him by what he's doing in the moment that he's around and posting. A lot of his processes towards the back end feel off the cuff and resemble real thought. The frustration where applicable seems genuine, though this part is probably more null.

I don't think he looks all that bad with regards to cakes interactions BESIDES not being around at all during the time cakes' lynch was actually going through before Day 1 deadline.

I don't believe his process on his cakes read is completely unbelievable.

Because who in their right mind thought cakes wasn't getting slammed through? Might just be null cause creature wasn't around. He had every excuse to hop back onto the wagon for towncred. Cakes was getting pushed for pretty good reasons.

Why wouldn't he bus if he could?


His skybird vote day 1 might be distancing? *goes back to read progression*

Okay so this is interesting actually. Votes skybird d1 (sheeping killthestory magenta shitpost) -- later on d2 skybird is found just below titus on a townlist.

This seems scummy actually strictly because of the rabble about skybird being town by role. My working theory on that is that one scum bought into it heavily and the rest of the team probably just tiptoed around it.

Later on further into day 2 fire and mcmenno stir up some hype about skybird after I call her out on having fake reads. He votes her.

Then moves on to DGB but still hangs onto the A50/RR/Skybird dichotomy.

Question to anyone who might know; why did we have scum within that pool at that time?

Then doesn't talk about skybird much again except for a potential alliance.

Conclusion here is that; there's better lynches. But he's not quite as town as I recalled.

[grapes]

VOTE: Kraska

[grapes]

I'd rather have this conversation after you've actually looked at her iso.

[grapes]

Like if you think creature looks bad from progression with reads/interaction on flipped scum then I'd argue kraska is 10x worse.

[grapes]

I don't know I feel like I'd much rather lynch the ones who've ceased all gamesolving.

shiro/kraska/twie

Like why make it more difficult than it needs to be.

[grapes]

Why do I even bother arguing..

What's his scum strategy going into this? Bus cakes and then turn around based on some arbitrary reads or w/e?

BTW creature's a good scumhunter I think what's more likely that happens is he nailed him on having a shifty read progression on him (makes sense from a town pov because I and a lot of other people track others reads on myself as a means of reading people) but then we town heard on cakes a bit and creatures paranoia as town thinking that there's too much hype surrounding cakes (especially on day 1) and seeing cakes town up a smidge (and yea, not gonna act like cakes didn't make a decent post or two) makes him turn around; and go right to pushing other things.

Half your case on creature doesn't make sense because you think his reads were him just quoting a cakes post.

Yea, the kraska hydra has made some pretty walls here and there. That doesn't make them town.

[grapes]

And it's damning as all hell the timing which skybird actually starts to exist for them.

Like, there was a lot of discussion about her flavor/role and stuff.

They comment on that AT ALL.

Just... develop and out of the blue scumread once skybird starts to scum up.

[grapes]

They don't comment*

[grapes]

That's the thing magna; I'm not going to be able to point to an exact moment in time where skybird wasn't under the radar anymore.

Town magic works in mysterious ways.

[grapes]

I can give you a roundabout time? Like wasn't it early middle-ish Day 2? She posted that completely out of reality readslist.

[grapes]

No not really. It's every that they've done this game as a whole.

I'm just trying out different little somethings to see if it's worth arguing with you about it and it clearly isn't.

There's too many distractions in this game to properly push a lynch on scum.

[grapes]

Almost why do you think creature is scum?

Would you vote kraska?

[grapes]

Your reads are bad.

[grapes]

What can I do to help.

[grapes]

Nothing I've said the last few pages has gotten through to you at all?

Or are you just so far gone into confirmation bias land on creature like magna that you're also a brick wall?

Creature is a mislynch.

[grapes]

I'd lynch em both if I could.

[grapes]

What exactly has Creature said or done that makes him town to you?

Body of work.

[grapes]

@Almost -- This is what you're sheeping right?

VOTE: SirCakez

It doesn't make sense for you to whiteknight me and then put me as "perfect null"

This is absolutely correct … it didn’t make sense. At this point the only other vote on SirCakez is Snarky. So a pretty safe distancing vote.

Says he wants to lynch Cakez at 1096. Has not actually tried to engage Cakez between his vote and this point. And more generic fluff about Cakez “playing like he did in TTH” at 1131.

Yet he unvotes at 1403 after Cakez posts 1403. That isn’t a post that should have Creature unvoting saying “Ok, you are Town”. Not in the least. Read Cakez’s post. It is pretty much an empty “here are some very generic reasons why I shuffled people around on my readslist” post.

How Foxbird and Skybird are town?

And a classic distancing post from Skybird here. Read his ISO for yourself but’s he’s said absolutely nothing to this point about Skybird being scummy.

Yet his next “scum reads list” at 1924 doesn’t have Skybird anywhere on it – Xk, Shiro, RR, DGB.

Creature drops another distancing vote (this time for Skybird) at 2314. The important point to note here is that Cakez is the leading wagon. And Skybird has exactly one other vote – the vote from KTS that Creature sheeped.

By 2731 SirCakez’s wagon has jumped back up to 10 votes. And despite having said nothing since 1405 about SirCakez he makes a pretty obvious bus vote in this post.

SirCakez fake-claims and suddenly he hops right back off at 2770. Pretty classic “Maybe my partner’s fake-claim will save him” move. Which clearly didn’t work.

So at the end of Day 1 he’s distanced from both flipped non-Traitor scum. At least to my eyes it is pretty clear.

Titus nails this back in 3273 seeing exactly what I am seeing.

At 5734 he posts a reads list that Skybird (remember the player he scoffed at being Town Day 1 and had no interactions with after that point to this post) in his “Strong Town” list. And despite having Mathblade in the second tier (aka weak Town reads) votes Math at 5937 with sheeping Titus as the reason. Terrible, terrible vote if he’s Town. Makes perfect sense as scum.

Updated reads

Town: Fire, Not Chara, mastin, grapes, farside
Nulltown: Yume, Creature, Klingon, A50, CoolDog
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Foxbird, Skybird, Seraphim, Random, TWIE, Shiro, DGB
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky
Scum: Mcmenno, Obi

Special slot who gets their own corner because I can't read them = reasonably rational

Compare this list to 5734. Note that Skybird goes from “Strong Town” to Null with absolutely not interaction and even commenting on Skybird in-between. Pretty strong sign his reads are being manufactured since he’s scum.

Creature ends Day 2 on the Math mislynch. Note who wasn’t on his reads list at 5969. That’s right, Math.

MoI has the habit of attacking me, so I better be ready.

I’ve mentioned this earlier but wanted it quoted here – this post put me on alert for Creature specifically because the pre-emptive nature of the post. To me it is meant to say “If MoI suspects me he always does” which for the record is not true.

And important factor about Day 3 I’d also like to point out – here are all the mentions of Random during this day (which is the Day he ostensibly decided to investigate him at Climax) –

There are exactly none. So ask yourself – does Town who has an investigative role decide to not investigate a claimed scum read (Like, for instance, RR or Almost since Skybird was about to be killed by Xk) over someone they’d never mentioned at all? Especially when both claimed scum reads were harder to lynch players and random is basically slotted himself as a lack-of-activity easy vote? The answer is – no.

Other posts of note –

Another distancing Skybird vote at 7165. Still no interactions and clearly Skybird was under no pressure the Beach-a-palooza day.

Don't worry, he's just flailing as he'll be lynched like the others in RR/Almost/Skybird.

Voting anywhere other than farside22, DGB and RR/Almost/Skybird should be a scum tell.

Another distancing post from Skybird.

Which alliance should I join? Xkfyu/Shadow_step or Skybird/TheFuzzylogic99?

Why is this not a Town post you say? Why should he even be debating whether to ally with Skybird if she is scum as opposed to two non-scum reads in XK and Shadow?

So I’ve just summarized all the ways Creature’s posts Day 1-3 make perfect sense as a partner lightly distancing from non-Traitor scum.

More Creature votes please!!!!

What in here couldn't be classified as confirmation bias and not easily swung the other way to display town-motive?

His best point is under post #5969, and that isn't even a post creature made.

[grapes]

Do we all have allies?

Because I'm about ready for a twie flip.

[grapes]

Well done gang!

[grapes]

Could lynch shiro probably maybe.

I don't feel particularly strongly about any reads at the moment.

[grapes]

Almost and I got an alliance.

[grapes]

What's funny is it looks like scum thought they were lynching scum just looking at that by itself.

[grapes]

lol get wrecked

[grapes]

See guys some shit like that is something I'll probably end up pursing. Scum motive is pretty obvious for lying about why you've stayed ambiguous on all your role stuff especially coupling the lie w/ how shiro seems to have ended up not in an alliance + hasn't really made that much of an effort to make sure that that doesn't happen.

Creature's thing the scum motive literally doesn't exist. Scum wouldn't claim to have done something that didn't actually happen somehow, not to mention after the fact.

[grapes]

Okay nevermind back to mehscum on shiro.

[grapes]

I disagree with the grapes "Creature has no scum motive" but that can be hashed out today.

All I'm sayin' is that it looked like shiro claimed something to do with his role at a glance and lying about that is scummier than claiming an action that could be blatantly called out as bullshit by anyone paying attention at all.

Unless you think it's a thing he would have HAD to claim eventually.

[grapes]

When you lay it out like that..

[grapes]

I need to be in an alliance to use my vig ability.... I think I was blocked bc someone prob thought I might kill the wrong person,,,,,,,

My event was are "you in there Steven. "

Did you submit kraska as your ally to the mod?

[grapes]

anime is mostly trash

more often than not ill watch a cartoon and ill like it

maybe im weird

[grapes]

What are all the unclaimed events so far?

[grapes]

Or what events have happened that nobody took responsibility for yet I should say.

Besides the obvious ones.

[grapes]

@Cerb
Who do you think is scum?

[grapes]

Okay, maybe I underestimated SU.

It seems like an awesome show that I'll probably never have time to watch at this rate.
The bright side is I can pretend this game is all original flavor and buff the experience.

[grapes]

What are all the unclaimed events so far?

And are you guys really gonna make me dig for this?

Somebody is keeping tabs on shit right?

[grapes]

@Cerb
Who do you think is scum?

[grapes]

@Cerb
Who do you think is scum?

Without doing any analysis accounting for twies flip, Creature/Farside. I need to look at the wagons yesterday and see if there was an opportunity for farside to hammer creature and spare TWIE to determine whether such a team is even possible. After them are kraska/shadow/fuzzy, who all have weak reason to be considered more likely town than not.

Creature might be scum.
Dunno why you're still caught up on farside, though.
How's the alliance going?

When did you decide to trust the gems?

What's the cliffs for why you think the other three are town and where does shiro fall for you?

[grapes]

Already watched Death Note, anything else?

What kinda shows do you enjoy?

[grapes]

More like Kraska though you might vig the right person and didn't send your name.

VOTE: kraska

Can you explain this better?

[grapes]

That's an insanely swingy role but meh varsoon game.

[grapes]

In a three person lylo I become mod confirmed town

Everyone, are you safe with this?

What do you mean by "safe"?

[grapes]

Who is scum again, shadow? Shiro and who?

He's voting for you.

[grapes]

I'm not going to take kraska's claim at face value if that's what you're asking creature.

[grapes]

But then, would Varsoon give an unbelievable fakeclaim?

Probably not.

But that doesn't stop people from improvising.

[grapes]

Mastin, are you a gem?

[grapes]

Why would you use your ability thing on me?

[grapes]

What about me fuzz?

[grapes]

Yo kraska please answer my question; why were you considering using your ability thing on me specifically?

[grapes]

what is there to explain? i think ure the only strong town player here who has a healthy perspective of the game(readjusting reads whenever new information comes up and so on) and other than u thinking im scum, i agree with ur reads for the most part. i know u wouldnt push for lynches on fuzzy or creature(who are being set-up as future mislynches right now)...atleast not while shiro's still around

Flattery will get you everywhere

Also when you have a role that alters other people's roles why does what their reads are and competency factor in and not what they've claimed already? Like why not hook up someone like shadow who you already know doesn't have an event? Or someone who's already used theirs?

I'm also weird on the "you've got good reads but they're also malleable to new information"
Seems disingenuous because you literally emo posted after I voted you yesterday and I've been coming around on voting creature.

When exactly were you contemplating using this? Let's iron out the timelines.

Why do you think creature's town?

[grapes]

What are we waiting on?
Am I good to vote kraska?

[grapes]

Lovely.

Once this game is over I will be making a my first MD thread relevant to this.

[grapes]

Yea scum knew DGB was probably traitor fairly early on. About the time she claimed traitor I'd imagine.

[grapes]

I also don't really care who I ally with if someone would like to just let me know.

[grapes]

VOTE: Kraska

That's L-3/4. Thought there were more votes.

[grapes]

Grapes – Want to ally?

Down.

[grapes]

So?? Who am I to submit as an ally?? I don't mind going w/o one either, seeing as I have nothing to offer in terms of alliance bonuses.

Shiro?

[grapes]

Check as far as what?

pedit: I'm not sure creature -- most people think you're scum and I really liked the idea of a shadow/fuzzy duo. Because I can see those two ironing out there differences and I don't trust fuzzy with a vig by himself he already shot fire apparently.

[grapes]

what's your flavor?

[grapes]

Long time no see guys. Very pressed for gametime this week.

Coming into today I think creature's the right play and I did end up in an alliance with magna.

I want to look things over because I'm not confident creature flips scum and even if he does; I don't have an obvious place to look as far as a partner goes and that just isn't acceptable at this point.

[grapes]

Yea I'm coasting

and also

have a 3 page iso.
Good jokes guys.

[grapes]

Writing off shadow for being in an alliance with skybird is dumb because farside set those two up pregame.
It isn't like they went out of their way to ally together.

Now if sky made an effort to try for someone different then maybe.

[grapes]

@Shadow
POE

I could be a scum vig but I am not,,,,,,,,


Not shooting MOI or Random.....I am prob not shooting anyone tonight as I don't have a sure shot

You could be a scumvig ...

...

...

Tell me more.

[grapes]

Started reading up from day start -- no idea why there wasn't a kill.

With so many protective in the game, I'd be surprised if scum don't have a vig.

Yea you know that doom cannon thing that killed yume? That was a scum dayvig.

[grapes]

For me to be scum you have to assume scum were making ultra sub optimal plays with a powerful PR of theirs. Kind of like rolecopping your own buddy as scum.

Not even within the same ballpark. You're talking about private actions you can change at the drop of a hat vs. actions that need to be coordinated publicly within a short time frame.

To supplement; I've seen skybird roleblock confirmed town as town before.

[grapes]

it seems so hard to believe that this was an all town wagon......

Why?

[grapes]

Why are people so adamnt that there are two scum left opposed to my theory of 1 scum left ?

Cuz flavor right? There's 6 of those red dudes.

[grapes]

There's no amount of town credibility (especially in a game where the mod warns the game that scum had their town claims and events/abilities made before the town roles so that they would have very believable fake claims) that is worth giving town that much PoE power, objectively speaking.

What scum have we actually lynched so far as a result of your beach thing?

[grapes]

Shiro is probably the best vig shot but I owe him an iso dive first.

pedit: Falls apart when all the flipped scum so far weren't playing the game day 1 believe I've said this a few times.

[grapes]

Okay, apparently scum tried to kill farside22.

I'm not sure why.
That's the part that bugs me.
Moi, random and mastin are practically confirmed town.

Tfl has proven to kill with the fire shot claim.

I've been lynched once and accused of scum conspiring from rr and Titus.

They think you've got a third party wincon and are close to achieving it?
There's consensus on not lynching you anymore?

[grapes]

This creature lynch feels forced and apathetic as fuck.

[grapes]

Somebody had to say it.

[grapes]

Maston
Far
MOI
Random

Almost
Creature
Shadow
RR
Grapes
Shiro

Tell me these aren't actually your reads man.

[grapes]

This actually makes sense. Farside keeps changing her story too many times.

Do you think lynchproof+deathproof makes sense as a town role?

Ew.

You think that makes as a scumrole? Did we also forget the 5-voter?

[grapes]

I cam see why you might have an objection to Far
What is your reads,,,,,,,

I'm still kinda getting back into the groove of things. I don't object to far. I'm mostly just curious on the order of your non-confirmed and if they're actually in an order there.

The people who I'm interested in looking into when I've got more time are shiro and shadow.

[grapes]

Fuzzy I'm still interested in the order on your scumreads w/ reasons don't dodge me again.

Creature, why do you think shadow's scum?

[grapes]

MoI

You and random won't die, ever.

Scum will waste a turn if they kill you since they can endgame both of you.

Nails on a chalkboard.

[grapes]

Honestly given what you have posted in our PT I find this an odd response.

Yea I keep changing my mind. Creature's only really a good lynch in my mind because essentially the entire game thinks he's scum but calling out the thread on how forced the lynch actually is isn't odd it's the fact of the matter. I mean let's be fair people are trying to push it like there's a guilty on him when farside isn't even voting creature to my memory.

Also considering I was in the midst of explaining to you why shadows deathtunnel on him is fake; if shadow flips scum do you believe that would be a bus?

[grapes]

VOTE: Shadow

Magna explain why you sticking me in an alliance with 2 scumfucks.

[grapes]

Almost / Fuzzy / RR
Grapes / Shadow / Shiro
Leaving mastin, myself, random and farside out. I’d lean to a farside / myself / Random Alliance leaving mastin without an ally.

mastin and grapes

– these work for you?

Fine by me.
VOTE: Creature.

Keep forgetting to ask; why are you townreading shadow?

[grapes]

Not really down for letting farside win for a couple reasons;
I'd rather win.
If someone let me win I wouldn't feel like I won.
She's pretty much helping town at this point.

[grapes]

Got it....... what if I miss tonight
I don't want to get lynched tomorrow bc I was pressured into making a shot that was poor. I only get 1 shot per season.
I will take the shot if yall really want but I rather wait till I get a better chance to hit my target

If we lynch creature and he flips town, shoot shadow and use capslock super bold tags.
If we lynch shadow and he flips scum, shoot shiro with capslock super bold tags.

Let me know if you agree disagree with this.

[grapes]

Creature says this and not long after there is a McMenno wagon out of nowhere

Scum usually wins Large Theme because there are often a bunch of lynchbaits and scum likes to kill players who put a lot of effort into the game leaving who doesn't want to do anything to LyLo.

Farside starts the wagon

Good, we can start with McMenno, he has a history of lurking a lot in scum games.

Sure

Vote: McMenno

Come on scum fire.

Followed by a vote by Fb on McMenno

Then farside immediately switches back to SC

Just reread McMenno after obi comment I'd go with Shiro in a heartbeat as a lurk sack.

Oh well.

Back to watching the fading wagon on sir cakez.

Vote: sir cakez

I don't see any reason for scum! farside to move off from a potentially growing McMenno wagon to bus her buddy SC.

Creature immediately jumping on the mcmenno wagon

VOTE: McMenno

SC is next on the wagon like a fat kid on the cake.
This sure as hell doesn't look like a bus. Plus reading early interactions(allying phase) between SC and McMenno doesn't look like s v s at all.

Oh neat a McMenno wagon
I've been interested in this wagon for forever, and Obi soft-defending him makes me feel even better about it

VOTE: McMenno

also grapes you don't need to explain your NC scumread anymore fyi

^ for Cakez

Okay, you're town.

VOTE: Obi-Wannabe

This is terrible, what in that read list made you think Sc is town?

I mostly just have a list of players I am peeved at but I think TheWayItEnds stands out as good scumread material.

Vote: TheWayItEnds

Votes lurker slot,

gets pressured by people for reasoning, says this

I am voting TWIE because currently he hits the profile for likely lurker scum. Not my strongest scumread as someone seems to have inferred from my vote, but the one I want to vote at this juncture in the game.

___

Actually you are totally right about Xkfyu. randommidget has yet to post during D1 and TWIE's posts are pretty shit in general.

Unvote
Vote: Xkfyu

(TWIE's posts are pretty shit in general but let me vote Xk for no reason)

____

Unvote
Vote: McMenno

McMenno vs SirCakez, I prefer McMenno.
Mastin, why do you think McMenno is town? I am really interested.

When I have more time, I will iso Not Chara. They have posted an awful lot so it's hard for me to get a lock; I want to delve deep into their mind and play to get the understanding I want.

I prefer McMenno, why?
Don't wanna lynch my buddy cakes.

Literally within the first 10 posts shadow makes.
What's shadow's reads today? 5000 posts later?
Fuzzy and creature are designated mislynches.

[grapes]

Guys let's lynch shadow feels like a scumflip.

[grapes]

Careful to quote timers like that cuz they'll just stand still and people might get screwed up if we stay on this page too long.

[grapes]

.. !!

I realize you're certain creature is scum and we're a long way into the game and that's a flip you've been wanting to see for a while.

If I made a case on shadow_step would you consider voting him? You're literally calling him town because mastin thinks he's town.

[grapes]

We have like 3ish days. Maybe a creature flip wakes up half the game and we start curing some of this apathy but a mislynch is a mislynch.

I'd really like for some people to refresh on shadow and shiro as well.

The number one reason why I think a lot of you are writing off shadow is because he would have to be a goon or w/e. But the utility of a goon that can confirm itself as goon is right in the name.

[grapes]

Doubt town would wake up after they mislynch someone tunneled since Day 5.

We will. Kraska lynch is what woke me up. That and taking a vacation from this game for a week or so.

Shadow scum flip gives you a town-case, though. Which is about the same result except we don't waste a mislynch.

I'm just terrible at explaining reads sometimes.

[grapes]

Preflips are the shit if know what you're doing.

[grapes]

Furthermore, all 3 "other lynch candidates of mine" are voting Shadow,

See like this kind of preflips are the ones I try and stay away from because it assumes you're right about too many things.

[grapes]

Random challenge time:

Someone who can iso shiro and quote a post where he's gamesolving will have my vote proxy'd to them until endgame.

[grapes]

My understanding was that farside blocked creature and there wasn't a scumkill. I don't get how that's a guilty, particularly in this setup. Or why a scumteam with creature on it would have him submit the kill -- but that's more of an aside.

If farside's bulletproof, there's an explanation for why the kill's missing that isn't because he was roleblocked.
There have been other nights without a scumkill iirc.

Also, thought shadow was pretty high up on your poe?

[grapes]

Right now we're idling afraid to step into an interesting chapter of this game. I understand that fear.

We're taking the safe way out and just shoving through a lynch on a lynchbait player because there's a "guilty" and letting the game drive itself which is one a shame and two hurting not only our chances to win but the game as a whole.

Maybe I'm wrong. Heck, the thought that shadow/creature could be a bus popped into my head once or twice but I doubt it.
Tinfoiled a bit earlier about fuzzy just being an SK. Which would explain the lack of scumkill for real because he'd probably be bp if sk and I can see scum shooting a claimed vig who cc'd scum more than a leftover/point person or w/e farside actually is; this would also explain why people are pushing him despite producing a body.

I dunno maybe I suck but even if creature's scum who's his buddy?

I refreshed checked some isos after forgetting a lot of things; just decided to chill back and skim/scumhunt the first 1000 posts or so and got some very good clarity like, I dunno just feel really comfortable with my reads at present.

[grapes]

What if one of us claims whether we targeted farside22 or not?

I don't think anyone's going to claim that.

[grapes]

Some players are skimming my post I see.
My rb doesn't not stop factional kills.
I said that 3 fucking times.
When I'm targeted to blocks everything including kills.

Which means creature is probably town. Or at least this makes half the votes on him no longer valid.
Do you know for sure when you get hit?

[grapes]

Alliances?

I know for me it kinda depends who we lynch.

[grapes]

Drixx you're kinda missing the point here; you voted creature for being roleblocekd the night we're missing a kill, I'm assuming that's becaues you think creature submitted a kill and it failed.

We now know that it was a pansy-block that couldn't stop kills AND ALSO that the scum kill was probably eaten by farsides bulletproof. It's just as likely for creature to have put a kill in as anyone else fmpov.

And I don't think farside would lie for no reason either.

[grapes]

And like I understand we're just arguing order at this point but it's the principle.

[grapes]

No you fucking aren't.

[grapes]

I did not pour my soul into this game for 4 months to get badvig'd.

Shoot yourself.

[grapes]

Can we hold off on the hammer for a bit, and also make sure you preserve the hammer for our slot, so we can make sure there's no way he can escape from the lynch. I don't see any reason why he would have put on that whole song and dance unless there was some benefit to him getting lynched today.

-Cerb

Are you even an actual person?

[grapes]

I did not vig bc it was part of the plan

What plan? I told you to SHOOT FUCKING SHADOW STEP.

IN CAPSLOCK BOLD TAGS.

[grapes]

I'm done with mafia forever.

This game ends in some fruity third party bullshit win 90% guaranteed.

We policy lynched a kid who had better reads than half the people left alive.

[grapes]

It's truly sickening.

What's worse is that I actually gave a fuck for some reason.

[grapes]

@Fuzzy

Vig the shit out of RR.

[grapes]

@grapes: when have you shown much caring? Instances of your involvement have been few and far between. What third party bullshit are you concerned about?

-Cerb

You're either a robot or scum.
Or both.

[grapes]

@Fuzzy

Vig the shit out of RR.

So you don't miss it this time.

[grapes]

I'm a little bit frustrated and am going to stop posting for a while.

[grapes]

And grapes has, since the D1 lynch, been coasting. grapes hasn't given a single major push since then. There was white knighting of Creature, but that only materialized after the lynch on Creature was already inevitable.

Everyone's coasted a bit. My coasting hasn't always been a thing I wanted to do, if you know what I mean. Believe I pushed kraska and was pushing a scum lynch just last day.

It's not a white knight when I laid out why the lynch was bullshit and you read eod; depending on who's scum here there was a shot drixx voted shadow and almost hammered. Nothing's inevitable everything's live until the thread is locked.

What's this with talking about rr gamesolving? Do you mean sk-hunting and scumposting?
Who do you think puts the idea to vig me into fuzzy's head?

hey if you want to lynch me.... lynch me tomorrow/ We have a confess scum that needs to die.

I would not say my play is scummy just a bit erratic ....but everything seems different when you are looking from your own eyes as opposed to someone else.

As I said it doesn't matter who I vig ....the plan being we lynch Shadow. If the game does not end we have one scum left. I vig from the list. If I hit game over ..... if not we lynch tomorrow and that's should be game.

Your play has been scummy, fuzzy. You've borderline scumslipped on more than one occasion and I really have not a clue why you haven't shot anything since firebringer. But I want to believe it's easy.

Why do you think I'm scum?

I'm not really sure what it is about me wanting to make sure the lynch on shadow is successful makes me a robot?

Why do you assume I was talking about you calling for the hammer?

[grapes]

You guys realize that a50 went off the deep end because he thought fuzzy was shooting last night correct? That's what I thought as well.
RR's plan was to have him not shoot last night, just to clear some confusion.

Magna and random -- was this part of the plan run by you guys at all?

[grapes]

@RR:

Don't used up 1-shot abilities get refunded on Season Finales???

And as for TFL, who says he's a "Vig" to begin with? Look at when and hoe claimed that. TWIE was caught and trying to BS his way out of a guilty with that same claim. TFL didn't speak up. When things got heated and it looked like TWIE was going to eat rope sooner or later; what better way to get Town-cred than to counter him at this point and bus?? TWIE was going down anyway at that point.

Now who shot Firebringer? I have NO IDEA. This is a Varsoon game. Everything looks illogical UNTIL we actually see the setup and things get revealed. I stop trying to setup spec Varsoon games (and Skullduggery's) for that reason. The point is: Had TFL actually killed someone last night he would've been confirmed to -at least- have a separate "vig" shot. He didn't, so it's more likely he doesn't.

OH nevermind I see what you guys are talking about.

[grapes]

Fuzzy's probably town.

We should kill farside if we can I think. Lynch a50/rr tomorrow.

[grapes]

I'm right there with you fuzzy.

[grapes]

RR's plans yesterday were pretty much all run by me to check the logic. Magna wasn't involved yesterday except from in the game thread.

We really fucked up the communication there man. I had a case on shadow. I'll never get playing safe.

Let's start to put our differences aside and figure this out together.

[grapes]

Here is the million dollar question.
If tfl vig isn't garenteed and he shots me and it fails how many people will lynch tfl over the player trying to save scum today?
I have to ask because from my POV everyone has some moon logic vision that just looks devoid of actually lynching scum.

That's the thing we only want him to shoot you if it's gonna be a guaranteed thing.

[grapes]

I'm pretty on board with A50 being the last red now.

My nightmare is trusting rr and then fuzzy not flipping shadow tonight.

[grapes]

I think that there was a no kill bc the last scum was inactive which points to Grapes

Except that I posted in the newbie game I'm modding (just finished) ?

Anyway, there hasn't been a scum kill on a lot of nights.

I don't remember anything about planning on lynching almost either ... there's things here and there but I haven't touched his iso for a while.

[grapes]

Almost, why are you voting me?

[grapes]

I'm caught up now. 11491 is a good post. mastin is making very good arguments as well but 11524 in particular is a must read.

Last day was pretty confusing. Almost went literally insane, I told fuzzy to vig rr and he didn't listen but to be fair I kinda thought almost was scummy for pushing fuzzy as sk (or whatever he was on about) which was forgivable if you were expecting a kill like I said but the extent he went with it was like... calm down man.

Didn't even know almost had an investigation ability?

@Almost

- What kind of results do you get and are they even useful at all?

Not quite sure how he wouldn't have gotten a result either.
Options here are he's lying (probably not) or he was roleblocked or he just hasn't heard back from varsoon yet.


Also got around to looking at some votecounts and we've all been missing something glaringly obvious.

Spoiler:

VOTECOUNT 1.01

Reasonably Rational (2):

grapes, Firebringer

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Xkfyu

Not Voting (21):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Farside22, Yume, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, mastin2, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, McMenno, Seraphim, SnarkySnowman, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

Start out with a town-driven wagon on RR. This isn't rvs because fire and I both had scumreads on RR based on pregame content, my case was made later.

VOTECOUNT 1.02

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes, Firebringer, McMenno

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Xkfyu

Not Chara (2):

mastin2, Yume

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

Farside22

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (15):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, Seraphim, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

menno hops on, rr is still town driven. And a few mislead counterwagons.

VOTECOUNT 1.05

Not Chara (5):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50, grapes

Reasonably Rational (3):

Firebringer, McMenno, DrippingGoofball

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

Creature, Farside22

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

SnarkySnowman (1):

Xkfyu (1):

Seraphim

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

grapes (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

This about where chara and I start an epic Tvt. Drippinggoofball sheeps my case and at this point it's still clean because she can only guess who her buds are.

VOTECOUNT 1.07

McMenno (5):

CooLDoG, Firebringer, SirCakez, Seraphim, Almost50

Not Chara (4):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Reasonably Rational (3):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, Creature

SirCakez (2):

Not Chara, mastin2

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, Farside22

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

Two hefty-sized scum-sheeped counter-wagons on Earth-aligned players. Creature joins the rr wagon here still town-driven.

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

mastin and farside join. No scum interest at all so far.

VOTECOUNT 1.12

SirCakez (7):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume, grapes, Shiro

Shiro (4):

Farside22, Skybird, Almost50

Skybird (2):

killthestory, Creature

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Seraphim

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Klingoncelt (1)

Firebringer

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

Fizzles out a few votecounts until here where it straight up disappears.

Now what's interesting about that isn't what you probably think, like that normally would lend some credence to scum aborting a bus but that falls apart when you read the tl;dr which is ...

All the traction on rr looks like this in total (from least to most opportunistic);
{grapes, firebringer, Mcmenno, DrippingGoofball, Creature, mastin2, farside22}
All Town.

Fucking spooky. Especially when you consider nobody really argued against the wagon except snarkysnowman might've had a tr there just off the top of my head but other than that the disappearance was town just moving onto lynch more obvious scum in sircakes.

The constituencies are remarkably similar besides shiro (who's now confirmed-town), Not chara (who had a scumread on RR) and Obi-wan (who would later become titus, someone that rr went out of their way to pocket)

It's the wagon that got away, and it makes perfect sense to have 2 heavily town-driven wagons on scum day one where town was driving the thread in absolution.

Let's check out Day 2 now.

VOTECOUNT 2.03

Reasonably Rational (6):

grapes, DrippingGoofball, McMenno, Yume, mastin2, Skybird

Shiro (2):

Creature, Farside22

Farside22 (2):

randomidget, Obi-Wan Kenobi

DrippingGoofball (1):

Klingoncelt

Twin Wings (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (11):

Twin Wings, Xkfyu, Almost50, Shiro, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, Not Chara, killthestory, TheFuzzylogic99, SnarkySnowman, TheWayItEnds

With 23 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.

Skybird.

What's interesting about skybird here?
It's the bus vote.

I think Mastin is worth sheeping.

VOTE: RR

It's the kinda vote you make when you're like "oh shit I totally ignored my buddy getting runup day 1 I need to make up for it now oh why oh why didn't all this interest go away!

OK, caught up a little more this morning but still on page 155.

I'm not seeing RR as scum so much. I originally sheeped Mastin because of Cakez, and she has posted that she doesn't want people doing that. My thoughts on it are that I do see some of the points people are making against them, but I also understand not addressing things in absolutes right now because the game is still pretty young. (Sorry if I'm not being clear, I'm going be late for work if I don't get out of here. I'll answer questions when I get home.)

UNVOTE: RR

And then to the part where she's like "oh awesome it's not gonna get anymore steam, let me just help kill the traction after scouting out the wagon for 600 posts.

I know right. Seems pretty obvious looking at it now.

RR hasn't scumhunted at all this game. (inb4 that's just our meta or we totally have! no, death tunneling farside and 11205 isn't what I would pass as gamesolving).

Kinda also don't really think almost is scum. Comparatively he thinks I could be scum here, and while as wrong (and flattering) as that is, it's better than the hydra who hasn't ever given a read on me this game unless it's to omgus. What's more, his logic that rr wouldn't be scum in a position to not ever win is flawed because this town kicks ass.



pedit: Almost the thing with TWIE confirming skybird shot me is wine from everyone else's perspective, nothing more and nothing less I haven't even acknowledged it because it means literally nothing and I'm not gonna flaunt about how I make perfect sense as the N1 kill because that's arrogant and there isn't really a need to.

Furthermore there's a lot to gain for RR advocating and then also

delaying

the farside vig. She wasn't in the lynchpool, it's a win for them as scum to have her die by town hands at any point.

[grapes]

VOTE: RR

[grapes]

We are lynching RR today and Grapes is eating lead tonight........
That's the plan

there is no reason not to go with this plan unless you think I am scum.........

Who are you shooting if RR flips scum?
That's the interesting question.

[grapes]

Hey almost, how about you respond to my catch up post.

I'm firmly in the 1 threat to earth left club. I just think it would be interesting if the game didn't end after we removed all of them, that's all. : p

[grapes]

Like fuzzy just based on almost spouting 7 scum paranoia at this point is enough to make him a better vig shot than me.

Kinda comes down to who we think in rr/almost is the bad town and I could quote the post that shows it's an obvious choice, but I'll spare diminishing almost's reputation further.

[grapes]

I wanna know why you're getting hung up on not getting a result worded to you the same way and are trying to twist that like it means you were redirected and not that it was just worded a different way.

And also what your action does? Now that I'm reading your post it looks like you can tell if someone actioned or not at night.

First; have you asked varsoon about why there was a wording difference.
Then two, you can explain to me where a redirector comes in here, given we haven't really seen evidence of one.
And then third how you being redirected makes you think I'm scum to start with.

[grapes]

I've been obvtown all game. Twie either didn't really think confirming that would mean anything, or thought you all would drown in wine over it. Look what happened.

[grapes]

And there's also the fact that I had no idea chara was a doc.

And; where's the other justification behind what happened to the kill?

You think scum no-kills for no reason?

[grapes]

Like I'm being very generous when I say that we should drop speculation of that and just read me by play.

Very, very generous.

[grapes]

Almost is still talking to me he's town.
RR's begun to flail viciously.

[grapes]

Sky was already dead at that point.

[grapes]

I have a fetish for naked votes, I'm sorry.

[grapes]

Oh wait, no I'm not.

[grapes]

Fuzzy if you're town then an RR/Almost lynch/death is a town win.

Both of there pushes on me are bad to the point where it's almost a scumclaim but not quite.

[grapes]

*their

[grapes]

Let me die like a man tomorrow if I'm wrong.

[grapes]

Random did you miss my smoking gun last page? In the spoiler?

No mystery why the who are still alive are still alive right now.

[grapes]

*the people who are

[grapes]

I'm like L-2 btw.

Bad town gonna bad.

RR literal just omgus'd me after I dropped a smoking gun on them. Took me 3 hours to go through votecounts.

Nobody gives a fuck.

No gamesolving.

[grapes]

Like could random be scum?

Those last 2 posts were fucking bad.

[grapes]

Like to the point where he should quit mafia.

[grapes]

"But they were so town in the hood where they can suck my dick without fear of pissing anyone else off"

-Most of the scum and bad town this game

[grapes]

Even if you're pocketed by rr why me over almost? Or fuzzy who you've acknowledged is only trying to take vig shots that go against the wishes of confirmed town?

Let's not phone it in at the homestretch.

[grapes]

Read my posts.

[grapes]

Random you have such a slappable avatar rn.

[grapes]

I'm wasting my breath actually.

bbl

[grapes]

@Almost

I've been obvtown all game. Twie either didn't really think confirming that would mean anything, or thought you all would drown in wine over it. Look what happened.

So you're saying Scum!TWIE confirmed Sky being Scum for shits and giggles?

Sky was already dead at that point.

Don't ignore a man who's trying to have a conversation with you.
Now, I was gonna ignore this as you just forgetting how shit went down or not reading. (it's a big game)

But you dropping that point and then moving on to exponentially weaker ones is making me scratch my head here.

I'm not the one flailing here. I was trying to get random to realize just how bad his play has been but he literally doesn't care. Done talking to him.
Your tunnel on me came out of left field

You need to get with varsoon about why your wording was different. And tell me how anything RR has done since I dropped my case on them (or anything at all this game for that matter) looks town.

[grapes]

I'm caught up now. 11491 is a good post. mastin is making very good arguments as well but 11524 in particular is a must read.

Last day was pretty confusing. Almost went literally insane, I told fuzzy to vig rr and he didn't listen but to be fair I kinda thought almost was scummy for pushing fuzzy as sk (or whatever he was on about) which was forgivable if you were expecting a kill like I said but the extent he went with it was like... calm down man.

Didn't even know almost had an investigation ability?

@Almost

- What kind of results do you get and are they even useful at all?

Not quite sure how he wouldn't have gotten a result either.
Options here are he's lying (probably not) or he was roleblocked or he just hasn't heard back from varsoon yet.


Also got around to looking at some votecounts and we've all been missing something glaringly obvious.

Spoiler:

VOTECOUNT 1.01

Reasonably Rational (2):

grapes, Firebringer

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Xkfyu

Not Voting (21):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Farside22, Yume, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, mastin2, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, McMenno, Seraphim, SnarkySnowman, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

Start out with a town-driven wagon on RR. This isn't rvs because fire and I both had scumreads on RR based on pregame content, my case was made later.

VOTECOUNT 1.02

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes, Firebringer, McMenno

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Xkfyu

Not Chara (2):

mastin2, Yume

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

Farside22

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (15):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, Seraphim, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

menno hops on, rr is still town driven. And a few mislead counterwagons.

VOTECOUNT 1.05

Not Chara (5):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50, grapes

Reasonably Rational (3):

Firebringer, McMenno, DrippingGoofball

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

Creature, Farside22

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

SnarkySnowman (1):

Xkfyu (1):

Seraphim

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

grapes (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

This about where chara and I start an epic Tvt. Drippinggoofball sheeps my case and at this point it's still clean because she can only guess who her buds are.

VOTECOUNT 1.07

McMenno (5):

CooLDoG, Firebringer, SirCakez, Seraphim, Almost50

Not Chara (4):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Reasonably Rational (3):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, Creature

SirCakez (2):

Not Chara, mastin2

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, Farside22

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

Two hefty-sized scum-sheeped counter-wagons on Earth-aligned players. Creature joins the rr wagon here still town-driven.

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

mastin and farside join. No scum interest at all so far.

VOTECOUNT 1.12

SirCakez (7):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume, grapes, Shiro

Shiro (4):

Farside22, Skybird, Almost50

Skybird (2):

killthestory, Creature

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Seraphim

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Klingoncelt (1)

Firebringer

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.

Fizzles out a few votecounts until here where it straight up disappears.

Now what's interesting about that isn't what you probably think, like that normally would lend some credence to scum aborting a bus but that falls apart when you read the tl;dr which is ...

All the traction on rr looks like this in total (from least to most opportunistic);
{grapes, firebringer, Mcmenno, DrippingGoofball, Creature, mastin2, farside22}
All Town.

Fucking spooky. Especially when you consider nobody really argued against the wagon except snarkysnowman might've had a tr there just off the top of my head but other than that the disappearance was town just moving onto lynch more obvious scum in sircakes.

The constituencies are remarkably similar besides shiro (who's now confirmed-town), Not chara (who had a scumread on RR) and Obi-wan (who would later become titus, someone that rr went out of their way to pocket)

It's the wagon that got away, and it makes perfect sense to have 2 heavily town-driven wagons on scum day one where town was driving the thread in absolution.

Let's check out Day 2 now.

VOTECOUNT 2.03

Reasonably Rational (6):

grapes, DrippingGoofball, McMenno, Yume, mastin2, Skybird

Shiro (2):

Creature, Farside22

Farside22 (2):

randomidget, Obi-Wan Kenobi

DrippingGoofball (1):

Klingoncelt

Twin Wings (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (11):

Twin Wings, Xkfyu, Almost50, Shiro, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, Not Chara, killthestory, TheFuzzylogic99, SnarkySnowman, TheWayItEnds

With 23 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.

Skybird.

What's interesting about skybird here?
It's the bus vote.

I think Mastin is worth sheeping.

VOTE: RR

It's the kinda vote you make when you're like "oh shit I totally ignored my buddy getting runup day 1 I need to make up for it now oh why oh why didn't all this interest go away!

OK, caught up a little more this morning but still on page 155.

I'm not seeing RR as scum so much. I originally sheeped Mastin because of Cakez, and she has posted that she doesn't want people doing that. My thoughts on it are that I do see some of the points people are making against them, but I also understand not addressing things in absolutes right now because the game is still pretty young. (Sorry if I'm not being clear, I'm going be late for work if I don't get out of here. I'll answer questions when I get home.)

UNVOTE: RR

And then to the part where she's like "oh awesome it's not gonna get anymore steam, let me just help kill the traction after scouting out the wagon for 600 posts.

I know right. Seems pretty obvious looking at it now.

RR hasn't scumhunted at all this game. (inb4 that's just our meta or we totally have! no, death tunneling farside and 11205 isn't what I would pass as gamesolving).

Kinda also don't really think almost is scum. Comparatively he thinks I could be scum here, and while as wrong (and flattering) as that is, it's better than the hydra who hasn't ever given a read on me this game unless it's to omgus. What's more, his logic that rr wouldn't be scum in a position to not ever win is flawed because this town kicks ass.



pedit: Almost the thing with TWIE confirming skybird shot me is wine from everyone else's perspective, nothing more and nothing less I haven't even acknowledged it because it means literally nothing and I'm not gonna flaunt about how I make perfect sense as the N1 kill because that's arrogant and there isn't really a need to.

Furthermore there's a lot to gain for RR advocating and then also

delaying

the farside vig. She wasn't in the lynchpool, it's a win for them as scum to have her die by town hands at any point.

VOTE: RR

Perfect example of scum sitting back and waiting for the tide to turn in their favor before magically showing up with a long post and lots of research to push their mislynch, just at the right time. Please don't be suckered by this obvious scumplay by Grapes.

Like for real. Lynch this scummy shit on the spot. Obviously pre-prepared post coming in just at the right time to push a mislynch and re-direct any suspicion. Scum play 101 by someone who has spent the whole game doing the same kind of thing.

VOTE: Grapes

Thanks for scumclaiming Grapes.

~Drixx

Explain how this response is anything but scum giving up. I'll wait.

[grapes]

Grapes – Speaking of Leftovers – Grapes is the only player that could be. He basically claimed Lapis to me in our PT. Lapis does make thematic sense as scum who could join the scum team in a passive way. And the lack of scum kill last Night may indicate that Lapis lacks the ability to make the scum factional kill. I’m more considering this based of 11540 as an answer to “why do you think there are two scum left”. Also the AtE and insults in 11573 and 11574 are pretty bad.

You're a complete ass.

You know what's really shitty about the day before last is that I knew the only way for me to save creature and get shadow lynched was to convince you on shadow scum. I knew I couldn't convince you creature-town, so I spent my energy trying to wake the rest of the game up on that and sell you on shadow-scum with a case and you didn't EVEN RESPOND TO IT. UGHHHHHHHH

And I know like I've been busy and shit and that was a particular two weeks where I didn't have a lot of time to post BUT I FUCKINGTRIED.

I'VE BEEN ADVANCING A TOWN AGENDA WHILE RR HAS BEEN ADVANCING A SCUM AGENDA.

Your flavor spec is bad. How many traitors do you think this game is gonna have? We all signed up to play mafia not blindfolded darts.

I'm also not a very nice person when I'm getting voted for no good reason and if you don't know ...

I'm the AtE fucking CHAMPION.

[grapes]

@MOI: A50's ability said any abilities could not fail. It did not specify whether that excluded factional abilities, and based on the verbiage used by the role PM's we've seen, I assume that means factional abilities were also empowered.

@grapes: What case?

1) Eat my socks.

It's a mixture of vca + the most obvious bus vote I've ever seen. You're only as good as your weakest link.

I could make a case on any of your scumposts. And have multiple times this game actually.


The most important question is though.
Why the fuck didn't scum want to lynch the self-proclaimed smartest players in the game? The traction was fucking there.

[grapes]

Hi shiro

[grapes]

Almost's ability lends more credence to scum not killing and also trying to brew up paranoia on fuzzy if he's town. That's pretty clear.

[grapes]

its almost like telling someone they should quit mafia will stop them from wanting to engage with you. Funny that.

I mean are you really gonna act like you've tried to engage me at all the last 3 months.

You want me to lie and say I think you're a great mafia player?

Prove me fucking wrong.

Realize that RR's far scummier by play than me and that your circle jerk will continue once the game's over.

[grapes]

How about this. Going back to the creature lynch.

Was that an all town lynch on town? Probably not when you consider that scum NEEEEEEDED that mislynch.

And how bad RR's push on them was EoD. Blatantly ignored me when I told them that creature getting blocked didn't point to him being scum for lack of kill.

[grapes]

And if cerb "concluded a50 was town day 4" LOL. (Hi lack of paranoia) Why hasn't he been shoving a case and WHY WAIT UNTIL AFTER I VOTE THEM TO MOVE ALL IN.

Doesn't come from town.

[grapes]

So a50 has been lock-town to RR for ...... .. . .. .. . ever?

So they don't push me at all? But then omgus me????

So I'm unsure what their game plan is at this point. But it was evidently to do nothing until pushed and hope that we buy into hail mary 7 scum paranoia?

Then flail and buy into more leftover third party paranoia.

I guess.

pedit: Not really. Which is red flag consider all the talks (and your hush) about a50 and shiro vigs that happened on the last couple of days.

[grapes]

When people are yelling to vig someone who you think is confirmed town. It's a scumclaim to not make the thread aware of it.

[grapes]

Why's a50 confirmed town, though?

[grapes]

I'm curious on this one, game's a lot harder when all I know is my own alignment please understand.

[grapes]

Creature - Ummm... really obvious.
TFL - This should also be obvious I think.
Shiro - Obviously skimming the game. Given that he missed us citing things Titus said and asking for him to confirm (and then bizarrely asked us to confirm something that isn't there), he's not really plugged in. That feels like demoralized scum (and could explain the MoI shot if Shiro is scum: if he missed the post outlining MoI's abilities or just skimmed it and missed the protection). It's also possible that it could just be lazy town assuming a win given our strong position.
Grapes - I am tempted to put Grapes before Shiro. There's no real reason to read him either way, except for the Historical Fiction event which indicated he was targeted night one; however, there are two glaring failure points with that being used as a clear. Firstly, the event was from TWIE and TWIE chose which submitted actions to turn into truth, so it's possible that TWIE simply lied so it would look like Grapes was targeted by the scum team as an attempt to get him "cleared". The second failure point is that DGB had the ability to re-direct the scum kill. Then there's the fact that Grapes is literally coasting along at this point on this "clear" and my "gut" is bothering me a bit. (As a note, I'm not a "gut" person as I believe "gut" is just your brain telling you something is wrong but ... you get the point).
S_S - I have a really hard time believing that the scum team were given a goon in this game. That seems absurd. Almost certainly he got stuck with the token vanilla townie slot in a role madness game. To be fair, though, that's literally the only reason to posit him as town.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH

[grapes]

Found some buried treasure.

[grapes]

Also, no gamesolving.

[grapes]

Brb getting coffee I'll talk about more of their scumposts.

[grapes]

Also what were you just saying about shiro being confirmed town?

[grapes]

Like holy fuck guys I know I'm an asshole but I'm not scum.

[grapes]

It's an easy decision at this point. RR claims that my VCA on them was "prepared", of course it was. I always had it in the back of my mind that the traction they received day 1 was pretty town-driven. A few more flips and me coming out of my apathy coma solidified that.

In a game where scum got lynched day 1 that should be a pretty good sign that we were on target there because you gotta think, scum probably would have wanted them to be a counterwagon to cakes.

Moving on to why their PoE in 10877 is not only a scumpost, but pretty much cements them as more likely scum than I.

The simple fact is that "there's not a goon in the game" was a thing that stuck to the wall. And to argue that the person who blew that out of the water (me) is scum over the person who essentially used that as their only reason to townread confirmed scum is absurd.

This also goes back into the flawed logic RR has been using to town-case people. We haven't really been super fluid with alliances and stuff like that. It's been lowkey, it's been around deadline, impromptu kinda stuff. We've gotten lucky in some cases. Chara saving me N1 (more than likely) Xk's skybird kill and I'm sure some others.

But using having the knowledge of those things happening is not only a mystery of just how organized the alliances tried to be from an outside perspective (me and most still alive) but also falls apart to the easy question "what would they have realistically done about it".

Any attempt for skybird or RR or any scum to mess up the plan in-thread would have given them away pretty fast after a few flips.

Questions would arise.

Why did skybird not ally with anyone that night?
Who knew about this stuff?
Etc etc.

Don't be naive.

pedit: My action doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it's a finale.

[grapes]

I don't bus.

[grapes]

(I believe you made a very snide nasty comment about Yume when that happened?)

I did not!

[grapes]

Okay sorry had to run out and do stuff quick.

It's not that Skybird allied to Xykfu that matters. It's that Xykfu couldn't have triggered the event ... until scum used an event to kill Yume (I believe you made a very snide nasty comment about Yume when that happened?) and raised stress, which then allowed for it to happen.

Okay why are we assuming the scum dayvig was something that they could just use whenever the fuck they felt like it?

I thought it was more of a doomsday countdown thing. I know I haven't been paying much attention at all but doesn't that make more sense considering town had to withhold actions to stop it from happening? Were we suppose to just not action at night forever to keep scum from getting a guaranteed kill?

A50

knew

that information. He passed it on to us like 10 or 11 real time days before the Yume kill event happened.

You've been on this website long enough that assuming perfect scumplay is ridiculously stupid.

A50 knew the stress requirements for Xk's alliance-kill-thing. Big deal. My point is if you or him are scum with that knowledge what would you have done about it to not implicate skybird AND yourself. (without assuming how a scum event works this time)

P-edit: Really? You're going to wander into trust tell territory now? Wow.

How is saying that I wouldn't bus my whole team a trust tell and not just common fucking sense. Holy moly.

Can we lynch this?

[grapes]

Both town MoI

Fuzzy os the most Shady person around period.

Conveniently not shooting when scum couldn't kill,killed far because??? somehow has another shot when it suppodly was finale only.

The fuck is this not clicking to anyone?

My understanding of fuzzy's role is that he needs to be in an alliance to shoot and that on finales it's kind of a strongman.
Never got the impression that he's x-shot but that might be because he's been saying he's gonna shoot everyday.

[grapes]

Shiro...why doesn't fuzzy just shoot A50 or myself, the people he was SUPPOSED to shoot, and avoid the extra suspicion of going after Farside in particular?

Because you were the dominant pusher of farside and if she's actually town it makes you look bad. (?)

The real question is why hasn't he shot in the lynchpools of people who aren't drunk on third party paranoia (IE the actual consensus)

[grapes]

It actually goes far beyond this. I looked into this at the time and made a note of it. Skybird ASKED Xkfyu to ally her. It wasn't "close to the end of the day", there was plenty of time for other options to come up, and she could have allied with someone else, or attempted to.

Why is this important?

Because if you look at that day, guess who Xkfyu was lined up/had asked to ally with BEFORE Skybird said anything?

Twin Wings. You know, the slot S_S replaced into. In other words, scum.

So, if A50 is scum, NOT ONLY did the scum team attempt to ally with Xkfyu TWICE after learning his ENTIRE ROLE, AND THAT ALLYING WITH HIM PUT THEM AT RISK, but they PUT THE SLOT THAT HAD LESS SUSPICION AND A STRONGER ROLE AT RISK.

This isn't the actions of scum who know XK's role and powers.

This is scum attempting to use Skybirds gem checking power to see if Xk was a gem, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT KNOW HIS ROLE.

Haven't fact checked this but let it be known I was talking more ~in general~ about alliances.

I mean you're still assuming optimal scumplay for some reason. You're also assuming that a50 as scum would put 2 and 2 together in time. You're also assuming that there were a whole shitton of other options as per alliances.

What day did all this go down because if there wasn't a lot of people all locked in you might be on to something.


Actually, looking at sky's role right now, isn't the fact that there was an attempt for scum to change things around more fishy considering that skybird's role made her immune to all actions when allied?

[grapes]

Think I cracked the case guys.

[grapes]

Mastin; your opinion on the new development that Skybird went out of her way to derail a Twin Wings/Xk alliance the Night before Xk killed skybird with his ability, while having the ability to be immune to all actions when in an alliance?

Do you think this was scum simply trying to search for gems?
Or do you think it was trying to save twin wings?
Why was she still affected by Xk's shot?
Who, precisely, was aware of Xk's role and stress requirements?

[grapes]

My opinion: it's completely irrelevant. It literally doesn't matter. I couldn't give a damn.

Well you should because I think that it confirms scum within a50/RR.

@A50/RR

- When Xk claimed his role to you guys did he claim it as an event or just a regular action? And Almost when you relayed the info did you specify which it was?