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[PeregrineV]

ur great

I concur!!

[PeregrineV]

IMO

Pere/Maria/Transcend/doomfeather/SpyreX townbloc

drealmerz is a guy we never lynch but don't let have a say so in anything.

lezzzgooooo

Tradition requires that you serve cookies.

Chocolate chip or snickerdoodles?

Double chocolate chunk chip. Snicker doodles sound interesting, but I'd have to taste them.

Sad unrelated to the game fact:
I picked up my cookie dough that I bought for a co-worker's kid's fundraiser, then drove it home and left it in the car overnight.

[PeregrineV]

So my scumreads throughout the game keep proving themselves to be town but w/e
VOTE: Bins is a great wagon
And hey again Ari looks like this is the other life in which we have met

What do you think of gerrygoat?

[PeregrineV]

what do u want from my wagoN



Can you look elsewhere because of the high chance I am the town protective role and scum will be forced TO KILL ME BEFORE DUNN

Probably a lynch on you.

So there is a town half-doc who was also 1-shot BP, but only until the town BP-enabler was killed?

I guess I'll go read your iso as if you were town, then read it as if you were scum. See which seems more likely.

[PeregrineV]

So my scumreads throughout the game keep proving themselves to be town but w/e
VOTE: Bins is a great wagon
And hey again Ari looks like this is the other life in which we have met

What do you think of gerrygoat?

Ehhh gerry's w/e. Was pushing Transcend which is points but not much besides. Don't really have a problem with him otherwise, besides the Nahdia read thing which i didnt like
Most confident about Gear and Bins, so id push one of em first

And also id forgotten but Yoshi is most probably town

Actually Gerry scumread Transcend exclusively since post 116

And Transcend scumread gerrygoat since 113.

But never strongly enough to push the wagons.

And only leaving it for the lynches of iraonavp and chaos.

And I know that 99% of the mafiascum.net players are super amazing, but the other 1% are scum trying to weak bus their buddies.

[PeregrineV]

Dunnstral your logic for thinking I'm scum is fine but you're wrong
I protected Transcend cause I thought he was the even night doc or something and he was claiming it and I thought scum would buy it or something


Listen to yourself tho k tho there's a lot of vigs yeah but that's why it mAKES SENSE that I'm doc in this game as town but I agree scum LIKELY HAS a protective role too


Either way good job

VOTE: transcend


like yeah I will be protecting Dunn

Why did you think Transcend would be even night doc?

Because he claimed doc

Even in a joking manner I thought he was hinting at it to see if there were any other docs

mafia doctor is definitely a thing too

like there isnt a rule that says there cant be a scum type of PR

[PeregrineV]

Tbh I remember thinking "oh hey transcend didn't die and there's 1 death tn and this seems like a kill heavy setup maybe he was shot"

Cause I think I'm mlg

Why would you think it's a kill heavy setup based on night1?

[PeregrineV]

{Dunnstral}
{Aristophones}
{Road Kamelot, BigYoshiFan}
{PeregrineV}
{Bins, Gear}
{drealmerz7, gerryoat}

More on your bottom 4 scumreads please.

[PeregrineV]

fake claims, jumping around to one that "fit"

I don't completely find bins unsuspicious, but, you've got to go first, imo

That's dumb. Why would Dunn bus his teammate with a guilty wagon instead of maybe trying to mislynching instead?

[PeregrineV]

Like it was n1 and my only thought for protect was


Who is scum gonna kill

And i thought maybe the guy softing doc
I thought he was trolling the quicklymch and actually hunting at his real role

Who are your 3 picks for scum and why?

[PeregrineV]

The Planes Indians practiced polygamy, and one chief had three squaws.
The first squaw lived in a teepee of elk hide, the second in a teepee made of buffalo hide, and the youngest in a teepee of hippopotamus hide.
Then he slept with each wife on the eve of his great hunting trip.
He was gone nine moons and when he returned, he went into the elk hide teepee and found that his wife had borne him a son.
Likewise, in the buffalo hide teepee, that squaw, too, had borne him a son.
So, imagine his surprise when he found twin baby boys in the hippopotamus hide teepee.
This just proves that …

The squaw of the hippopotamus is equal to the sum of the squaws of the other two hides.

[PeregrineV]

So my scumreads throughout the game keep proving themselves to be town but w/e
VOTE: Bins is a great wagon
And hey again Ari looks like this is the other life in which we have met

What do you think of gerrygoat?

Ehhh gerry's w/e. Was pushing Transcend which is points but not much besides. Don't really have a problem with him otherwise, besides the Nahdia read thing which i didnt like
Most confident about Gear and Bins, so id push one of em first

And also id forgotten but Yoshi is most probably town

Actually Gerry scumread Transcend exclusively since post 116

And Transcend scumread gerrygoat since 113.

But never strongly enough to push the wagons.

And only leaving it for the lynches of iraonavp and chaos.

And I know that 99% of the mafiascum.net players are super amazing, but the other 1% are scum trying to weak bus their buddies.

Are you implying i could be maf with Transcend or am I reading this wrong

Yes. I'm saying exactly that.

[PeregrineV]

{Dunnstral}
{Aristophones}
{Road Kamelot, BigYoshiFan}
{PeregrineV}
{Bins, Gear}
{drealmerz7, gerryoat}

ok you get lynched today.

VOTE: nahdia

In what WORLD AM I MAFIA WITH TRANSCEND AND DREAL. IF YOU READ DAY 1 YOU HAVE NO WAY OF COMING TO THAT CONCLUSION

Transcend is confirmed scum.
drealmerz is suspected by nahdia, but he could be town or scum.

Looking at your day1 interactions with transcend, it seemed superficially adversarial.
You called each other scum early on, then worked together to lynch Iraovp.

Even now, You are OMGUS voting instead of actually scumhunting.
Unless you actually THINK Nahdia is scum.
Which, if you do, it is not apparent.

[PeregrineV]

Compared to another game where he was town, his game this game seems more filler, less actual content. And idk what he's talking about half the time. Like did he really vote Dunn right there? Yes dunn isn't clear, but his reason is bad

what game was that, gerry? I call BS and if dunn wasn't next on the LAL PL, I might put you up for it

there are so many reasons to vote dunn, I don't have time/energy to go through it, been kind of almost 0 WIM this game because of how D1 went, you all either get on board with what makes sense or not, up to you

you can't navigate a game where townies lie, best to just remove them from the equation and then move forward, if you all don't want to play that way, you'll have to make a good case on who you want me to vote for

It's hard to rationally believe you have a scumread on Dunn.

[PeregrineV]

After a Gear iso, I could see him as today's lynch also.

[PeregrineV]

anyways my result just showed me vanilla today so not sure if I want to reveal

I wasn't roleblocked though

This leads me to believe that Bins might just be town since she could have just killed me and claimed a roleblock, and that scum have some other pr

Maybe.

Except this on day1

i will doc you if you lolhammer don't worry about the bins bluff vig claim

Clashes with this

Dunnstral your logic for thinking I'm scum is fine but you're wrong
I protected Transcend cause I thought he was the

even night doc

or something and he was claiming it and I thought scum would buy it or something

And Bins still hasn't answered this:

Tbh I remember thinking "oh hey transcend didn't die and there's 1 death tn and this seems like a kill heavy setup maybe he was shot"

Cause I think I'm mlg

Why would you think it's a kill heavy setup based on night1?

[PeregrineV]

{Dunnstral}
{Aristophones}
{Road Kamelot, BigYoshiFan}
{PeregrineV}
{Bins, Gear}
{drealmerz7, gerryoat}

ok you get lynched today.

VOTE: nahdia

In what WORLD AM I MAFIA WITH TRANSCEND AND DREAL. IF YOU READ DAY 1 YOU HAVE NO WAY OF COMING TO THAT CONCLUSION

Transcend is confirmed scum.
drealmerz is suspected by nahdia, but he could be town or scum.

Looking at your day1 interactions with transcend, it seemed superficially adversarial.
You called each other scum early on, then worked together to lynch Iraovp.

Even now, You are OMGUS voting instead of actually scumhunting.
Unless you actually THINK Nahdia is scum.
Which, if you do, it is not apparent.

>worked together with transcend.

I literally voted ira and then left. came back for a moment and had to leave again. when i returned you guys had quick hammered ira.

Any more reads you wanna BS?

My bad. My gerrygoat lojack stopped working. You must have went into a tunnel.

So what you are saying is that you voted for Ira, but didn't really want to lynch him, and it's all the rest of our faults that he was lynched by the time you got back?

[PeregrineV]

ehhh, you don't know what I'm considering

you are mis-repping me entirely by saying I just want to lynch all the PR claims one after another

I was trying to keep it simple, decided to elaborate a bit, seems I got some interesting reactions that I'll try not to scumread

to resimple-fy:

liars must die in order that they lied

I could go for lynching YOSHI since he was the hammerer without a claim, but I'm reading him noobish, so am a little forgiving with it and prefer to LAL first

maybe I should go back and re-assess the lies

LAL is a scumhunting tool, on the (false) assumption that town doesn't lie.

There are better tools available. Why are you not using them?

[PeregrineV]

I think gears qualifies as the towniest lurker I've ever seen, btw. Usually I'd be furious, but, I look at his contributions, and, meh, he's town.

You said meh, so now I believe you.

For the sake of others, go through and point why what it is about his posts that make him town.

[PeregrineV]

Somehow i forgot Ari replaced Gamma
def wouldnt lynch that
Dunn is less confirmed to me for some reasons

Peregrine is rly town by play
dreal PLing on day 4 is a dumb idea pls stop
Id lynch Gear or Dreal rn

My issue is how a lot of players seem to have the same names on their shitlist
Id have to actually count tho bc it could just be the most recent lists ive seen

I blame it all on Errant. He sent me the town PM.

[PeregrineV]

I'm a rolecop.

Bins is a 1-shot bp odd-night doctor

Transcend is a Night 5 Strongman
Bins claimed to have targeted transcend on day 1 while I said I had a guilty on her (she didn't know my role)

day 1 vig and day 3 vig (both odd-nights)

Bins and Transcend are scum.

VOTE: Transcend

I believe this claim but it doesnt make you town
It doesnt make me want to lynch you either but i dont trust it
I mean if Bins is scum then fuck me youre town for sure but thats all it is

Why can't I seem to wrap my head around this...

Explain to my thick skull the benefit to the scumteam of scum-Dunn hard-bussing claiming guilty on Transcend to lead to his quick-lynch, when previously the highest Transcend wagon was 4 votes.

[PeregrineV]

anyways my result just showed me vanilla today so not sure if I want to reveal

I wasn't roleblocked though

This leads me to believe that Bins might just be town since she could have just killed me and claimed a roleblock, and that scum have some other pr

There is the presumption that if you get a role result of Vanilla Town that is a different role from Mafia Goon. Can you verify with Errant?

[PeregrineV]

What I thought it was kill heavy just because of my role and ira flip

And I thought he was just crumbing doc obviously

A one-shot vig?

And you thought he was crumbing regular doc or even-night doc or odd night doc?

[PeregrineV]

since I looked at the Transcend wagon through VC, I'll take a look at how that wagon vanished.

Votecount 1.3

I want to get a tenth T-shirt, but then I wouldn't be a nine tees kid.
Yeah, I know. That pun was bad, but please don't mock me for it.
I'm a nein tease kid.

On a related note, it's 9 to lynch. Sorry for not putting that earlier.

Transcend

(4): Road Kamelot, drealmerz7, Dunnstral, gerryoat

Gear

(3): SpyreX, iraonavp, Transcend

doomfeathers

(1): PeregrineV

Dunnstral

(1): Gear

gerryoat

(1): Gamma Emerald

iraonavp

(1): doomfeathers

Not Voting

(5): BigYoshiFan, ChaosOmega, grapes, Bins, MariaR

16 players, 9 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2016-11-01 20:20:00)

[PeregrineV]

I'm fine with voting ira, dreal or transcend today. even if transcend is voting ira

VOTE: Iraonavp

Transcend

(3): Road Kamelot, drealmerz7,

Dunnstral

,

gerryoat

Gear (3):

SpyreX, iraonavp

,

Transcend

iraonavp (2): doomfeathers

, gerryoat

doomfeathers (1): PeregrineV

Dunnstral

(1): Gear
gerryoat (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (5): BigYoshiFan,

ChaosOmega

, grapes/Nahdia, Bins, MariaR

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: irao

Transcend

(3): Road Kamelot, drealmerz7,

Dunnstral

,

gerryoat

Gear (3):

SpyreX, iraonavp

,

Transcend

iraonavp (3): doomfeathers

, gerryoat,

ChaosOmega

doomfeathers (1): PeregrineV

Dunnstral

(1): Gear
gerryoat (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (4): BigYoshiFan, , grapes/Nahdia, Bins, MariaR

[PeregrineV]

Literally just checked this last page but the above posts are scummy as heck
VOTE: drealmerz7
Catchup when im not dying look forward to my awesome reads

Transcend

(2):

Road Kamelot

, drealmerz7,

Dunnstral

,

gerryoat

Gear (3):

SpyreX, iraonavp

,

Transcend

iraonavp (3): doomfeathers

, gerryoat,

ChaosOmega

doomfeathers (1): PeregrineV

Dunnstral

(1): Gear
gerryoat (1):

Gamma Emerald

drealmerz7 (1): Road Kamelot

Not Voting (4): BigYoshiFan, , grapes/Nahdia, Bins, MariaR

[PeregrineV]

Actually I like the iraonavp wagon idea more. He hasn't caught up but posted like he was.
...like he already knows everything...
VOTE: iraonavp

Great, missed this one. Not sure it affects the Transcend wagon, but messes up my sequence.

[PeregrineV]

Votecount 1.4

A joke I told in sitechat the other day:

What's Whitney Houston's favorite type of coordination?

Hand-eyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

iraonavp

(4): doomfeathers, Gamma Emerald, gerryoat, ChaosOmega

Gear

(3): SpyreX, iraonavp, Transcend

Transcend

(2): drealmerz7, Dunnstral

doomfeathers

(1): PeregrineV

Dunnstral

(1): Gear

drealmerz7

(1): Road Kamelot

Not Voting

(4): BigYoshiFan, grapes, Bins, MariaR

16 players, 9 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2016-11-01 20:20:00)

[PeregrineV]

Don't think day2 will be more informative, but since I'm in the mood and have the time.

Votecount 2.3

I went to med school, became a doctor, discovered the cure for cancer, then traveled back in time to give my cure to the past.
Upon reaching my past self, I realized that this plan was not going to work because we were a pair o' docs.

Transcend

(3): drealmerz7, gerryoat, Road Kamelot

ChaosOmega

(2): Dunnstral, BigYoshiFan

MariaR

(1): Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(1): MariaR

Nahdia

(1): Bins

gerryoat

(1): Transcend

Not Voting

(5): Gear, SpyreX, ChaosOmega, Nahdia, PeregrineV

14 players, 8 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2016-11-05 13:00:00)

[PeregrineV]

I think LAL is perhaps #1 scum-hunting tactic, so I'm using it.

you should give it a try (and try not lying as town and seeing how it works)

All scum has to do is tell the truth and you'll never lynch them.

Given all the instances where LAL fails as a scumhunting tool, why is it your #1?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: ChaosOmega

Transcend

(3): drealmerz7, gerryoat, Road Kamelot

ChaosOmega

(3): Dunnstral, BigYoshiFan, Gamma Emerald
MariaR (1):

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (1): MariaR
Nahdia (1): Bins
gerryoat (1):

Transcend

Not Voting (5): Gear,

SpyreX, ChaosOmega

, Nahdia, PeregrineV

[PeregrineV]

that's not true at all! obviously you've not tried it - I've caught plenty of scum without them lying!!! like, all the time!!!

I've never had LAL fail as a scumhunting tool. The key is that town doesn't lie.

my HS is LAL PL hardcore, and it works wonderfully - there is no other way for town to play other than misguided, imo!

If you caught scum that wasn't lying, then you couldn't have caught them using LAL. What method did you use to catch them?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: ChaosOmega

Transcend

(3): drealmerz7, gerryoat, Road Kamelot

ChaosOmega

(3): Dunnstral, BigYoshiFan, Gamma Emerald
MariaR (1):

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (1): MariaR
Nahdia (1): Bins
gerryoat (1):

Transcend

Not Voting (5): Gear,

SpyreX, ChaosOmega

, Nahdia, PeregrineV

Yeah, not worth it.

[PeregrineV]

gut

Does it take much to convince people when you give your gut as the reason?

[PeregrineV]

I'm gonna read Tranny's Iso at some point and see what I can find.

Why am I being treated as obvtown? I mean, I know Gamma is easy to read, but is there any specific reason?

You shot Chaos night1 (please confirm).

He did not die.

He was a lurky town and a good vig shot.

Turns out he was BP, but you could only NOT kill him and know he was BP if you were a scumrolecop or a vig.

He was a good vig shot, probably not a great scum-rolecop target.

Stuff like that.

[PeregrineV]

or if you prefer

behavioral analysis

and yeah it takes a good amount of effort, but I'm decent at it if I'm passionate about my read

There is a difference between gut and behavioral analysis.

And passion about your read does not make it correct (unless you are scum or a PR).

[PeregrineV]

anyways my result just showed me vanilla today so not sure if I want to reveal

I wasn't roleblocked though

This leads me to believe that Bins might just be town since she could have just killed me and claimed a roleblock, and that scum have some other pr

There is the presumption that if you get a role result of Vanilla Town that is a different role from Mafia Goon. Can you verify with Errant?

I get vanilla for vanilla town or mafia goon

Neapolitan gets "not vanilla" on mafia goon

I dislike this version. But oh well.

[PeregrineV]

And here I thought I'd be all alone on the Friday night...

[PeregrineV]

I'm gonna read Tranny's Iso at some point and see what I can find.

Why am I being treated as obvtown? I mean, I know Gamma is easy to read, but is there any specific reason?

You shot Chaos night1 (please confirm).

He did not die.

He was a lurky town and a good vig shot.

Turns out he was BP, but you could only NOT kill him and know he was BP if you were a scumrolecop or a vig.

He was a good vig shot, probably not a great scum-rolecop target.

Stuff like that.

I can confirm that action, and that the original shot was going to be Transcend, but was changed to Chaos for whatever reason.

So that is why you are townread.

Any reads to share? And reasons for them?

[PeregrineV]

I'd love for someone to make a case against someone that had any OOOMPF to it.

Or just a case in general

[PeregrineV]

I have a weak one out there, I say let's go with it in a couple days if no one presents something better. We just going to not lynch any PR claims because they're PR claims?

points to my argument for dunnstral:

1.) LAL
2.) interactions with transcend look like posturing numerous times, including the bus
3.) flips we have lead me to think setup likelihood could be as I said, town with BP stuff + vigs, scum with other PRs (and fakeclaims?)
4.) rolecop is scummy

Need an answer to 1677

[PeregrineV]

Explain to my thick skull the benefit to the scumteam of scum-Dunn hard-bussing claiming guilty on Transcend to lead to his quick-lynch, when previously the highest Transcend wagon was 4 votes.

I thought it was obvious. The benefit is towncred.

Who knows what goes on with transcend,, I see him likely as the type of player who is like "fuck this game, bus me, let's do it this way and we'll be sure the win!" Or a dozen other things (disagreements among scum-buddies where 1 just wants to drop out but doesn't want replaced/mod-killed, loss of WIM because his friend GE left the game, if you can't imagine it being possible, you aren't using your imagination.)

I'm trying to reconcile all I see, it's bothering me. Killing dunnstral helps clear it.

ohfuck I just had a thought...motherfuck...multiball? I'm not ready to go there yet, but it could explain a few things now that I think about it.

Show me a game or 2 where it happened before, and I might buy it.

Bussing is one thing, it does happen.
Claiming guilty on a scumbuddy with no history of being the day's lynch? No so much.

[PeregrineV]

Why can't I seem to wrap my head around this...

Explain to my thick skull the benefit to the scumteam of scum-Dunn hard-bussing claiming guilty on Transcend to lead to his quick-lynch, when previously the highest Transcend wagon was 4 votes.

i KNOW someone answered this and it was basically my answer but
towncred yo

Transcend wasnt playing the long game he basically admitted it himself after he was caught when he said his normal scum game wasnt like this
Im 100% sure he was bussed
And this was after Transcend had successfully played a part in mislynching two town
Players like that dont last long so there was no downside to scum deciding to bus
i dont rly wanna lynch dreal bc as scum his push is stupid and dangerous and attention-seeking
And i kinda see the logic behind it
But lynching Dunn today is dumb lol

Anything he said after he was caught can be ignored.

Who bussed him?

Votecount 3.3 FINAL

To celebrate the coming of Aristophanes:

That shirt makes you look like a total Doric.
Calm down, I'm only wearing it Ionically.

Transcend

(7 - LYNCH): gerryoat, drealmerz7, SpyreX, Nahdia, Transcend, BigYoshiFan, Bins

Not Voting

(5): Road Kamelot, Aristophanes, Gear, PeregrineV, Dunnstral

[PeregrineV]

Hold on i got this game mixed up w something.
There should be like... ~3 scum left ya? This is our last mislynch?

16 players usually means 4 scum.

We are at 7:3 right now.

[PeregrineV]

Kinda agreeing with the sentiment that dreal's latest Bant makes no sense as scum. The frustration over not being townread for punishing Transcend feels genuine but it could just be genuine frustration that a buss didn't earn him any points I'm picking up on.

You have 2 sentences that seem to be talking about the same person, but they are not.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: unvote

seriously I can't read gerry at all

super scummy that seems totally misguided town

I'ma not vote until some others have checked in and provided some views

I would like him to develop some more tunnels views now that transcend is gone.

[PeregrineV]

thanks!!! weeee!!!

need 5 inactives to get off their asses and play (less-so for PV since he at least appeared to attempt to do something)

I'm doing a shit-ton of stuff.

Are you possibly not reading or not understanding my posts?

[PeregrineV]

also to think that only a few d1 posts voting transcend like "ya so he's scum" and doing a "reaction test" on his is enough to clear is lol

i play with transcend a lot. He was acting weird so I pushed on it. Thus why I am town and he tried to get me lynched. I don't get how you can get a garbage read like me and him partners when we both pushed on each other.

VOTE: unvote

seriously I can't read gerry at all

super scummy that seems totally misguided town

I'ma not vote until some others have checked in and provided some views

LMAO MISGUIDED TOWN

i didnt know tunneling maf made me misguided

HEY GUYS. SORRY FOR TUNNELING MAF. IDK WHAT I WAS THINKING. GOSH. NEXT TIME I'LL TRY TO BE LESS MISGUIDED BY NOT TUNNELING MAF

What have you done for us lately?

[PeregrineV]

why do you think nahdia is likely to flip scum?

it seems like she's actually putting some effort in to scum-hunting

Your first mention of Nahdia in 72 pages. To complement her in her scumhutning, where she has you pegged as scum for 3+ days

Spoiler: Early Nahdia

page 7
{Dunnstral}
{Transcend}
{Road Kamelot, SpyreX, drealmerz7, BigYoshiFan}
{PeregrineV, Gear}
{gerryoat}

It really is liberating knowing I'll never have to wear clothes again

page 14
{Dunnstral}
{Transcend, MariaR}
{Road Kamelot, SpyreX, BigYoshiFan, Bins}
{PeregrineV, Gear, Gamma Emerald}
{drealmerz7}
{gerryoat}

It really is liberating knowing I'll never have to wear clothes again

end of d1

{Dunnstral}
{Transcend}
{Road Kamelot, SpyreX, Bins, MariaR}
{Gear, PeregrineV}
{BigYoshiFan}
{drealmerz7}
{gerryoat, Gamma Emerald}

drealmerz7 still just doesn't feel genuine to me at all.

And 1607 seems like a total flip.

Spoiler: Current Nahdia

VOTE: dunnstral

come with me if you want to live

is this a serious vote

Why are you so sure dreal is mafia?

I wanna say the fact that dreal is taking this position is town-indicative but there's so much he's ignoring that's so blatant I kind of think he's just bullshitting crazy reads to try to look like bad town.

psa: gears hasn't posted in 9 and a half days.

Stuff like this bugs me. Even worse than you wanting to lynch Dunn.

[PeregrineV]

Who bussed him?

yep, that's what we're trying to figure out

what is your opinion on likely bussers? rather than just a paste of a post hopefully everyone read (and I had already re-highlighted in light of the question)

He basically had a guilty claim on him. Why would anyone stay off the wagon, or not want to be csaught on it?

Votecount 3.3 FINAL

To celebrate the coming of Aristophanes:

That shirt makes you look like a total Doric.
Calm down, I'm only wearing it Ionically.

Transcend

(7 - LYNCH): gerryoat, drealmerz7, SpyreX, Nahdia, Transcend, BigYoshiFan, Bins

Not Voting

(5): Road Kamelot, Aristophanes, Gear, PeregrineV, Dunnstral

As I've already stated, the Bins hammer sucked and looked scummy.

[PeregrineV]

And 1607 seems like a total flip.

Me questioning someone else's certainty has nothing to do with my own position.

You did a complete 180. Do you not want me to point it out?

In addition, you thought drealmerz was bussing transcend as late as 1583 (8 pages ago).

You are now voting Gear, who was up for replacement and less scummy (according to you) than drealmerz.

I did not find your play or your iso "chock full of scumhunting goodness".

So when you start questioning someone else's scumread on drealmerz all of a sudden, and decide he's not scum anymore, it's gotta be asked about.

[PeregrineV]

I didn't compliment her scum-hunting. I certainly didn't complement it. I said it SEEMS like she's putting SOME effort to it, and in relativity to the rest of most of the group, it's something - but even more to the point, all I was doing was asking someone to elaborate their reasoning for putting nahdia where they did, with a little perspective of my own for impetus of some back and forth about it.

What bugs you exactly?

I assumed you were reading the same game as me.
You want to lynch Dunn who netted us Transcend.
You find effort in Nahdia's posting. A read of her ISO makes that hard to reconcile that opinion.

You're doing shit-tons? I don't see much of anything useful from you.

Are you possibly not reading or not understanding my posts?

[PeregrineV]

why does it suck? why does it look scummy? especially since you say "Why would anyone stay off the wagon, or not want to be csaught on it?"

UNVOTE:
Guess I'll let Bins speak

If you don't want Transcend on L-1 for this reason, let me know.
VOTE: Transcend

L-1

VOTE: Transcend

Too late buddy. Self hammered.

Why would you vote him to l-1 after I said that

Dunnstral your logic for thinking I'm scum is fine but you're wrong
I protected Transcend cause I thought he was the even night doc or something and he was claiming it and I thought scum would buy it or something


Listen to yourself tho k tho there's a lot of vigs yeah but that's why it mAKES SENSE that I'm doc in this game as town but I agree scum LIKELY HAS a protective role too


Either way good job

VOTE: transcend


like yeah I will be protecting Dunn

Yoshi got chewed on for voting him.
Hammer anyway.

especially since you say "Why would anyone stay off the wagon, or not want to be csaught on it?"

hammering the waong is not the same as being on it.

[PeregrineV]

I'll make one more effort to explain this. I have a lot of work to do today though so I can't sit around and go through it 10 times.

1587 I'm trying to understand what dreal is doing.
1667 is where my read on dreal shifts, because he was doing something I see 0 scum motivation to do.
1607

has nothing whatsoever to do with my read on dreal. I'm questioning

Gerry

, not telling him he's wrong, but forcing him to explain himself because his language seemed very certain.

Possibly just update this, and we can discuss where and why everyone moved.

{Dunnstral}
{Aristophones}
{Road Kamelot, BigYoshiFan}
{PeregrineV}
{Bins, Gear}
{drealmerz7, gerryoat}

[PeregrineV]

Now i feel like I'm here all alone.


But I know I'm not.

[PeregrineV]

also to think that only a few d1 posts voting transcend like "ya so he's scum" and doing a "reaction test" on his is enough to clear is lol

i play with transcend a lot. He was acting weird so I pushed on it. Thus why I am town and he tried to get me lynched. I don't get how you can get a garbage read like me and him partners when we both pushed on each other.

VOTE: unvote

seriously I can't read gerry at all

super scummy that seems totally misguided town

I'ma not vote until some others have checked in and provided some views

LMAO MISGUIDED TOWN


i didnt know tunneling maf made me misguided

HEY GUYS. SORRY FOR TUNNELING MAF. IDK WHAT I WAS THINKING. GOSH. NEXT TIME I'LL TRY TO BE LESS MISGUIDED BY NOT TUNNELING MAF

What have you done for us lately?

Uh, idk. Tunnel mafia? The fuck have you done at all this game except make long irrelevant posts?

They've been short relevant posts.

[PeregrineV]

but why??? you think transcend coached him in thread like that

What posts were the coaching?

[PeregrineV]

I forgot about gerry's fake town read on Chaos, add to that the abortive pushes between him and transcend, and he's better bet for scum than before.

I agree to an extent, but then when I look at broader, he seems to be flailing quite a bit, and flailing scum when it's 7v3 doesn't make sense, especially since the 1 scum killed netted a crap wagon. I suppose it could make sense that he's just really excited to secure such a 1-sided win and can't be patient for it to actually come and is sabotaging it in the process? Yeah, I can see that, but, it's weird still.

I'm totally down for a gerry vote if no one still agrees on dunns. Gear, seriously give dunns a look, would you? My vote isn't JUST based on policy. I'll only continue to push someone I see as a PL if I am truly reading them scum aside from the PL qualifications, otherwise it's just a bad move going after someone who I'd be reading town otherwise (and is what allows for scum to jump on PLs and not be detected, you've still got to have a basis for believing that what is qualifying it as a PL is actually happening and not just be blind to the PL.)

1. ISO Dunn
2. Ctrl+F
3. type in "trans"
4. Look at posts where Dunn talks to Transcend, where he mentions him, and in what context.
5. See his day3 claim
6. Get back with us

[PeregrineV]

So seriously to gerrygoat, what are your current reads on all living players and why and howfor did you reach those reads?

[PeregrineV]

people srsly need to learn to put it in one post

I apologize. I was working hard to get caught up and remember what was going on. That means phone posting, but I am pretty much done with it now.

Anyway:

Confirmed town:

Aristophanes - Confirmed town, since confirmed vig.

I would be shocked if scum:

Dunnstral - see Transcend's lynch.

Town based on play:

PeregrineV - Having reread, and especially recently, Peregrine's play seems focused and helpful.
Road Kamelot - I don't feel as good about her as I do about Peregrine, but I don't think that she's scum.

Probably town, but making me nervous

drealmerz7 - I thought was town early based on seeming sincere, but the push on Dunn doesn't make any sense. It's bad enough that this could be scum trying to cause a distraction. However, I would be very hard pressed to vote for him today.

Bins - I am primarily worried because of the claim - odd night doctor, while the vigs are on nights 1 and 3.

Worried about (in no particular order):

BigYoshiFan, I've been going back and forth here a bit, but I will eventually narrow it down.

gerryoat - abortive bussing attempts between him and transcend. I liked his vote on Nahdia earlier, so that's something.

Nahdia - I think her replacing in and voting doomfeathers is pretty bad, it means that on replacing in that she wasn't using information available to her, I think that her town-read on Transcend in 1341 is fake.

Vote: Nahdia

Nahdia, I'd like you also explain why you think that the town is stacked if all the claimed pr's are scum? And who is scum amongst the prs?

This is a great post- I bolded the part I did not realize before.

And Transcend flipped night5 strongman.

@Bins- Sorry about that, you're town.

Vote: Nahdia

[PeregrineV]

Here's where I'm at

Scummiest
10. Nahdia- you came across badly in the Gear interaction, very much like caught scum.
2. drealmerz7- You are in a Dunn tunnel that has been disputed via posting evidence.

Next scummiest
12. gerryoat- Aside from riding that mafwagon for 2 days straight, no actual evidence you are town
7. BigYoshiFan- The fact I still have you null means you are here.



Town
4. Road Kamelot- really reads as town to me, on the outside chance they are scum, they got me fooled.
5. Aristophanes- claim and action, on outside chance they are scum, they played a great day2 with a great claim.
11. Dunnstral
6. Gear
13. Bins
14. PeregrineV

[PeregrineV]

that is NOT a great post at all, PV moves up the scumlist

Blame Gear. He pointed out a fact I overlooked. Throw in your whole Nahdhia interactions and hers with Gear, and you 2 are pretty much the scummiest in the game.

[PeregrineV]

Nahdia is a player who usually wouldnt be stupid lurky and would contribute as either alignment
Its not AI for them

Odd night doc fits w night 5 strongman and it cancels out any scumminess Bins might have for being odd night w the odd night town vigs
Its a relevant observation

But why vote Nahdia when u can vote gerry bc if nahdia is scum so is gerry anyway

Because drealmerz feels like a scumtunnel on Dunn. If he gets the lynch, win for him. If he does not, then he doesn't have to fake scumhunting.

But, throw in the whole Nahdhia/drealmerz read reversal on the part of both of them, it looks worse.

Throw in how freaking townie the rest look, it looks worse.

Why not Gerry first? Because both drealmerz and Nahdhia both want to lynch him, but not too much if it can be avoided, so he's probably the designated scum bus target.

[PeregrineV]

/incredulous sigh

Yeah, drealmerz and gerry were both scumreads for days until they would be next to be lynched, according to your list.

Then they were town.

So, yeah, caught.

[PeregrineV]

Liking PV rn.

[PeregrineV]

you better believe it:
titus replaces aristophanes

Oh snap!!!!!


Welcome Titus!!!

[PeregrineV]

Wow, we got some conflict going on here.

Why doesn't everyone tell me what they think is important? Don't correct opinions of others.

Sure-

Here's where I'm at

Scummiest
10. Nahdia- you came across badly in the Gear interaction, very much like caught scum.
2. drealmerz7- You are in a Dunn tunnel that has been disputed via posting evidence.

Next scummiest
12. gerryoat- Aside from riding that mafwagon for 2 days straight, no actual evidence you are town
7. BigYoshiFan- The fact I still have you null means you are here.



Town
4. Road Kamelot- really reads as town to me, on the outside chance they are scum, they got me fooled.
5. Aristophanes- claim and action, on outside chance they are scum, they played a great day2 with a great claim.
11. Dunnstral
6. Gear
13. Bins
14. PeregrineV

Are we claiming?

There are enough out there-
You-night1 vig shot ChoasOmega
Dunn-rolecop (Bins,

Transcend

, some Vanilla unamed player)
Bins- odd night doc (Transcend, Dunn)
With some BP mods via SpryeX

I think that covers them so far.

[PeregrineV]

sorry gonna catch up on what i missed

Road, are you being bad town or are you maf. be real with me here. I don't see how you can think "yeah lets get the guy who voted the confirmed scum for 2 days instead of someone else" as town

Yet, you seemed to have missed this too.

So seriously to gerrygoat, what are your current reads on all living players and why and howfor did you reach those reads?

[PeregrineV]

@PerV, Refreshing change in your play. I like it. Withholding comments until I hear from others.

Meh, not sure if I do.

I am aiming for most posts this game, as a secondary goal.

[PeregrineV]

[PeregrineV]

12 posts today, half of them about drealmerz meta-

[PeregrineV]

@All- V/LA Nov 11-Nov14

[PeregrineV]

Back from weekend- will catch up later.

[PeregrineV]

All right, work is picking up again, so going to stick to more current posting.

[PeregrineV]

PV, BYF, could you two each tell me what you got out of PV's VCA, I wasn't able to see anything there that I found interesting.

Don't think I did a VCA.

[PeregrineV]

@Titus

- I thought you'd have this sorted by now. Waht happened?

[PeregrineV]

So seriously to gerrygoat, what are your current reads on all living players and why and howfor did you reach those reads?

Was this ever answered by Gerry?

[PeregrineV]

@PV, sheep me on Gear? I have made awesome progress.

@Drealmerz, I will give you an Internet hug. Who else is scum?

Gear's 1873 looks pretty town.

Did you read my 1921? I have a reason why each person is where they are.

[PeregrineV]

Here's where I'm at

Scummiest
10. Nahdia- you came across badly in the Gear interaction, very much like caught scum.
2. drealmerz7- You are in a Dunn tunnel that has been disputed via posting evidence.

Next scummiest
12. gerryoat- Aside from riding that mafwagon for 2 days straight, no actual evidence you are town
7. BigYoshiFan- The fact I still have you null means you are here.



Town
4. Road Kamelot- really reads as town to me, on the outside chance they are scum, they got me fooled.
5. Aristophanes- claim and action, on outside chance they are scum, they played a great day2 with a great claim.
11. Dunnstral
6. Gear
13. Bins
14. PeregrineV

These reads are so bad I doubt you.

Then doubt each one.

Who do you want to start with?

[PeregrineV]

10. It looks like you're just throwing mud. Reasons for scumreads generally consist of answering why, not platitudes.

Here are my previous posts on the topic of Nahdhia, inspired by her 3 days of reading drealmerz as scum, followed by today of reading him as town when he tunnels on Dunn

Spoiler: Previouly nested spoilers should be apparant

Kinda agreeing with the sentiment that dreal's latest Bant makes no sense as scum. The frustration over not being townread for punishing Transcend feels genuine but it could just be genuine frustration that a buss didn't earn him any points I'm picking up on.

You have 2 sentences that seem to be talking about the same person, but they are not.

why do you think nahdia is likely to flip scum?

it seems like she's actually putting some effort in to scum-hunting

Your first mention of Nahdia in 72 pages. To complement her in her scumhutning, where she has you pegged as scum for 3+ days

Early Nahdia]

page 7
{Dunnstral}
{Transcend}
{Road Kamelot, SpyreX, drealmerz7, BigYoshiFan}
{PeregrineV, Gear}
{gerryoat}

It really is liberating knowing I'll never have to wear clothes again

page 14
{Dunnstral}
{Transcend, MariaR}
{Road Kamelot, SpyreX, BigYoshiFan, Bins}
{PeregrineV, Gear, Gamma Emerald}
{drealmerz7}
{gerryoat}

It really is liberating knowing I'll never have to wear clothes again

end of d1

{Dunnstral}
{Transcend}
{Road Kamelot, SpyreX, Bins, MariaR}
{Gear, PeregrineV}
{BigYoshiFan}
{drealmerz7}
{gerryoat, Gamma Emerald}

drealmerz7 still just doesn't feel genuine to me at all.

END EARLY NAHDIA

And 1607 seems like a total flip.

Current Nahdia

]

VOTE: dunnstral

come with me if you want to live

is this a serious vote

Why are you so sure dreal is mafia?

I wanna say the fact that dreal is taking this position is town-indicative but there's so much he's ignoring that's so blatant I kind of think he's just bullshitting crazy reads to try to look like bad town.

psa: gears hasn't posted in 9 and a half days.

[/END CURRENT NAHDIA

Stuff like this bugs me. Even worse than you wanting to lynch Dunn.

And 1607 seems like a total flip.

Me questioning someone else's certainty has nothing to do with my own position.

You did a complete 180. Do you not want me to point it out?

In addition, you thought drealmerz was bussing transcend as late as 1583 (8 pages ago).

You are now voting Gear, who was up for replacement and less scummy (according to you) than drealmerz.

I did not find your play or your iso "chock full of scumhunting goodness".

So when you start questioning someone else's scumread on drealmerz all of a sudden, and decide he's not scum anymore, it's gotta be asked about.

I didn't compliment her scum-hunting. I certainly didn't complement it. I said it SEEMS like she's putting SOME effort to it, and in relativity to the rest of most of the group, it's something - but even more to the point, all I was doing was asking someone to elaborate their reasoning for putting nahdia where they did, with a little perspective of my own for impetus of some back and forth about it.

What bugs you exactly?

I assumed you were reading the same game as me.
You want to lynch Dunn who netted us Transcend.
You find effort in Nahdia's posting. A read of her ISO makes that hard to reconcile that opinion.

You're doing shit-tons? I don't see much of anything useful from you.

Are you possibly not reading or not understanding my posts?

I'll make one more effort to explain this. I have a lot of work to do today though so I can't sit around and go through it 10 times.

1587 I'm trying to understand what dreal is doing.
1667 is where my read on dreal shifts, because he was doing something I see 0 scum motivation to do.
1607

has nothing whatsoever to do with my read on dreal. I'm questioning

Gerry

, not telling him he's wrong, but forcing him to explain himself because his language seemed very certain.

Possibly just update this, and we can discuss where and why everyone moved.

{Dunnstral}
{Aristophones}
{Road Kamelot, BigYoshiFan}
{PeregrineV}
{Bins, Gear}
{drealmerz7, gerryoat}

Here's where I'm at

Scummiest
10. Nahdia- you came across badly in the Gear interaction, very much like caught scum.
2. drealmerz7- You are in a Dunn tunnel that has been disputed via posting evidence.

Next scummiest
12. gerryoat- Aside from riding that mafwagon for 2 days straight, no actual evidence you are town
7. BigYoshiFan- The fact I still have you null means you are here.



Town
4. Road Kamelot- really reads as town to me, on the outside chance they are scum, they got me fooled.
5. Aristophanes- claim and action, on outside chance they are scum, they played a great day2 with a great claim.
11. Dunnstral
6. Gear
13. Bins
14. PeregrineV

drealmerz goes from saying nothing to or about Nahdia, to soft defending, to suddenly finding her miraculously healing scumhunting powers have been in use all along.

Read and get back to me.

[PeregrineV]

I explained at the time exactly where and how my read on dreal shifted. The way you interpreted it initially was at best a misunderstanding and at worst willful ignorance in order to make a push.

Yes, 1667. After Transcend was lynched and drealmerz starts pushing a Dunn lynch using craplogic. You found his craplogic town after 3 days of finding him the lowest scum.

My interpretation:
I supposes the Mafia Mutual Bussing Society worked until you lost a buddy.

[PeregrineV]

But I mean, you just decided to ignore that. So, good for you.

It did so stretch the limits of credibility.

[PeregrineV]

I think we should lynch Yoshi for hammering on day one, for putting transcend in the range where he could self hammer, and for that bullshit case on Bins.

If Yoshi flips scum, then I want to lynch Camelot for her unvote of Yoshi, since her explanation of that move makes little sense to me at this point.

On the other hand if Yoshi is town, I'd bet that the scum team is in Nadia, Peregrine, Gerry and Bins

I barely read Yoshi as slight town, and your finding associatives from his flip.

[PeregrineV]

....and WAY out front in my quest to have the most posts this game.

BOOM!

[PeregrineV]

So seriously to gerrygoat, what are your current reads on all living players and why and howfor did you reach those reads?

Was this ever answered by Gerry?

Don't really care right now. It's not important. I already have my scumread and that's all that matters. No one really stands out as townie to me other than Dunn i guess.

So it's really up to us to figure if you are scum that can't scumhunt because you are scum, or town that don't give a shit.

Can you see how one is perfect for your scum wincon, and the other horrible for your town wincon?

[PeregrineV]

how did this Gear wagon gain so much traction

It's got 2 scum on it.

[PeregrineV]

So seriously to gerrygoat, what are your current reads on all living players and why and howfor did you reach those reads?

Was this ever answered by Gerry?

Don't really care right now. It's not important. I already have my scumread and that's all that matters. No one really stands out as townie to me other than Dunn i guess.

So it's really up to us to figure if you are scum that can't scumhunt because you are scum, or town that don't give a shit.

Can you see how one is perfect for your scum wincon, and the other horrible for your town wincon?

Oh god this is so fake. No one is this uptight about reads as town. I am clearly outing reads. If you were really worried about my reads you'd just iso me

The answer I guess would be no, you cannot see it.

[PeregrineV]

V/LA- November 21-28

[PeregrineV]

I don't think anything has changed, but let me know if it has.

Vote: Nahdia

[PeregrineV]

RK and Titus are my top TRs and Nahdia comes in a close 3rd

Nahdia wagon has my top SRs on it...

I know I know, I sucked it with dunnstral this game, but otherwise, I think all is good

PV come hammer this scum pls

or whichever of you on Nahdia wants town-cred for the hammer, but it won't get you much

oh der PV is on Nahdia, yehhh

hmmm

RK for the hammers

Votecount 5.3

They wanted to measure how long it took for the boat to arrive after it had departed.
They estimated that it would be about an hour.

It took two hours because it was latency.

Nahdia

(4): gerryoat, Gear, Bins, PeregrineV

Bins

(4): drealmerz7, Nahdia, BigYoshiFan, Titus

gerryoat

(1): Road Kamelot

Not Voting

(0):

9 players, 5 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2016-12-03 15:18:00)

Prodding Road Kamelot.

This is very pretty.

[PeregrineV]

Votecount 5.3

They wanted to measure how long it took for the boat to arrive after it had departed.
They estimated that it would be about an hour.

It took two hours because it was latency.

Nahdia

(4): gerryoat, Gear, Bins, PeregrineV

Bins

(4): drealmerz7, Nahdia, BigYoshiFan, Titus

gerryoat

(1): Road Kamelot

Not Voting

(0):

9 players, 5 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2016-12-03 15:18:00)

Prodding Road Kamelot.

Just this

[PeregrineV]

Nahdia

(4):

gerryoat

,

Gear

,

Bins

,

PeregrineV

Bins

(4): drealmerz7,

Nahdia

, BigYoshiFan, Titus

gerryoat

(1):

Road Kamelot

[PeregrineV]

and no I'm jsut horrible town in this game, sorry all,

not scum

If this is true, Yoshi and Titus are the last 2 scum. Which do you want to lynch more, and why?

[PeregrineV]

you fucking serious?

after all that I was thinking gear was town and it is byf and PV that are the scum with bins

ffs

well, at least it won't be on me, right?

UNVOTE: bins
VOTE: gear

BINS....don't think this means you've won...it's just...the pain must end...and hey, maybe I'm wrong!!! yeah! let's hope for that!

That's fast...

No claim either...

I was posting simultaneously...

the preview did come up, and I did see it, but, mehhh, fuckit, do we really want to go back and forth again? was my thought, it was kind of impulsive and it waslike 'OMG THE RED BUTTON DO OR NOT YES YES YES GOGOGO!" and I pressed it

Hmmmm-

I could go for lynching YOSHI since he was the hammerer without a claim

[PeregrineV]

Sometimes games just solve themselves....

[PeregrineV]

seriously though if this were me as scum it would be the craziest scum performance of all time

do you really think it's true?

it's not

this is drealmer's worst game ever and you better believe it

Except I spent many a post pointing out how you and Nahdia flipped your reads on one another.

All of that is still valid, and now even more relevant.

[PeregrineV]

did she flip her read on me first? she might have totally gotten me to TR her for changing her read on me because she started "channeling" my views or something to get me buddied with her. I'm totes town ppls

*quick checkin from work sshhhhh*

Doesn't matter who did it first. You have the strongest ties with her.

[PeregrineV]

PV I'd like your input


I think that this has been said but I'm honestly scared of a no lynch in this setup

What's up?

Not sure why we would no lynch.

2. drealmerz7 -probably mafia
5. Titus- was leanign towards not mafia because of predecssor
7. BigYoshiFan- PoE at this point
12. gerryoat- Could have done in Bins instead of Nahdia
13. Bins-town
14. PeregrineV-town

Vote:drealmerz7

[PeregrineV]

I certainly didn't bus transcend

fucking look at that shit ppls

I don't know what you mean. You didn't vote him? Or you did?

And why do I care?

[PeregrineV]

if you care to solve the game
you will see my attitude at transcend from the beginning and then when he bullys the D1 hammer and then I am on him for like 2 Days geezusfuck don't sign up for games if you can't keep up

oh wait you probs just scum too!

Except, you did not rspond to anyhting I said-

2. drealmerz7- You. Scum.

5. Titus - inherited a townread from Gamma. Not much interested in lynching today, esp. with you available. If you think she is scum, let's here it. If she is town for non-role reasons, let's hear it.
7. BigYoshiFan - I did look at iso, don't see anything that sticks out as scummy. However, the last three are prob-town,very prob-town, and absolute town.

12. gerryoat - Despite play I don't like, did not lynch Bins, who is the 2nd strongest townread left.
13. Bins- Role mostly, some play-based, 2nd strongest TR left.
14. PeregrineV- Mod send me a green PM.

If you want any chance of being listened to, even remotely, you need to start on some in depth analysis of the 2 in bold, and why they are better to lynch than you, who have Nahadia-scum entwined in your postingDNA this game.

[PeregrineV]

Drealmerz I feel semi confident I can read him. Never seen his scum game. That hammer though...

Byf just has always felt town.

Yes, considering the large number of games we have been in, I expect you can provide in depth analysis of why you scumread me.

Since you have this high confidence level that surprises me that drealmerz is town, I'd like to hear your indepth analysis of

why

drealmerz is town.

The last person to townread him flipped

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof Goon.

[PeregrineV]

Not getting the no-lynch thing

[PeregrineV]

at least gerry is scum from those lists

he needs 1 scum to be right in case they get killed before him - scumbuddy very often puts scumbuddy in the list

Then why did Gerry lynch Nahdia yesterday over Bins?

[PeregrineV]

dreal thinks everyone plays that long con

Maybe, but at this point he is just flailing to lynch anyone but him.

He's doing a good job not implicating his partner, though....

[PeregrineV]

Do you think cause transcend said there was 4 mafs means there could be 4 mafs, or was it wifom.

16 players is kind of a standard of 4 scum.

I have seen any power roles or such that might indicate more or less, so sticking to conventional wisdom of 4.

[PeregrineV]

Hey, you think Drealmerz as scum fights for bad reads? No.

Drealmerz gerryoat bins Titus

That's your town team.

Interesting.

Unfortunately for you, I can see my role PM and know I'm town.

So that, in effect, makes you wrong.

Why is Titus wrong, I ask?

Like I did here-> 2645

[PeregrineV]

Nevermind- Titus is scum.

how is scum not obviously dreal / byf rn

I have a weak townread on Drealmerz and a

strong one on byf

. I also townread gerryoat.

Drealmerz I feel semi confident I can read him. Never seen his scum game. That hammer though...

Byf just has always felt town.

Hey, you think Drealmerz as scum fights for bad reads? No.

Drealmerz gerryoat bins Titus

That's your town team.

Your unexplained BigYoshi read change is giving it away. You've probably been doing it since you replaced in, but I have been tracking real close, since I didn't think there was a need to.

Oh well, just goes to show.

Lynch drealmerz today.

If I am alive tommorrow Titus, I will be for lynching you and only you.

[PeregrineV]

I looked at the VCs. Bite me scum.

You posted all of them. You failed to show us anything that a mod ISO doesn't show.

You know there is no tomorrow if Drealmerz flips.

Becasuse he's town, to, you. But, factually, for him to be town then I have to be wrong. I've asked you to prove where I'm wrong. You've still ignored that.

You only have to pull 2 dumb town to Drealmerz. Meanwhile I gotta pull 3.

Good news is if I can beat Drealmerz to the vote tomorrow, I might just save this.

Except you've avoided like reasons, or convincing, or stuff like that.
Just know if you kill Bins tonight, I will go after you. If you kill me, you might have a chance at fooling everyone left.

[PeregrineV]

I am not convincing scum his mislynch is town.

You think byf is scum, vote him or no lynch. That's the best way you can prove you're town to me. The time for words has passed.

I have no idea about Yoshi, as I've stated before. He was PoE at best.

If you think I'm scum, why are you trying to tell me how to vote?

If Yoshi is scum with you, and drealmerz is town, then you would be all over drealmerz to end the game.

Your not all over him, nor will he ever vote you, but you are both ok with Yoshi.

Despite your townread all game on Yoshi (as per 2 pages ago?).

Vote: Drealmerz

[PeregrineV]

I forgot about the vig. They can be confirmed town. If it's Yoshi, Titus, or drealmerz, they should claim it now.

And lest we forget...

Vote: drealmerz

[PeregrineV]

I think it's Gerry. Not that it matters, but if it is Yoshi, then I'm really sticking with Drealmerz and Titus as scum.

[PeregrineV]

Gerry denied being the vig.

He did.

[PeregrineV]

I'm not the vig.

Too bad. It would make the endgame easier.

[PeregrineV]

VT

How long until you vote drealmerz?

[PeregrineV]

you realize Gerry shot Nahdia right


so it's PV AND ME but I'm not scum so you're wrong
and I guess we'll find out if BYF quick hammers

PV/BYF is the only downfall
I'd still prefer BYF dammit

Not scum, so you don't have to worry.

Hammer is up to Yoshi, since Titus won't do it.

But I'm feeling good.

Nahdia (4): gerryoat, Gear, Bins, PeregrineV

drealmerz7 (3): gerryoat, PeregrineV, Bins

Vs.

Gear

(5 - LYNCH):

Road Kamelot

, BigYoshiFan,

Titus

,

Nahdia

,

drealmerz7

Nahdia

(4): gerryoat,

Gear

, Bins, PeregrineV

[PeregrineV]

Ok Gerry is uncced vig. That's slotting him in as town. Bins is likely town due to reaction.

If Gerry and Bins are town, PV/Byf must be the scumteam for a town Drealmerz.

Bins, can you unvote? I still get the creeps on PV. It could be PV with either Dreal or BYF but I don't trust this. Byf hasn't been on and I don't want him to be able to hammer.

you realize Gerry shot Nahdia right


so it's PV AND ME but I'm not scum so you're wrong
and I guess we'll find out if BYF quick hammers

PV/BYF is the only downfall
I'd still prefer BYF dammit

Not scum, so you don't have to worry.

Hammer is up to Yoshi, since Titus won't do it.

But I'm feeling good.

Nahdia (4): gerryoat, Gear, Bins, PeregrineV

drealmerz7 (3): gerryoat, PeregrineV, Bins

Vs.

Gear

(5 - LYNCH):

Road Kamelot

, BigYoshiFan,

Titus

,

Nahdia

,

drealmerz7

Nahdia

(4): gerryoat,

Gear

, Bins, PeregrineV

This post is hella posturing and trying to keep Byf as the hammer.

Bins, you should have hammer as consensus town if we lynch.

None of your posts make sense. If Yoshi is my partner and on, then he hammers and we win.

instead, I can only hope he hammers, since I do not think its a drealmerz/Yoshi team.

Bins is already voting- why would she unvote just to vote again? (That's right, makes no sense).

[PeregrineV]

Yes, byf hammers and you win, which is why I want Bins to unvote. Bins scumreads Byf, and you seem rather intent on that hammer happening. Asking Bins to unvote makes total sense.

Except he's had plenty of time to scumhammer if what you are saying is supposed to make sense.

therefore, it does not.

[PeregrineV]

you realize Gerry shot Nahdia right


so it's PV AND ME but I'm not scum so you're wrong
and I guess we'll find out if BYF quick hammers

PV/BYF is the only downfall
I'd still prefer BYF dammit

Not scum, so you don't have to worry.

Hammer is up to Yoshi, since Titus won't do it.

But I'm feeling good.

Nahdia (4): gerryoat, Gear, Bins, PeregrineV

drealmerz7 (3): gerryoat, PeregrineV, Bins

Vs.

Gear

(5 - LYNCH):

Road Kamelot

, BigYoshiFan,

Titus

,

Nahdia

,

drealmerz7

Nahdia

(4): gerryoat,

Gear

, Bins, PeregrineV

this is honestly a town response


VOTE: BYF

cause this is what i'm hearing

What?

[PeregrineV]

i will do either i'm pretty convinced BYF/dreal is the scum team lmfao

If you think BYF/ drealmerz and I think drealmerz/Titus, wouldn't drealmerz make the most sense?

[PeregrineV]

Yes, byf hammers and you win, which is why I want Bins to unvote. Bins scumreads Byf, and you seem rather intent on that hammer happening. Asking Bins to unvote makes total sense.

Except he's had plenty of time to scumhammer if what you are saying is supposed to make sense.

therefore, it does not.

He hasn't been on either way.

Do you scumread byf? Or not?

I guess i would say (for the 3rd time or 4th time) he would be PoE.

My absolute

BIGGEST

scumread for the 100 reasons I've given and repeated is drealmerz.

Your mega defense of him makes you 100% more likely.

[PeregrineV]

i will do either i'm pretty convinced BYF/dreal is the scum team lmfao

I am pretty convinced byf/PV.

I am also convinced you should be the hammerrer.

Force scum to make plays and not quick hammer.

This is scumlogic. Being the hammer vote has no bearing on the game or the flip.

[PeregrineV]

i will do either i'm pretty convinced BYF/dreal is the scum team lmfao

If you think BYF/ drealmerz and I think drealmerz/Titus, wouldn't drealmerz make the most sense?

nah titus is town

Except she will lynch anyone except drealmerz. Exactly like Nahdia.

So tell me why she is town, when Nahdia wasn't.

[PeregrineV]

My teams are

Pv/byf
Pv/dreal

Fuck this game

Mine says lynch pv

No, please, kill my buddy dreal. He is a PR.

[PeregrineV]

Yeah, I won't mislynch the townie, so you'll keep byf just this side of lynchable but never vote him.

That's the issue.

If you are nightkilled tonight after we lynch drealmerz, then Yoshi will be the lynch.

Issue solved from the town POV.

[PeregrineV]

because her predecessor claimed a vig shot on someone that scum wouldnt shoot

also she's been annoyingly town

Then why does she have the exact same townread on drealmerz that Nahdia did?
Give details about why she thinks drealmerz is town.

[PeregrineV]

Yeah, I won't mislynch the townie, so you'll keep byf just this side of lynchable but never vote him.

That's the issue.

If you are nightkilled tonight after we lynch drealmerz, then Yoshi will be the lynch.

Issue solved from the town POV.

There will be no nk after a drealmerz lynch if we lose. That's why byf cannot hammer. Bins has hammer.

That. Makes. Zero. Sense.

If Bins votes 1, 2, 3 or last, the lynch is the same.

There has to be a NK, because I don't think 3 scum, numbers say 4. Actions say you.

[PeregrineV]

tbh dreal has been playing very well if he is scum
acting pretty town
my scumread on him is pretty much PoE this point but its very good PoE and i can 100% see this play as scum

also scum partners having the same read on another partner is pretty silly to scumread someone

Except they have no choice. Nahdia did a 180 on drealmerz, and he did the same to her because bussing was no longer viable.

Same as now. Titus and dreal cannot bus.

Titus cannot NK you, because she knows I will lock on her day7. She will have to kill me, then try to convince you that Yoshi is scum.

[PeregrineV]

If you're town, you need me bins and Gerry to agree.

That's only on BYF.

I don't need you, since you will never lynch drealmerz. Ever.

I need Bins, Gerry, me and Yoshi.

Meanwhile, a trip down memory lane....

VOTE: Bins

Trollolol.

Nahdia is town

. Dunn is town. Yoshi might be town despite that.

With Bins on this wagon, I don't like it.

Nahdia is town

due to preemptive wagon analysis.

Bins and gear are likely scum.

Nahdia Gerryoat BigYoshi and Dunn likely town

.

Bins is scum.

VOTE: Bins

Drealmerz, no.

Nahdia is town.

RK and Titus are my top TRs and Nahdia comes in a close 3rd

Nahdia wagon has my top SRs on it...

I know I know, I sucked it with dunnstral this game, but otherwise, I think all is good

RK isn't likely town

.

Please give reasons for your choice.

Nahdia is town btw

.

how is scum not obviously dreal / byf rn

I have a weak townread on Drealmerz and a strong one on byf

. I also townread gerryoat.

[PeregrineV]

PV, the only way you don't need me is a scum claim.

All town needs all town. Scum mathmatically do not have to bus.

If I am not on a wagon, it's a loss for town more likely than not.

If you want a Drealmerz lynch, you'll need to convince me, tomorrow and lynch byf today.

Nope, we have 4 votes.

If you don't want to bus, then fine, don't bus.

[PeregrineV]

Bins, it's on you.

[PeregrineV]

And if I haven't said it before- VT here.

[PeregrineV]

Votecount 6.3

I met these two people wearing smiling Guy Fawkes masks.

They were a pair-o'-grin-V's.

And I did catch this!!

[PeregrineV]

Still a night 1 vigilante.

Still cannot do Drealmerz because fmypov there's known scum on it.

No one expects you to vote drealmerz. If he was town, he'd already be dead.

Bins needs to hammer, which meets your compromise requirements

Bins, i meant what i said about you hammerring.

[PeregrineV]

Bins, can you vote Byf so we can end the day?

FTFY

&

I concur.

[PeregrineV]

are mafia vigs aloud in normal games?

Maybe, but she could be a rolecop. That gives her the role and provides for the big fakeclaim.

Why the unvote?

[PeregrineV]

Vig

[PeregrineV]

Pretty much me Bins Gerry are all confirmed town.

That means at least one of PV/byf is scum.

Somehow leaving out dreamerz, and never answering the "why" he is confirmed town TO YOU.

[PeregrineV]

Great, I will vote byf or PV then. You and Gerry pick.

No. Your mega defense of nahdia and calling her town and making everyone else try to lynch her?

No.

Vote dreamerz.

[PeregrineV]

Everyone here. Vote who you want to lynch in order. Name everyone. From 1-5 (1 being most wiling to lynch, 5 being least willing to lynch)

Drealmerz




Titus/Yoshi - let's see drealmerz flip and who helps to achieve it.

Bins
Gerrygoat
Me

Now lynch drealmerz.

[PeregrineV]

Honestly can't justify not voting dreal here

VOTE: dreal

Gerry i will not vote Dreal, find out who you think is bussing him.

Never ever. Solid townread. Still. Because reasons.

Vote: drealmerz

[PeregrineV]

whichever of you is town

GET OFF OF ME

Need one more!

C'mon Bins, vote drealmerz.

[PeregrineV]

If Gerry refuses to choose in the pool I will lynch, I will choose. Gerry knows I am town. He should KNOW that any wagon we don't agree on hits town.

I don't get these logic burps from you, Titus.

You sound like you are saying if Gerry refuses to choose within the players you want to lynch, that you will choose the players you want to lynch.

What kind of statement is that?

Any wagon you don't agree on hits town?

How does that make any sense?

Use yesterday as an example (where you both refused to vote Nahdia and both voted Bins):

Votecount 5.3

They wanted to measure how long it took for the boat to arrive after it had departed.
They estimated that it would be about an hour.

It took two hours because it was latency.

Nahdia

(4): gerryoat, Gear, Bins, PeregrineV

Bins

(4): drealmerz7, Nahdia, BigYoshiFan, Titus

gerryoat

(1): Road Kamelot

Not Voting

(0):

9 players, 5 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2016-12-03 15:18:00)

Prodding Road Kamelot.

[PeregrineV]

PV, stop acting like a dumb ass if town.

In mylo all town must agree. Gerry and I are town. Any wagon that can go through without us both has scum on it.

Gerry shot scum. Gerry is town.

When Drealmerz flips scum, will scum be on the wagon?

[PeregrineV]

So, I gave Gerry a pool. I tr drealmerz for this very analysis. If he thinks Drealmerz is scum, he can find the busser.

Your pool conists of every player that is NOT drelamerz.

Here is another logic burp:

Honestly can't justify not voting dreal here

VOTE: dreal

Gerry i will not vote Dreal, find out who you think is bussing him.

you will not vote Dreal, but someone is bussing him. Since only scum can bus, you know drealmerz is scum. Yet you won't vote him.

[PeregrineV]

reading through the first few pages of this game like PV why did u respond to every post omg

I had more time and only a few games, plus was hoping for better reads and to care more about playing.

Seemed to work, since we are at 4-2.

[PeregrineV]

what does dw stand for?

[PeregrineV]

My pool is PV and Byf.

then park your vote there and wait.

You've not proven drealmerz is town, so if you won't vote for him it'll be up to the rest of us.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: dreal

sorry if im wrong !! !! !! !

If you are scum you can just say so, since you won.

But since I don't think you are----


I hope I die tonight instead of you

[PeregrineV]

Sunday sonwill be. A I tommorw

[PeregrineV]

No lynch is best. I no longer have delusions about being right about anything, so if around day8 will look things over then.
Would like to hear everyone thought before night.
As for me, I no longer got any.

[PeregrineV]

Goodbye night5 vig. Your flip will win us the game

[PeregrineV]

Vote: No Lynch

[PeregrineV]

No, just a VT.

Vote: BigYoshiFan

[PeregrineV]

Oh ffs. why couldn't I have died. I'll hammer within the next few days. Give me your cases on each other.

He should have killed you. Bins was way more unconfirmed, and her living another night would have really freaked me out.

[PeregrineV]

Oh ffs. why couldn't I have died. I'll hammer within the next few days. Give me your cases on each other.

Case?

Sure.

I'm town. You're town. The game is not over.

That leaves Yoshi as scum.

If it helps, his first post of the day is not presuming I'm scum, which I 100% have to be to his eyes.

But, are you looking for anything else?

[PeregrineV]

PV i'm leaning on hammering you so bring a better case than that

That's OK, because I'd rather be on this side than the one who decides if we win or lose the game.

I made hard cases for drealmerx being scum, and was 100% sure Titus was scum with him, and was wrong on both.

Why would you suddenly find me credible?

If you want me to just quote posts of Yoshi that I think are scummy then say so, but your gonna look through us both anyway, so not sure, again, what you want from me.

[PeregrineV]

Oh ffs. why couldn't I have died. I'll hammer within the next few days. Give me your cases on each other.

Case?

Sure.

I'm town. You're town. The game is not over.

That leaves Yoshi as scum.

If it helps, his first post of the day is not presuming I'm scum, which I 100% have to be to his eyes.

But, are you looking for anything else?

Of course I'm presuming you're scum. Really the only chance, however slim, to convince me otherwise is to claim you shot Nahdia. That is why I asked, to absolutely confirm over everything else that you are scum to me.

Why would I ever try to convince you of anything? You had to kill Bins to be able to end-game because she (should have) protected gerry, but he can't be scum to me since I figured he was the vig.

[PeregrineV]

it would be nice if we lynched in: transcend, drealz, BigYoshi.

Nah dreal towntold a few pages back
totally w ya on Transcend tho kill that one

And bigyoshi isnt on a team with transcend i dont think

We are

Here Transcend points out that he and Yoshi are on the same team.

[PeregrineV]

Oh ffs. why couldn't I have died. I'll hammer within the next few days. Give me your cases on each other.

Case?

Sure.

I'm town. You're town. The game is not over.

That leaves Yoshi as scum.

If it helps, his first post of the day is not presuming I'm scum, which I 100% have to be to his eyes.

But, are you looking for anything else?

Of course I'm presuming you're scum. Really the only chance, however slim, to convince me otherwise is to claim you shot Nahdia. That is why I asked, to absolutely confirm over everything else that you are scum to me.

Why would I ever try to convince you of anything?

You had to kill Bins to be able to end-game because she (should have) protected gerry, but he can't be scum to me since I figured he was the vig.

Okay... why is this specific to me? Gerry publicly claimed vig, so it's not far-fetched of you to kill Bins as you make it to be.

Because Bins was only a claim that had not been validated in any form.
There has been a kill every night, and the doctor was still alive?

That would have created way more doubt than leaving confirmed town alive.

I knew he was vig back when I said it. If I were scum, I woulnd't have pushed any of that shit, I would have just killed him.

[PeregrineV]

Anyways since I'm a nice guy,

my 3 scum partners

are one who is universally townread and ascetic, one who bussed me pretty hard, and one who will probably unfortunately get lynched

SINCE IM A NICE GUY!!!!!!!!! I WILL CATEGORIZE THEM FOR U

~Universally Townread and Ascetic~
BigYoshiFan
Gamma Emerald
Nahdia
PeregrineV
SpyreX

~Bussed me pretty hard >:(~
Dunnstral
gerryoat
Road Kamelot

~Prob gettin lynched tomorrow ~
Bins
drealmerz7
Gear

Some people are in multiple categories but I made it easy for you.

And here he says he had 3 scum partners.

Except he doesn't, since there are only 3 of you.

[PeregrineV]

Anyways since I'm a nice guy,

my 3 scum partners

are one who is universally townread and ascetic, one who bussed me pretty hard, and one who will probably unfortunately get lynched

SINCE IM A NICE GUY!!!!!!!!! I WILL CATEGORIZE THEM FOR U

~Universally Townread and Ascetic~
BigYoshiFan
Gamma Emerald
Nahdia
PeregrineV
SpyreX

~Bussed me pretty hard >:(~
Dunnstral
gerryoat
Road Kamelot

~Prob gettin lynched tomorrow ~
Bins
drealmerz7
Gear

Some people are in multiple categories but I made it easy for you.

And here he says he had 3 scum partners.

Except he doesn't, since there are only 3 of you.

I'm not that stupid. The reason I posted that is to show that not everything he says is credible.

Yes, so I look at how he interacted with you. I'm skipping all of the "Yoshi is town" posting that Transcend made, since gerry will find that when he looks.

[PeregrineV]

Ugh, just kill me already. That was a logic slip, sorry Bins.

explain this shit

i feel like im in the goddamn twilight zone why is no one reacting to this post that looks like something that was meant for the scum thread

She made swipes at you, but couldn't really sustain it what with only being 3 of you.

[PeregrineV]

you realize Gerry shot Nahdia right


so it's PV AND ME but I'm not scum so you're wrong
and I guess we'll find out if BYF quick hammers

PV/BYF is the only downfall
I'd still prefer BYF dammit

Not scum, so you don't have to worry.

Hammer is up to Yoshi, since Titus won't do it.

But I'm feeling good.

Nahdia (4): gerryoat, Gear, Bins, PeregrineV

drealmerz7 (3): gerryoat, PeregrineV, Bins

Vs.

Gear

(5 - LYNCH):

Road Kamelot

, BigYoshiFan,

Titus

,

Nahdia

,

drealmerz7

Nahdia

(4): gerryoat,

Gear

, Bins, PeregrineV

this is honestly a town response


VOTE: BYF

cause this is what i'm hearing

What?

Unfortunately, my ISO looks exactly like I am scum with you Yoshi, since I somehow avoided lynching you to end the game.



Ah well, up to gerry to pick the winner.

[PeregrineV]

Ugh, just kill me already. That was a logic slip, sorry Bins.

explain this shit

i feel like im in the goddamn twilight zone why is no one reacting to this post that looks like something that was meant for the scum thread

She made swipes at you, but couldn't really sustain it what with only being 3 of you.

Okay????

Aside from keeping you null all game, that was her only "attack" on you.

[PeregrineV]

If we're looking into other lynch options then I'll take my vote off so Bins isn't in danger of being hammered, and I'd advise someone on Nahdia's wagon do the same.
I mean... yeah Bins' role is something I wouldn't wanna lynch but at the same time, Bins gets more and more suspicious to me as we go on.
It's not something I can describe too well, and if I did it'd end up being a lot of superstition talk.
I never considered a Gear lynch because, well, I thought the lynch of the day would definitely be Nahdia or Bins, so I'll look into that right now.

Before I take my vote off, are we actually considering other lynches?

You know RK, I'm glad you brought up a Gear lynch. His posts seems very artificial and shallow.
Reading through his ISO:
- His reads were shit, if anything, they weren't well backed-up
- He's consistent with these reads, yet never makes an effort to explain these reads in depth (except mine, but he kinda had to otherwise his vote would be hella suspicious)
Some more on this, I feel like he made these long read posts so he can vote whoever he "scumread" and use his previous reads posts as reason why his vote isn't bullshit. I can't really see any other purpose to those posts because they don't have much reason involved with his reads and certainly won't convince other players of his reads, just to serve as a placeholder he can refer back to if anyone ever questioned his reads/votes.
- A lot of his posts are filler one-liners in my opinion (ESPECIALLY his most recent posts)
- Also, his posts, they contain very simple reasoning.
I'm really bad at explaining reads that aren't based on stone cold facts. I encourage you all to read through his ISO and maybe try and help me explain or tell me why Gear is town.
For now: VOTE: Gear
I've even lost this nervous feeling I had earlier because I'm that confident he's scum as compared to Bins/Nahdia.

P-edit: @Gerry, we have 4 days

Sure, here you scumread Bins/Nahdia all day, but eventually are ok voting Gear.

Do you mean like that?

[PeregrineV]

Sorry if wrong. I think the interactions Transcend and Nahdia had with BYF werent forced really.

VOTE: PV

Doh! Wrong pick

[PeregrineV]

More tommorrrow

[PeregrineV]

3 is kind of town sided, but, that just goes to show, town sided don;t mean a lock-win.

@Yoshi

- good job on winning for the scum.

@Gerry

- can you talk about why you decided me over Yoshi? Was there anything specific?

Lots of town vigs in the game, but more town targets for them to shoot. Glad Transcend was done in early, else n5 could have gone a lot different.

@Errant- Thanks for the game, I really enjoyed it!!!