Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[Titus]

Pedit: OK, so Creature did at one point have her on his list. Still why point to just two players when the earlier list from Creature had so many more.

who gives a damn about his mid-day scum list

i quoted his

final

reads, two of which are scummy for

other reasons also

That's not a reads list at all you quoted but a list of who might be scum on a wagon.

Again, why are you selectively pushing that when Creature wanted Jackal?

Why are you so confident Lil is town?

[Titus]

Again, why are you selectively pushing that when Creature wanted Jackal?

because i scum-read your slots for other reasons as well.

stop pretending you don't understand this please

Uzi has designated mislynch written all over him

So, basically you're cherrypicking posts that support lynching town. Got it. Stop pretending that it's a "reads list". You looked at Creature's ISO, found a quote that matched your agenda, and tried to pass it as a reads list.

What is your read on Jackal?

Why does Uzi have designated mislynch on him?

If you feel that drone was lynched to protect scum, who was that lynch protecting?

Cherrypicking agendas are not cool and you need to explain why you are doing that.

[Titus]

DECK x 42 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #26

Lil Uzi Vert (6)

- SpyreX, Fishythefish, Kison, milkshake, Titus, kraska77

Vedith (6)

- davesaz, Jackel98, gerryoat, gigabyeTroubadour, rb, Transcend

Drone (3)

- Vifam, MariaR, Vedith

Jackel98 (2)

- Maxous, Vecna

Transcend (1)

- McMenno

rb (1)

- drealmerz7

milkshake (1)

- Creature

MariaR (1)

- Drone

Not Voting (2)

Dunnstral, Lil Uzi Vert

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

This is the wagon count before Drone took off.

Why isn't Vedith getting attention here with this narrative?

[Titus]

I wake up to a dead creature things are looking up saturday.

What was the spark for the drone wagon?

Drone saying Uzi was a good lynch but voting Maria instead.

[Titus]

Vedith, what are your thoughts on Lil and the Drone wagon?

[Titus]

I could do Vedith rb. Not interested in Kraska.

[Titus]

Well, I will get you someday Vecna. He'll see.

[Titus]

I could go for vedith/kison/jackal/maxous/luv/vecna

McMenno and Dave if a gun was to my head I could compromise on.

I got solid trs on everyone else.

I will likely move to a larger wagon later.

[Titus]

Funny, I say I would move to a larger wagon, and the lil wagon disperses. Noted.

If we are lynching based off bad wagon, it would be Vedith not Uzi wagoned though.

RB, is there any reason to townread Maxous and assume townbeard?

[Titus]

It's midnight and I make my daily rounds. Sue me.

[Titus]

Funny, I say I would move to a larger wagon, and the lil wagon disperses. Noted.

What do you read into that? While I don't know the motivations of anyone else on the wagon, I think these are likely entirely unrelated.

I dunno yet, but I document and observe patterns. The Uzi/Kison link is still rather huge in my mind. More data (read: flips) will make that more useful.

[Titus]

Also if Vecna is scum I bet Titus is also

Comments like this make me want to strangle you Bart.

[Titus]

VOTE: Jackal

Seems like pretty common sense to sheep rb's scumreads and not vote his townreads until he's proven wrong.

[Titus]

Can you explain the TR on Kison?

He has enough :high effort: posts that i'm willing to call him town for now. Sure scum could do it, but why would you f'n bother in this current gamestate.

I think he's town tonally as well but eh that tends to be hard to explain. Just call it gut if you want

Garbage. Kison has like zero effort at all.

[Titus]

Ok, reading backwards and starting Kison/Luv documentation. As a bonus, it disproves effort. I will also have VCs so you can follow along.

[Titus]

Who tf would vig rb? -_-

Scum, hence why we should follow rb's reads.

[Titus]

Spoiler: relevant posts

VOTE: SpyreX

r u a scum

Hey everyone, let's have a good game!

VOTE: Drone

DECK x 42 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #2

Transcend (4)

- gigabyeTroubadour, kraska77, Creature, Vecna

Creature (4)

- McMenno, MagnaofIllusion, Titus, drealmerz7

SpyreX (1)

- Kison

MariaR (1)

- MariaR

Drone (1)

- Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (12)

- rb, Jackel98, Vedith, Transcend, gerryoat, Fishythefish, davesaz, Maxous, Drone, Dunnstral, SpyreX, Vifam

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

Kison I'm not ascums areu a scums

No way, I'm the town champ.

UNVOTE: SpyreX
VOTE: MariaR

DECK x 42 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #3

Creature (4)

- McMenno, MagnaofIllusion, Titus, drealmerz7

Transcend (3)

- gigabyeTroubadour, Creature, Vecna

Kison (3)

- Vifam, kraska77, MariaR

MariaR (2)

- Kison, SpyreX

Drone (1)

- Lil Uzi Vert

Vifam (1)

- davesaz

Not Voting (9)

- rb, Jackel98, Vedith, Transcend, gerryoat, Fishythefish, Maxous, Drone, Dunnstral

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

Kison's vote reads like RVS silliness to me.

No i wanna know why kison voted maria

Self vote, nervous & she seems the type to break under pressure. Let's do this.

Creature wagon is weaksauce.

No i wanna know why kison voted maria

Self vote, nervous & she seems the type to break under pressure. Let's do this.

Creature wagon is weaksauce.

The self vote pinged me, not sure what to make of it.

Nervousness isn't a scum tell.

Mod: How many cards are in the deck remaining?

42, including the current trump card.

Mod: What happens if a deck card is a diamond and a player has both a miller and a Godfather?

The abilities contradict each other so neither takes effect.

~~

DECK x 42 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #4

Kison (4)

- Vifam, kraska77, MariaR, gigabyeTroubadour

Lil Uzi Vert (3)

- SpyreX, Titus, Fishythefish

MariaR (2)

- Kison, Dunnstral

Transcend (2)

- Vecna, Maxous

Creature (2)

- McMenno, MagnaofIllusion

Dunnstral (2)

- Creature, drealmerz7

Vifam (2)

- davesaz, Lil Uzi Vert

Maxous (1)

- Jackel98

Not Voting (5)

- rb, Vedith, Transcend, gerryoat, Drone

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

Editing the Vote Count Information since it's not obvious that the Trump card is considered in the deck. Also linking the Discard Pile (which currently is empty).

This is the correct distribution of cards. Hopefully this clears up any confusion!

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #5

Kison (4)

- Vifam, kraska77, MariaR, gigabyeTroubadour

Lil Uzi Vert (3)

- SpyreX, Titus, Fishythefish

MariaR (2)

- Kison, Dunnstral

Transcend (2)

- Vecna, Maxous

Creature (2)

- McMenno, MagnaofIllusion

Dunnstral (2)

- Creature, drealmerz7

Vifam (2)

- davesaz, Lil Uzi Vert

Maxous (1)

- Jackel98

Not Voting (5)

- rb, Vedith, Transcend, gerryoat, Drone

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

UNVOTE:

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #6

Kison (3)

- Vifam, kraska77, gigabyeTroubadour

Lil Uzi Vert (3)

- SpyreX, Titus, Fishythefish

Maxous (2)

- Jackel98, Transcend

MariaR (2)

- Kison, Dunnstral

Transcend (2)

- Vecna, Maxous

Creature (2)

- McMenno, MagnaofIllusion

Dunnstral (2)

- Creature, drealmerz7

Vifam (1)

- davesaz

Not Voting (6)

- rb, Vedith, gerryoat, Drone, MariaR, Lil Uzi Vert

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #7

Lil Uzi Vert (5)

- SpyreX, Titus, Fishythefish, Drone, drealmerz7

Kison (3)

- Vifam, kraska77, gigabyeTroubadour

Maxous (2)

- Jackel98, Transcend

MariaR (2)

- Kison, Dunnstral

Transcend (2)

- Vecna, Maxous

Creature (2)

- McMenno, MagnaofIllusion

McMenno (2)

- Vedith, Creature

Vifam (1)

- davesaz

Vedith (1)

- rb

Not Voting (3)

- gerryoat, MariaR, Lil Uzi Vert

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #8

Lil Uzi Vert (5)

- SpyreX, Titus, Fishythefish, Drone, drealmerz7

Kison (3)

- Vifam, kraska77, gigabyeTroubadour

Maxous (2)

- Jackel98, Transcend

MariaR (2)

- Kison, Dunnstral

Transcend (2)

- Vecna, Maxous

Creature (2)

- McMenno, MagnaofIllusion

McMenno (2)

- Vedith, Creature

Vifam (1)

- davesaz

Vedith (1)

- rb

Not Voting (3)

- gerryoat, MariaR, Lil Uzi Vert

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

Giving this game a proper read.

I can't control how others respond to me.

You can control where you take conversations tho.

Indeed and I'm taking it for a ride in hopes of feeling better about Vifam's alignment.

Could you explain exactly what do you mean by "feeling better about Vifam's alignment" ?

@77:

I think our play styles just don't mesh at this point. I know we have only one completed game together but I think in the future I'm always going to have trouble reading you and vice versa.

Creature:

Why is Drone town?

Kison:

It means to feel less suspicious about someone.

UNVOTE: MariaR
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

VOTE: Vifam

This seems okay. I don't buy that he didn't bid, set-up talk is fine considering this isn't a normal game, and his theory about those voting for Maria doesn't make sense.

Why did you place your vote only immediately after Dunnstral (who provided zero reason for doing so)? You posted six times between your vote and when Vifam last posted, but never mentioned him once.

I can't control how others respond to me.

You can control where you take conversations tho.

Indeed and I'm taking it for a ride in hopes of feeling better about Vifam's alignment.

Could you explain exactly what do you mean by "feeling better about Vifam's alignment" ?

Kison:

It means to feel less suspicious about someone.

Seems like a weird mindset for town. I'd expect that you'd hope for the exact opposite and that your vote is in the right place.

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #9

Lil Uzi Vert (5)

- SpyreX, Titus, Fishythefish, drealmerz7, Kison

Transcend (5)

- Vecna, Maxous, kraska77, Dunnstral, McMenno

Vedith (2)

- gigabyeTroubadour, davesaz

Maxous (2)

- Jackel98, Transcend

Kison (1)

- Creature

McMenno (1)

- Vedith

Creature (1)

- MagnaofIllusion

davesaz (1)

- rb

Drone (1)

- Vifam

Not Voting (4)

- gerryoat, MariaR, Lil Uzi Vert, Drone

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

Uzi you have reasons to suspect me?

Not at the moment.

UNVOTE: MariaR
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

VOTE: Vifam

This seems okay. I don't buy that he didn't bid, set-up talk is fine considering this isn't a normal game, and his theory about those voting for Maria doesn't make sense.

Why did you place your vote only immediately after Dunnstral (who provided zero reason for doing so)? You posted six times between your vote and when Vifam last posted, but never mentioned him once.

I can't control how others respond to me.

You can control where you take conversations tho.

Indeed and I'm taking it for a ride in hopes of feeling better about Vifam's alignment.

Could you explain exactly what do you mean by "feeling better about Vifam's alignment" ?

Kison:

It means to feel less suspicious about someone.

Seems like a weird mindset for town. I'd expect that you'd hope for the exact opposite and that your vote is in the right place.

Not really sure what you're getting at with that question. Are you implying that I sheeped Dunn?

Why is it weird? I think it's normal for one to feel unsure.

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #10

Transcend (6)

- Vecna, Maxous, kraska77, Dunnstral, McMenno, MariaR

Lil Uzi Vert (5)

- SpyreX, Titus, Fishythefish, drealmerz7, Kison

Vedith (2)

- gigabyeTroubadour, davesaz

Maxous (2)

- Jackel98, Transcend

SpyreX (1)

- Creature

McMenno (1)

- Vedith

Creature (1)

- MagnaofIllusion

davesaz (1)

- rb

Drone (1)

- Vifam

Not Voting (3)

- gerryoat, Lil Uzi Vert, Drone

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

I'm well aware of the wagon on him. I reviewed every player separately in isolation and he was slimiest. The two points I honed in on I either hadn't seen covered or I provided more detail.

eh, i did feel kison's vote on uzi was a bit off.

felt like he was being overly semantic

/ 2 cents

It's not awkward wording(there is a reason I asked), but rather the intention he was claiming to have when placing the vote. Smells like scum excuse more than genuine town vote.

Are you implying that I sheeped Dunn?

Yep

@Creature:

Your list of suspects for who's scum on both mine and Transcend's wagons is about the same as mine. Kison's push on me is very nonsensical and it's interesting to note how quickly he abandoned Maria for me. McMenno's hop on Transcend was the most suspicious in my opinion and I didn't really like his 666.

@Dunn:

What is it that's pinging you about Jack? Excluding setup talk, his reads seem genuine and his questioning of cases feels town.

@Kison:

I don't see how you think I sheeped Dunn. I had reasons for my vote, he didn't.

Titus

, you haven't actually said why you think I'm scum, you just bolded some words, voted me, and then moved on.

Alright. Catchup from the mostly-garbage that is the last 20 pages.

VOTE: Jackel98

Don't let this guy slip by

I believe this warrants a response

Let's examine Jackel98's iso.

What do you guys think of Jackel98?

His posts seem fine to me. Is your sole reason for voting him that he has a low post count?

VOTE: Drone
Is this a wagon? Well it is now

When I came back to check the thread the first thing I saw was transcend with a ton of votes so I joined it for the fun of it
Had no idea why he was wagoned but joined anyway.

Okay. I don't now anyone in this game except SpyreX and I can clearly see the average playstyle on this site has degraded into something resembling a middle school gym class, so I need to ask this: is this how Maria typically plays? Not giving a single crap and just doing everything on a whim? There are others who seem to play like this but she's the one who is caching my eye the most.


Vecna's 905 is :goodposting: Clearly spent a lot of time reading the game in detail to catch up and actually looking for scum. More of this.

even if Transcend did use a random generator to pick his cards...if he seen something like a cop disabler come out in the results would he not think to himself "hmm...that would be bad for town, let me just randomise my cards again until i get a better result"

because if he's town and didn't even do a basic check that his cards weren't anti-town.... then wow?

Then idk what was his motivation.

Having thought about this a bit(and I think others have said similar), the big problem I have with the random card pick claim is not so much whether it's true, it's that it's far more beneficial for scum to make that claim than town. If he's seen to have sketch ass cards in his hands, all he has to do is say "lol i didn't pick those" and that's that.

I believe Trans on picking at random.

Why?

Kison's push on me is very nonsensical and it's interesting to note how quickly he abandoned Maria for me.

My Maria vote wasn't very serious.

Ill fight Kison over it anyday.

Settle down, Beavis

SpyreX wagon: Terrible. Good lord, if you start a wagon at least try to convince people why they should join it.

Is Kison always non existent?

Yes. 50 pages of mostly spam in 48 hours is not common in the time period I played(this is my first game in 4 and a half years). You, and anyone else who has a problem with that, will have to deal with the fact that I don't have 20 hours a day to spend posting worthless one-lined blather. Because it will not change.

I'm happy with my Uzi vote. He is not taking a stance on anything.

Uzi: Who is scum? Why? Why are you not voting anyone?

I could be persuaded to switch to Maria. I'd have to look at Vedith, didn't really see a ton there last I looked. SpyreX and Jackel wagons are crap.

@Mod: Will the end of Morning be announced in-thread?

No, it won't. Gotta do the timestamp math!

~~

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #18

Vedith (4)

- davesaz, rb, gigabyteTroubadour, Jackel98

Lil Uzi Vert (4)

- SpyreX, Fishythefish, Kison, MagnaofIllusion

MariaR (3)

- Creature, Vecna, Dunnstral

Jackel98 (3)

- Maxous, krasa77, Vedith

SpyreX (3)

- Titus, Transcend, Drone

Drone (2)

- Vifam, MariaR

rb (1)

- drealmerz7

Transcend (1)

- McMenno

Not Voting (2)

- gerryoat, Lil Uzi Vert

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

@Fish:

I can link you to one of my completed scum games if you would like.

@Kison:

What? It most definitely was. You voted for her and explained why without any signs of joking that I and I'm sure everyone else can see in your 141.

As for reads, I've decided to take a different approach this game and just town hunt. I did not expect to have such a difficult time but I guess I'm not ready to handle large games. Starting to think this will be first and last large game for a while.

I'm town reading Creature, Fish, Giga, and rb,

Very worried about Maria, McMemmo, and Vecna.

Scum reading you right now

VOTE: Kison

@Magna:

A bit. Doesn't seem like a solid reasoning to join considering that you haven't read.

@Titus:

Wow, we weren't on the same page at all. I'm a bit disappointed now. Thought you were hinting at the Inventory card. Also again, what creeps you out about me?

also why is jackel selfvoting

Looks like an error. Last vote I see him making is on Vedith.

DECK x 42 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #28

Lil Uzi Vert (5)

- SpyreX, Fishythefish, Kison, milkshake, Titus

Transcend (5)

- McMenno, gigabyteTroubadour, kraska77, Maxous, Jackel98

Drone (4)

- Vifam, MariaR, Vedith, Transcend

Vedith (3)

- davesaz, gerryoat, rb

Jackel98 (1)

- Vecna

rb (1)

- drealmerz7

milkshake (1)

- Creature

MariaR (1)

- Drone

Not Voting (2)

Dunnstral, Lil Uzi Vert

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

VOTE: Drone

Going to ISO Dave, Dunn, Gerry, Jack, and Max so I can get a better read on them.

DECK x 42 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #30

Drone (9)

- Vifam, MariaR, Vedith, Transcend, Titus, Vecna, gigabyteTroubadour, Fishythefish, Lil Uzi Vert

Transcend (5)

- McMenno, kraska77, Maxous, Jackel98, gerryoat

Lil Uzi Vert (3)

- SpyreX, Kison, milkshake

Vedith (1)

- davesaz

Vecna (1)

- Creature

rb (1)

- drealmerz7

MariaR (1)

- Drone

Not Voting (2)

Dunnstral, rb

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

DECK x 42 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #31

Drone (11)

- Vifam, MariaR, Vedith, Titus, Vecna, gigabyteTroubadour, Fishythefish, Lil Uzi Vert, milkshake, kraska77, Transcend

Transcend (4)

- McMenno, Maxous, Jackel98, gerryoat

Lil Uzi Vert (2)

- SpyreX, Kison

Vedith (1)

- davesaz

Vecna (1)

- Creature

rb (1)

- drealmerz7

MariaR (1)

- Drone

Not Voting (2)

Dunnstral, rb

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

DECK x 42 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 0

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #32

Drone (12)

- Vifam, MariaR, Vedith, Titus, Vecna, gigabyteTroubadour, Fishythefish, Lil Uzi Vert, milkshake, kraska77, Transcend, McMenno

Transcend (3)

- Maxous, Jackel98, gerryoat

Lil Uzi Vert (2)

- SpyreX, Kison

Vedith (1)

- davesaz

Vecna (1)

- Creature

rb (1)

- drealmerz7

MariaR (1)

- Drone

Not Voting (2)

Dunnstral, rb

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

Drone was lynched Day 1. He was a

Townie

with the following cards:

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Looking through all the Drone voters individually right now. Wagon sprang up from nowhere extremely quickly.

I believe this is an accurate & succinct timeline of the Drone wagon:

01) Dec 04 10:48 -

Vifam

: First on the wagon, dislikes his hop on the Uzi wagon (

here

).
02) Dec 07 10:07 -

MariaR

: Places vote 2 minutes after Drone votes her. First voted him

Dec 05

, later explainining she didn't like his iso

here

.
03) Dec 07 10:29 -

Vedith

:

Found it weird

that Drone voted MariaR while supporting the Uzi wagon, which was leading at the time.
04) Dec 07 11:28 -

Transcend

: Hated Drone's MariaR vote. Was pushing Drone pretty consistently throughout the day. Only solid reason given is

here

.
05) Dec 07 12:27 -

Titus

: First scum read I can find is

Dec 06

. Has in scum list again on

Dec 06

. Wants either Drone or Kison wagon again

Dec 06

. "Drone's scum"

Dec 07

. Votes later Dec 07.
06) Dec 07 12:55 -

Creature

: "Bah whatever" - just following Titus. Had been calling Drone town earlier.
07) Dec 07 13:05 -

Vecna

: "Finally something sensible. Id join a Drone wagon." First suspicion on

Dec 05

for white knighting Transcend. Reaffirms willingness to join Drone wagon

here

.
08) Dec 07 13:47 -

gigabyteTroubadour

: I think following Titus as well. No reason given. On

Dec 06

, had Drone in "willing to wagon due to scumreading/nullreading:" category, and

later that day

says "i've completely ignored drone though not going to lie"
09) Dec 07 16:47 -

Fishythefish

: First mentions Drone in the same post he votes. Thinks iso is scummy, not attempting genuine reads, not following up on suspicions, trying to look busy.
10) Dec 07 16:49 -

Lil Uzi Vert

: No reason given here. He had doubts about Drone scum

Dec 05

. On

Dec 07

, he had a "Null scum" read on him, which he clarified a bit

here

.
11) Dec 07 16:53 -

rb

: Had doubts that Drone was scum

here

. No objection to Drone wagon

here

.
10) Dec 07 16:56 -

Creature

: Unvotes.
09) Dec 07 16:57 -

rb

: Unvotes, wants time to sort stuff out, has bad feeling about the wagon

here

.
10) Dec 08 13:33 -

milkshake

: Second post after replacing in. "Just voting the player with the most votes for now. I know he was at L-1 a little while ago. Was that a bad thing? ^_^" MoI had previously been on Drone for going after less active players.
11) Dec 08 13:39 -

kraska77

: Floated the idea of voting him as early as

Dec 05

. Has him as "lean scum" again on

Dec 05

. Did not like the idea of wagoning Drone on

Dec 07

, "no but wagoning him doesnt feel right ... and transcends been genuinely trying to fling shit there the most so my guess is drone's probably town"
11) Dec 08 15:04 -

Transcend

: Fake hammer - was already voting.
12) Dec 08 17:16 -

McMenno

: No reason given. Only real drone interaction I see is

here

.

I still need to look at everyone who

didn't

participate in the wagon, but I find several things intriguing here, so I will have some followup later.

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 7

DAY 2 VOTECOUNT #4

Transcend (5)

- McMenno, gigabyteTroubadour, kraska77, gerryoat, Jackel98

Lil Uzi Vert (4)

- drealmerz7, Fishythefish, Kison, MariaR

Jackel98 (3)

- rb, SpyreX, Dunnstral

Maxous (3)

- Titus, Transcend, Vedith

milkshake (1)

- Maxous

kraska77 (1)

- milkshake

gerryoat (1)

- Vecna

Not Voting (3)

- davesaz, Lil Uzi Vert, Vifam

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-19 13:01:49)

These two Drone votes looked worst to me:

He's flipping town
i just got lonely voting scum

I hadn't noticed this when I made my last post. Your vote already looked bizarre due to the "drone's probably town" comment that you made beforehand. Please explain this to me, because I don't at all understand why you'd vote someone you thought would flip town with no deadline urgency.

UNVOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
VOTE: Kraska77

So somebody put that Alpha Deck Rig card on top of the deck?

VOTE: Drone

Just voting the player with the most votes for now. I know he was at L-1 a little while ago. Was that a bad thing? ^_^

Did you have any suspicion at all that Drone was scum when you cast this vote? It looks like you hadn't read a lick of the game and had no opinion one way or the other.

McMenno's hammer also was also bad considering he had one minor interaction with Drone all day.

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 7

DAY 2 VOTECOUNT #5

Transcend (4)

- McMenno, kraska77, gerryoat, Jackel98

Jackel98 (4)

- rb, SpyreX, Dunnstral, davesaz

Maxous (2)

- Titus, Vedith

kraska77 (2)

- milkshake, Kison

Lil Uzi Vert (2)

- drealmerz7, MariaR

drealmerz7 (1)

- Transcend

Titus (1)

- Maxous

gerryoat (1)

- Vecna

Not Voting (4)

- Lil Uzi Vert, Vifam, Fishythefish, gigabyteTroubadour

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-19 13:01:49)

ATTENTION TOWNIES, rb has been killed Day 2. He was a

Townie

with the following cards:

~~

DECK x 41 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 10

DAY 2 VOTECOUNT #6

Jackel98 (3)

- SpyreX, Dunnstral, davesaz

Transcend (2)

- McMenno, Jackel98

Maxous (2)

- Titus, Vedith

kraska77 (2)

- milkshake, Kison

Lil Uzi Vert (2)

- drealmerz7, gerryoat

MariaR (2)

- kraska77, Vecna

drealmerz7 (1)

- Transcend

Titus (1)

- Maxous

Vedith (1)

- MariaR

Not Voting (4)

- Lil Uzi Vert, Vifam, Fishythefish, gigabyteTroubadour

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-19 13:01:49)

Ok, we look at Kison interactions with Lil Uzi. He's always in the middle of the wagon, with very little follow through or consistency. Kison jumps on Uzi initially after no interaction with him after hoping Maria would break.

He says that Uzi is where we should look after Uzi's wagon takes off but changes his mind to Kraska when that takes off. Kison does IioA rather than sorting. Uzi also isn't having follow through to sort Kison back.

[Titus]

Look his ISO

[Titus]

Titus, you still think Kison/LUV are scum together?

Yes. I also think Jackal is scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: MariaR

Trying to fake reasons that RB wasn't a scumkill. There's a big difference between being uninformed and trying to look like uninformed, this is the latter.

That's absurb. This vote is terrible.

[Titus]

Titus, you still think Kison/LUV are scum together?

Yes. I also think Jackal is scum.

How do you feel about maria's posting on this page? Still think shes town?

Yes, particularly after Dave's craptastic vote.

[Titus]

Glad you keep reinforcing my feeling that youre strongly town Kraska

Kraska and I are damn near in agreement, yet you hate my reads and love theirs...what gives?

[Titus]

He just annoys me in general. 2658, most recently. I could also vote Kraska, but she's been said to be obvtown so much for reasons I can't remember that I won't bother.

Also, the lynching people above Titus thing was about the Jack of Clubs, right?

No. You being lynched is due to a total lack of scumhunting.

[Titus]

I am losing my tr on Drealmerz

[Titus]

@mod:

was my vote deliberately not counted because I misspelled "Jackel"?

VOTE: Jackel98

We are lynching in rb's lynch pool - {mariaR/vedith/titus/jackel}. rb was obviously town, but if those reads were wrong scum would have had little motivation to kill him. So, townies should get their asses in gear, read up on these players, and vote one of them.

Of those players, Titus is the one I know least about. I'll be having a read of her tonight.

I agree pending 1 verification.

Mod: At what time was the scum shot submitted?

[Titus]

Was it a scum factional kill?

[Titus]

Also this jackel wagon is super fishy. All the lurkers are voting another lurker for lurking? All the people that arent scumhunting are voting someone else that isnt scumhunting?

Another misrep on the wagon by another scumread.

[Titus]

Also this jackel wagon is super fishy. All the lurkers are voting another lurker for lurking? All the people that arent scumhunting are voting someone else that isnt scumhunting?

Another misrep on the wagon by another scumread.

How about you answer my previous question? Also im going to make you eat those words.

Poisoner, of course you would have seen my analysis if you were actually a setup nerd.

[Titus]

anyway, it is 130 am. I am off to bed.

You should read Jackal's ISO.

[Titus]

Jackal is still scum guys. Look at the resistance and misrep to his wagon. Jackal's ISO is devoid of scumhunting. His wagon has been misrepped as looking for the jack, reasonless, and rushed by scum for starters. None of it is true. The same players that are resisting (minus Giga) are consistent with my scum pool.

[Titus]

Uzi isn't town. Wagon analysis is how I do things. Jackal isn't either.

You got a reason for Jackal being town besides I was wrong on Drone? Or are you shading me to protect Jackal?

[Titus]

im here mcmentos what did i ignore

what's ur scum meta on me

God not that word again
Um
Mcmenno
When ure town i don't get ants in pants
When ure scum I do
The way you're interject yourself in the game's happenings feels stiff. You feel way more fluid and transparent when town
Sry if you were expecting some elaborate "meta" report I don't really do that crap

Hey, McMenno might be scum but no one cares for meta. Look at Jackal. K?

[Titus]

Yup. You've been shading me this entire thread Maxous, and interfering with my scumhunting while putting zero effort into solving me. I was wrong on Creature but I can tell when people are shading me. You deny your ISO is mostly picking at me?

[Titus]

@titus, mucous, vecna

stfu ure all town stop fiting

You scumread Transcend, so you owe me a second look at those two.

[Titus]

while putting zero effort into solving me

when i asked you to explain scumreads on the likes of Uzi you ignored me

I actually went through Kison and Uzi and explained why they are buddies with a full iso comparison. If you call that ignoring you, I guess you can ignore my green finger.

[Titus]

Transcend, what do you think of my reads? I am surprised no insults of my play. Where is the love?

[Titus]

VOTE: Karska

Stop trying to buddy up to people.
Lynch Karska for easy game easy money achievement.

Lynching town does tend to be easier.

What are your thoughts on Jackal's play?

[Titus]

Lynching town does tend to be easier.

What are your thoughts on Jackal's play?

Oh, you mis read it! I said Kraska to be lynched, it's okay.
I still think the same, he's an opportunist. He's only really posting when he has to and avoiding the game for me.

So, why aren't you voting Jackal?

I read your post fine.

[Titus]

maxous is bleeding town why is this even a topic of discussion

And then smack me over the head with why

You said Transcend was obvscum and well...

[Titus]

you said drone was scum and well

Yeah, I was wrong there and recalibrated. Scum came on after Vedith was pressured IMO. Vedith doesn't townread Jackal and tries to swing the lynch anywhere else.

I am actually more certain on Vedith, but I don't TR Maxous. If Maxous bleeds town, tell me why.

[Titus]

maxous is bleeding town why is this even a topic of discussion

And then smack me over the head with why

You said Transcend was obvscum and well...

Hey now be nice to her

She tried to meta me but her read on my bizarre playstyle was just not right.

Meta....

FARTS!

[Titus]

Titus

, are you scum reading Max for any other reasons besides his comments about you?

That's his whole ISO.

[Titus]

Titus

, are you scum reading Max for any other reasons besides his comments about you?

That's his whole ISO.

Except it isn't

He pushed Vedith and Transcend pretty hard and was like one of the first people to SR the MoI slot.

MoI and Transcend are town, but he never pushes anything. Shade and 90-95% of his posts are directly shading me or being contrarian to me

[Titus]

So how come you guys are so sure Titus isnt just trying to copy her own town-meta to feel all the meta-thinkers? clearly if the way you guys townread her is by being wrong, sloppy and not giving much of a shit....that shouldnt be too hard to fake.

Im quite sure this is gonna result in an " I told you so " situation down the line.

Except I was right on Transcend, right on rb, came around on Creature, right on kraska, right on giga, right on MariaR.

So fuck off on this shade that I was wrong once and now you try to paint me as lazy.

I am waiting until town wants to lynch you and Maxous, or just a post where you try to solve anything.

Oh wait Titus was wrong on Jackal, so let's not lynch him. Me being wrong before is NOT a reason to townread Jackal.

P.S. Vedith also called Jackal an opportunist and lacks a townread there but tried to wagon everywhere else.

[Titus]

@Titus - Look who's following you on that wagon... Doesn't look so good now does it?

Look at who's on the Karska wagon - That looks good now, doesn't it?

However, it does concern me that the people blindly sheeping you are considered as town to you and you don't find it strange. View on everyone voting Jackal? Town, correct?

The kraska wagon is excusively scumreads.

Do not try to oversimplify my reads as agreement = town. My reads on the slots were determined beforehand.

Bus already.

[Titus]

Vecna, how long are you going to attack every town in the book and demand a townread?

[Titus]

Meta... *farts*

[Titus]

@vecna, dreal

Stfu u two ure both town

Drealmerz is.

How many times are you going to tell Vecna to stop going after town until you realize his win convincingly dictates it?

[Titus]

Top picks would be McMeno & Milkshake for their inexplicable, opportunistic hops on the Drone wagon & overall poor/minimal scum hunting / contribution(though in Milkshake's case I liked MoI). Uzi for his early D1 play, being consistently present but not really scum hunting, large chunks of time where he's present but not using his vote. Poor Drone vote justification despite not being the worst.

I'd join a Mcmenno wagon in a heartbeat but I don't think it has traction today
Maria and jackel are both confirmed to have governer cards btw. Which of the two do you think is scummier and would rather lynch first?

When was a Maria confirmed to have a governor card? Why do we need to lynch governors?

[Titus]

@vecna, dreal

Stfu u two ure both town

Drealmerz is.

How many times are you going to tell Vecna to stop going after town until you realize his win convincingly dictates it?

How many times are you going to ignore scumska trying to buddy up to everyone?

Pedit there's only 2 gov cards and I have 1.

You cannot have a governor card.

[Titus]

Top picks would be McMeno & Milkshake for their inexplicable, opportunistic hops on the Drone wagon & overall poor/minimal scum hunting / contribution(though in Milkshake's case I liked MoI). Uzi for his early D1 play, being consistently present but not really scum hunting, large chunks of time where he's present but not using his vote. Poor Drone vote justification despite not being the worst.

I'd join a Mcmenno wagon in a heartbeat but I don't think it has traction today
Maria and jackel are both confirmed to have governer cards btw. Which of the two do you think is scummier and would rather lynch first?

When was a Maria confirmed to have a governor card? Why do we need to lynch governors?

This Kraska

[Titus]

You cannot have a governor card.

But I do! I have Jack Clubs

Stop trolling and deflecting from a Jackal wagon.

[Titus]

Why are you asking me this when u know that u bid on the card and didn't get it?

I am asking how Maria is confirmed to have a governor card, which has nothing to do with your bid.

[Titus]

I forgot about vedith. so Maria might not have it after all if jackel does

Pedit: what....? I give up in going to sleep

No. you seemed 100% certain Maria was governor, I want to know why.

[Titus]

So Titus, youre looking at the drealmerz response to the post I made....and you dont think its all at suspicious that he took it personally to the extent he did, regardless of at least 4 people having complained about the ammount of spam/trashposts etc at a certain point?

Your read of me is seriously clouding your judgement. Or at least that is what you want everyone to believe.

No. Dreamerz has two settings. Asleep and die motherfucker die.

[Titus]

Half the people voting me be like:

I SR ( Put anyone but Maria here)

*votes Maria*

VOTE: maria

Bad vote. Stop it.

[Titus]

This game needs more spyrex posts.

And less misreps from you. I want people to see you're scum and lynch Jackal. Not mutually exclusive.

[Titus]

So Titus, youre looking at the drealmerz response to the post I made....and you dont think its all at suspicious that he took it personally to the extent he did, regardless of at least 4 people having complained about the ammount of spam/trashposts etc at a certain point?

Your read of me is seriously clouding your judgement. Or at least that is what you want everyone to believe.

No. Dreamerz has two settings. Asleep and die motherfucker die.

tell me my settings pls :3

In this game, because you are town.

I want to hugs.
People avoid my hugs.
Why can't I be the nice townie when everyone is bickering?

[Titus]

So Titus, youre looking at the drealmerz response to the post I made....and you dont think its all at suspicious that he took it personally to the extent he did, regardless of at least 4 people having complained about the ammount of spam/trashposts etc at a certain point?

Your read of me is seriously clouding your judgement. Or at least that is what you want everyone to believe.

No. Dreamerz has two settings. Asleep and die motherfucker die.

tell me my settings pls :3

Mine too

I has townreads. I ignore townreads to chase after shiny baubles and expect my townreads to follow.

[Titus]

K

Who am i voting

I don't know if it will be possible for me to give a fuck this game

Jackal. It's the largest wagon.

[Titus]

True I do like hugs!
*opens arms* Hug? :3

*Hug*

I like love.

[Titus]

True I do like hugs!
*opens arms* Hug? :3

*sprays cyanide perfume* *hugs*

MariaR, Town Royally Lovable
Kraska, Town lightning Rod,
Titus, Town Smartass

Died n3 in a massive hugging wedding after exchanging rings

[Titus]

VOTE: Jackel98

Even though

He will

Probably be

A mislynch

whats ur other card
one's rig, the other's what?

*smacks you* why ask conftown that?

[Titus]

maria can we hug??

I don't hug scum!

Maria, hug Giga. He's town.

[Titus]

They're town. I was bad.

[Titus]

i dont feel as good about this as a maria lynch

I want my hug back

No refunds.

[Titus]

Transcend knows the answer to this but I want someone to guess:
People know I use ate a lot :3 I said 1 of these as town and 1 as scum please guess what is what

Line 1: IF YOU LYNCH ME I WILL STEP ON YOUR FUCKING THORAT SO MANY TIMES THAT YOU WILL CHOKE ON YOUR OWN BLOOD DON'T YOU DARE LYNCH ME OVER THIS WANNABE

Line 2: AFTER ALL I'VE DONE YOU'RE SRSLY LYNCHING ME IN HELL I HAVE DONE WAY TO MUCH TO GET LYNCHED THIS LATE IN THE GAME YOU FKERS

Farts

[Titus]

IF YOU LYNCH ME I WILL STEP ON YOUR FUCKING THORAT SO MANY TIMES THAT YOU WILL CHOKE ON YOUR OWN BLOOD DON'T YOU DARE LYNCH ME OVER THIS WANNABE

aww so adorable

pedit: fishy scum were dumb enough to kill creature of all people night one so im not really sure if theyre actually eliminating people for reads. looks like theyre just taking out people who are townread
rb thought titus and dreal are scum and im sure those 2 are town. he backed off maria too and im sure marias scum

Scum hunting the governors in a theory as well, but Vedith claimed governor...so...

[Titus]

NKA is a decently tool, just too early to know why. If a kill is inexplicable, look at where they disagree. I think Creature was killed for obvtown.

[Titus]

NKA is a decently tool, just too early to know why. If a kill is inexplicable, look at where they disagree. I think Creature was killed for obvtown.

NKA is shit

You never have been a fan of hard data, which is the only thing that beats luck.

[Titus]

do you hear that

it's the sound of me shooting myself in the head

excellent

also i asked that to make him rig the cards to something that is not fking clubs for a change

He should day rig diamonds IMO if he can.

Having two lynches ought to move the game along

[Titus]

Is anyone keeping a list of all the claims (both lacks of cards, and cards)? If so, could they post it? Titus, I'm thinking you might

Tonight/tomorrow morning I will.

[Titus]

OK. So, here's some card thinking. Criticism welcome:

1. Scum shot rb. rb was one of five players above Titus. Two of them were bulletproof today.
2. A 40% risk of shooting a blank seems kind of unlikely. So very likely, either one or both Jacks of Clubs are scum, or the scum have a 6 of clubs.
3. We have loads of claims out there. Scum royalty and stealth vigs are going to be able to kill. So there's not much harm in a small number of further claims. We shouldn't be scared to claim things that are useful.
4. So the remaining six of clubs should claim (on pain of being lynched later). It's a card that tells us a reasonable amount about scumminess/interactions, and there's little harm in it.

Clubs were not active. Point 2 is invalid (I was corrected on that).

[Titus]

Not unvoting. Not scared of scum.

[Titus]

He proposed to use it as a second lynch I think but realistically, he just wants to fish me.

[Titus]

5 of diamonds is rly good though no? >.>

For scum or town. It's an extra vote when diamonds are trump.

[Titus]

Nah. But the case on her that whoever made was pretty good. I don't think Maxous is too scummy any more.

Titus, how would I be fishing you? I don't know your cards, and I just gave up my cards? That's like some next-level, reverse psychology fishing right there.

You're threatening to keep kill me if we lynch you. Town don't want me dead. Seems pretty simple move to vengekill me and hope I claim based off your threat.

I can tell that it's a scum threat because it's omgus at the vocal person, while not taking responsibility or giving a reason.

[Titus]

Titus: thoughts on outing the six of clubs?

It ain't me but the only slots to pick it would be scum or high town.

[Titus]

Hey Dunn, you going to join us?

[Titus]

They deter a lynch on him, while he does no scumhunting.

Both Jacks of Clubs are above me. He is likely honest about having a Jack of Clubs. Same as Vedith.

[Titus]

God, more fear mongering.

Note to self: Dunn is avoiding this thread.

@Transcend, can you rig the deck so Jackal is not vengeful?

[Titus]

man i really don't know

UNVOTE:

game's hard

pedit: only if it's spades again. i can't really do anything if its any other suit.

I am find with spades but not the king.

[Titus]

honestly tho i can only rig it to spades. i don't have any hearts or diamonds.

Scum have already shot today. Right now, all Jackal is doing is sitting on his ass and threatening to vig town. We have no doctor here, and I am a dead woman if I claim.

Petit: Well shit.

[Titus]

Yeah, well this is a rock in a hard place. Either I back off a consensus scumread or fuck the long term town over...that's shitty spot. Trans, your thoughts.

[Titus]

Heres another question: Would a scum jackal really claim here and risk getting lynched tomorrow without being able to use vengefull? Or just accept hes caught and take out the most dangerous town for his teammembers?

That is the first decent point you made in awhile, although partially recycled from Maria.

UNVOTE: Jackal

VOTE: Dunnstral

He's been everywhere but here. I want to know why.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I'm sure there's a better lynch then jack even if he is scummy it's not like he's going anywhere I'd say it's fine to wait until he's non venge.

Who?

[Titus]

Dreal is a good oneeee um
I don't get the tr's on max much (not saying I sr him just wanna know why he's tr #shade)

OH THIS ONE

VOTE: Gerry

I tr Gerry, what about Dunn?

[Titus]

Id lynch jack cause dag let shots fly 1 for 1 is a great trade and town as long as he doesnt go drunk and takes a helpful shot is better because this game needs an enema

It does, but the shot he'd take would wreck town.

[Titus]

If were gonna speedbandwagon new stuff, how about Davesaz?

VOTE: Davesaz

Why?

[Titus]

If were gonna speedbandwagon new stuff, how about Davesaz?

VOTE: Davesaz

Why?

Because for someone that is so aware of all the ins and outs of the setup he is way too quiet

This is the first halfway acceptable vote you've had in awhile. Tempted to follow, but you've been wrong so much. It's no where near my ideal list though.

[Titus]

I will sleep on this. I gotta go to handle life now.

[Titus]

Dunn is posting in every game but this one.

If we lynch Jackal today, he kills someone.

Vecna, do you tr Dunn?

[Titus]

Guys get back on jackal and let's direct that shot.
I say we make him shoot Maria. Thoughts?

I cannot endorse this plan. If we wind up lynching Jackal today, we should do your plan. It only has upside if we're wrong though. If Jackal is scum, he will not venge the target. If he's town, he will.

If I get overruled, he should shoot Kison or Dunn.

[Titus]

Dunn is posting in every game but this one.

If we lynch Jackal today, he kills someone.

Vecna, do you tr Dunn?

I do believe I put him in my "bad lynch today" pile earlier.

I dont TR him, but the way he is in blatant "Look at me not giving a shit mode" makes me suspect he aint scum.

This seems all sorts of incoherent.

[Titus]

Guys get back on jackal and let's direct that shot.
I say we make him shoot Maria. Thoughts?

I cannot endorse this plan. If we wind up lynching Jackal today, we should do your plan. It only has upside if we're wrong though. If Jackal is scum, he will not venge the target. If he's town, he will.

If I get overruled, he should shoot Kison or Dunn.

I don't see why we should direct the shot by vote. The shot, if Jackel is town, is as pure as the driven snow. Why sully it with a vote involving scum as well as town?

Jackal's judgment is seriously defective if town.

[Titus]

That seems why you are voting Dave though.

[Titus]

Luv is still scum. Chainsawing Dunn is also being helped.

[Titus]

Yeah, no.

*kicks mic to hands*

*tosses it to Kison*

Scummy McScumFuck, Talk.

[Titus]

Can I sing karaoke instead?

Only if that karaoke gives reads on the playerlist.

[Titus]

VOTE: Kison

I can roll with that.

[Titus]

Not sure what you mean by "playing this way"?

Rephrase: Why would scum!Maria be melting down in this particular way, when it gains zero townreads?

[Titus]

Not sure what you mean by "playing this way"?

Rephrase: Why would scum!Maria be melting down in this particular way, when it gains zero townreads?

oh idk maybe cause
I was UPSET

I agree, but it's not a scum meltdown. Doesn't make sens.

[Titus]

To explain again why I want Jackel lynched today:

1) I think Jackel is the most likely scum.
2) And yet, I think Jackel is less than 50% likely to be scum. Anyone who thinks we are more than twice as good as random needs to take a long hard look at their rate of lynching scum over their last several games, and then stop kidding themselves.
3) The "normal" kills in the game (lynch and NK) are made 50% by the town, and 50% by the scum. So if a player is less than 50% likely to be scum, giving them a vengekill is a good idea.

To put it another way; let's say we're lynching Jackel today or tomorrow, because he's scummy. Choosing today is like handing him a vig shot. Do I want to hand a random player a vig shot? Hell yeah - that's probably a protown kill, and protown kills are great. Do I want to hand my top scumread a vig shot? Less so, but still yes. Putting my ego aside, I know that most people's top scumreads are town most of the time - so it's still probably a better kill than the game's average kill.

Not handing a kill to my scumread when he'd kill town. Sorry.

[Titus]

Are you asking me why scum would AtE and defend themselves, Titus?
I don't think it was particularly scummy but I wasn't convinced by the reaction.
Jackel's reaction was a lot more town, IMO

Nah, Jackal's reaction was wors.

[Titus]

To explain again why I want Jackel lynched today:

1) I think Jackel is the most likely scum.
2) And yet, I think Jackel is less than 50% likely to be scum. Anyone who thinks we are more than twice as good as random needs to take a long hard look at their rate of lynching scum over their last several games, and then stop kidding themselves.
3) The "normal" kills in the game (lynch and NK) are made 50% by the town, and 50% by the scum. So if a player is less than 50% likely to be scum, giving them a vengekill is a good idea.

To put it another way; let's say we're lynching Jackel today or tomorrow, because he's scummy. Choosing today is like handing him a vig shot. Do I want to hand a random player a vig shot? Hell yeah - that's probably a protown kill, and protown kills are great. Do I want to hand my top scumread a vig shot? Less so, but still yes. Putting my ego aside, I know that most people's top scumreads are town most of the time - so it's still probably a better kill than the game's average kill.

Not handing a kill to my scumread when he'd kill town. Sorry.

I agree that the logic doesn't apply if you know he's going to kill town.

Why do you think Kison is scum?

Sheeps every major wagon, little analysis, vote history doesn't match his ISO.

Jackal said he'd shoot me and I am kinda useful.

[Titus]

Why does he? All I see is oooh popular wagon

*throws a post mentioning them*

Wait

*vote*

[Titus]

Maria seems like obvious scum to me. That's probably why she's avoiding me too, because she's scared



Drealmerz has a good candidate for being a partner if she is for what I quoted earlier where he votes jackel

Titus has a decent chance at being scum

None of those reasonless names you provided are scum. Amazing how you beetle juice and omgus.

[Titus]

If you want Jackal dead, vote him.

[Titus]

Nice buzzwords

Patting yourself on the back isn't cool.

You appear right after I say you're ignoring this game and push people voting for you, or beetlejuice or omgus.

The buzzword complaint is all lingo that says nothing, like your posts.

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VOTE: jackel

bad

Yes we know you are.

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We're waiting for your reads Kison. Apparently that's a "tough" question you want to deflect past. I'm focusing on you, now.

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Yeah, I hate go fish.

I prefer "I have ways of making you talk".

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Yall can't tell me you don't have a 2nd sr besides jack should try and vote that and not the day vengeful is active I don't see a downside to this while there's a ton of risk to lynching him today

This

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killing maria is the most protown thing to do rn since she has been the second most controversial wagon today, she needs to go

No. she hasn't been a controversial wagon. Kison has been controversial since day 1. MariaR is just people blowharding.

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Hear that Titus, Jackel has a special place in his heart for you........

Oh I can hammer? Gee thats interesting

if you want to risk your life...

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I would rather kison do it

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I did think Jackal was scum, but the lack of cw is frightening. Him threatening to shoot me means voting him would be anti-town for me. I don't provide any use dead.

The kison wagon isn't going anywhere because you didn't push for it. You've been ADD in wagons.

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On the wagon, I would shoot McMenno.

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Kison is not on the wagon.

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But I also still have a soft spot in my heart for you Titus

You're going to have to use your nightkill.

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Shit...the mod used a variation...

Well fuck, might as well claim partially.

I am one of the Kings of Diamonds, enabling dual lynch.

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going after kison, who's producing content, doesnt make much sense when there are other scummy people lurking the shit out of this
like priority should be taking out scummy lurkers

Kison is a scummy lurker.

Your favoritw, MariaR is not a scummy or lurker.

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titus when maria asked the mod about that card, mod said you wont become a lover until that card is activated

Right, but if I get vigged by town, we lose the dual lynch if the other K dies.

If Jackal is scum, he won't want to murder me to get two kills.

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They'd need to find the other first.

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They'd need to find the other first.

LOL did you just claim scum????

The other King of Diamonds.

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Why would they need to find the other 1 if they can just nightkill you and get 2 kills for the price of one?

That was a major scumslip

King hasn't come up yet.

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*marks Vecna as VI*

Vecna is scum.

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Spin much?

Scum shooting blindly in the dark in moronic. They've controlled the game due to town's inability to come together regardless of Jackal's alignment. You thought lynching Jacksl was stupid when he claimed vengeful and my reasoning on that has been clear. Jackal will not shoot scum. Scum shooting blindly risks taking out their stranglehold over the lynch right now.

King of Diamonds also is not NAI and you know it. Only town take King of Diamonds. What scum want dual lynches?

I did start and push Jackal, but you've acted like you know he's town the entire time.

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^^ Garbage posting. Flail more. There's no way to be confident in the game state whenever Diamonds come up.

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Spin much?

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I did start and push Jackal, but you've acted like you know he's town the entire time.

Whose spinning now? Everyone knows that this is not true, but youve been trying to discredit my every move in getting people to explain their vote on Jackel.....right untill it became obvious that he was likely going to KILL YOU. Then my 1 post was suddenly super convenient and full of correct logic. Because then you needed a way to save yourself.

Topic shift. I see you cannot respond to scum taking the king of diamonds.

You voted Kison, who was a scumread of mine well before Jackal.

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Wow. You've shifted to outright lies now. I have been pushing for Kison's reads all day.

I quoted their interactions and explained why the link too.

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It's been fun, but I am going to watch paint dry rather than letting you spam bullshit.

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Well apparently you DO recycle bullshit after I leave you an out.

Rather than see I was telling the truth about explaining how Kison and Luv are linked and demanding Kison's reads, you shirt back to already disproven points.

You're arguing now that scum would basically endanger themselves whenever diamonds came up just to try and argue I am scum. You're just throwing garbage out there hoping Jackal shoots me rather than you or Kison.

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Vote analysis is my thing btw.

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I have the truth. Stop spamming tyvm.

I wish I had a vig shot.

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If Vecna keeps this up, I am ignoring his posts and policy lynching him.

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VOTE: Vecna

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If Vecna keeps this up, I am ignoring his posts and policy lynching him.

And now the AtE starts

How is this ate o-o

It isn't. Vecna just needs to eat rope.

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Saying if someone doesnt stop his arguments against you saying you'll ignore him isnt applying to emotion?

AtE is appeal to emotion.

Scumread me all you want, but spamming pages full of lies that can be verified makes the game unreadable for anyone else.

That's not appealing to any emotion.

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You could repeal exactly one of my arguments lol. And just barely.

State one other thing thats a lie except me being wrong about you asking Kison about his reads again after your vote.

You accused me of not casing Kison and LUV as partners. I did that in 2367 .

I explained why I claimed and what I claimed when I saw the venge could hit me. You were told my analysis was correct by Maria and Kraska.

You are again trying to make up shit and now backing off solely to avoid lynch rather than reading or listening.

Someone who refuses to listen or analyze is a policy lynch. You're being worse than Drealmerz.

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Spoiler:

Funny, I say I would move to a larger wagon, and the lil wagon disperses. Noted.

If we are lynching based off bad wagon, it would be Vedith not Uzi wagoned though.

RB, is there any reason to townread Maxous and assume townbeard?

It's midnight and I make my daily rounds. Sue me.

Funny, I say I would move to a larger wagon, and the lil wagon disperses. Noted.

What do you read into that? While I don't know the motivations of anyone else on the wagon, I think these are likely entirely unrelated.

I dunno yet, but I document and observe patterns. The Uzi/Kison link is still rather huge in my mind. More data (read: flips) will make that more useful.

Also if Vecna is scum I bet Titus is also

Comments like this make me want to strangle you Bart.

I -might- be coming around on my read on Titus. I really liked post 1/2/4 that I quoted here and think it sounds rather towny. Post 3 sounds somewhat more scummy to me again, but maybe its just because it sounds so vague and I dont really see it / or what she means.

I dont like most of her reads per se (duh she scumreads me), and I really dont see Vedith being scum here. Titus, can you go into a bit more details why you see connections between Kison/LUV? I might be willing to test this one theory since so many people have been scumreading LUV.

I meant you never responded to this post (which came after your post where you quoted all their posts). You mightve noticed that pretty much noone understood your case against them.

Ok, reading backwards and starting Kison/Luv documentation. As a bonus, it disproves effort. I will also have VCs so you can follow along.

And then post 2637 .

Do not lie.

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Guess you don't care about appearing as town to me this game

That would be because MariaR is town.

Shoot Kison or Vecna.

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That would be because MariaR is town.

Nope

That's not how this phenomena works out

It's exactly how it works.

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Context fail. No one said anything about a VCA.

Vecna said I never cased Kison/Luv after 2500 or so or acknowledged his post.

It's day 2 without a scumflip. VCA is not happening yet.

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sorry titus but ur unnecessary claim is all sorts of stupid and i have trouble taking u seriously after that

Not much of an improvement, given I have been telling you Maria is town all game. At least you're being honest about it now.

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You either understood or didn't. My case was Kison was bussing LUV. You liked it. The thread had moved on due to rb's flip.

Send me fruit. I dare you.

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@MOD:

Am I supposed to wait for my flip to submit my kill, or can I now?

You should announce one fake target and one real one for reactions.

Like I am shooting X or Y.

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VOTE: Kison

Some people suggesting to shoot Maria were likely scum. In haste, town likely did not notice that the venue would be wasted.

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well i had a good run guys

i took a two of hearts, i wanted my time in this game to be short bc i wasn't expecting to enjoy it but i ended up having a lot of fun

only important information i can think of that I have to say before i die is that we have 14 diamonds in the deck. i'll type up a readlist tomorrow (though i should double check if i suicide after morning or after the lynch)

When was this timed?

We can then deduce how many diamonds are outstanding.

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Because that card has bulletproof

Guess she's the 3 of spades instead

3 wasn't active during the day though unless bad memory...

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Transcend is white mage and clear

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Davesaz, Kison

I need scum lynches...

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Why do you seem certain it was a deck rig?

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I am dumb. I need to stop 1 am catchups in complicated setups.

I'd still bet my bottom dollar that Davesaz/kison has scum in it, if not two.

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Well Maria's town and that vig shot was dumb.

We could track the diamonds and limit fakeclaims but that's a HUGE risk, as it narrows down the double lynch voters and puts a huge target on my back. Yet, scum likely lack a king.

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Titus before you go
Is there any reason to townread maria? I really don't understand how you can townread her play here

Her play is obvtown, read her sig. That answers that. There's no feeling of fakeness ir knowing too much. She also gets pushed as a distraction when I get a good wagon going.

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hey since mcmenno outed me btw

should we lynch in the clubs hood to find whoever has the 10 of clubs? can't see why town picks it and it's a 5 member hood, meaning one (or two, but I doubt it) person has it.

also not sure how much of the hood i should discuss openly

Punt until morning. Not answering this at 1 am.

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@Giga, You've just highlighted my point. Maria wouldn't be scumread because she'd appear genuine as scum

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Also why would scum choose roleblocker with a neighbour affix when they can choose roleblocker+strongman

Wifom. Scum team composition, balance, needing hood access.

What roles scum take are influenced by the takers. There is no universal path. I'd go more in detail but that's just theory spec.

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Because he picked the 2 of diamonds to disable scumkills.
If the scumteam had a strategy to rig the deck to get #2, then why would one of the scum pick the kill disabler?
You could do it for WIFOM purposes but Eh, would you bother?
It costs you a kill

Wouldn't that open town Vedith, town rigger then?

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Mod: Does a strongman pierce kill disabler?

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Let's see here, when MariaR flips town and/or I die, we lynch in my scum pool. The MariaR shot was stupid.

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How do you explain her surviving it Titus? (if it indeed was Maria that was targeted, but that seems pretty likely).

Do you really think scum would save town Maria? Why? Just in the hopes of us wasting a lynch on it?

Yes. Or town who townreads her or town Maria has a bulletproof card or...

This rush to lynch Maria has scum written all over it

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MariaR tried to fake not knowing rb was a scum kill. That kind of a post is a nervous scum reaction that I've seen before from multiple players. I've even slipped and done it myself in the past. Secondly that kind of (apparently clueless) question can elicit the vig(s) to disclaim the kill thus revealing themselves. I don't buy her reaction to being called on this tell. Jackel was a counter to her wagon. For today's vote she picked the only person other than her with a vote, and she didn't give a reason.

Titus, if you really think she's town maybe you should remind us why you think that. Also last I heard your scumpool included me, and we've played enough times together that you should easily know that I'm town.

Nah, you oughta know by now, I think meta and BoP are shit.

Jackal was a counter to Kison as well.

I have said why Maria is town. She's been a counter to scum and scummy players. She is too scumread to actually be scum.

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Yeah, it's still a terrible lynch and scum healing scum is the least likely option

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A) Giga because knowing their alignment at the start of day 1 would've been useful to me cause there one of the harder friends of mine to read
B) Veto'd 6 10 and J
C) Acting like "I have no idea what I'm doing!" More filler than usual holding back a few statements nothing major

You didn't veto K. Why?

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Maria being scum and protected is by far the most likely explanation for the no-kill.

- A shot on Vedith, giga or no shot - the non-mage options for the no-kill - are unlikely from Jackel's ISO.
- So, the shot was very likely predicted and blocked by the white mage.
- Looking at Jackel again, he'd disavowed a Titus lynch, and cooled off on a kraska one. Reading his posting, I'd say he was very likely to shoot Maria or McMenno.
- Neither of those targets is a protect for a townMage. So, it was a scum protection.
- Of those, McMenno only gained any attention near the end of the day. Protecting him is possible, but would have had to be pretty sharp. Way more likely is a Maria protection.

Adding a scummy claim to that (Godfather, Ninja), I've no need to reread Maria. This is a good lynch.

If i was a doctor, I would protect Maria.

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I think you were protected because Jackel was likely to shoot you, and scum were likely to protect you. Jackel shooting anyone else who was protected is way less likely.

Taking Godfather and Ninja is scummy.

@Titus: what is more likely than scum healing scum? It seems the only way to me that the no kill wasn't a huge coincidence.

Town healing town.
Jackal roleblocked.
We can eliminate bulletproof.
Creature took scummy cards as well.

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And do you know who Transcend healed?

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I went through your iso Titus, but I cannot really find reasons why youre protecting Maria so much.

You literally spent so much time defending her.....WHY?

Because she's the town counterwagon to the scum wagons I am trying to push but you spam them out.

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I think you were protected because Jackel was likely to shoot you, and scum were likely to protect you. Jackel shooting anyone else who was protected is way less likely.

Taking Godfather and Ninja is scummy.

@Titus: what is more likely than scum healing scum? It seems the only way to me that the no kill wasn't a huge coincidence.

Town healing town.
Jackal roleblocked.
We can eliminate bulletproof.
Creature took scummy cards as well.

Yeesh. You'd really protect Maria? Well, very few others would consider it. Even if Maria is town, it's very likely she's getting lynched before endgame. Eliminating her for free would surely be to the good. She certainly won't be shot by scum.

No roleblockers active yesterday.

Yeah, creature took scummy cards. Cards like Godfather are still more likely as scumpicks.

Transcend didn't have white mage at healing time.

Yeah, it really depends on personality.

As far as I am concerned, time to eliminate scum like Kison and those who help and spam and are unsortable like Vecna.

We are only guessing he shot Maria.

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Sure. But it's a good guess, because his shot was very likely guessed by scum. Unless McMenno or Maria was the shot, it was a 1-in-20 protect (from town or scum). Scum choosing to protect their own likely target seems much more likely than that.

No. In your confirmation biased opinion it is.

There are lots of options. Just picking one that fits with your worldview and saying that is most likely is not analysis at all, especially how hard it is to get a wagon going on scum.

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Fish, what is your read on Kison?

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EVERYONE JUST KEEPS SAYING FAKE HOW AM I BEING FAKE UGH

A) Giga because knowing their alignment at the start of day 1 would've been useful to me cause there one of the harder friends of mine to read
B) Veto'd 6 10 and J
C)

Acting like "I have no idea what I'm doing!"

More filler than usual holding back a few statements nothing major

when everyone checks in i'll hammer

Consider me not checked in until a decent conversation or until after Christmas.

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Nobody is really that clueless about setup. You say you didn't know it was a scum shot but it is impossible to believe that.

I thought poisoner too.

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I felt like this is one of my best games and I've been sr yr4y4rs5ys5ye

Your best game is constantly defending yourself with "I dont know why you SR me, im doing stuff, honestly!". What have you done exactly this game that makes this one of your best games? Youve been scumread right out of the gates.

You mean you have been trying to mislynch her and whipped the town into a frenzy when there's zilch to support Maria scum that is not an assumption

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I think it's extremely unlikely that Titus and MariaR are both scum. I don't think that Titus would go so far out there trying to protect a buddy.
Funny, I don't remember seeing anyone say it's wk though, which on retrospect may be a little odd.

Titus, you said you didn't like the scummy people voting / pushing MariaR. Have you said which ones you think are scummy besides Kison?

Kison Lil Vecna You

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Hi TWIE.

For once, I don't mind not voting here.

Today's lynch "logic" is dumb.

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Giga, Sheep me until i am wrong?

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btw is anyone familiar with how magna approaches scumplay?

his replace-out still reads town to me but that read is getting stale and milkshake is literally a joke (not sure if this lacks offense, sorry dude). is replacing out from frustration something he'd do as scum, or is he more the type to take advantage of what he sees as an anti-town environment?

Scum would not be demotivated here.

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Giga, Sheep me until i am wrong?

the 2 mislynches we have so far are lynches u super advocated

Nah, they were both reasonably confident compromises.

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I am pretty much done with popular opinion though and people can follow me to lynch scum or ignore me and lynch town.

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ok something doesn't add up here

i went back and took a look at my reads and i have way too many townreads, i had to even throw away some to make a scumteam that works in numbers (but not dynamics). gonna try to start from scratch here :/

@Uzi, who do you think is scum with Maria?

Leaning towards Kison, Milkshake, Titus, and McMemmo/Spy

I still think there is a small chance of Transcend since I pointed out that rb might have cleared Gerry as opposed to him.

Then help me bus Kison.

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I wish vodka was a draft option

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Baaaaaaaaah. I liked my king of diamonds. I got to pick my husband.

Bye.