(Mini 1858) Aeronaut's Drunken Christmas Party (Game Over!)

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Hi!

I'll read tomorrow. Or not, depends on how the day goes. In the meantime,

VOTE: Shaddowez

Wagons are fun.

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All right, I've done some reading!

VOTE: SickandPissed

All the cool kids drop votes with no explanation these days, maybe if I do it I'll be cool too.

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Are you sure you are replacing? Mod hasn't announced it

Ümläüt replaces 1 Shot Vanilla Town!

Pretty sure.

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Lazy posting to try and get my head into the game.

First impressions from a quick skim-through of not actually everyhing:

I really hate hydras.

WOLWB is town. Probably Zach too. Less convinced about drealmerz7, his whimsy seems more forced somehow.

The Thinker isn't exactly blowing my mind with their analysis but nothing really says scum to me,

except

maybe this:

BTW my partner hasn't posted in game yet but

they've posted in the PT

.

Scum slip?

Hydra doesn't know how hydras work? Okay.

No opinion at all on McMenno, he's like a non-entity to me right now.

Jackel98 is either low-effort town or low-effort scum, probably need to look more carefully at this.

Could lynch Algebra as a compromise, but I don't really get the wagon.

The whole no-lynch thing with my predecessor is a non-issue. I've literally never seen an RVS vote for no-lynch successfully used as a tell, and I have trouble believing anyone with more than a game or two of experience can seriously take it as one. Looking primarily at SAP, secondarily at Pine (who seems to have been more making a point than seriously thinking 1SVT was scum).

I'm voting SAP because they seem so focused on players

misbehaving,

so to speak (self-voting or voting NL), even if said misbehaviors don't actually correlate much with flipping scum. It's as if they're looking for justifiable scumreads rather than actually trying to sort.

Haven't really paid attention to anyone else. Someone explain the cases on Algebra and Shaddowez to me.

I'm intrigued by Grey's case on dreal, but need to think about it more.

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Haven't really paid attention to anyone else. Someone explain the cases on Algebra and Shaddowez to me.

I destroyed the Algebra wagon. shaddowez is just bad town that is being exploited.

That's nice and all but not really an explanation.

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VOTE: drealmerz7

Only a few days til deadline and I like this wagon better than shaddowez right now.

Can someone

who is/was on the Algebra wagon

summarize that the case for me?

Can someone

who is/was on the shaddowez wagon

summarize that case for me?

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God damn it, I am NOT okay with a No Lynch. I have said so repeatedly and emphatically. I was and am concerned that the Algebra/Shaddowez dichotomy was scum-driven, and I feel a LOT better about your lynch.

yes you've done a good job of reframing backtracking and nullifying that slip of acceptance of NL you first showed an inclination towards

This reads like dreal isn't interested in actually listening to what Pine is saying, only in making him look bad.

Taking an RVS vote for no-lynch as a serious advocacy for no-lynch, even after this is disavowed, is completely ridiculous.

Really liking the dreal wagon. Still don't get the Shaddowez wagon.

Some semi-associative info here: if dreal is scum then Pine is town. (If dreal is town this doesn't say much about Pine either way.)

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SAP, why do you want to hammer Shaddowez?

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Wait, I didn't notice dreal claimed. I'm awesome at Mafia.

Neighborizer does not exactly preclude being scum though...

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I'm feeling like Grey was swayed by Dreal too easily.

-n

↑ What they said.

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Zach, hypothetically if you knew that Grey definitely was faking that push, how would that inform your opinion of Dreal?

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Let me rephrase: which scenario do you find more likely out of (scum!Grey, town!dreal) or (scum!Grey, scum!dreal)?

I feel the latter is more likely. If Grey is scum then the most plausible explanation for his behavior is a hard-distancing attempt that got out of hand when he made his case too well, and left him looking for an excuse to change wagons.

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Maybe pisskop should hydraslip less.

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Maybe you and your 13 posts should get roped

I joined the game on Sunday, 3 days ago. The game started 14 days ago.

13 posts / 3 days = 4.3 posts/day = 60.6 posts / 14 days.

Learn to math.

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Town:

WOLWB, Zach, Pine

Nullish:

Jackel, Shaddow, algebra (meh); Cloud, Grey (ambivalent)

Scummy:

dreal, SAP, TheThinker

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Hi!
VOTE: Shaddowez

Wagons are fun.

wow, that didnt take long
why did you pick shaddow here over the other one? each was L-3

I looked at Algebra's ISO and decided there was no reason to wagon him. Then I looked at Shaddow's ISO but I got bored before I could decide whether there was a reason to wagon him, so I voted him over Algebra because "maybe there's a reason" > "definitely no reason"

Let me rephrase: which scenario do you find more likely out of (scum!Grey, town!dreal) or (scum!Grey, scum!dreal)?
I feel the latter is more likely. If Grey is scum then the most plausible explanation for his behavior is a hard-distancing attempt that got out of hand when he made his case too well, and left him looking for an excuse to change wagons.

Why can't they both be town again?

Hypothetical

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Who did grey replace again

I just checked, it was ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, who had all of three posts, one of which was a V/LA announcement.

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Explain what's scummy about SDAVT's posting, it looks like classic day 1 flaking to me.

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I am awed by your powers of perception.

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I haven't flipped on anything, you're just scum trying to save your buddy and I was wrong in thinking he was bad town.

Okay, I'm sold.

VOTE: Grey

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Regardless of Grey's flip, Cloud is town.

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Grey, what's your actual role name? You have sixty seconds to reply.

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I've claimed all I intend to.

That's a pretty weird role name, I don't buy it.

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I'm really confident Grey isn't a cop though.

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Cloud, if you think Grey is scum you shouldn't be voting for Shaddow of all people, Grey obviously wants Shaddow lynched.

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Oh hey btw, I'm the cop. Grey is full of shit.

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Hoped the wagon would go through because his claim was so obviously bad, but nope, shaddow is still at L-1, so I have to out myself. Sigh.

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Oh hey btw, I'm the cop. Grey is full of shit.

You're a dumb fuck.

I was fishing for the night kill.

Let's be clear. This is Grey saying he believes my claim, and his is a lie.

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I rarely support policy lynches but fakeclaims like this are among the case where I do. Grey was looking scummy to me even without the fakeclaim, I refuse to let the fakeclaim become a reason

not

to lynch him.

Let's hang Grey.

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Grey, stfu. If you are town, you are terrible at Mafia. This is exactly why you don't fucking fakeclaim as town.

I will never feel guilty about calling out liars.

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Also i was quoting 2 posts that seems like grey is actually softing another pr role that probably can conf himself

Just shuuuush already.

Wow, you'll just play into any reason not to be lynched regardless of how far-fetched it is.

I wonder how you'll all feel getting endgamed by a guy who was caught in a bogus claim on Day 1.

PEDIT: JFC slow down so I can post.

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Btw, Grey still hints at a PR yet he was trying to draw the nightkill? Okay.

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Yeah, what kind of moron cc's a fakeclaiming scumread, you got me there.

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On the run but just popping in to say I never got an investigation result.

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So, I guess I'm glad we didn't lynch Grey, even though we should have.

Definitely town:

Me and Titus

Almost definitely town:

algebra, Zach

Probably town:

WOLWB, CloudKicker

Anyone disagree on these?

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I'm more interested in people who aren't in my list at all think, to tell you the truth, and more interested in people who think someone on there shouldn't be townread at all.

VOTE: Pine

I like Zach's case here.

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I'm more interested in

what

people who aren't in my list at all think

EBWOP

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Umlaut who did you target?

Thanks for asking.

I targeted Pine, and he's guilty.

(I got my result after saying I didn't get one, I was telling the truth about that )

I was going to see how the Pine wagon played out to pull associatives from it, but honestly I'm too impatient.

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Speaking of which, can we get flavor name and whatnot @Umlaut?

Hi, I'm Stephen King, Genius Horror Writer. Using my eye for horror, I can "observe" one player a night to determine their guilt or innocence.

It occurs to me just now that I don't play a lot of theme games and don't know the current attitude toward cop sanities, but there's nothing in the description of my ability to suggest I'm other than sane. It clearly says guilty means not town-aligned.

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Aha, I must be scum then!

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New goal: win with no town casualties.

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I don't mind hearing suggestions about who to cop next, and I may even take them into account, but I'm not going to declare my target.

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Id feel like shit if i was scum in this position and probably lost any interest in playing this game lmao, poor pine's partner

So... can we all look for a player who's suddenly lost interest in the game?

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In the event that I wake up dead tomorrow, I'd like the next two lynches to be Jackel and Creeps. Both of these players

• have very low rates of contribution overall;
  
• have not stated any townreads;
  
• have reachy and poorly-justified scumreads; and
  
• like to chime in on safe topics like policy lynches and no-lynching that are unlikely to touch the topic of who is scum.

Of these two, Jackel looks the worse since both Shaddow and Pine have voted for Creeps; but both of them are pretty expendable, so they're solid lynches even if they flip green. We have at least three mislynches to burn, and these aren't exactly the kind of players the Mafia is going to eliminate for us.

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So, can we hang Pine yet?

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Just went through the votes to verify Pine's was the hammer.

I suppose there's no reason to still argue the point... but it's awfully funny that Pine only just said "maybe there's a redirector" if his role PM suggested a redirector. This was after "he's scum" and "he's either scum or insane".

For what it's worth my result was "Pine is guilty," not "Your target is guilty." Not sure how redirected investigative result PMs are usually worded.

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@Mod

recount the votes on the Pine wagon, please, you have seven names there but identified this as L-1.

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I got a freaking guilty on Sick the night I was killed.

I didn't really know what else to do but lock the ghost vote on him at that point. We toyed around with ways of using the vote to signal the town, but never really came up with any solid ideas to that end.

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Dear Umlaut,

Read Open 661 and you will find a wonderful illustration of the magic that happens when you don't step on my dick.

Warmest Regards,

-Grey-

tl;dr.