Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

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VOTE: Kison

[Fishythefish]

Maria, you're having a meltdown that I'm finding hard to believe is coming from town right now.

Uzi here feels like scum riding the Maria train. Seems to me like he's seen a big wagon, tried to work out what it's about, and tagged along (probably following townie opinions); just doesn't feel like a genuine SR on Maria.

[Fishythefish]

Clicked Submit by mistake there. While the above is true, I'm still reading around it...

[Fishythefish]

Uzi (and others), why do you think MariaScum would be playing this way? It's been quite clear for a while it's not being read as town. I don't see why her "meltdown" as you call it looks unlikely, and I don't see a scum motivation to fake it.

[Maxous]

Not sure what you mean by "playing this way"?

[Titus]

Not sure what you mean by "playing this way"?

Rephrase: Why would scum!Maria be melting down in this particular way, when it gains zero townreads?

[MariaR]

Not sure what you mean by "playing this way"?

Rephrase: Why would scum!Maria be melting down in this particular way, when it gains zero townreads?

oh idk maybe cause
I was UPSET

[Fishythefish]

Actually, the "(and others)" in my question there isn't really right. Uzi is the first person who's really gone after Maria for her AtE, AFAIC.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not sure that MariaScum wouldn't also get annoyed and have a meltdown. But I suspect it's less likely, and I really doubt she'd fake one.

[MariaR]

Actually, the "(and others)" in my question there isn't really right. Uzi is the first person who's really gone after Maria for her AtE, AFAIC.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not sure that MariaScum wouldn't also get annoyed and have a meltdown. But I suspect it's less likely, and I really doubt she'd fake one.

I do ate as scum a lot also a lot of ate is NAI for me.
I don't like to think of my meltdown as ate more so as just me being upset and ranting in the thread cause I had nowhere else to rant to

[Fishythefish]

To explain again why I want Jackel lynched today:

1) I think Jackel is the most likely scum.
2) And yet, I think Jackel is less than 50% likely to be scum. Anyone who thinks we are more than twice as good as random needs to take a long hard look at their rate of lynching scum over their last several games, and then stop kidding themselves.
3) The "normal" kills in the game (lynch and NK) are made 50% by the town, and 50% by the scum. So if a player is less than 50% likely to be scum, giving them a vengekill is a good idea.

To put it another way; let's say we're lynching Jackel today or tomorrow, because he's scummy. Choosing today is like handing him a vig shot. Do I want to hand a random player a vig shot? Hell yeah - that's probably a protown kill, and protown kills are great. Do I want to hand my top scumread a vig shot? Less so, but still yes. Putting my ego aside, I know that most people's top scumreads are town most of the time - so it's still probably a better kill than the game's average kill.

[Maxous]

Are you asking me why scum would AtE and defend themselves, Titus?
I don't think it was particularly scummy but I wasn't convinced by the reaction.
Jackel's reaction was a lot more town, IMO

[Titus]

Not sure what you mean by "playing this way"?

Rephrase: Why would scum!Maria be melting down in this particular way, when it gains zero townreads?

oh idk maybe cause
I was UPSET

I agree, but it's not a scum meltdown. Doesn't make sens.

[Titus]

To explain again why I want Jackel lynched today:

1) I think Jackel is the most likely scum.
2) And yet, I think Jackel is less than 50% likely to be scum. Anyone who thinks we are more than twice as good as random needs to take a long hard look at their rate of lynching scum over their last several games, and then stop kidding themselves.
3) The "normal" kills in the game (lynch and NK) are made 50% by the town, and 50% by the scum. So if a player is less than 50% likely to be scum, giving them a vengekill is a good idea.

To put it another way; let's say we're lynching Jackel today or tomorrow, because he's scummy. Choosing today is like handing him a vig shot. Do I want to hand a random player a vig shot? Hell yeah - that's probably a protown kill, and protown kills are great. Do I want to hand my top scumread a vig shot? Less so, but still yes. Putting my ego aside, I know that most people's top scumreads are town most of the time - so it's still probably a better kill than the game's average kill.

Not handing a kill to my scumread when he'd kill town. Sorry.

[Titus]

Are you asking me why scum would AtE and defend themselves, Titus?
I don't think it was particularly scummy but I wasn't convinced by the reaction.
Jackel's reaction was a lot more town, IMO

Nah, Jackal's reaction was wors.

[MariaR]

Are you asking me why scum would AtE and defend themselves, Titus?
I don't think it was particularly scummy but I wasn't convinced by the reaction.
Jackel's reaction was a lot more town, IMO

What type of reaction were you expecting? -_-

[Fishythefish]

To explain again why I want Jackel lynched today:

1) I think Jackel is the most likely scum.
2) And yet, I think Jackel is less than 50% likely to be scum. Anyone who thinks we are more than twice as good as random needs to take a long hard look at their rate of lynching scum over their last several games, and then stop kidding themselves.
3) The "normal" kills in the game (lynch and NK) are made 50% by the town, and 50% by the scum. So if a player is less than 50% likely to be scum, giving them a vengekill is a good idea.

To put it another way; let's say we're lynching Jackel today or tomorrow, because he's scummy. Choosing today is like handing him a vig shot. Do I want to hand a random player a vig shot? Hell yeah - that's probably a protown kill, and protown kills are great. Do I want to hand my top scumread a vig shot? Less so, but still yes. Putting my ego aside, I know that most people's top scumreads are town most of the time - so it's still probably a better kill than the game's average kill.

Not handing a kill to my scumread when he'd kill town. Sorry.

I agree that the logic doesn't apply if you know he's going to kill town.

Why do you think Kison is scum?

[Titus]

To explain again why I want Jackel lynched today:

1) I think Jackel is the most likely scum.
2) And yet, I think Jackel is less than 50% likely to be scum. Anyone who thinks we are more than twice as good as random needs to take a long hard look at their rate of lynching scum over their last several games, and then stop kidding themselves.
3) The "normal" kills in the game (lynch and NK) are made 50% by the town, and 50% by the scum. So if a player is less than 50% likely to be scum, giving them a vengekill is a good idea.

To put it another way; let's say we're lynching Jackel today or tomorrow, because he's scummy. Choosing today is like handing him a vig shot. Do I want to hand a random player a vig shot? Hell yeah - that's probably a protown kill, and protown kills are great. Do I want to hand my top scumread a vig shot? Less so, but still yes. Putting my ego aside, I know that most people's top scumreads are town most of the time - so it's still probably a better kill than the game's average kill.

Not handing a kill to my scumread when he'd kill town. Sorry.

I agree that the logic doesn't apply if you know he's going to kill town.

Why do you think Kison is scum?

Sheeps every major wagon, little analysis, vote history doesn't match his ISO.

Jackal said he'd shoot me and I am kinda useful.

[Fishythefish]

Maybe we should just kill McMenno. There's really no reason not to. Doesn't strike me as a player we'll ever be able to read.

[Fishythefish]

IDK. Kison feels quite scumhunty; the Drone wagon analysis particularly looks like a genuine attempt to analyse the most interesting thing that's happened.

[Titus]

Why does he? All I see is oooh popular wagon

*throws a post mentioning them*

Wait

*vote*

[Dunnstral]

MariaR is scum
And Titus is scummy

And let me tell you guys why






In the morning, thank you all for your patience

Thank you for that post. Now im definitely not going to be lynching you.

Not sure if sarcasm or serious

[Dunnstral]

At this point I feel pretty solid that mariaR is scum

*giant wall*

VOTE: jackel

k

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Kison

Titus isn't towny

[Dunnstral]

Dunn is posting in every game but this one.

If we lynch Jackal today, he kills someone.

Vecna, do you tr Dunn?

misrep

[Dunnstral]

Maria seems like obvious scum to me. That's probably why she's avoiding me too, because she's scared



Drealmerz has a good candidate for being a partner if she is for what I quoted earlier where he votes jackel

Titus has a decent chance at being scum