Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

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Official Vote Count 1.8

nn30 (4)

: culted, BK201, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390

Rory (2)

: Joshz, Io

Gamma Emerald (2)

: Transcend, nn30

Transcend (2)

: Gamma Emerald, SnarkySnowman

Joshz (1)

: Rory

Not Voting (2)

- Realeo, Aristophanes

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

[SnarkySnowman]

VOTE: nn

Alright I'm content with this for

L-2

nn, your scumreads make a ton out of nothing. I agree Gamma is scum; I think your reasoning and the examples you're pulling are pretty weak and don't necessarily line up with why I think Gamma is scum. BK is weak too but a liiittle better. On the flipside, Transcend and Realeo I looked at, your reasoning boils down to the fact that they aren't trying to lynch you - I see what you're saying but it also doesn't really read well to me. That's not to say there aren't genuine feeling reads in there - Josh, for instance, reads legit.

tl;dr the contrast gives me scumvibes pretty hard

[BK201]

Hey guys, I'm on the tail-end of a pretty bad fever. Will get caught up today.

[Realeo]

VOTE: nn

Alright I'm content with this for

L-2

nn, your scumreads make a ton out of nothing. I agree Gamma is scum; I think your reasoning and the examples you're pulling are pretty weak and don't necessarily line up with why I think Gamma is scum. BK is weak too but a liiittle better. On the flipside, Transcend and Realeo I looked at, your reasoning boils down to the fact that they aren't trying to lynch you - I see what you're saying but it also doesn't really read well to me. That's not to say there aren't genuine feeling reads in there - Josh, for instance, reads legit.

tl;dr the contrast gives me scumvibes pretty hard

Explain the Josh legit.

[culted]

I believe he's saying that some of nn's reads feel real while others don't.

Will catch up on the rest of this later tonight. Still like where my vote's at.

[nn30]

Prodge.

Busy night.

[SnarkySnowman]

I believe he's saying that some of nn's reads feel real while others don't.

Will catch up on the rest of this later tonight. Still like where my vote's at.

Correct

[BK201]

1. Skimmed it
2. K
3. Bs

See? Willful ignorance.

You're scum or town with conf bias goggles on.

Which is it?

I guess I'm scum because I'm not confbiasing you.

I've tried to see you as town, i really have.

It's just not happening.

*shrug*

I've done all I can to convince you.

Lynch me then.

AtE

Errrr you sound upset that i fos you

Yet you're voting me and your death wish is for me to get lynched

Why does me voting you upset you

Because I'm town.

And town getting mislynched goes against our win con.

Your push on me dismisses my defense as BS.

My final wish is that you get lynched because I think you're scum pushing on me.

The 'I've done all I can to convince you' line should have been explicitly directed at town rather than you.

AtE + implying that Transcend (the person you are voting) and yourself have the same wincon. I think this is a scumslip. In the next post NN unvotes Transcend because he probably realized how what he just posted is scummy given the situation.

BK, can you be more specific about Rory? What in his ISO looks bad? Also, I was waiting for gamma to answer you first because it was directed at him, but after the first scum flip, you can find scum hunting only one team. Before that, not so much.

His defense of NN felt off to me so I looked at his ISO. All he is doing is defending people, and defending himself. If you defend someone they are more likely to town-read you. He does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting.

Spoiler:

I don't get the Transcend Wagon

I'm not convinced Snarky is scum.

rory u can't be everyone's friend btw

I'm voting scum right now. If Gamma flips scum I'll gladly lynch Realeo.

No idea on 2nd team yet. Probably somewhere in the inactives.

FOS's inactives. This is an easy target,

especially

when he has not FOS basically anyone else besides Gamma.

If you're scum, I'm never townreading you again Transcend.

Scummy.

I don't really see nn30 scum here.

NN-Rory Team

I almost cried when I read this.

Fake reaction. Although if it's real, perhaps he's laughing because he is scum but not with NN. Laughing because a townie is so convinced of the wrong team or something along those lines.

On nn, it's more about the switch to Transcend for me than about his own lynch. He's perfectly cool with Transcend being town for meta reasons until Transcend votes him. Then suddenly Transcend is scummy? I don't buy it. It seems more like blatant OMGUS than genuine suspicion. The progression just isn't there and the only thing that changed is Transcend suspected nn.

This sums up my thoughts.

@Josh: 383

Thx

2. When Transcens presents readlist , you flipped. Why quality of read list > meta dive.

I didn't like that he color coded it. The last time I saw that was from scum trying too hard. I may have over reacted.

I've been meta diving since I joined the site and I've yet to do it correctly. I'll figure it out at some point, and I probably won't stop doing it because once I do figure it out I'll be unstoppable, but until then anything I get from meta is going to be weak.

Are

you

kidding

me??

That

is

so

ridiculous

I

cannot

believe

you

that

you

even

believe

yourself

scum.

[BK201]

I believe he's saying that some of nn's reads feel real while others don't.

Will catch up on the rest of this later tonight. Still like where my vote's at.

I'd appreciate it if you let people answer questions for themselves next time. Slight FOS.

[Realeo]

I will appreciate if people don't test the boundary of color blind, ty.

[Realeo]

rory u can't be everyone's friend btw

I'm voting scum right now. If Gamma flips scum I'll gladly lynch Realeo.

No idea on 2nd team yet. Probably somewhere in the inactives.

Now how I'm scum with Gamma?

[Realeo]

Bk201 for town conftbias.

[Realeo]

Not much time today. This week is the busiest week I'm going to have for a while.

Scum reading Culted. He's putting very little effort into solving the game.
Scum reading Not_Mafia / Bk201. They are far too happy to sheep onto wagons for my tastes.

You fos everyone who fos you, eh?

Explain Culted putting very little effort into solving the game.

[Realeo]

Bk201 for town conftbias.

Also

Tr4nscend 4 mafia taking the "stubborn town strategy".

[Not_Mafia]

Is nn dead yet?

[Realeo]

Bk201 for town conftbias.

Also

Tr4nscend 4 mafia taking the "stubborn town strategy".

I may as well bundle this with this vote.

VOTE: Tr4nsc3nd

[Transcend]

The fuck

[Realeo]

The fuck

See! Once I vote you, you talk <3

[Realeo]

You say you saw me as a lynch bait and you say that's a gut read.

But during the time where I don't talk a lot and you unvote me, the only thing I said was "I want guacamole" + prompting people to explain it. Nothing to gut read unless I say something nice.

And you're the first(?) to unvote me.

You're not wise town making the right read, you are scum who is quickly evading my wagon, afraid to be called 0pp0rtunistic scum.

[Kmd4390]

BK, fair enough on Rory. That post where he says Gamma and Realeo are scum and they other team is probably inactive kind of sounds like only hunting one team too. Why is his post about Transcend scummy though?

[SnarkySnowman]

Is nn dead yet?

No and we should wait for him to defend himself before we make him dead.

[Joshz]

I've already roughly said this but this kind of setup in particular I'd much rather lynch scummy idlers rather than scummy frequent posters early on. We have two scum teams and both are just as concerned with scum hunting as town is. So, I still put nn's on the acummier side of the spectrum. He is contributing to scum hunting though regardless, whereas someone like rory is being scummy while also not doing much period. When one team is gone is when we revert to standard scum lynching, for now be good little sheep and vote rory
Again, if nn's was lock scum I'd still lynch him. His recent posts are better though. It's not worth the risk lynching him rn.

General question to more experienced peiple: are scum likely to be more concerned with taking out the opposing scum team than town?

[Io]

So, controversial question, but why is nn scum again?

[Joshz]

Poor entrance, general poor early game, blah blah. It's been explained in more detail previously.

[Rory]

why am i being townread i havent done shit itg lmao

this isnt meant to get townread even more, i literally do not get it. i have no confident reads rn so i left my vote on bk but its not strong, and i havent contributed much. this compared to when i get scum read after being active >_>

srsly ppl have no right to keep townreading me!

unvote and VOTE: rory

Where does this vote come from? I wasn't even townreading you, so the point you made was obviously not against me.

There is no explanation here; you didn't townread me and therefore weren't even discussed in the post

so you question people for townreading you and then vote someone completely different for no reason at all? How does that make sense?