Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Alisae]

Welcome to the Hotel Pleuvoir! YA YO! Mew

I am going to be making various cat noises in my post cuz wynaut. Mew mew mew.

Press A to pound the following person
VOTE: Tywin Lannister

[Alisae]

FYI: Pine is town.

Can kitty like me ask why? Mew

[Alisae]

Miss me?

I don't know who you are, but I miss you. Mew.

[Alisae]

Miss me?

I don't know who you are, but I miss you. Mew.

Ah hello well don't need to miss me anymore friend <3

Yay Friend Mew <3

Yes? Lots. We met here.

Wowie! Is a epic tale without an adventure where ywall go slay the mighty dragon?

[Alisae]

Well, more likely town than before. Scum likely is aware of the player list and would know the person I claimed mason with isn't in the game because that's my wife

^ Claims it's impossible to have a game together with his wife.

Me don't see how this is logical mew. Can you explain logic plz? mew.

[Alisae]

Wowie! I didn't know we had a quack around here mew!~

And I iz no alt, Tywin can prove this mew.

[Alisae]

Before this goes any farther... Pine please read my claim and read the player list. Thanks.

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Shut up

My vote stays.

Awwww adorable

I know rite. I rate 7.8/10, too much adorablez mew.

[Alisae]

My Kitty senses approve of the post above

[Alisae]

I also think that you're both town. mew.

[Alisae]

Aww thanks mew. I liek avi too mew.

But I think Cabd and Pine are town so far mew. That's what I meant by they're both town.

[Alisae]

FYI: Alisae is town.

You're weird. You make no sense to kitty mew.

[Alisae]

Do you have a problem with Masons?

Yes

Can you articulate said problem? Mew.
Same with problem with kitty? mew.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Lapsa

Do you have a problem with Masons?

Hey Sonia. *waves*

You know that's not how I say hello!
*tackle hug*

CUUUUUUUUUUUTE! MEW MEW MEW!

[Alisae]

Call me cute again and I'll skin you.
I'm not cute!

OMGAWD ITS A TSUNDERE! CUUUUUUUTE! MEW! MEW! MEW! NYAN!
And I'll have you know that if you skin me, I'll torture your Titus! I am a very creative person, I has the perfect torture method involving magnets. Mew.

[Alisae]

Hey! That's just one method! But Sonia won't skin me if I become your Kitty, right Titus? Mew.

And fine, I'll tone it down a bit for you. Why are you keeping your vote on Cabd?

[Alisae]

Titus you can hug Sonia whenever chu want. Mew. Never said you can't.

Sure, I'll vote
VOTE: Lapsa

[Alisae]

Woah, this game started already? Time sure flies by fast during the holidays.

VOTE: Elbrin

What is your opinion about Lapsa's behavoir?

[Alisae]

Elbrin last time you said someone was town because you said so, you were lynched and that person who you said was town was scum. Yet again, you were also town that game.

[Alisae]

Titus why do you think Gamma is not a BFF?

[Alisae]

Titus why do you think Gamma is not a BFF?

He's null. Too early.

Wowie I think that too! We have so much in common! Thought I asked because a good half of the people you claim to be BFFs with are on the Lapas wagon. Mew

[Alisae]

Gamma what are your reads?

[Alisae]

Can you explain the reasoning behind the reads?

[Alisae]

Titus why do you think Gamma is not a BFF?

He's null. Too early.

No hes not, he voted obvious town and you say someone fosing obvious town is null because lack of content beep beep
Lapsa is obvious town, sonia didnt say hi so ill go and say that its not towny, titus had 2 bad posts, tra

Nice hard reads.

Ssbm is town

Sticking by it

I assume this is based on meta? If not plz explain shit.

Why is Titus scum btw

Ye, something I can get behind cuz the way she presented her reads as BFFs is interesting. But I want to know why YOU think she is scum.

[Alisae]

Reads time! Mew!

I think Elbrin, Pine, Cadb are townies. My read on them still stands, Elbrin's post is honestly just part of how I saw him end up playing. He presents his reads the same way. Judging by meta I'd I think he's town.
I believe I already stated why I think Pine and Cadb are town. Atleast I think I did.
ssbm could also be town. I don't think I'm seeing a reason to doubt the claim, but thats why I'm reading the thread a bunch of times to see that nothing flys over my head.

Null readings go to Gamma, Lapsa, Tywin, AJ, Nosferatu. Mostly everyone on here I wanna see more on.
And I'm not satsified with Gamma, I feel like he's not genuinely evaluating the game. Seems disinterested to me.
As for Lapsa, I can see him going either way. As scum he could just be acting the way he was just to make people think he's obvtown so he could just get that out of the way, but as town I could see why he is playing the way he is. Just dunno how to explain it into words.
Gonna ISO Sonia. She requires more thought and effort. Currently null for me till I do. Same with Trans.

Scummy for me is currently Titus and Cloud.
Don't like the way TItus presents her reads. It's very safe. And BFFs could mean scum, it doesn't mean anything to me. Yet again, it could just be messing around, which it probs is.
Cloud I think could be scum for multiple reasons. I don't like the hard claims. It seems hypocritical that you're using 77 as a reason to vote when quite really you provided hard claims yourself.
But there's another reason.

Because he roled town, its in his role gamma,

i stalked him pregame

and mod pmed me that hes town, are you saying the mod is lying ????

I don't ever remember there being a pre-game phase. I certainly was around when the game started, so could just be more or something. Either way, I don't like you. Mew.

VOTE: CloudKicker
If the person isn't on here they're null.

[Alisae]

BTW I said claim, I'm refering to this thing.

Ssbm is town

Sticking by it

I assume this is based on meta? If not plz explain shit.

I always start my games with Transcend by saying "Sup nerds and Transcend" and he can no longer resist my wiles

[Alisae]

My BFFs are my townreads.

Yeah, don't know where you're getting BFFs could mean scum.

And you're voting the vi.

Meh, it's probably nothing when it comes to the reads. Also I don't think you've been genuinely evaluating game.
And that makes sense to me, but it seems to be he wants to be the vi.

[Alisae]

What makes me harder to read then others?

My attention span.

[Alisae]

Alisae the pregame comment is a reference to epicmafia where theres a pregame lobby

Oh okay I iz dumb then. Sry. My scum reads are litterally retarded then.
UNVOTE:

Also Elbrin why do you wanna wagon Uzi?

[Alisae]

Ironicly you being annoyed at meta makes me think that that is town meta for you tywin.

Nero why did you particularly vote Gamma?

[Alisae]

Nero why did you particularly vote Gamma?

I explained it. Why do you not like me voting Gamma?

@Cabd-the Lapsa wagon

Oh. I thought I just missed it. And I never said I didn't like it. Cuz I don't like the little effort he put in the game, yet again that at the very beginning of the game, but still not an excuse for his stuff.
VOTE: Gamma

[Alisae]

Tywin, he's trying to get himself lynched. It's not pro-town tho. But I think him voting me and afterwards saying FYI: I'm town sorta contributes to that attitude.

[Alisae]

I can prove I'm not an alt as well. Alts can't be in newbie game. Here is other game I was in. Mew.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69290

[Alisae]

I also like when she posts more seriously, it's attractive.

That is strange word to use. Whatchu mean by attractive?

[Alisae]

About me being an alt? Sure. I'm not an alt. Here is the account being linked in question:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=28945
The account above is my alt.
I made that account after making this one. I made it so I could get this account activated because when I tried to make this account, it had to get activated for some reason.

I remember those arguements about buzzwords. I remember me refering to the wiki for those. Good times.

[Alisae]

Tywin do YOU think Titus is scum? Also what do you think currently of Elbrin and Uzi?

[Alisae]

(Pine Alisae SSBM Lapsa) townreads I'm happy with.

We've got hangups on Lapsa.

We got two cws to him in addition to him autoobjecting to your mason claim.

Mason claim was a yolk btw, you did see that later on right? Lapsa, do you really dislike Masons? If so, why?

I also believe I asked the same question a long time ago. And I also believe I never got the answer to said question.

I remember when Tywin missed my questions and I called him scum for it but in the end we were both townies. Good times.

Yeah, at the moment between Elbrin and Uzi, I'm going with Uzi as well. I have more confidence in my townread on Elbrin. And Uzi is a null for me, in fact leaning towards scum.

[Alisae]

Uzi, your RVS vote was placed before Sonia's post. And you haven't taken it down since. Why do YOU think Elbrin in scum? Not why Sonia thought it or why anyone else thought it.

[Alisae]

Stop walling

Love,

Me

Stop posting useless fluff and contribute.

I don't think this is useless at all.

[Alisae]

And Elbrin, whatever your ability is, I don't like the fact you used it so early in the day. Tho I don't really know what it is cuz it's not something I ever seen so yeah.

[Alisae]

why are you supposing it's fake? I feel like you're implying that it is.

[Alisae]

Say there is a gladiator in the game. Wouldn't Elbrin stand out a bit too much considering this? I mean, he has the biggest wagon on him at the moment. Yet he's trying to grab more attention to himself. Doesn't that seem strange to you?

[Alisae]

I thought it was genuine because quite frankly it's something I've honestly never seen before. And generally I give people the benefit of the doubt unless I see them contradicting themselves. Ontop of that, you have to remember I thought Elbrin was town based on meta. Honestly if it is genuine, it makes me concerned.

[Alisae]

Titus why do you think Tywin is scum?

[Alisae]

It makes me concerned because it seems so early to be using it off of something that I feel is not very big. Yes, he is avoiding the question, but Eblrin overeacted to that. And that makes me concerned.
I didn't react to it right away because I didn't know what to make of it. And I didn't know what to make of it because a Gladiator is something I have never seen before. So I was caught off-guard.

BTW you're making me think you're town. Thats a good thing. Mew.

[Alisae]

It makes me concerned because it seems so early to be using it off of something that I feel is not very big. Yes, he is avoiding the question, but Eblrin overeacted to that. And that makes me concerned.
I didn't react to it right away because I didn't know what to make of it. And I didn't know what to make of it because a Gladiator is something I have never seen before. So I was caught off-guard.

BTW you're making me think you're town. Thats a good thing. Mew.

Again, there was no question. Your paranoia did give me a good laugh though.

I thought Titus was acting me a question about this ;~;

[Alisae]

Elbrin, what were you attempting to accomplish with the fake gladiate?

[Alisae]

Yeah I know that, but my question is what reaction was he expecting if any? And what reaction was he expecting from everyone else?

[Alisae]

ssbn, what do you think of Lannister and Alisae?

What do you think of Tywin?

[Alisae]

Yeah, I saw that. First time I never actually got an answer. You're still not giving me an answer. But okay.
Why do you think me asking that particular question makes you think I'm scummy?

[Alisae]

OOOOOOOOOH I thought that was refering to something you said not what he said. Okaaaaay, I'm starting to understand. I iz bad at reading.
BRB ISOing Tywin

[Alisae]

Now, why are you poking mama?

You know why

^ scum

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Why?

[Alisae]

This post and the next is for Tywin.

At work so can't post or read anything yet, but confirming. VOTE: Alisae cuz hi! And OMGUS! .

The OMGUS part is something I would not expect from you in the RVS stage.

2. Alisae voting Cloud. Cloud looks like the scummiest player in the game so far IMO. I will write more on this in another post (on my phone, ease of use difficulties). My overall feeling though is that Cloud is scum. He is definitely pretending to be the vi. Posts look forced, content looks useles/all fluff, no real game evaluation, and he isn't trying to find scum. I can't see how anyone would get a TR off of cloud at the very least, and not knowing his meta, I'd say that this VI throwaway excuse is a bad one. VI = liability/anti-town, and it's a catch-all to remove scummy play. I know I've played the carefree VI as scum in the past, and it works on those who don't read/pay attention/evaluate the game past the current page. It makes the supposed carefree VI look active, but it's not playing the game to lynch scum. It's there to pretend contribution/activity and avoid the lurker suspicion . If he is the VI every game as he claims, then he should reevaluate his play. There are always players that are lynchbait in every game they play, but most at least try their best. Cloud isn't trying at all to be pro-town. Therefore, cloud gets my vote.

What about me voting Cloud at this point of the game? What do I have to do with this wall of text?

[Alisae]

I never claimed vi, titus did and its her read on myself not mine. This is my townplay, when im scum i dont aggro the attention of the whole town just to do my show, i can give you 2 game on site that demonstrate that meta.

I don't use or care about meta. Every good player can and does change their meta to help win games for their alignment. Meta is for either those naive enough to assume people are robots who never change their play/get better, or those policy lynchbait players that don't know how to change. I doubt you're either of those two, so don't bother. You're in this game currently, so I'll judge my reads off of that. They could change, but you are currently my top scum read.

I know you complaining about meta is normal for you, but let me ask you something? Have you ever tried changing your meta? And when you did, what ended up happening to you? Becuase meta is a fair thing to fall back on if you think you have a grasp of that player's playstyle.

Hey, if nobody pressures Uzi to answer basic questions, then he'll skate by forever. I'm just adding my voice behind Eliburn's since it's a more than reasonable request. Vote some out (or keep it there outside RVS) and you should be able to explain why they're scummy. It may not be good reasoning, but either way helps others gain reads. Not answering at all or giving reasons for things is scummy though, so I expect Uzi will reciprocate.

What gives you the impression that no one else was going to pressure Uzi?

Also, at the time did you think Elbrin's Gladiate was real or not?

[Alisae]

Also now that I think about it, you really haven't added anything to the game besides that you think Lapsa and Cloud is scum, and that kyou, nero, and me are town.

[Alisae]

Pedit: that's also directed towards Twyin if no one saw that.

[Alisae]

Transcend, am I crazy this game?

I may not be Transcend, but I think you're town.

[Alisae]

Why?

Very inappropriate and shallow attempt at buddying.

Actually I sorta agree with you on this. I do get the feeling he is trying to buddy with people. Like me.

[Alisae]

Transcend, am I crazy this game?

probably

Also is 16+ pages within the first 24 hours of day 1 normal? Cuz that might also be part of that.

[Alisae]

Alisae seems sheepy so far.

If I'm sheepy why haven't I joined the Elbrin wagon?

[Alisae]

Ez Sonia. 2 reasons.
A. It's something that Tywin needs to understand as a player.
B. It helps me townread Transcend.

[Alisae]

Ez Sonia. 2 reasons.
A. It's something that Tywin needs to understand as a player.
B. It helps me townread Transcend.

Why does that filler make you tr Transcend

To me it seem like townies would get annoyed at wall posts.

[Alisae]

Tho I decided to ISO Trans now. I believe any reasonable person would have wanted to hop on the Elbrin wagon because of Sonia's reasoninging on I believe it was 85
But yeah, no one else brought up AJ potentially being scum besides Trans at that point. Tho besides mostly that, I would like to see more. Mew.

[Alisae]

Titus: why haven't you asked me a single question? Why do you continue to ask others to comment on me while you refuse to sort me directly yourself?

Twin, gun to your head.

Lynch Elbrin or Uzi.
Cabd or Uzi.

Uzi

Then why are you treating Uzi with kid gloves?

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for the moment. I'll let him answer. I've missed questions before as town (missed yours a few times last game), so it's entirely possible he missed them. I don't think he can miss it now, so next post or two from him should give a better read.

VOTE: Tywin Lannister

[Alisae]

The reason she gives for her intial SR on you, Titus, looks bad. She said you haven't been evaluating the game I think, but the shift to a TR looks like it could be defensive.

The reason here Titus is interacting with me. Titus is evaulating me as scum. Titus is scum hunting. Titus is doing town things. Thus she gets my read as town.

[Alisae]

The reason she gives for her intial SR on you, Titus, looks bad. She said you haven't been evaluating the game I think, but the shift to a TR looks like it could be defensive.

The reason here Titus is interacting with me. Titus is evaulating me as scum. Titus is scum hunting. Titus is doing town things. Thus she gets my read as town.

Why would I care if she's interacting with you? You could be her scum buddy. Titus is calling me scum, not you. So in calling me scum, she needs to ask me questions, not you. And now that you chainsaw HARD for Titus, I question if maybe you two are buddies. It surely isn't a townie move to not let her answer her own questions, let alone letting the focus go off of her.

Why do you think the read was directed towards you? Becuase it wasn't.

[Alisae]

oh sorry my 430 was addressed at Alisae but then I saw Tywin's wallpost and replied in the pedit, so if I could still get a reply from Alisae on the top part of it that'd be chill. Like I said I've seen you do it more than once so that's why I pointed it out. I obviously know what you meant, not trying to argue over the acronyms.

Oh! Okay! Let me answer that now then!
I feel as if being annoyed at wall posts (especially arguements that are just walls of text) is just intution.

[Alisae]

Lapsa, Pine, SSBM, Alisae.

Do you have any objections to the other three names next to you?

Inquiring minds want to know.

The way the question is phrased makes me think that it's also directed towards me. Is it?

[Alisae]

At this point, I'm happy with a lynch on Tywin. Because pressure is on him, he feels as if he is obligated to go through everything. One example is why I thought Titus was scum. He thought I was responding to him because I had a post of his quoted in that post (which is not the case btw).

Also, Tywin is pushing Titus while giving Sonia a scum read seems off to me. I feel like at that moment, Sonia would have been a lot easier to push at the moment, but Tywin isn't pushing Sonia. So if Tywin is scum, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonia scum with Tywin.

[Alisae]

Pedit: Why I thought Titus was town. My bad.

[Alisae]

At this point, I'm happy with a lynch on Tywin. Because pressure is on him, he feels as if he is obligated to go through everything. One example is why I thought Titus was scum. He thought I was responding to him because I had a post of his quoted in that post (which is not the case btw).

Also, Tywin is pushing Titus while giving Sonia a scum read seems off to me. I feel like at that moment, Sonia would have been a lot easier to push at the moment, but Tywin isn't pushing Sonia. So if Tywin is scum, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonia scum with Tywin.

This line is shit.
Tywin isn't really that scummy just had a bad post he does seem like he's trying to figure the game out while you're just casting shade at wagons with fluff
the light shade toss to me is cute though.

Tywin outright lied about things twice in the thread. I don't get how you're saying he's trying to figure things out.

Surprisingly I'm not considering this as scummy. This moreso has to do with Tywin as a player. He shown this kind of behavoir in a town game. It seems very anti-town and sorta why I got into a lot of TvT fights with him (good times), but if it was anyone else, I would consider this scummy.

[Alisae]

Lapsa, Pine, SSBM, Alisae.

Do you have any objections to the other three names next to you?

Inquiring minds want to know.

The way the question is phrased makes me think that it's also directed towards me. Is it?

It is. I'm asking all four of you your opinions of the other three.

My read on Pine is getting stale. I think he's either catching up or lurking, because I'm seeing him posting in other games.
SSBM seems to be genuinely evaluating the game to me.
Lapsa seems to be genuinely evaluating the game, but I feel off about this because of his earlier posts that caused a wagon on him.

[Alisae]

At this point, I'm happy with a lynch on Tywin. Because pressure is on him, he feels as if he is obligated to go through everything. One example is why I thought Titus was scum. He thought I was responding to him because I had a post of his quoted in that post (which is not the case btw).

Also, Tywin is pushing Titus while giving Sonia a scum read seems off to me. I feel like at that moment, Sonia would have been a lot easier to push at the moment, but Tywin isn't pushing Sonia. So if Tywin is scum, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonia scum with Tywin.

This line is shit.
Tywin isn't really that scummy just had a bad post he does seem like he's trying to figure the game out while you're just casting shade at wagons with fluff
the light shade toss to me is cute though.

Tywin outright lied about things twice in the thread. I don't get how you're saying he's trying to figure things out.

What were the lies

1) That I never asked him anything.
2) That I claimed Gladiator was normal when I only said it was real.

Do you really think that a wall posting player like tywin would only use something as nai as gladiator talk to push on you, i dont

I have never played with Tywin before, but challenging me to a fight based on false information and doubling down when caught on it is what scum do, not town.

And because I have, I will answer this. I will also leave links to places where arguements between me and Tywin started up. We were both towns.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=225 Somewhere on this page an arguement between us starts and goes on for a couple pages.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525 Somewhere on this page another arguement starts between us and goes on for a couple more pages.

[Alisae]

I find it funny that it's the third time we had to ask him that quesiton.
And I figured it was lynch bait which makes sense to me and why I feel off. Do you feel that it is possible that as scum he could try to be lynch bait?

[Alisae]

Srsly though, can we play Mafia?

Moar Lapsa votes please.

why you tryna get serious 3 pages in smh

Is there a reason why he shouldn't?

[Alisae]

I didn't like it but like everyone else who voted me for the same dumb ass reason I've chalked it down as "no one understands me"

I may be a complete retard, but what about that reason seemed dumb?

[Alisae]

K no one cares

Lynch aj

I cared because I asked the question.
And okay, this is the right person, right?
VOTE: Transcend
Don't just tell me to do something without giving me a reason. Maybe you could, idunno, add something to the game? that would be really cool.

[Alisae]

K no one cares

Lynch aj

I cared because I asked the question.
And okay, this is the right person, right?
VOTE: Transcend
Don't just tell me to do something without giving me a reason. Maybe you could, idunno, add something to the game? that would be really cool.

Nice stupid vote

Takes one to know one

[Alisae]

Cabd, why do you think Pine is town again?

[Alisae]

Fair enough.
VOTE: Aj

Yeah, I thought Pine was also town because of page 1 and 2 stuff, but that read got stale. Maybe that's just because I got impatient tho.

[Alisae]

You have Gamma worse than lying?

You seemed to be really hooked on the fact it's a lie. And I see where you're coming from. But I've played with Tywin. He acted like this before. And I got into a TvT arguement with him because of this habbit. I wouldn't say it's a lie, I would say it's moreso a player habbit.

Tho when it comes to the gladiator thing, that does make my scum radar go wacko.

[Alisae]

{SSBM, Lapsa, Cadb, Trans} <--- The fucks I'm not lynching
{Titus, Elbrin, Cloud}
{Nero}
{Pine} <--- A very stale read
{Nos, Everyone else } <-- Null, Neutral, can go either way
{Uzi, Tywin}
{Sonia}
{Gamma, AJ} <--- Pretty scummy

[Alisae]

Sonia, why are you overeacting to this wagon? Like, you're I think you're overeacting to the wagon for reasons that I just don't agree with.

[Alisae]

Valid question. I'm comfortable with it because I don't like your posts.
Like for example the one where you vote Elbrin. You're implying that he had stated no reason for his townreads at all. But at that point he stated his reasons for why he thought 2 out of 3 people were town, the last person I knew it was gut because of his meta.
And I don't get why you would want to encourage wall posts? The problem with them is that they lack a consice arguement that you could easily grab. They fail to convey the point to the reader. I like arguements that are easy to grab and understand.

[Alisae]

Titus it's more so I didn't like them because of what the content inside them was.

[Alisae]

AJ I'm satisfied with you for now. I sympathize with you on the fast pase issue, they can be a bitch to deal with if you aren't around to keep up with. And the way I see it, if you can structure you're arguement, you can make a short post about it.
UNVOTE:

And Sonia, I see you. Let's start with this, why don't you like the fact I said you were overeacting?

[Alisae]

Titus, can you break that down incredibly simply? Make it so obvious even my thick skull gets it? because to me it seems to be splitting hair over semantics.

BTW Titus I don't recall you answer this.

[Alisae]

AJ I'm satisfied with you for now. I sympathize with you on the fast pase issue, they can be a bitch to deal with if you aren't around to keep up with. And the way I see it, if you can structure you're arguement, you can make a short post about it.
UNVOTE:

And Sonia, I see you. Let's start with this, why don't you like the fact I said you were overeacting?

Because I don't think I was

If you thought a wagon was on town driven by a few scummy people what would you do?
Do you think that's really an overreaction
the reason I dislike it is because it feels like you're just trying to add a reason to sr me when I don't see the overreaction at all if others say it's also an overreaction I'd have to shut up cause I'd be wrong

Well I don't see Trans as scummy. But let's say I was in the situation. I would just defend my townread, or if the person pushing the wagon was obviously scummy, go attack them. But I don't think Trans is being obviously scummy. I think he's town.

And to explain the overeaction bit, I said overeacted because it mostly seemed like you were really frustrated.

BTW, since I am assuming you're asking me to be in your shoes, I'm gonna assume you're giving AJ a town read.
Also what about AJ seemed town to you?

[Alisae]

Titus, can you break that down incredibly simply? Make it so obvious even my thick skull gets it? because to me it seems to be splitting hair over semantics.

BTW Titus I don't recall you answer this.

628

Oh okay, I thought it was about the AJ vote or something about that.

[Alisae]

Oh okay. Yeah to me it seemed like you were just attacking the people who started the wagon in AJ's defence.

[Alisae]

Oh okay. Yeah to me it seemed like you were just attacking the people who started the wagon in AJ's defence.

I like to chainsaw defense a lot. poking logic I find faulty is just my style.

Ironicly I do too. And Tywin attacks me for it all the time ;~;
I just didn't like the chainsaw defense in this situation. If I agreed that Trans is scummy, then I probably would have.
Either way, I guess I iz starting to understand now. To me it just seemed like you didn't like what was going on at the time.
So yeah, It's not overeacting I guess.

[Alisae]

^stop with the excuses ty this is the same reason tywin was scummy af

Is he still scummy to you?

[Alisae]

VOTE: pine

Huh?
I mean, I have a stale read on Pine, but why?

[Alisae]

The problem with calling someone a liar is you better be damn sure you can prove it

Last game you called me a liar multiple times and you never proved that. Hypocrite -_-.

Clicked on your 628 post. Oddly enough, none of your links in that post work.

And whats stopping you from trying to find the post mentioned?

I think you really, really don't like that I'm calling you out. Your personality is the type to want to take charge, but you can't lead the sheep when your integrity is called into question. Best get rid of the townie that does so, right? The problem you're really in is that when I flip, be it lynch or an NK by your scum team, it only incriminates you further. I'll gladly trade a 1 for 1 with scum, and I'd say you're strong scum who likes to throw her weight around. You can't bully everyone however, and so that's why you push me so hard

I disagree. If anyone is somewhat close to leading the town, I think its Transcend.

[Alisae]

Hey Titus if you had to pick one BFF who would it be?

I hope if you don't mind asking you that same question.

Same goes to Tywin.

[Alisae]

btw, I feel as if Gamma town, mostly due to being annoyed the fact that the thread is 30+ pages, but that's honestly just a gut feeling with nothing really to back it up.

[Alisae]

Titus I like all of those BFFs. I like u as BFF too.

[Alisae]

Also Titus, what is your opinion about this if any? Cuz to me Pine just seems annoyed from this post. I mean, judging from pace that's fine, but I don't get what he would get from lurking.

ah jeez, guys...
you're all so bloody ENGAGED in the game. Can't everyone just lurk the shit of it for a while lol

That's essentially what I'm doing. Trying to keep up but fuck this.

I don't see why scum would just say this. If Pine was scum, I feel like he would just want to keep on lurking instead of just showing us that he's annoyed with the pace.

[Alisae]

Funny, I do ride my Tiny Bicicleta to school.

[Alisae]

Titus are ya able to articulate what those feelings are exactly?

VOTE: GammaEmerald
I'll just leave this here until I'm satisfied with you.

[Alisae]

That would be fair regarding gamma if he weren't actively posting elsewhere. He's got this game on the backburner on day one. Wonder why.

This is a response to me thinking you could be town. I'll just leave this here.

[Alisae]

Okay but who said I fully believed in lynching you?

[Alisae]

Nero what do you think of her?

[Alisae]

Yeah, not to mention I will attempt to protect my townread like a motherfucker. Titus is genuinely evaluating the game. Thus she gets my townread. Now state your case. Why do you think Titus is scum?

[Alisae]

Now state your case. Why do you think Titus is scum?

I think there was scum voting for Lapsa. She spent awhile ignoring me and then why I brought this up she then tried to wave my vote off as RVS or random. Why should I think this is town behavior?

Now state your case. Why do you think Titus is scum?

I think there was scum voting for Lapsa. She spent awhile ignoring me and then why I brought this up she then tried to wave my vote off as RVS or random. Why should I think this is town behavior?

Now state your case. Why do you think Titus is scum?

I think there was scum voting for Lapsa. She spent awhile ignoring me and then why I brought this up she then tried to wave my vote off as RVS or random. Why should I think this is town behavior?

Why are you disregarding everything else that happened in this thread regarding Titus?

I don't like the fact you came in here and just continued to say that Titus is scum without showing that you read. I don't like how little effort you're putting into the game currently. Once you read, maybe you can have a valid arguement, but for now, have a vote.
VOTE: Nero Cain

[Alisae]

Didn't expect to quote that 3 times. Oh well.

[Alisae]

Suddenly saying Titus is scum without considering the rest of the thread seems scummy to me. And it's not the effort you're putting into it when you're gone, it's the effort you're putting into it when you're here.

[Alisae]

And also, even if it is an RVS vote, you're still held acountable for that, like any other vote.

[Alisae]

I think it's more vindictive and childish than scummy.

What's the difference?

[Alisae]

It's not you thinking Titus is scum. It's you suddenly appearing out of nowhere and saying Titus is scum.
Also your question is phrased wierdly. Simplify.
Either way, I would like to hear an actual case towards Titus when you're finished reading, and then we'll go from there.

About Gamma. I thought Gamma being annoyed about the amount of pages could be a hint towards town, however I recently noticed that he also just asked for a summary. He's the only one to ask that. It's like he's desinterested in this game so far anyways.
And townleader for me is Trans, not Titus.

[Alisae]

It's you suddenly appearing out of nowhere and saying Titus is scum.

Well if I'm not online isn't any new post that I make going to be "appearing out of nowhere"

This has nothing to do with you being on or offline, this has to do with when you decide to appear in the thread. You appeared uneducated about what happened, and I am slightly annoyed about that.

The 2nd quote is based on meta, can't really atest to that. You probably know Titus more then I do.
As for the first quote, that does seem legit, but here's my problem with that. You say Titus is scum after missing a lot of pages, and then you state that as your case? That just seems wierd to me.
Also, what makes you so sure that someone like Pine or Gamma isn't the scum that's on the wagon? Hell, if you thought I was the scum on the wagon, that would be okay. Of course, that will be wrong because I am town.

[Alisae]

Alright, I think that's valid. I don't agree with it, but it's valid. Can you show me some games where Titus has done this to you while she was town and a game when Titus has ignored you while she was scum?

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

Nero, this might also be another fun thing to do if you want to do it that is. Is it possible you could post the vote counts from that game in here and highlight them with who was town and who is scum and all that fun stuff?

[Alisae]

Fair enough, I'll do it myself then.
And I figured that maybe lynching patterns could help figure things out.

[Alisae]

Mkay, got unmotivated to do that. I'm being retarded. And Cadb you're right. Plus, I think it's clear by now that it probably won't have any effect on how Titus plays now anyways.

I find it interesting how the only time she voted for you that game she mentioned a RVS vote. Seemed similar to whats going on so far and what you're saying. The more you talk about it, the more I think that you believe in what you're selling. But first, what do you think of the other people here.

[Alisae]

Kyouko I am reading Titus as town for genuinely evaluating the game.
Gamma is a bit more complicated at the moment. Gamma could be consider scummy for not putting that much effort into the game. And I don't like how he's been paying attention to his other games moreso then this game, tho I'd honestly understand it. Coming back to thirty pages after missing 10+ is annoying. And he sorta just used "what did I miss" to catch up. Tho I don't really know if he read the thread or not and just using that information given by Titus to help guide him. Either way to me it seems like he's disinterested.
VOTE: Gamma

[Alisae]

Also Kyouko, I was satisfied with what I got out of AJ. So I unvoted him.

[Alisae]

What about not voting is scummy to you?

[Alisae]

What about not voting is scummy to you?

Not voting as town implies you have no serious scumreads. 34 pages in town should have enough reads to either sheep a wagon that is comprised of townreads or to push a strong scumread.

This is fair. In that case I'ma quickly do my reads real quickly. But I wanna see what Tywin has to say to Titus before I decide to vote him, cause right now I have good reason to, it's just I know Tywin, and I feel like I can identify if he is town or not.

I noticed you voted Gamma as soon as I accused you, so I checked back on your old Gamma vote and came up with this:

Titus are ya able to articulate what those feelings are exactly?

VOTE: GammaEmerald
I'll just leave this here until I'm satisfied with you.

You moved your vote pretty quick after this to Nero when they started pushing Titus. Not sure if it's buddying town or chainsawing for your partner but either way it points to you being scum.

A couple of questions. A. Do you think Nero saying that Titus is scum without reading what he missed seem wierd to you? To me it seemed like he didn't even care about what happened prior. He had no new reasons to think that Titus was scum until after I started questioning him, which he and Titus then supplied the reasons while that was happening.
B. How do you know it's not just my playstyle? Because it is, you want a game where most of the time I defended someone else it was a chainsaw defence and I was town? Tywin was in that game too.
C. What do you see Titus as currently?
Because if you see her as town, then me chainsawing someone you think is town does not make sense to me. Or this whole line could just be a line filled with retarded logic.

Okay but your read is swayed a bit too easily.

Ditto, this has seemingly been the case with all of your reads so far. You are forming reads to conform with popular belief imo. You 180d on Transcend really fast and sheeped him when me and Titus followed him. You also earlier arbitrarily TRed him for not liking walls, then went to vote him immediately when he started a wagon on Aj. After I voted Aj and Transcend called your vote on him stupid you flipped and sheeped him.

Okay but who said I fully believed in lynching you?

So, do you, or don't you fully believe in lynching the player you are now currently voting, and why?

Spoiler:

inb4 you feel that Gamma is "genuinely evaluating the game"

LOL that last part. But I am mostly voting Gamma for pressure. However when it comes to Gamma, I'll stay on this wagon until I see them play the game. Much like why I hopped on the AJ wagon. I wanna see him play the game, I wanna see him give analysis on people. I want to see him do town things.
I will lynch Gamma if he doesn't do anything townish.

[Alisae]

That would be fair regarding gamma if he weren't actively posting elsewhere. He's got this game on the backburner on day one. Wonder why.

Just noticed I can say the same thing when it comes to Pine.

[Alisae]

Meh, might as well update my reads on nerds now.
{Titus, Trans, Cadb, Elbrin, Me, SSBM, Lapsa, Cloudd} <--- I think these people are town.
{Nero}
{Aj}
{Nos, Moz, Sonia} <--- Null/can go either way/need to re-look over and revist.
{Pine, Uzi} <--- Reads that are getting stale
{Tywin, Gamma} <--- My lynch pool.

[Alisae]

Sorry Cabd ;~;

Titus, can you remind me why you think Lapsa isn't town?
Can you remind me why you think Aj should be lower? I think they are null leaning town mostly because annoyed over pacing and they're starting to play the game. So, because a good townie would want to play the game and help the town, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Stale reads don't mean I think they're scum, mostly they're stale and I want to see more from them. Moreso null but Pine can come back and down town things whenever he wants.

[Alisae]

Kyouko gonna split these up to two posts because wall breaking.

What about not voting is scummy to you?

Not voting as town implies you have no serious scumreads. 34 pages in town should have enough reads to either sheep a wagon that is comprised of townreads or to push a strong scumread.

This is fair. In that case I'ma quickly do my reads real quickly. But I wanna see what Tywin has to say to Titus before I decide to vote him, cause right now I have good reason to, it's just I know Tywin, and I feel like I can identify if he is town or not.

So if you have good reason to vote Tywin and are only voting Gamma for pressure, why not vote the player you are more suspicious of? From what I've heard you have one game of experience with Tywin where you were both town and I don't think this is enough to be as confident as you seem to be in sorting Tywin.

While that may be true, his behavoir seems to be very similar to our last game. In which case, I'll come back to this when Tywin responds to Titus. And I will make you hold me to this.

Okay but your read is swayed a bit too easily.

Ditto, this has seemingly been the case with all of your reads so far. You are forming reads to conform with popular belief imo. You 180d on Transcend really fast and sheeped him when me and Titus followed him. You also earlier arbitrarily TRed him for not liking walls, then went to vote him immediately when he started a wagon on Aj. After I voted Aj and Transcend called your vote on him stupid you flipped and sheeped him.

Okay but who said I fully believed in lynching you?

So, do you, or don't you fully believe in lynching the player you are now currently voting, and why?

Spoiler:

inb4 you feel that Gamma is "genuinely evaluating the game"

LOL that last part. But I am mostly voting Gamma for pressure. However when it comes to Gamma, I'll stay on this wagon until I see them play the game. Much like why I hopped on the AJ wagon. I wanna see him play the game, I wanna see him give analysis on people. I want to see him do town things.
I will lynch Gamma if he doesn't do anything townish.

Seems like you're discussing a policy lynch 2 days into D1. Are you talking about deadline lynching him or sooner?

Spoiler:

Also I spoiled it because it was a joke so glad you found it funny

Honestly I'm okay with either.

Spoiler:

I like jokes too

Meh, might as well update my reads on nerds now.
{Titus, Trans, Cadb, Elbrin, Me, SSBM, Lapsa, Cloudd} <--- I think these people are town.
{Nero}
{Aj}
{Nos, Moz, Sonia} <--- Null/can go either way/need to re-look over and revist.
{Pine, Uzi} <--- Reads that are getting stale
{Tywin, Gamma} <--- My lynch pool.

Lots of players in your top tier, which is the most town to you?

@Titus - My bad, didn't realize you'd already been asked.

Me because of my role pm says so.

[Alisae]

A. I reread this exchange just in case and I think Nero is towny to continue to push his strongest SR. I understand that Titus doesn't agree with why he's pushing her, and could see her reaction to the push as towny. It's still very dismissive but I think this is the result of a personality quirk in Titus. He isn't ignoring the rest of the game either, he's catching up as he discusses his Titus SR. See 831.
B. I don't know if it's your playstyle or not, which is why I'm voting you. I'm not going to assume that you always play anti-town (buddying, sheeping, handing out excessive TRs) when you're town based off of one game I didn't even participate in.
C. Titus is probably town. Even if she is scum though, your actions revolving around her could be seen as a chainsaw defence. I'm more inclined to think you're buddying town!Titus.

A. I'm starting to think so too, it's just seemed silly to continue to push it while he was catching up.
B. ...

I am specifically talking about http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67071

I can't think of any games where town Titus ignores me and then tries to wave off my vote as vindictive or something.

I'm reading this Street Fighter mafia Titus + Nero combined ISO and I don't think this is the same situation. Looks like you had a real reason to push her in that game, where she was contradicting herself in a couple of places about a wagon on Beeboy and where she wasn't defending her TR or something like that. I don't usually look at past games as evidence but I decided to this time for reasons.

Alisae, Titus, Gamma: What are your reads on the other 2 players in this list?

VOTE: Alisae
This looks scum, the buddying is stinky and she continues to sit around asking others for their opinions on situations. I don't like the show of solidarity with the Aj wagon to so quickly jump off of it. Too much fence-sitting and sheeping from this slot, and is now not voting 34 pages in.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT

(Totally did not RIP trans)

[Alisae]

OH WAIT, Misread that as not voting you. my bad, ignore that.

[Alisae]

Yeah figured. Trans. I'm saying that because to me he seems to be townleader.

[Alisae]

So I answered Trans as my first. My 2nd would have to be a tie between Titus and you.

[Alisae]

And if I was scum, what would scum me have to gain from chainsaw defending Titus?

[Alisae]

And if I was scum, what would scum me have to gain from chainsaw defending Titus?

Towncred...

Oh yeah, I'm dumb. Yet again it is almost 2am and I do need to sleep but that's not an excuse for me asking really shitty questions.

Any specific moments you think make me look scummy?
Or anything else you wanna ask me?

[Alisae]

Mod: Transcend is on Gamma too.

Honestly I read that post as transcend being a smart ass and not as a vote, so I'm not surprised cephrir did too.

If this is the case, I would be interested as to hear why.

Spoiler:

Also bad trump memes. The best way to make a trump meme work is to get into an arguement between two people where the two people keep on using the quotes to build bigger walls. A better meme would be to say that we're gonna take the Gamma wagon all the way to Jerusalem. DUES VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT!

[Alisae]

Moz, assuming you're still reading, how far are you into the thread?

[Alisae]

People who arent posting/lurkers
LIL, NERO, NERFS, TRANSCEND.

Bound to be at least one scum here.

What makes you think Gamma isn't lurking?

[Alisae]

Moz glad to know that you're town.

[Alisae]

Hey, remember this?

I'm finding Alisea a bit too jovial for my liking. Bit TOO jokey, maybe forced heartiness, bit nervous?

VOTE ALISEA

I find it interesting that people like Pine and Elbrin asked me to tone it down back then but you voted me for it.

[Alisae]

Titus is 100% wrong, but I remain wholly unconvinced on her being scum.

What do you think she is wrong about?

[Alisae]

Also, for those who think that Titus is scum, what reads do you have on people currently?

[Alisae]

AJ, humor me for a bit will ya. I don't remember you posting your reads. Would you like to post your reads?

[Alisae]

Please do catch up. I know me, Sonia, and Titus have wonderful things that we asked you or something along those lines.

[Alisae]

I'm starting to think about this more. Gamma knows there's a wagon on him. Yet he's isn't budging yet. Maybe he's still catching up, maybe not. But if Gamma was scum, wouldn't he try to act a bit more townish? I can't explain it now, but it uneases me.

And I don't think scum!tywin would make warp what other players are saying into something else. I think scum!tywin would pay more attention to what other people are saying. And I feel like he would be making a lot less assumptions.

Like, is this game REALLY this easy to solve? It just seems so obviously scummy to not be scummy at all. It bothers me and I just don't get it, or I could be overthinking this. Hence why I'ma wait for the Lapsa and Titus cases to come out. Thats when shit will probably start happening. But for now I'ma keep my top 2 scum picks being these guys.

P-Edit: NVM on Gamma. Gamma we'll all be waiting.

[Alisae]

Agree with Kyouko and the nulls. Convince me on Cloud.

The guy - to use his own qords - was "aggroing the whole town". Put himself right in the spotlight. Borderline VI. He's not scum.

I feel you should take another look at him again when you get the chance but I can see what you mean. Wouldn't say he's a VI though.

If you think differently, would you like to enlighten us?

[Alisae]

it annoys me to no end that I have posted, multiple times, why I think Titus is scum and both Ali and Elbrin are acting like it never happened.

I'm not ignoring it, I'm waiting for the other cases. I know you and Noz as stated theirs.

[Alisae]

AJ picks the easiest players to call scum here. That's not a real analysis. He simply went with the two players most won't disagree with in a way that requires explaining. AJ hasn't done anything all game as far as I've seen, unless I missed something between the last 12 pages (will catch up soon regardless). The guy is skating by and is half-hearting these bs reads.

AJ: why am I scum? Why is Alisae scum? Why do you have two scum reads, but can't seem to get reads on more than half the game? Please explain all the reads you half heartedly slapped together.

"Can't get a good read" isn't true. I'm just a paranoid player and therefore don't like to have a townlist I don't trust.

I've discussed Alisae and you for scum. Until you respond there, I'm of no need to do your busy work. You either read it or you don't.

Furthermore it's completely on you not to be an 'easy target', aka someone who can be easily scum read. Alisae isn't necessarily that either, as certainly there's not exactly popularity for her lynch before I started discussing it. One vote on, from Nos in RVS. At peak, 3 votes on.

P-edit: Gamma's more suspect for what he HAS said, those 2 just haven't said much.

Being paranoid is fine, but it isn't when you specifically name two players as scum and ignore absolutely everyone else in the game. When I eventually flip town (and I WILL get lynched this game, because half the game is full of teenagers that don't know what they're doing, call things that aren't scummy as being scummy, and write 39 pages of almost completely useless content that frankly is annoying af), what will you do? If Alisae also flipped town, you'd be down two townies with absolutely zero reads. The few reads you did claim just now are at the very least half-wrong, so if both players are town, you're awful at this. Just saying.

Honestly, I have half a mind to just vote myself off just so I can get out of this clusterfuck of a game. These players have no idea what they're doing, and my role is worth Jack shit anyways. It bothers me that there are 39 pages on D1 and none of it is worth a damn. An extremely dedicated player could possibly sort through this mess to find the ONE diamond in all this crap, but I'm not that player. Adults write condensed posts with real content, but these people say one thing in 50 posts, post questions to the same person in multiple posts, and can't seem to gather any logical thought on what is truly going on. This game is depressing to play in tbh.

I just don't see much of a point to be active and read everything only to have to defend myself against illogical non-reasons. The only thing I've ever seen from anyone to call me scum is from one post where I said 'it's only fair' that Uzi answer Elibirn's question. That apparently was the scum tell of the century for these people, because they don't have a clue as to what scummy is or isn't. It's a joke. There's no defending against idiocy, and I can't change the minds of those who are either scum or just ignorant, so there's nothing to really be invested about in this game for me.

That's my $0.02. The only reason I even halfheartedly pay attention now is because it's disrespectful to not do so for the good players here. I see you guys, and I know you've complained about the speed of the game, useless ridalin-fueled posts, and illogical reasoning going on as well. I welcome you to vote me if you think I'm scum for absolutely no reason, but realize that when I do flip town, you followed like sheep without ever having a reason to do so. Bad wagons need to be addressed, but they never are by bad players. Mob mentality is one of the side-effects of Mafia, and mob mentality always sucks.

I may not be Aj, but summarize this in 20 words or less please.

[Alisae]

Hey Tywin, remember those times when I chainsawed and you thought I was scum for it but then we were both town? good times.

How would you defend your townreads?

@SSBM

Spoiler:

Who is the chick so I can go look her up

[Alisae]

Why should I have stopped scum reading Titus?

A. That wall of text wasn't directed towards you.
B. What made you think I meant that you should have stopped scumreading Titus?
C. Are you asking for why I think Titus is scum?

[Alisae]

For the record, the only question that was thrown my way from Elbrin was one asking me who am I after he declared he was Bart Simpson. I didn't think he was serious but I guess to answer, take a look at my wiki if you want to know more about me.

I also like when she posts more seriously, it's attractive.

That is strange word to use. Whatchu mean by attractive?

Alluring.

I like what I see.

Well, feels like my vote is in the right place. I do agree with the town read on Alisae though and I'm sure a quick meta dive can confirm how she's been described for those who do TR her. I also like when she posts more seriously, it's attractive. Her questions and reads feel like they're coming from town.

Yeah, nah. You don't get to keep your rvs vote on me, not explain why, and then instead of talking about why you think I'm scum go off on a tangent about alisae instead. Tell the good people of this thread why I'm scum

Square up, you bout to catch these blessed hands

Gladiate: Lil Uzi Vert

I think it's pretty obvious why you're being scum read but if it wasn't, please refer to Sonia's 85.

I'm upset I'm not among the players you like.

Why?

[Alisae]

Sorry, why I think Titus is town? Not scum. Sorry if that confused you Nero.

[Alisae]

Sorry, why I think Titus is town? Not scum. Sorry if that confused you Nero.

@Nero.

As for why I thought you should have read the thread, me thought that you were just ignoring everything else that happened thus I got angry at chu for it. And because me thought you were ignoring thread, me thought if chu read thread then read might have changed.

[Alisae]

No seriously, I don't understand why Titus is townleader at the moment either. Transcend is the one thats doing all of dem things.

[Alisae]

I think only Elbin and Alisae and Titus herself think she's the town leader

This is straight up wrong. Show me all the posts you can find that makes you think that I think Titus is townleader.

[Alisae]

@Alisae: what will you do if Titus flips scum? Your entire game will be flipped upside down. Why in the world would you be so sure of anyone on D1? That's ridiculous.

I know right, it's like I'm setting myself up as a daytwo lynch. We'll cross this bridge if we ever get there. In that case, I'ma go write why I think Titus is town. If I was scum with Titus, I would be fucking our scumteam over at this moment. Why would scum set themselves up this badly and this obviously? It seems like they would lose the game by buddying each other this hard.

BTW, Tywin, day talk is a thing.

Also Tywin, I like how you haven't responded to 459, 628 or 759. Answer each post with 20 words or less so that everyone can understand the arguement you're trying to make. And yes, I will be counting the words for lolz.

[Alisae]

@Alisae: what will you do if Titus flips scum? Your entire game will be flipped upside down. Why in the world would you be so sure of anyone on D1? That's ridiculous.

Actually, asking you this. What will you do if Titus flips town?

[Alisae]

@Tywin

@Alisae: what will you do if Titus flips scum? Your entire game will be flipped upside down. Why in the world would you be so sure of anyone on D1? That's ridiculous.

I know right, it's like I'm setting myself up as a daytwo lynch. We'll cross this bridge if we ever get there. In that case, I'ma go write why I think Titus is town. If I was scum with Titus, I would be fucking our scumteam over at this moment. Why would scum set themselves up this badly and this obviously? It seems like they would lose the game by buddying each other this hard.

BTW, Tywin, day talk is a thing.

Also Tywin, I like how you haven't responded to 459, 628 or 759. Answer each post with 20 words or less so that everyone can understand the arguement you're trying to make. And yes, I will be counting the words for lolz.

[Alisae]

Yes Uzi, I know what WIFOM is. But go-on, I assume you have a point.

[Alisae]

Okay, re-read Titus' ISO. Tl;dr is I'm okay with lynching either of these fucks.
VOTE: Twyin

Why do I think Titus is town?
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think she isn't currently I'm going through her ISO and she could be seen as scummy, except she started interacting with me. And I thought her theories are genuine and stuff. Ya know, I really thought she was doing town things. So I defended my townreads hardly. But now that a lot of people think that Titus is scum, I might as well stop my conf bias and look through her. Turns out, no actual analysis. Besides on Tywin. Only real person I feel like she's gone after. Quite frankly it seems like she wants other people to do things for her in 768

Now why is my vote on Tywin?
I think Tywin and Titus got into a Scum v Scum fight. But right now Tywin is acting anti-town. He quite frankly hasn't responded to any of the posts that I wanted him to respond to. He's just twisting what people are saying and calling them out on that. And Tywin, go keep your ego in check. 429. No one ever catches scum 100% of the time unless they know who scum are because they are scum themselves and they really wanna bus their scummates.

[Alisae]

Again, why hasn't Titus called out Alisae? Any good townie would call out blatant buddying. Titus has not done so. She would only say 'Alisae is 80-90% town but but reasons for not 100%'. It's a way for her to have an out, but it was never real suspicion against Alisae. In my mind, Alisae could just be VI that doesn't know what she's doing. Her inexperience largely leaves me to ignore her over bigger fish like Titus.

I'll answer this. If she flips scum she'll get the town to lynch a townie. Because scum know who town are naturally. I basicly set myself up to be the person she can easily fall back on to be called scum.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah, I know I can't do that AJ. If I was scum, I gotta commit to the buddy. Otherwise I'm just killing myself. And at this point, I see nothing stopping the townies from forming a wagon on me.

[Alisae]

Alisae, if you were town, you'd have had a real conviction instead of a false one to begin with.

It was real, until I decided to go through it again.

@Alisae: Why would any competent scum ever bus each other day 1? That makes no sense. Town mislynch people all on their own. Bussing doesn't have to happen ever in a game, but if it is to be done, it's optimal to do it later on when a big play can make/break the game. I doubt competent scum would truly bus each other D1 except when there is a wagon that won't be stopped and it's convienent to hop on it for town cred. It's a flailing move more than real strategy in that case, kinda like how you're flip flopping with your Titus read after the focus goes to you being scum.

They'd to it because it makes no sense. Whatever strat they decided to pull off, as long as it works it doesn't matter at the end of the day.

i miscliked enter but to follow my post, thats almost like a scumclaim. Tywin has been trying to tell you that titus is scum for like 5-10 pages straight and you tred titus, now you iso her and you kinda agree with Tywin, but you think this is a scum vs scum so you vote for Tywin ? Dont you think thats if you agree titus is scum, its more likely that you were wrong as town pov and that tywin had a legit sr on her than him trying to bus someone on a good positon game wise ? why would mafia try to kill townreads on partners when theres really obvious ml on table

It's not only what Tywin had tried to tell me. It's what Nero tried to tell me, it's what Noz tried to tell me, it's what Lapas is gonna tell me.
Tywin could have a legit scum read. But Tywin is playing badly and needs to clean up his game because he's just warping things to fit his PoV, and I don't like that.

And you want me to vote Titus? Kay.
VOTE: Titus

I'll claim at L-3 or L-2. I see no reason why a wagon is going to start up now.

[Alisae]

Again, why hasn't Titus called out Alisae? Any good townie would call out blatant buddying. Titus has not done so. She would only say 'Alisae is 80-90% town but but reasons for not 100%'. It's a way for her to have an out, but it was never real suspicion against Alisae. In my mind, Alisae could just be VI that doesn't know what she's doing. Her inexperience largely leaves me to ignore her over bigger fish like Titus.

I'll answer this. If she flips scum she'll get the town to lynch a townie. Because scum know who town are naturally. I basicly set myself up to be the person she can easily fall back on to be called scum.

I don't get your point here. 1 for 1 town/scum is great for town. If a lynch on me confirmed scum on someone else, I'd take it, especially on D1. But that's also not what you're saying. You're saying if she's scum, you were town that she liked buddying her. Well you've been doing it blatantly, and now you're flipping the script? Either Titus is town or she is scum, but if she is scum, why would you have ever buddied her so strongly? If town, what does that say about you? You surely wouldn't know she's town unless you were scum. See how this works? Buddying is always bad for town, at least on D1 without hard PR evidence.

I would have buddied her. Not as strongly, but I would have.
If she's town, I think we have a lot more people who you should be asking that to including yourself, because you've been pushing a mislynch this whole game if this is the case. But I'll answer your question anyways. If she's town, then it just says I freaked out over pressure.

[Alisae]

Gamma, you're scummy for ignoring Titus and focusing your entire attention on townies.

No, hes catching up.

[Alisae]

Kyouko, thoughts on Sonia and Uzi?

[Alisae]

Kyuoko:

I read some things that ping and/or worry me a bit but nothing too strong. I think I'm just going to continue to town hunt.

Why town hunt when you could be scum hunting?

[Alisae]

Oh yeah, I know I can't do that AJ. If I was scum, I gotta commit to the buddy. Otherwise I'm just killing myself. And at this point, I see nothing stopping the townies from forming a wagon on me.

You

only suspect townies

of wagoning you?

Why the sudden bow to flip from Twyin to me? Why the sudden 180?

A. Never said only. But I'm acting very scummy, so I wouldn't be surprised if townies hopped on my wagon. This is what I meant by that.
B. I can't handle pressure that's probably very much so scum motivated. Hell, I bet Tywin even knows this.

[Alisae]

Why are you concerned about multiball?

I looked at archived Large Normals because I wanted to know how many mafia I should expect to see in this game. I've never played a game of this size before and didn't want to ask in the thread because that looks like a forced townslip. I noticed there were a lot of multiball games in the recent archive

This seems akward to me. I dunno what about it, just akward and I don't like it.

[Alisae]

Titus who do you see me being paired scum with?

[Alisae]

Actually Tywin, I think I calmed down a bit. Remember when you asked me what I'd do if Titus was lynched today on D2? Ez, it's not that simple.

[Alisae]

Actually Tywin, I think I calmed down a bit. Remember when you asked me what I'd do if Titus was lynched today

and was scum

? Ez, it's not that simple.

Edited.

[Alisae]

Titus who do you see me being paired scum with?

Don't know. Not enough data, but why would you care?

Because I wanna help you scumhunt?

[Alisae]

Titus who do you see me being paired scum with?

Don't know. Not enough data, but why would you care?

Because I wanna help you scumhunt?

That's not helping scumhunt. That's pushing me down a path, which unfortunately is a different theory all together.

Also, why are you voting me if convinced I am hunting?

VOTE: Tywin
Not anymore.

For those that don't understand, I freaked out when I was under the pressure Tywin gave me. And cause I was in that state of mind, I reacted to shit out of desperation. However, Tywin knows I react this way when I'm under a ton of fucking pressure. I think he does anyways. I think his first step to fighting Titus was to pressure me and be like "If she flips scum you're fucked." Tywin knew the buttons to push with me, so he manipulated me and pushed them. But I think he knew that he should start pushing them.
Tywin, you seem so desperate, I'm calling your bluff.

[Alisae]

So, what is your read on me Alisae?

If Tywin flips scum, town. If Tywin flips town, scum.

And Tywin just said he would self-hammer himself. I KNOW Tywin is the kind of person to claim at L-1 instead of self-hammer if he was town. Becuase he knows that is a townie thing to do. He's not trying to prove to us that he's town, he's trying to prove that Titus is scum. And I'm fucking taking his bluff.

[Alisae]

alisea is bascially saying that shes flip flopping because of tywin and that is just lold

I'll fucking confirm this. I am flip floping at the moment. I don't know what the fuck to do. I don't know who the fuck is what. I dunno what's real. I dunno what's fake. I dunno my gender even. What operating system is this toaster even fucking using? Is it fucking Vista? Point is I fucking snapped.
But I am keeping my vote on Tywin. I'm done flipflopping. Unless something else happens, I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
All of these circles, make a square.
All of these circles, make a square.
Just calm down. It's gonna be okay.

[Alisae]

alisea is bascially saying that shes flip flopping because of tywin and that is just lold

I'll fucking confirm this. I am flip floping at the moment. I don't know what the fuck to do. I don't know who the fuck is what. I dunno what's real. I dunno what's fake. I dunno my gender even. What operating system is this toaster even fucking using? Is it fucking Vista? Point is I fucking snapped.
But I am keeping my vote on Tywin. I'm done flipflopping. Unless something else happens, I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
All of these circles, make a square.
All of these circles, make a square.
Just calm down. It's gonna be okay.

Stuff like this doesnt come off as genuine tho

Agreed. It reads desperate.

Because I am.

[Alisae]

Alisea you have no reason to be, thats what we are saying so clam down, you arent responsible of the votes

I just feel so fucked and toyed with and manipulated. At this point I completely forgot about everyone else. I think I just need to take a few minutes to go fucking chill. A warm bath sounds nice. Or a shower. I'ma go do that, and calm down.

It's nice tho that you're both telling me to calm down. I feel like if you two were scum ywall would have wanted to keep me in this panic state. My strongest town reads at the moment.
Thank you. Honestly.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Tywin
I'm not defending bad play. You're trying to misrepresent the things Titus is saying, and when confronted with quotes you are ignoring the fact that you have been misrepresenting her.

@Cloud - you're at least half right b/c Titus is town, but one or both of Tywin and Alisae are scum here. I wanted to stay on Alisae of the two because she was on the Lapsa wagon. Also I think it is not pro-town to park your vote on an inactive slot. There are things happening right now that you could be influencing better if you were voting a relevant wagon.

I don't like post. Like, the way I'm reading it gives off the tone that Kyouko wanted to defend Tywin but can't anymore.

[Alisae]

Alisea you have no reason to be, thats what we are saying so clam down, you arent responsible of the votes

I just feel so fucked and toyed with and manipulated. At this point I completely forgot about everyone else. I think I just need to take a few minutes to go fucking chill. A warm bath sounds nice. Or a shower. I'ma go do that, and calm down.

It's nice tho that you're both telling me to calm down. I feel like if you two were scum ywall would have wanted to keep me in this panic state. My strongest town reads at the moment.
Thank you. Honestly.

So I am telling you to calm down (I wasn't because heightened intensity gets the best reads) and now I am your strongest townread?

Cloud said we and I thought that meant you and him. In which case, he gets my strongest town read.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Tywin
I'm not defending bad play. You're trying to misrepresent the things Titus is saying, and when confronted with quotes you are ignoring the fact that you have been misrepresenting her.

@Cloud - you're at least half right b/c Titus is town, but one or both of Tywin and Alisae are scum here. I wanted to stay on Alisae of the two because she was on the Lapsa wagon. Also I think it is not pro-town to park your vote on an inactive slot. There are things happening right now that you could be influencing better if you were voting a relevant wagon.

I don't like post. Like, the way I'm reading it gives off the tone that Kyouko wanted to defend Tywin but can't anymore.

Nah, total misread of tone.

It's more indignant.

Indignant because he wanted to defend Tywin but couldn't anymore. Like this seems like an attempt to bus if Tywin is scum. I dunno if I'm just reading too far into it though.
I'm feeling a bit more better now. Calmed down and stuff.

[Alisae]

It also seemed like he was attacking me because I was on the Lapsa wagon. Like, I dunno, it just seems to fit into place so well, maybe it's just I dunno how to explain it.

[Alisae]

Also if Kyouko is scum attempting to bus, I think this would be the perfect time for him jump on the wagon.

[Alisae]

I agree with you on rather talking to the SR themselves, but I guess I'm just over analzying your post when you voted then.

[Alisae]

Gonna update reads now. Kyouko I'm not buying

{Cloud} <--- Will not lynch this.
{Trans, Cabd, Elbrin, Me, AJ}
{Nero}
{Sonia, Gamma}
{Nos, Uzi, Titus, Moz} <--- Null/can go either way/need to re-look over and revist.
{Pine} <--- Stale read I am really annoyed with
{SSBM} <--- Something I could very much so be overeacting to and going crazy over.
{Tywin} <--- Where my vote is.

[Alisae]

Let's play catch-up a bit.

Scum don't have daytalk in normal games unless it is either announced by the mod in the setup or there is an encryptor. I think.

out of curiousity, did the mod announce daytalk after this post or just no one read ruleset?

After.

[Alisae]

alisea is bascially saying that shes flip flopping because of tywin and that is just lold

I'll fucking confirm this. I am flip floping at the moment. I don't know what the fuck to do. I don't know who the fuck is what. I dunno what's real. I dunno what's fake. I dunno my gender even. What operating system is this toaster even fucking using? Is it fucking Vista? Point is I fucking snapped.
But I am keeping my vote on Tywin. I'm done flipflopping. Unless something else happens, I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
I'm keeping my vote on tywin.
All of these circles, make a square.
All of these circles, make a square.
Just calm down. It's gonna be okay.

Alisea you have no reason to be, thats what we are saying so clam down, you arent responsible of the votes

I just feel so fucked and toyed with and manipulated. At this point I completely forgot about everyone else. I think I just need to take a few minutes to go fucking chill. A warm bath sounds nice. Or a shower. I'ma go do that, and calm down.

It's nice tho that you're both telling me to calm down. I feel like if you two were scum ywall would have wanted to keep me in this panic state. My strongest town reads at the moment.
Thank you. Honestly.

Look at all this faked frustration

What makes you think it's fake?

[Alisae]

Thanks for saving me the trouble Gamma.

And Yeah Titus, I agree on focusing on someone else, either Kyouko, Lapsa, or me if you really want to. If you want, I can try to show off my case on Kyouko if you would like to hear it. Kyouko seems like he could be town, but if Tywin is scum, I can see him being paired up with Lapsa and Tywin. But let's see what he flips first.
Either way, if you are willing to work with me, I feel like we can get this game solved by day 2 or day 3 assuming that Tywin is scum.

My top scum reads at the moment are Lapsa, Tywin, Kyouko, and Moz.

If Tywin is town, then my theory about Kyouko is off by a long shot.

[Alisae]

Thanks for saving me the trouble Gamma.

And Yeah Titus, I agree on focusing on someone else, either Kyouko, Lapsa, or me if you really want to. If you want, I can try to show off my case on Kyouko if you would like to hear it. Kyouko seems like he could be town, but if Tywin is scum, I can see him being paired up with Lapsa and Tywin. But let's see what he flips first.
Either way, if you are willing to work with me, I feel like we can get this game solved by day 2 or day 3 assuming that Tywin is scum.

My top scum reads at the moment are Lapsa, Tywin, Kyouko, and Moz.

If Tywin is town, then my theory about Kyouko is off by a long shot.

SSM is town. I like the other 3 scumreads.

I really want to think that SSM is town. I really do.
Atleast humor me and AJ on the fact that he needs to be revisited. I'ma start writing my case on him now.

[Alisae]

Also Elbrin, you never answered my question.

[Alisae]

Was part of the reason why you think it was faked was because I started to freak out before people started to vote me, therefore there really was no pressure on me and I just overeacted to Tywin's questioning?
Besides heavy questioning on me, and a small wagon that only got slightly bigger, there wasn't much actual pressure on me from what I remember.

[Alisae]

Titus, for me, I just don't like when Kyouko hopped on the Tywin wagon.
Like, this whole game I feel like he's been chainsawing Lapsa. He's mostly been going after people on the Lapsa wagon. And I don't see why when he's giving Lapsa a nullscum read. It would make sense if he's trying to get towncred from Lapsa, but he thinks Lapsa is nullscum.
And he's not doing that much to stand out, he's sorta just under the radar while appear to be doing town things. I don't like it.

[Alisae]

Titus, for me, I just don't like when Kyouko hopped on the Tywin wagon.
Like, this whole game I feel like he's been chainsawing Lapsa. He's mostly been going after people on the Lapsa wagon. And I don't see why when he's giving Lapsa a nullscum read. It would make sense if he's trying to get towncred from Lapsa, but he thinks Lapsa is nullscum.
And he's not doing that much to stand out, he's sorta just under the radar while appear to be doing town things. I don't like it.

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Spoiler:

@Alisae - I've been trying to figure out if only one or both of you are scum by convincing you to vote each other. Tywin was close to the bottom of my reads list when I last gave it; I'm not in the habit of defending my SRs. I prefer to talk to them until they talk themselves into or out of a corner, and either lynch them or let them go depending on how I feel about them after the discussion.

Town - Titus, Transcend
Townlean - Elbirn, Cabd, Cloud

----D1 Lynch Line----

Townlean - Sonia, Nero Cain
Nulltown - Pine, Nosferatu, mozamis
Nullscum - Gamma, Lapsa, Aj
Scumlean - LUV, Tywin
Scum - Alisae

VOTE: Tywin
I'm not defending bad play. You're trying to misrepresent the things Titus is saying, and when confronted with quotes you are ignoring the fact that you have been misrepresenting her.

@Cloud - you're at least half right b/c Titus is town, but one or both of Tywin and Alisae are scum here. I wanted to stay on Alisae of the two because she was on the Lapsa wagon. Also I think it is not pro-town to park your vote on an inactive slot. There are things happening right now that you could be influencing better if you were voting a relevant wagon.

@Alisae - "Me because of my role pm says so." Serious answer please. If you think that was a serious answer then who's your second-strongest TR?
pedit: jk

@Titus:
Town - Titus, Transcend
Townlean - Elbirn, Cabd, Cloud

----D1 Lynch Line----

Townlean - Sonia, Nero Cain
Nulltown - Pine, Nosferatu, mozamis
Nullscum - Gamma, Lapsa, Aj
Scumlean - LUV, Tywin
Scum - Alisae

I usually don't do these, but I'm assuming you asked me for a good reason. There are 2 townleans above and below my lynch line because some of these are in my no vote zone and others are not. Cabd would be townlean on the bottom side of the line if he wasn't in your list of top TRs.

Lapsa seems to be genuinely evaluating the game, but I feel off about this because of his earlier posts that caused a wagon on him.

Lapsa's earlier posts about masons made him look like lynchbait. This is why Nero, Transcend and I are watching those 5 voters, because scum try to push lynchbait early when it feels like they can get away with it.
Speaking of Lapsa and masons, I don't think he ever answered this and he's here now so

Lapsa, do you really dislike Masons? If so, why?

kk getting back to those Tywin and Alisae reads now that I'm sober.
Leaning Town on Alisae, not as sheepy as I thought, that was just the word I used last night to describe her very early play involving the introductions and all. I think the only sheepy vote she had was on Lapsa After she dropped the catposting things looked a lot better from her.
Tywin the play looks scummy so far, could wagon that if he keeps on the way he is and the right people are voting him, but not right now.

There are scum here in the bold:

Votecount 1.3

Lapsa 5 (

Pine

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Titus

, Alisae,

Elbirn

)

So my vote will stay here until all the bold look town or someone else scums up the thread.

Uhh Lapsa's avatar is a cheetah not a dog

I think he was not being serious about not liking masons.
This is the scum on his wagon
VOTE: Elbirn

867 Is where he references his reads. Notice the nullscum read on Lapsa. And at this point, I've been saying that I thought Lapsa was town. I also recall him not trying to fight my townread on Lapsa. I forgot which post it was, but it was post 860 when he asks what my strongest townreads are. So I feel like he was okay with me reading Lapsa as town at the time, cause he didn't really try to fight me on it. In fact, I don't recall him fighting me on any of my reads like you have been.

Kyouko's even confirming in 500 that he's been paying attention to Lapsa's wagon. While I do agree that scum like to push lynch bait, what is blantanly wrong is I never pushed it.

The only few times when he has been voting anyone that wasn't on the Lapsa wagon was when he hopped on AJ's wagon.
BTW Kyouko, why did you hop on Aj's wagon when you did? I assume it has to do with Transcend?

As for Kyouko currently, I think he's just staying under the radar. He said he wanted to interact with his scumread, but quite frankly he never got the chance to, cause he's gonna die. Atleast, I am assuming he wanted to interact with his scum read on Tywin. Not to mention the only people that are pulling him into question are me and AJ. You seem to think he's town after all. And him hoping onto the wagon when he did seemed perfect for him.

[Alisae]

Thanks for saving me the trouble Gamma.

And Yeah Titus, I agree on focusing on someone else, either Kyouko, Lapsa, or me if you really want to. If you want, I can try to show off my case on Kyouko if you would like to hear it. Kyouko seems like he could be town, but if Tywin is scum, I can see him being paired up with Lapsa and Tywin. But let's see what he flips first.
Either way, if you are willing to work with me, I feel like we can get this game solved by day 2 or day 3 assuming that Tywin is scum.

My top scum reads at the moment are Lapsa, Tywin, Kyouko, and Moz.

If Tywin is town, then my theory about Kyouko is off by a long shot.

SSM is town. I like the other 3 scumreads.

Lapsa is a decent read and I get why you'd think I'm scum I think, but I'm not. Why Moz?

The RVS vote over being juvinlla seemed wierd to me. Like people like Pine and Elbrin just asked me to stop, and they just voted me. Huge difference in reactions. I feel like scum would have wanted to push that.
Also this "lynch all lurkers" mentally is off to me. I know that's a policy lynch, but to me it just seems like a cop out for completely avoiding the situation currently even though she thinks Titus is scum.

Titus, for me, I just don't like when Kyouko hopped on the Tywin wagon.
Like, this whole game I feel like he's been chainsawing Lapsa. He's mostly been going after people on the Lapsa wagon. And I don't see why when he's giving Lapsa a nullscum read. It would make sense if he's trying to get towncred from Lapsa, but he thinks Lapsa is nullscum.
And he's not doing that much to stand out, he's sorta just under the radar while appear to be doing town things. I don't like it.

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@Alisae - I've been trying to figure out if only one or both of you are scum by convincing you to vote each other. Tywin was close to the bottom of my reads list when I last gave it; I'm not in the habit of defending my SRs. I prefer to talk to them until they talk themselves into or out of a corner, and either lynch them or let them go depending on how I feel about them after the discussion.

Town - Titus, Transcend
Townlean - Elbirn, Cabd, Cloud

----D1 Lynch Line----

Townlean - Sonia, Nero Cain
Nulltown - Pine, Nosferatu, mozamis
Nullscum - Gamma, Lapsa, Aj
Scumlean - LUV, Tywin
Scum - Alisae

VOTE: Tywin
I'm not defending bad play. You're trying to misrepresent the things Titus is saying, and when confronted with quotes you are ignoring the fact that you have been misrepresenting her.

@Cloud - you're at least half right b/c Titus is town, but one or both of Tywin and Alisae are scum here. I wanted to stay on Alisae of the two because she was on the Lapsa wagon. Also I think it is not pro-town to park your vote on an inactive slot. There are things happening right now that you could be influencing better if you were voting a relevant wagon.

@Alisae - "Me because of my role pm says so." Serious answer please. If you think that was a serious answer then who's your second-strongest TR?
pedit: jk

@Titus:
Town - Titus, Transcend
Townlean - Elbirn, Cabd, Cloud

----D1 Lynch Line----

Townlean - Sonia, Nero Cain
Nulltown - Pine, Nosferatu, mozamis
Nullscum - Gamma, Lapsa, Aj
Scumlean - LUV, Tywin
Scum - Alisae

I usually don't do these, but I'm assuming you asked me for a good reason. There are 2 townleans above and below my lynch line because some of these are in my no vote zone and others are not. Cabd would be townlean on the bottom side of the line if he wasn't in your list of top TRs.

Lapsa seems to be genuinely evaluating the game, but I feel off about this because of his earlier posts that caused a wagon on him.

Lapsa's earlier posts about masons made him look like lynchbait. This is why Nero, Transcend and I are watching those 5 voters, because scum try to push lynchbait early when it feels like they can get away with it.
Speaking of Lapsa and masons, I don't think he ever answered this and he's here now so

Lapsa, do you really dislike Masons? If so, why?

kk getting back to those Tywin and Alisae reads now that I'm sober.
Leaning Town on Alisae, not as sheepy as I thought, that was just the word I used last night to describe her very early play involving the introductions and all. I think the only sheepy vote she had was on Lapsa After she dropped the catposting things looked a lot better from her.
Tywin the play looks scummy so far, could wagon that if he keeps on the way he is and the right people are voting him, but not right now.

There are scum here in the bold:

Votecount 1.3

Lapsa 5 (

Pine

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Titus

, Alisae,

Elbirn

)

So my vote will stay here until all the bold look town or someone else scums up the thread.

Uhh Lapsa's avatar is a cheetah not a dog

I think he was not being serious about not liking masons.
This is the scum on his wagon
VOTE: Elbirn

867 Is where he references his reads. Notice the nullscum read on Lapsa. And at this point, I've been saying that I thought Lapsa was town. I also recall him not trying to fight my townread on Lapsa. I forgot which post it was, but it was post 860 when he asks what my strongest townreads are. So I feel like he was okay with me reading Lapsa as town at the time, cause he didn't really try to fight me on it. In fact, I don't recall him fighting me on any of my reads like you have been.

Kyouko's even confirming in 500 that he's been paying attention to Lapsa's wagon. While I do agree that scum like to push lynch bait, what is blantanly wrong is I never pushed it.

The only few times when he has been voting anyone that wasn't on the Lapsa wagon was when he hopped on AJ's wagon.
BTW Kyouko, why did you hop on Aj's wagon when you did? I assume it has to do with Transcend?

As for Kyouko currently, I think he's just staying under the radar. He said he wanted to interact with his scumread, but quite frankly he never got the chance to, cause he's gonna die. Atleast, I am assuming he wanted to interact with his scum read on Tywin. Not to mention the only people that are pulling him into question are me and AJ. You seem to think he's town after all. And him hoping onto the wagon when he did seemed perfect for him.

I've tried interacting with Tywin, he's very caught up in Titus right now. See my discussion with you a couple of nights ago when we went to bed at 2 for a better example of what it looks like when I do that.

That's fair and probably what I assumed as well.

[Alisae]

Titus are you asking me what I think about Nero? Cause I think he is most likely town.

[Alisae]

looks like Ali sheeping

I thought they were anti-town at the time so I voted them.

[Alisae]

But the way I'm starting to see Lapsa's play, it's so bad and scummy that its something that no one in their right mind would do. Mostly if anything I see him as an anti-town lynch.

[Alisae]

Ali...you called Lapsa town just a few posts before that?

Before me voting him? Where.

[Alisae]

Aww thanks mew. I liek avi too mew.

But I think Cabd and Pine are town so far mew. That's what I meant by they're both town.

Kitty used counter.

[Alisae]

One hangup I have is her voting Lapsa early by sheeping pine, not sure what the motivation would be there. I feel like that would draw scum's attention to her.

looks like Ali sheeping

I thought they were anti-town at the time so I voted them.

[Alisae]

Also your theory with me being traitor seems inconsistant with that most of the game I've been giving Tywin a scum read and AJ was scum for a long time to me. Remember, I hoped on the AJ wagon too now.

[Alisae]

Wait what? I thought most of the game you'd been giving Tywin a town read based on the 1 completed game you guys have together as town. You sheeped to get on that Aj wagon and let yourself off of it really easily, it was one of the things that pinged me when I was first looking at the buddying/sheeping you've been doing

Nope. My reads has had Tywin as mostly scum this whole time.

[Alisae]

Was part of the reason why you think it was faked was because I started to freak out before people started to vote me, therefore there really was no pressure on me and I just overeacted to Tywin's questioning?
Besides heavy questioning on me, and a small wagon that only got slightly bigger, there wasn't much actual pressure on me from what I remember.

Why are you analyzing yourself it's really offputting

Alisae I demand responses whilst I continue to fail to answer your question

I am unfair

Oh sorry.
I don't know, I genuinely can't give you an answer to that question.

[Alisae]

Traitor Aliasae moves from Lapsa in 1.2 to Elbrin in 1.3.

My bad

Problem: I never moved off of the Lapsa wagon at that point in time.

Although that would be weird if 3/4 of the players on Alisae in RVS were scum unless Lapsa has a really important role in the scumteam

Another question, at that point, what have I done that could have gotten me read as a traitor?

[Alisae]

So Titus, you're basicly saying that you think I could be an SK because I want to be liked by everyone.

Let me ask you this then, is it possible that I could just be really bad at this game? So bad that newb!town Alisae would want to be liked by everyone?
Becuase I am good alignment speaking.

[Alisae]

At that point, nothing, which is why the mafia wouldn't know you're a traitor. A traitor is a member of the mafia who knows the rest of the members of the mafia but whose identity is not known to the rest of the mafia. In other words, the reason you seem to defend my suspects but at the same time are being attacked by them would make sense to me if you knew who the mafia were but they didn't know who you were. That's why I think you're a mafia traitor

When have I defended Tywin? Sure I may have attested to his behavoir, but at the end of the day I still thought he was scum.

When have I defended AJ? I don't recall, so please inform me.