Open 660 - White Flag (Game Over)

[LicketyQuickety]

L-1.

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

Oh damn, I wasn't paying attention to VC again.

[LicketyQuickety]

Transcend/Toto can't be TvT here I don't think

Why not?

[Transcend]

VOTE: Transcend

What happened to me being green

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Chilled, Gamma, Toto is the current Transcend wagon, it takes 6 to lynch, Keyen unvoted a while back.

Can't be TvT because they're individually scummy outside their pushes at each other and they're tunneled onto each other. Both of them, as the 1 scum, are dead after the other dies and flips town I think, but they both would want to get one last mislynch in before that and the other would be the easiest target for a mislynch. Not both scum because they wouldn't tunnel into this so hard D2, I could maybe see them scum together D1 but idk really. Not relevant anymore because of new interactions.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Toto
This is what side I'm on
I got u fam

[Gamma Emerald]

Transcend
KainTepes Cracker* Wyvernite
LicketyQuickety Eric Rasputin

Aubrey

Creature Deimos27 Lethargy (hydra of Clemency* and Deimos27*)

Vedith
Toto

ssbm_Kyouko
ArcAngel9 alban

PsychoticDave

keyenpeydee
chilledtea

Gamma Emerald

Fixed now

My scumpool is chilledtea, Gamma Emerald, Toto and Vedith.

Enjoy

Transcend knows what is to have a lurker scum partner as of Mini 1827.

VOTE: Transcend

Transcend may be scum but this is definitely scum.
VOTE: Creature

[Transcend]

Transcend
KainTepes Cracker* Wyvernite
LicketyQuickety Eric Rasputin

Aubrey

Creature Deimos27 Lethargy (hydra of Clemency* and Deimos27*)

Vedith
Toto

ssbm_Kyouko
ArcAngel9 alban

PsychoticDave

keyenpeydee
chilledtea

Gamma Emerald

Fixed now

My scumpool is chilledtea, Gamma Emerald, Toto and Vedith.

Enjoy

Transcend knows what is to have a lurker scum partner as of Mini 1827.

VOTE: Transcend

Transcend may be scum but this is definitely scum.
VOTE: Creature

In my mini where i destroyed creature when i was mafia, i made a case where he had a bunch of inconsistent votes. That doesn't mean he's town this time, but it doesn't mean he's scum either. He's just an inconsistent player.

[Gamma Emerald]

He's either executing a terrible bus or is trying to flashwagon town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Transcend
KainTepes Cracker* Wyvernite
LicketyQuickety Eric Rasputin

Aubrey

Creature Deimos27 Lethargy (hydra of Clemency* and Deimos27*)

Vedith
Toto

ssbm_Kyouko
ArcAngel9 alban

PsychoticDave

keyenpeydee
chilledtea

Gamma Emerald

Fixed now

My scumpool is chilledtea, Gamma Emerald, Toto and Vedith.

Enjoy

Transcend knows what is to have a lurker scum partner as of Mini 1827.

VOTE: Transcend

Transcend may be scum but this is definitely scum.
VOTE: Creature

In my mini where i destroyed creature when i was mafia, i made a case where he had a bunch of inconsistent votes. That doesn't mean he's town this time, but it doesn't mean he's scum either. He's just an inconsistent player.

Lovely meta read there Transtampanople.

[Transcend]

Do i need to quote my case on him from that game. He literally has similar voting patterns.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah looking at Transcend's play compared to past examples of his townplay (Mini 1841, Open 658), this is not town!Transcend.

meta sucks

QFT.

[Transcend]

Meta to determine alignment is garb.

I'm not determining his alignment from that meta.

I acknowledge he could still be scum.

[Creature]

It doesn't if it's about playstyle.

[LicketyQuickety]

It doesn't if it's about playstyle.

This.

[KainTepes]

transcend cannot be scum i dont think.................... he is INSISTENT ON HIS POSITION AND UNDERSTANDINGS............. IN A WAY DIFFERENT FROM TEH SCUM ACTIONS,,

[Gamma Emerald]

transcend cannot be scum i dont think.................... he is INSISTENT ON HIS POSITION AND UNDERSTANDINGS............. IN A WAY DIFFERENT FROM TEH SCUM ACTIONS,,

You're dead wrong there. I don't see the same conviction I normally see in his town play. I noted he was very votehoppy Day 1, when he's a bit of a tunneler as town.

[KainTepes]

can you show me an example of TRANSVERSAL TEPES targeting tunnels as town??

[KainTepes]

I will like to READ IT and draw CONCLUSIONS.............. kaintepes

[Gamma Emerald]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68953
Example where he is right: me and BK 201.
Although now that I remember it he did change votes quite a bit in that game. His vote changes here feel ineffectual though.

[chilledtea]

UNVOTE : Transcend

VOTE : Creature

Transcend, creature's immediate vote on you after toto's vote seems very much like a quicklynch, his unvote afterwards was because it was an unexplained vote. He had no reasons to vote you and I don't see how he can vote you when you were the leading wagon? Unless you are indeed scum, I would have thought that this was a pretty big thing.

In 4 minutes after toto's vote, creature blank voted you and sent you to L-1. For voting on a leading wagon you are generally more careful as town.

Anyways, one thing I didn't like about toto's 1853 explanation is every recent read of his is supported by recent events such as replacing out, which is a very strange way of reading anyone and works only sometimes. It is not true that replacing out is a town tell, but most of the times they are town.

At this point I trust ssbm and gamma and I have difficulty trusting others. Where is vedith?

ssbm, do you have no opinion on creature?

[Transcend]

Creature and his pred are gut town but i don't think I'd be terribly surprised if his slot flips scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE : Transcend

VOTE : Creature

Transcend, creature's immediate vote on you after toto's vote seems very much like a quicklynch, his unvote afterwards was because it was an unexplained vote. He had no reasons to vote you and I don't see how he can vote you when you were the leading wagon? Unless you are indeed scum, I would have thought that this was a pretty big thing.

In 4 minutes after toto's vote, creature blank voted you and sent you to L-1. For voting on a leading wagon you are generally more careful as town.

Anyways, one thing I didn't like about toto's 1853 explanation is every recent read of his is supported by recent events such as replacing out, which is a very strange way of reading anyone and works only sometimes. It is not true that replacing out is a town tell, but most of the times they are town.

At this point I trust ssbm and gamma and I have difficulty trusting others. Where is vedith?

ssbm, do you have no opinion on creature?

you make some points that are hard to argue with, I will give you that.

[Transcend]

ok so it's either Transcend+LQ or Toto+LQ imo and my best read is on LQ so I'm gonna urge you Transcend to vote LQ for cw purposes. If he flips scum I'll vote Toto tomorrow, and if Toto flips town after that I'm gonna be watching you like a hawk so you'd better NK me at that point if you want to live

This post feels manipulative and forced as fuck.

VOTE: ssbm

[chilledtea]

One more thing I don't like about toto is his opinion of me is still based on "low content" and is very similar to the way he held his opinion fast on dave from an earlier read on day 1.