You know who else has a beard?
The devil.
You know who else has a beard?
I'd never lie*In post 34, Pine wrote:Moar votes for drealmerz gogogo guaranteed scum is never lie
Bad logic. No.In post 43, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:Only scum want to murder.
I don't want to murder because I'm town.
Vote no lynch for a peaceful tomorrow, today!
I missed this before. Since you picked it out, I'll address it. I've come around to an anti-MYLO-NL position because too often I've used it as scum to choose who to bring to endgame. Kill the guy who suspects you, or leave alive the ones who suspect one another, and you can easily pull out a win. In 3-1 MYLO, you essentially need to come to a unanimous agreement, obviating the possibility of a quick hammer.In post 52, nn30 wrote:So, there are corner cases where no lynch is a good idea.
If we're in a MyLo and we have the option of no-lynching without losing the game, we should absolutely no lynch. Scum are forced to kill that night and we get to remove a potential mislynch option from the pool.
This is not that corner case.
OH well spotted. I can choose to let 1SVT go as having made a joke in poor taste, but this blatant cogdis needs rope.nn30 wrote:I could forgive post 50 as being an RVS (which I very clearly think it is).In post 70, Joshz wrote:See? Still not out of RVS. Stop bitching about him voting no lynch, that's not scum indicative it's newbie indicative. Not newbie townie, just newbie. That post you quoted, Pine, is a clear joke, and trying to build a serious argument around it is awful. And you can't make an argument against no lynch in Mylo because sometimes it's a good idea and sometimes it's not, that's a game specific situation, there's no blanket answer.
So real vote: VOTE: pine
That said you basically took my reasoning as the gospel in post 70. Not even a question of my motivations - you just use it to attempt to skewer Pine.
That post is fine. I concur with the sentiment. I generally find RVS to be useless, prone to Town vs Town squabbles.In post 81, Dark Horse wrote:This post sucksIn post 77, gerryoat wrote:Okay so the beginning is basically just a bunch of dumb votes like always. good to know
I kinda wish we hadn't hammered so quickly. The giving up thing was a big warning sign.In post 141, Joshz wrote:I'm already hammered, I'm green. I'm probably going to be remembered as an idiot because that's how communities work. I'm perfectly happy ThinkBig my dude, this site just isn't the right fit for me and I'm sorry for screwing up this games beginning. I'll stick to my other sites. And for the record, I prefer being scum.
@JoshPine wrote:Best advice I can give you is to read some new player's guides and more newbie games. Then play a bit reserved and cautious until you have a handle on the culture here.
If it helps, my first non-Newbie game here went much the same way as this one. I made some cultural missteps, got run up quick, and only a last minute freak-out like yours saved me from being lynched. We went on to win pretty flawlessly. You're not alone.
Failing that, something else you could do is shadow a more experienced player, or even hydra with them. That way, you can know their alignment and genuine reasoning, get guidance, and not make these kinds of mistakes. Assuming you do indeed flip Town and this wasn't just a big appeal to emotion, I'll volunteer for the mentoring position as penance for this mislynch.
Yeah I don't feel pressured. Again, mocking and dismissing is kind of the opposite of giving a shit. Be productive, please. You don't get to do nothing but tunnel bullshit at me. Your non-engagement with literally everything else going on in this thread is kinda scummy.In post 171, Garmr wrote:No the real question is why should a town feel pressured at 1 vote.
Adaptdrealmerz7 wrote:I'm fucking devastated. Seriously. It's fucking bogus. Scum tactics through and through. He sells it well, but I am NOT BUYING IT. If he hadn't self-voted I MAYYYYYYYBE would have MAYYYYYBE dropped it depending on the rest of it, but, nononononono, that is just SCUMMMMMMMMMMM. And if he gets replaced because you guys let him go...omfg...graaahhhhhhhhhhhhh...."ohno they caught me replace me" - it's a fucking free passIn post 181, Pine wrote:
Vote drealmerz
This guy is WAY too disappointed at the dissolution of the Josh wagon. Why so invested in it? He was an easy lynch, looks like disappointed scum.
NOOOOO.
It's gotta be my HS culture. No doubt.
@Who?In post 193, drealmerz7 wrote:what is that like pre-OMGUS cause I was starting to SR you harder?
Well, aside from the fact that the meaning is pretty plain via context, and the fact that you have Google at your fingertips (and Google has a good definition), I'll clarify. Grok is an obscure slang to indicate intuitive understanding. I was suggesting that LUV seems lost and more than a little confused, which in my book suggests he's part of the uninformed majority. There's also a competence connotation that I was trying not to make explicit, out of politeness.In post 215, Dark Horse wrote:Pine what do you mean by "not really grok what's going on in this game"
Join date 2.5 months ago, post count 368. That's about as vulnerable to newbie tells as you get.In post 244, nn30 wrote:So I guess the question is how new is TB?In post 243, Pine wrote:It's more Drealmerz's actions and general impressions than specific things about TB. However, Congratulating the Doc is a classic newbie scumslip though, and congratulating the Vig is an entirely fluent translation of that.
He's been here for over a year and has numerous completed games.
I think that means he's not going to make the 'newb scum slip'
Do you agree?
Not really. Pretty null to me.
Not really. His actions thus far still count, as do those of the people interacting with him. Just because he's getting replaced doesn't change the fact that he was scummy, nor does it change the fact that drealmerz's actions point to him.In post 324, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Im sad to see Think Big replace but it gives a fresh new view on his slot and it may help some of us see the slot differently.
In post 211, Pine wrote:Ugh, this game.
Moving on. I'm inclined to look at the latter part of Josh's wagon to try and identify opportunistic scum smelling blood in the water and going for the kill. Looking at the votes, that suggests to me {Drealmerz, ThinkBig, and LUV}, the 4th, 5th, and 6th votes on him, respectively. The merit of this approach is immediately evident, as Drealmerz scummed right onto the wagon. Regrettably, I spotted that a little too late D1 to save Josh. Fortunately, Vig/SK saw it too and we don't have to spend a lynch on him. That leaves me to look at ThinkBig and LUV. Of the two, LUV seems to not really grok what's going on in this game, and it comes off as a bit unfeigned. I'm inclined to think the sheep onto the Josh wagon was a genuine sheep off of a well-presented (albeit incorrect) case.
That leaves ThinkBig. Drealmerz and TB both went for Josh in rapid succession, elevating that wagon from an early exploration and pressure to L-2. It's hardly a wonder that newbieTown panicked, felt ostracized, and suicided. Taken as a whole, TB's behavior strikes me as opportunistic, as does his daystart congratulating the Vig. He's a bit new too, so it's hardly inconceivable that he just wouldn't know that that sort of thing is a common overcompensating behavior of disappointed scum, on par with betting too big on a bluff in order to cover the fact that you've got nothing. Attack on Flubber in 210 fits with this theory, as it serves to suppress or discredit new perspectives before they appear.
Vote ThinkBig
Or anyone else, really.In post 353, Garmr wrote:So can you summarize your case on penguin I haven't really looked into the player yet.
See, I had this whole speech prepared. About how when scummers these days don't know what someone is referring to, they ask people to repeat themselves instead of looking it up themselves. You ruined that for me.In post 481, Flubbernugget wrote:If we lynch scum both d1 and d2 even if you vouch for my lynch you should also consider what I pointed out on SajIn post 466, Pine wrote:No no, Flubber read is based on a S_S scumflip. Not until then.
Please rephrase in a way that is gramatically decipherable. I've read this three times and have no idea who you're addressing or about what.In post 532, Flubbernugget wrote:You literally just saw a counter to the wagon you started SCREAM into place and that's all you have to say?
I don't really believe in counterwagons anymore. I've seen that kind of logic backfire way more often than be helpful.In post 534, Flubbernugget wrote:You started a wagon on tb/shadow_step
I sprung up really fast as a counterwagon
Why does this not bother you?
I'm not indifferent, just realistic about how mafia is like herding cats. The fact that I also quite like the alternate wagon mitigates my annoyance too.In post 540, Flubbernugget wrote:*sigh*
Won't argue theory in thread. There's plenty of reason to believe shadow step is scum outside of wagons.
But you still seem incredibly indifferent to the fact that a wagon on your scum read is falling apart
Sure there is. He's your scumbuddy.In post 547, Shadow_step wrote:Flubber your whole logic falls flat on it's face because if I was scum I'd have voted you by now. There is lietrally no reason for me not to.