Open 660 - White Flag (Game Over)

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You know what.

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Btw, how townread was my slot?

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Day 1 VC 16

PsychoticDave: Toto, keyenpeydee, chilledtea, alban, LicketyQuickety, ssbm_Kyouko, Aubrey -

LYNCH

Toto: Transcend, PsychoticDave
LicketyQuickety: Gamma Emerald, KainTepes
Deimos27: Vedith

Not voting: Deimos27

With 13 players, it's 7 to lynch!

Maybe we could lynch outside PsychoticDave wagon.

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How town was Gamma?

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Okay

VOTE: Gamma

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My first townread:
alban

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Technically I only need 5 more townreads and I could be wrong in one.

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Okay

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Toto could also go I think.

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Wait, is Vedith doing anything here?

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Okay, so far with one townread and three scumreads, I need to fix that.

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alban/ArcAngel9

vs

Gamma Emerald
Toto
Vedith

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Transcend
KainTepes Cracker* Wyvernite
LicketyQuickety Eric Rasputin
[strikeAubrey[/strike]
Creature Deimos27 Lethargy (hydra of Clemency* and Deimos27*)

Vedith
Toto

ssbm_Kyouko
ArcAngel9 alban

PsychoticDave

keyenpeydee
chilledtea

Gamma Emerald

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Oh nice, suddenly whenever I type it deletes the next letter.

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Transcend
KainTepes Cracker* Wyvernite
LicketyQuickety Eric Rasputin

Aubrey

Creature Deimos27 Lethargy (hydra of Clemency* and Deimos27*)

Vedith
Toto

ssbm_Kyouko
ArcAngel9 alban

PsychoticDave

keyenpeydee
chilledtea

Gamma Emerald

Fixed now

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Actually I don't know what I did.

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I'll re-check kenye and chilled

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Maybe kenye still deserves a green name.

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lol kenye

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Who?

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Okay, my chilledtea townread was actually an accident.

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My scumpool is chilledtea, Gamma Emerald, Toto and Vedith.

Enjoy

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My scumread on Vedith is solid, Gamma is solidifying, Toto is weak.

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Transcend knows what is to have a lurker scum partner as of Mini 1827.

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what does that imply,, CREATURE??

Vedith lurks a lot as scum.

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How town was Gamma?

GAMMA IS SCUM,,

Okay

VOTE: Gamma

Play for yourself genius.

Sorry, but you won't get a townread posting like this.

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Meh, if you keep doubting all my reads, it'll be harder.

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I think that. So many times I've been meta'd wrong.

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They forget the simplest. It's horrible.

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Except when you have to check if that's how someone plays, because it's bad to be lynched because of playstyle.

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Gamma

I thought you were calling Toto town.

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Oh nvm

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Real fine with Vedith.

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Could Gamma get a bit more support?

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Inb4 kenye/Trans comes saying meta sucks.

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lol, I understand the paranoia on Transcend, but Transcend + KainTepes?

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I believe this should be another easy game where I'll have to shout at the town not sheeping my reads from the graveyard.

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I don't get LQ.

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Why is LQ scum?

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What's your opinion on chilledtea?

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VOTE: Transcend

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UNVOTE:

Oh damn, I wasn't paying attention to VC again.

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It doesn't if it's about playstyle.

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Why is it that everyone besides me thinks that him voting me was a scumclaim?

Creature, can you explain why you voted me there?

I wanted reactions, but I forgot there was a wagon on you already.

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chilledtea

Hopefully you don't think scum won't try to act protown all the time.

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I think you misread Deimos with someone else?

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Okay, let's lynch scum then.

VOTE: Vedith

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Meh, I'll see if I can reduce scum's mislynch pool later.

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He looks very different.

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He looks very different.

Looks?

Yeah, his posts. It feels like he's back into lurking rather than engaging.

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I'm unsure about who's third scum, but we only need two anyway.

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Also, I think LQ and ssbm are town. Any problem?

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I need to rethink my townreads, I'm getting a townfeeling of everyone but Vedith and chilledtea.

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Okay, I'll worry to not get nightkilled before I find other scum.

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Is Vedith + chilledtea plausible?

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Vedith is his inactivity, I got more posts in less than 2 days than him the entire game.

chilledtea is gut and PoE (I'm still wrong in someone).

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What do you think about Cracker?

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The week before isn't.

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I expressed my scumreads on Vedith and chilledtea before I saw them expressing their scumread on my slot.

Transcend isn't my top townread.

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I saw your post count.

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Didn't get much because I couldn't keep my vote.

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Because it put Transcend to L-1.

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You'll have to say why this is my scum game, not just say this is my scum game.

Bet you'll find no scum games where I post like this.

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Meanwhile, if you want someone that isn't Vedith or chilledtea lynched, we could discuss about it.

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I didn't read the pages before the one I replaced in, but I already have a feeling on everyone.

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I mean I didn't go through each page, but I ISOed a bit.

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Looking for players whose mindset is "scum is trying to act like town", not "wow his vote doesn't match must be scum"

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I don't care who I vote. I just want to make sure it isn't a mislynch.

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chilledtea and Vedith should go at some point. If the game doesn't end after both are dead, then we'll have to reconsider.

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LQ is a mislynch, and I think ssbm also is.

I am thinking Toto is town, not sure on Gamma.

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I am usually paranoid of Transcend, but I find posts like 1765 towny.

KainTepes I'm not sure if I can sort, thus why I asked for opinions on Cracker.

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LQ feels like someone who posts a bit awkwardly like I do, and then players assume he's scum and scum takes advantage of that.

Because not being god of good posting = scum.

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Anyone could pick a genuine scumhunting post and say it's scum motivated.

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When I play with you, you look like a motivated player, but doesn't post like kuribo, Andrius or players like that.

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This wagon grew too fast. Will be online later.

UNVOTE:

Yeah, it's funny that despite the reason being stupid everyone went to me, the bad is that at least one town is on it.

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When I play with you, you look like a motivated player, but doesn't post like kuribo, Andrius or players like that.

I have not played with any of those players before so you are going to have to be more specific.

I mean they make giant posts with a lot of good explanations and blah blah blah without making anything look weird (by weird I don't mean scummy), and they manage to convince everyone.

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Okay, you'll need more than "I find Creature scummy" to mislynch me. My Transcend vote was already justified.

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Hopefully I won't have to rethink on my townreads.

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Feels like town frustation.

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Yeah, Gamma is most likely town.

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Gamma, LQ, Toto, kenye, maybe ssbm.

Yeah, we're nearly winning this.

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I'm not calling Gamma, LQ, Toto, kenye and ssbm scum.

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Town.

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Toto's newbiness, Gamma's genuine posts and 250 posts.

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VOTE: chilledtea

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Vedith replaced out, so I voted my other scumread.

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Wouldn't discount that.

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Okay lol

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I can't really case chilledtea much other than PoE.

I think her playstyle looks like scum that posts once in blue moon and aims to make a good post. Though, I think that's just chilledtea's playstyle. I don't know how to explain what makes me think chilledtea scum and not something it's her playstyle.

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Yes, but it was like my second game in the site. Yes, chilledtea thought I was scum because she's another player that can't read the "non-perfect".

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Also, I think ssbm looks town-motivated, but she still needs to work harder.

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Meh idk

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Maybe ssbm fits more the "needs more info" category.

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Okay, I'll wait the replacement and maybe see ssbm.

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would be nice to hear from arc

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Is there any ssbm wagon going on?

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VOTE: ssbm

Nah, Transcend unvoted.

First vote here.

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If you're wondering, I was townreading ssbm because of "oh no ill be mislynched again", but I felt he was different compared to Newbie 1752.

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What were Aubrey's stances?

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LQ is the non-perfect town.

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Oh damn, 682 can't suck that much.

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What makes me think LQ is town is the post count, feels like he was really motivated, which is a towntell.

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If I have to reconsider my LQ townread, then I'll have to find another townread. I don't like large scum pools.

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We could also try to lynch scum then settle the townblock later.

I think I'm less likely to be nightkilled now.

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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... layedGames

You can check here. It's not too much, but it's what's happening more frequently right now.

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For some reason I think Vedith's flip will help more.

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I might call ssbm over this set of posts, but I'm wondering if town!ssbm posts like this.

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*call ssbm town

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Hi Alisae

(protip: You don't need to skim all 86 pages)

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Good thing that if ssbm and Vedith are both scum we won't even need to discuss about LQ or chilledtea.

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ssbm_Kyouko or Alisae

Who would you lynch first?

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Alisae has offered to replace Vedith. I will wait until Alisae confirms before making the replacement official.

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I won't defend LQ when he should.

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Waiting Alisae confirm.

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Why Toto?

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ArcAngel9 still town?

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Wiki says pages 18 to 43 are usually useless.

Maybe just look at the latest ten pages and maybe ISO the mod.

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I think you hammered...

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Yeah, it was the hammer.

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Don't lynch: Gamma, Toto, kenye

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ALISAE CREATURE did you really think that was the hammer??

Nah, just pretended it was.

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VOTE: ssbm

Scum aren't outside LQ wagon.

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Also, I think Alisae is town.

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but atleast that's because I'm townreading everybody out the LQ wagon rather than the stupid bussing theory.

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OH FOR FUCK SAKES REALLY?
Guess I better wrap up reading through these 10 pages and post my thoughts before I become tomorrows Policy Lynch.

Alisae would be policy lynched if she hammered LQ and LQ flipped town, so she mentioning about becoming a policy lynch looks town.

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{KainTepes, Transcend, chilledtea, ssbm_Kyouko}

This is my scumpool.

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OH FOR FUCK SAKES REALLY?
Guess I better wrap up reading through these 10 pages and post my thoughts before I become tomorrows Policy Lynch.

Alisae would be policy lynched if she hammered LQ and LQ flipped town, so she mentioning about becoming a policy lynch looks town.

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Okay, might actually consider Toto.

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They're most PoE.

KainTepes could actually be scum trolling all the game.

You're a paranoia read, I yet don't know how to read you properly.

chilledtea is actually a playstyle issue and I don't like sorting players like her.

I only have a case on ssbm. I think she's different from Newbie 1752 and today's still the same.

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idk, he's assuming scum weren't bussing and he seemed pretty ready to lynch Toto rather than making some analysis.

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You win when one mafia goon remains, aka you can go well-bussing at your first scumbuddy.

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Damn, I remembered Vedith was scummy.

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I'll give a chance for Alisae to gamesolve.

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Oh right.

Alisae: *replaces in*
Alisae: *sees largest wagon*
Alisae: *immediatelly hops in*

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Oh lol, Alisae is a boy.

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Did you iso him?

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They could do one epic bussing though. Maybe scum could be townreading LQ and scumreading the other scum.

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Okay, I can get behind Alisae. What's the VC right now?

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VOTE: Alisae

Second vote

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Cracker seemed town, so KainTepes is fine.

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Scum not just need to look town but also have another one of them also look town.

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I think Alisae was hammered already.

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Yeah, there's Transcend, Toto, me, keyenpeydee and chilledtea.

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Alisae, can you tell your last reads if you're town?

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Creature it's 6 to hammer last time I checked.

It's 5 to hammer, there are 9 players alive.

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So were you scum?

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Damn, should've sticked with ssbm.

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What do you think about Transcend?

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Leaning on this:
Transcend

KainTepes
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Toto
ssbm_Kyouko

keyenpeydee

chilledtea

Gamma Emerald

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I think Toto's most likely town from the unstriked.

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I didn't think chilledtea would hammer.

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I hesitated pushing him because last time I fearlynched him it didn't turn out to be well.

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Good thing that if he's scum I don't need to lynch him to win.

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Also, maybe we should take a look at chilledtea.

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Transcend

Why are you townreading chilledtea?

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Oh right, let me check if chilledtea is a busser.

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I think she kind of bussed Kuroi at Mini 1794.

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idk who's scum rn

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Maybe I am townreading Gamma too much?

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Opinions on Gamma?

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Again I misgendered someone -_-

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Kinda wished people could get something out of this fake twilight.

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Maybe I could consider Toto.

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What about the reads Alisae gave during the fake twilight?

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VOTE: chilledtea

I haven't seen much from this slot yet, would like to see more. And before anyone gives me crap about voting someone based on inactivity this early in the game:

Eric is prob town, dave probably town too. Both seem like lynchbaity players. Self-voting is done by extremely good scum players as scum tactic though, so if dave is very experienced at this. Otherwise very common among newb town players.

This is the most substantial thing this slot has done yet.

VOTE: Transcend

Reason: First one to post

Why did you thought you needed to give a reason?

Alright guys, Instead of dragging this out why don't we all come to an agreement on who should we lynch? Getting 7 votes is hard with a 13 player game.

I think there is a lot of time to do it. Why are you hasty?

Well, it is D1 ... Lets just say that every move I make is based on gut ... I really wont have anything to go on unless someone gets lynched

Stealing Trans' words, eh? Good.


Eric is really a mislynch. Cant talk about 'why' or 'how' as it will be discussing about on-going games but know this he's extremely un-helpful town but seems like he is actually trying to do something here.


Dave 's self-vote seemed a bit of 'Reverse-Psych' mixed in it like town will think a scum wont self-vote. He is either a scum who is trying to do mind games or a town who was just frustrated and annoyed with the wagon on him. And i dont think a town will be that frustrated to self-vote.

Not voting him rn . He might be at L-1?

the one post this slot has made and it isn't even a good post. when I see a player that doesn't post very often, I hold them to a higher standard of quality posts and this one is not doing it for me.

I also feel better about chilledtea.

VOTE: Deer

UNVOTE
VOTE : Lethargy

This slot is 100% scum. Aubrey has moved up in my eyes. Currently looking at scum possibilities of lethargy, gamma and transcend, maybe ssbm and toto and cracker.

Cracker and deer haven't done much from what I gather.

Don't like gamma at all and he is my next best guess for scum.

Transcend is doing very little in comparison to his meta. His vote on toto is also unexplained.

Sorry going to catch up later today I have been busy.

Yup, I can go that way.

VOTE: Cracker

I dare you to find enough votes to lynch me.

Well, alright I guess.

VOTE: alban

VOTE: Cracker

I'm ready to lynch this.

*Transcend

Prolly the most lackluster post of this entire game.

VOTE: Transcend

Reason should be obvious at this point.

I suppose I can go that way.

VOTE: Toto

VOTE: KainTepes

VOTE: Toto

We've still got two days, so I'll try this.
VOTE: Aubrey

I'd like to see where this rabbit hole goes.

VOTE: aubrey

VOTE: SSBM

VOTE: Toto

VOTE: Dave

I don't mind this lynch at all. The argument against lynching this spot is that it gives us no info... guess what? He will STILL be in the game if he is not lynched today.

so KAIN TEPES HAS DISCOVERED THE SCUMMY OF THIS GAME using hmy aggressive player experience....................!!!

it is obviously............... GAMMA EMERALD, LIKETYQUICKTY and TOTO,,

why? let me explain what discovered...........

TOT was obviously the SCUM....... as seen by how he kept AVOIDING my questions,, and pretending to be town,, his town pretence was not like a town protection act but was more like a SCUM DEFENSIVE ACT;; and when he was being fake hammered he suddenly said he was TOWN and its like he was BEING COACHED IN A MAFIA PRIVATE TOPIC by his MAFIA BUDDIES gamma and lick;;

and then even though he was so obviously going to be LYNCHED suddenly GAMMA AND LICK DERAILED THE WAGON with an INTENSITY that is very strong,, even though GAMMA IS LURKING BEFORE............ and LICK FOLLOWED HIM, like a mafia member folloiwng a mafia memebr,

And then AFTERWARD GAMMA accused DEIMOS for using WIKIPEDIA even though there is no evidence that wikipedia is linked to SCUMMY and it sounds too much like the lurker just trying to EXPAND MORE CASES on innocent townies and then also accused KYOUKO of speaking for VEDITH,, it is WRONG and i get a very BAD FEELING OF MAFIA from GAMMA...... and now LICK also came in and said nothing.......

so my suggestion is that TODAY we lynch TOTO and then we lynch GAMMA AND LICK tomorrow............ then we WIN,, BUT IF I DIE TONIGHT DONT FALL FOR GAMMAS LIES TOMORROW;;

VOTE: TOTO!!!!!!!!!!VOTE:

I think this is horrible.

VOTE: Tepes

I just read from last VC. This game is insane.

My vote on Tapes isn't going anywhere.

Yeah looking at Transcend's play compared to past examples of his townplay (Mini 1841, Open 658), this is not town!Transcend.

meta sucks

QFT.

VOTE: Transcend

VOTE: Toto

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Out of the living players:
Transcend - Voted thrice
KainTepes - Voted four times
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Alisae - Voted once
Toto - Voted four times
ssbm_Kyouko - Voted once
keyenpeydee
chilledtea - Voted once
Gamma Emerald

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We identify where the bussing is.

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ssbm looks more likely. He was like voted once and the others who were voted once at least seemed justified.

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VOTE: ssbm

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Note that we need to lynch two scum to win, not one, so scum could've bussed.

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What about ssbm?

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You should know we're not sure whether Alisae is scum or not. A town lynch will delay our victory.

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Alisae is probably town.

I think it's Transcend and ssbm_Kyouko by PoE.

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Not necessarily pro-town.

He just acts like AtE and trollish, the problem is that whoever pushes him hard is automatically scum and so we see townies afraid to do it. He also does this as town so it's even worse.

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Okay, do your stupid dreamy wagon, but I'll defend myself with a simple: Meta me (aka compare my towngame, scumgame and here), then I bet I'll go up to conftown.

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Sometimes it's applicable. I'll let you experience it so I don't have to refer to my meta everytime you decide to think I'm scum.

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VOTE: Creature
Yeah, I don't like it.

Maybe you should ask to who knows me better.

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Fun fact: I don't remember ever defending myself with meta as scum.

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Who's my partner then?

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Hmm, saw him posting a lot more before replacing in.

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Who's my partner then?

Better question: why does this matter?

I can't be the only scum left.

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Still if someone's unlikely to be scum with most players out of interactions it's very likely that player is town unless experienced.

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Who's my partner then?

Is this a soft claim because it feels like it.

It's a hypothetical question.

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Was Gamma ever pressured at some point?

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LQ's playstyle is pretty different from mine though.

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How many votes Gamma is at?

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Was Gamma ever pressured at some point?

How many votes Gamma is at?

ok,, why are you suddenly interested in GAMMA,,

I'm thinking about something.

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Meh, I think we should just lynch Gamma and Transcend, at least at some point the game should end in a town win.

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Can we still think about something else? I kind of want to be past the point of being mislynched like this as town.

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I am seeing Gamma in the playerlist.

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My scumpool is Transcend, Gamma Emerald and ssbm_Kyouko. Everybody else is at most paranoia.

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From these, I feel Gamma is the most readable.

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Unreadable is like Transcend, who plays nearly the same as both alignments, or a low-posting analyser (like chilledtea). Readable is the opposite of that, like Alisae.

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It ranges from like innocent child/clear or confirmed scum/guilty (most readable) to someone who hasn't posted anything at all (most unreadable).

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aka I'm most likely to sort you.

VOTE: Gamma

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Oh look, Transcend's there.

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What do you think I've been trying to do with these fake twilights?

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Sortings.

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I tried to see how Alisae and LQ would react to Alisae's false hammer and wanted to see how Alisae would act to chilledtea's false hammer.