Mini 1855: Questionable Content Mafia - Game Over!

[MagnaofIllusion]

I write this only about 20℅ out of self preservation at this point...Since, despite your tunneling...I don't think you have the votes to lynch me rn.

And this very fact is why I think you are scum. It has been impossible to get you even to L-1 without you self-voting. Meanwhile it was trivial to get Spyrex to L-1 on the last few pages. Scum aren’t bussing at this point having already lost one player and being close to MYLO.

My question to you is – why is kraska Town to you? You’ve said jack all about that slot and the fact that you both are working more or less in tandem since Day 2 is a big flashing red warning sign that everyone should be looking at.

I have been begging him for the last couple days to come up with a suspect. To tell me who he thinks is scum... But nothing.
I am getting a stronger and stronger feeling that he is scum here. I don't have a hard argument for it other than just the ABSENCE of Spyrex-town. He has buddied you pretty well (which is not a scumtell in my book, fyi)...So you might be reluctant to pivot on him. But if you would just look over his ISO with a clear head..You might see it.

Here’s a question since this is basically predicated on meta (lack of Spyrex Town) – when was the last time you played with Spyrex Town?

I dare MOI to come at me tomorrow saying that I pivoted into a bus.

Look, more empty chest puffing …

If you were a Vig, and you couldn't shoot ME, who would you shoot?

Kraska 100%. No hesitation. The Miller claim only buys so much grace and her play today looks like scum. It also doesn’t help that you haven’t mentioned her in any significant way since you did what could easily be some soft distancing Day 1. I mean since there was no real pressure there at all it was nice and safe for you to lay those “suspicions” that just happen to have evaporated after Aristo gets lynched.

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i still think spyrex is probably town but his persistent vote on u makes me less and less comfortable calling him town

besides this really looks nothing like pisskop's scumplay.............
anyway magna wagon has stalled out and i have zero fucks to give at this point

VOTE: spyrex this is l-1

By the way this is pure scum. Dunn as Town for me is confirmed by him twigging right to that fact also.

A flash wagon appears on kraska and I will hammer without a second thought.

VOTE: moi
okay
no this is still the best place to vote
today should be a lynch in moi/camn
otherwise tomorrow will be a rerun of today's jamboree

Yup absolutely scum.

[kraska77]

guys you dont have to read any of moi's future posts
i can summarse them all 4 u
" *quotes post*
yup this is scum
so scum"

[MagnaofIllusion]

guys you dont have to read any of moi's future posts
i can summarse them all 4 u
" *quotes post*
yup this is scum
so scum"

Yup I get that you can't actually argue against what I'm saying so resort to this.

Why not add a pointless meme while you are at it?

[SpyreX]

Id swing a last minute kraska wagon before i vote moi

[kraska77]

u want me to tear ur walls to shreds? fine

It also doesn’t help that you haven’t mentioned her in any significant way since you did what could easily be some soft distancing Day 1. I mean since there was no real pressure there at all it was nice and safe for you to lay those “suspicions” that just happen to have evaporated after Aristo gets lynched.

such bullshit
camn is definitely the person ive interacted the most with this game
we've been either going at eachother's necks or bonding the entire game

the rest of your wall is just rehashing the same "look at this quote right here, so scum" line ad nauseam. something uve been doing the ENTIRE DAY

[SpyreX]

Kraska if you think I'm town what really prompted the shift

[MagnaofIllusion]

Id swing a last minute kraska wagon before i vote moi

So Spyrex and I are on board.

Dunn needs to comment on whether he'd join or not.
pisskop needs to comment and make his vote useful at this stage.
LLD needs to comment.

We have a little over a day to get this accomplished.

[MagnaofIllusion]

such bullshit
camn is definitely the person ive interacted the most with this game
we've been either going at eachother's necks or bonding the entire game

the rest of your wall is just rehashing the same "look at this quote right here, so scum" line ad nauseam. something uve been doing the ENTIRE DAY

This is "tearing apart my wall"?

Firstly I was talking about camn interacting with YOU not the other way around. Reading is fundamental!

Secondly you haven't been going at each others throats in any signficant way. Day 1 you made nice little posts claiming suspicion of each other but none of those posts ever occured when there was any pressure on either of you. And those distancing posts disappeared IMMEDIATELY Day 2 after Aristo died. Now camn is pretty much not commenting on you at all and you are doing everything you can to keep her lynch from occuring. Very much looks like partner - partner interactions ... distance early and then after you bussed your other partner (note that Aristo self-hammering makes all the sense if you both were already parked on him) defend defend defend.

And the last part is ironic coming from you ...

VOTE: moi
okay
no this is still the best place to vote
today should be a lynch in moi/camn
otherwise tomorrow will be a rerun of today's jamboree

I think this is scum trying to intimidate people into thinking they're town

Conversely, A red MoI flip will clear you so let's do that instead of do you really think he's town now

Since when has Socrates been voting camn wtf
Dunn what now
Vote MoI with me already. unless you want camn lynched instead?

@dun, Socrates
Vote MoI cmon

I'd rather we lynch MoI today
MoI scum flip guaranteed
But pisskop and the whole scumrobot business, I feel really shaky about

Just a sample of the litany of empty posts and repetition of "MoI is scum" and "Vote MoI" coming from your slot today. And that's 100% Town, right? But if I am pure scum for doing it.

The Cognitive Dissonance is strong with this scum.

[kraska77]

yeah yeah more bullshit
i stopped reading after this V because youre clearly cooking up bullshit here

And those distancing posts disappeared IMMEDIATELY Day 2

the "distancing" (lol) stopped day 1 after i read those camn posts where she said she has a strong emotional reaction to me. i said as much then, i said i felt i was genuinely upsetting her and i said i was going to give her a break. its all there in my iso so dont you dare deny it
and ever since then, camn has been bleeding town so......

[MagnaofIllusion]

yeah yeah more bullshit
i stopped reading after this V because youre clearly cooking up bullshit here

And those distancing posts disappeared IMMEDIATELY Day 2

the "distancing" (lol) stopped day 1 after i read those camn posts where she said she has a strong emotional reaction to me. i said as much then, i said i felt i was genuinely upsetting her and i said i was going to give her a break. its all there in my iso so dont you dare deny it
and ever since then, camn has been bleeding town so......

Again the "I'm just going to call it bullshit so I don't actually have to address any of those other points" handwave. Tek.

And "Oh and that wasn't scum looking for a way to back away from the distancing we did Day 1 with some AtE excuse" is also quite quaint given it doesn't actually refute anything I said.

[kraska77]

"distancing posts disappeared IMMEDIATELY Day 2" now changes to "Oh and that wasn't scum looking for a way to back away from the distancing we did Day 1 with some AtE excuse"

"how quaint"-moi, 2016

it does refute everything you said. youre trying to build a house of cards based on the argument that we didnt interact with eachother and that the "distancing" "suddenly" "disappeared" day 2 after we lost our scumbuddy aristo
its all far from what happened. but do go on by all means

[kraska77]

keyword is "suddenly"
the tunneling didnt just suddenly turn into seafoam.

[Socrates]

MOI, serious question, has scum self-voting in order draw pity ever actually happened -- and WORKED -- on this site in the last few years?

My experience had always been the same. Player gets fed up with tedious arguing that goes nowhere, genuinely gives up, self-votes because they don't want to play anymore.

Everyone else shouts "AtE! AtE! AtE!" and then they proceed to get lynched almost every time. I have to admit that it's been a long time and, if I have seen the self-vote gambit work, I have forgotten it. Even the times I saw it flip scum, they were still genuine about giving up.

I think Camn was genuinely upset. Maybe she's not some 'wilting flower', but this game, more than most, has the power to seriously get under people's skin, especially when you feel like your main antagonist is being not just endlessly contrarian but also snarky and condescending about it at the same time.

The thing is, from my shoes, if Camn was just being being shrewd about how to best survive, all she had to do was talk to me. I think anyone can see I was not all that interested in a Camn lynch, and the only reason I hadn't yet bothered to move my vote off of her wagon was because she was in no danger when I was last online and I am slow about moving my vote around. I think a calm, manipulative Camn would see this and start engaging me directly rather than start flailing on some futile AtE gambit that just makes everyone else go "ha ha! gotem!" and has only drawn a collapsing wagon back onto her.

I think she was genuine about being upset and wanting to quit, so I ask you the following because you seem to have the most experience with her (though to hear her tell it, you're the last person to ask this question): Would Camn be more likely to get frustrated and quit as town or as scum? I've been reconsidering and maybe THIS is the time the scum overestimates my read on them.

(I'm also serious when I say that faking that kind of behavior is straight up bad sportsmanship in the first place and if she demonstrates a consistent pattern of doing this I will be policy voting her in the future.)

PS: The feeling's mutual.

[Socrates]

I had discarded my "premeditated bus" theory about aristo once Nacho flipped town, but I suppose Kraska also threw down a vote on him super-duper early, if I'm remembering.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOI, serious question, has scum self-voting in order draw pity ever actually happened -- and WORKED -- on this site in the last few years?

My experience had always been the same. Player gets fed up with tedious arguing that goes nowhere, genuinely gives up, self-votes because they don't want to play anymore.

Everyone else shouts "AtE! AtE! AtE!" and then they proceed to get lynched almost every time. I have to admit that it's been a long time and, if I have seen the self-vote gambit work, I have forgotten it. Even the times I saw it flip scum, they were still genuine about giving up.

I think Camn was genuinely upset. Maybe she's not some 'wilting flower', but this game, more than most, has the power to seriously get under people's skin, especially when you feel like your main antagonist is being not just endlessly contrarian but also snarky and condescending about it at the same time.

The thing is, from my shoes, if Camn was just being being shrewd about how to best survive, all she had to do was talk to me. I think anyone can see I was not all that interested in a Camn lynch, and the only reason I hadn't yet bothered to move my vote off of her wagon was because she was in no danger when I was last online and I am slow about moving my vote around. I think a calm, manipulative Camn would see this and start engaging me directly rather than start flailing on some futile AtE gambit that just makes everyone else go "ha ha! gotem!" and has only drawn a collapsing wagon back onto her.

I think she was genuine about being upset and wanting to quit, so I ask you the following because you seem to have the most experience with her (though to hear her tell it, you're the last person to ask this question): Would Camn be more likely to get frustrated and quit as town or as scum? I've been reconsidering and maybe THIS is the time the scum overestimates my read on them.

(I'm also serious when I say that faking that kind of behavior is straight up bad sportsmanship in the first place and if she demonstrates a consistent pattern of doing this I will be policy voting her in the future.)

PS: The feeling's mutual.

So on the first part – you are not asking the correct person. I’ve returned to site about 9 months ago. So I can’t tell you what has and hasn’t worked for scum over a few years. My gut says if I combed through Radiant Cowbell’s games I could find a scum game where he self-voted for the AtE. I’ll probably do some looking on that after I finish this reponse.

But about “AtE” getting people lynched – unless you have evidence to the contrary I strongly disagree with this sentiment. Now I'm specifically not talking about self-voting but general AtE but I think it still applies. Since my return I have seen example after example of people AtE ing as scum and getting Town read for it. Quickest example I know off the top of my head is Clumsy in SirCakez’s DC Dual Universe game. Clumsy was the scum in question on Earth 1 who did it. My post-game comment to TellTaleHeart about it was the following …

Subject: Micro 609: DC Dual Universes uPick - Game over!

@Telltale

- remember this game in the future if you ever are tempted to give someone a Town read for AtE. Had you not been hit in the feels Day 1 we might have been able to get Clumsy lynched.

.

As to whether Camn is more likely as scum or Town to self-vote? I can’t really tell you. I don’t know her well enough to have a solid backlog of her games to reference. We’ve already linked the Buffy game where as scum she replaced out . I don’t think it is a stretch to say she wouldn’t self-vote as scum based on that.

[camn]

when was the last time you played with Spyrex Town?

What do you think, Spy... Like..3 times just this year?
My games are in my wiki, Magna.

And Soc is right about how bogus discounting ACTUAL emotion as APPEAL to emotion is.

[camn]

Would Camn be more likely to get frustrated and quit as town or as scum?

It's only the lesser aspect of me that gets that way....and I think it's either alignment. Magna said himself that he didn't understand my behavior in Buffy from a strategic perspective....And my slot went on to easily win that game. I just honestly couldn't take the shit play.

But the

real

me drinks the blood of my enemies.
No quitting.

[Socrates]

@Magna: Without having read your link yet (I will), I'd like to clarify I am specifically talking about self-voting, not just general AtE. That always got special distinction because it was 'playing against your win-con' and made people mad, rather than drew pity (just like it did in this game). I would love to supply a specific example, but I don't have the time (nor energy, to be honest) to start combing through 6+ year old game threads to find one. I did quite a bit of reading of games I wasn't in, and I do have to admit that I don't entirely trust my own memory. That's why I am turning to another player.

Spy's input here would also be appreciated.

Let me look at the game you linked.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In my limited posting, I've already confirmed I want Kraska to swing.

[SpyreX]

It wasnt a hammer. It was calculated.

Lets start the party train

VOTE: kraska

[kraska77]

let me just say that if this actually goes through and i get lynched then this was 100% a case of scum thinking the mislynchee is too vocal and swinging the lynch on a less controversial victim
because whos going after moi when i flip? nobody
but lynching camn is literally a death sentence for moi
just fucking remember this
that camn, to the very last minute, has zero qualms about lynching moi. because thats the most protown thing that could happen today, to resolve the moi/camn bickerings
moi on the other hand has been sneakily shifting gears towards me for a while now

anyway tl;dr is do not fucking lynch camn. even if im somehow clossally wrong about moi and hes flips town, DONT LYNCH CAMN
jesus this game is frustrating

[kraska77]

if moi were really town who scumread camn, he too would have realised that, from his point of view, lynching camn is the most protown thing he can do today
but hes scum

[MagnaofIllusion]

if moi were really town who scumread camn, he too would have realised that, from his point of view, lynching camn is the most protown thing he can do today
but hes scum

I must Lol. Really. Because it's like you are trying to sell that I haven't been struggling to lynch Camn all day and am not still voting her.

I mean ... seriously ... this can't be Town kraska posting this.

[MagnaofIllusion]

anyway tl;dr is do not fucking lynch camn. even if im somehow clossally wrong about moi and hes flips town, DONT LYNCH CAMN
jesus this game is frustrating

Translation - if I get my mislynch and my partner off the hook then don't flip her tomorrow so we can win in MYLO ...

[kraska77]

youve been "struggling to lynch camn" since day start, did i ever deny that
but halfway through the day you began smoothing the way for a mislynch to me, as soon as enough antikraska sentiment was around
and now that you see you have enough support, youre shifting gears

pedit jesus fucking christ
bye