Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[Aubrey]

VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

Hello again SAJ.

Lol,

long time no see gamma

[Aubrey]

KAIN TEPES IN THE HOUSE!!!!!

[Aubrey]

<.<
Dude, I have nightmares from Whitney's Milk Tank kicking my buttocks. How about a scyther?

[Aubrey]

Okay so we have 2 of Johto's main gym leader pokemon as avatars, WHO IS GONNA BE A PIDGEOT, GENGAR, DRAGONAIR or STELIX? and whatever else there was. Gotta complete this before shit gets real.

[Aubrey]

this is a MILTANK;..........

That looks like a Kuriboh to me.

Kuriboh with like a multiply magic card on his ass while steam rolling a poor unfortunate soul.

[Aubrey]

Okay so we have 2 of Johto's main gym leader pokemon as avatars, WHO IS GONNA BE A PIDGEOT, GENGAR, DRAGONAIR or STELIX? and whatever else there was. Gotta complete this before shit gets real.

Pidgeotto
Scyther
Miltank
Gengar
Primeape
Steelix
Piloswine
Dragonair
NERD IT UP!
~GE

I will cry tears of joy if this becomes a thing.

[Aubrey]

Alisae knows what a Kuriboh is, but doesn't know what a Pokemon is? Something smells magikarpy here.

[Aubrey]

On a serious note, Dagger plz be sure to indicate which head is speaking. I know Gamma has been putting GE at the end, but it would be nice if SAJ would do the same. Minimize possible confusion.

[Aubrey]

Alisae knows what a Kuriboh is, but doesn't know what a Pokemon is? Something smells magikarpy here.

Whats a kuriboh?

this is a MILTANK;..........

That looks like a Kuriboh to me.

[Aubrey]

I must say there is a generation gap. I did not understand a single word of what all was being said

You are going to make me feel bad if you are younger than me.

[Aubrey]

#73 doesn't bother me to much. I thought it was rather clever. The self vote is kinda funky, but not really AI. I don't know why town would vote for themselves period, but it has been done before. RVS is a strange disease that tends to bring out the oddest of things. Just look at me. I was a majestic fox, now a bug with swords for arms. Crazy.

[Aubrey]

As for Alisae's play, I think she's being herself for the most part. The self-vote, the attempt to rolefish in 73, and the pretending to not what know Pokémon is only brought unnecessary attention to herself. Something scum don't want.

Seems rather NAI to me.

[Aubrey]

@Hawk, I tend not to think much about RVS. Like the first three pages, I would just take with a grain of salt. Now that we are slowly inching our way out is when I'd start taking things more seriously. What is your mafia experience overall?

BTW if you click preview, you'll see buttons up top. Click the post button and just type the number in-between the tags.

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You're trying to get us out of RVS. Scum feel super uncomfortable in RVS.

Fair enough. Townread Alisae. I may have tried to move us out of RVS fairly quickly as this is my first forum mafia game and I'm a bit excited to play lol.

UNVOTE: Alisae

Ew. Face some resistance and suddenly they are a town read for you?

[Aubrey]

SEE!!! I thought the ones w/o your name was you all along!!!!

Brohug*

[Aubrey]

SEE!!! I thought the ones w/o your name was you all along!!!!

Brohug*

That was my first post though *brohug* anyways lol

~Jin~

Maybe yours, but Gamma has been going ham.

Not really I was reading Alisae town for the most part. The vote and lean were to elicit reactions. I just really wanted to get us out of RVS cause I am pretty excited to play lol

current reads from what I can gleam. If you're null you really haven't said enough for me to glean a read besides gut. /'s are soft leans if anything besides Nul

Alisae - Town
Vert - Town
Aubrey - Town
Mala - Scum
Cdaggers - Null/Scum
Aelin - Null/Town

All others Null

So you push a townread of yours? Not following your thoughts here. I assume these reads of yours are soft, yes?

[Aubrey]

As for Alisae's play, I think she's being herself for the most part. The self-vote, the attempt to rolefish in 73, and the pretending to not what know Pokémon is only brought unnecessary attention to herself. Something scum don't want.

Seems rather NAI to me.

You are quiet keen on defending Alisae's play so far as NAI. Is there a reason?

How is that defending? I didnt agree with the town lean given. Her actions seemed basically nai at the time. Do you disagree?

Wrong. Whoever told you that getting someone out of RVS is a scum-tell is wrong. Scum like to stay in RVS. It distracts the game play and makes it easier to blend in.

I don't fully agree with this. Scum have been known to try and get the game rolling early on in order to look protown as well...

Nothing is wrong with having reads this early as long as they aren't solid and you're willing to change them.

I can agree with this. I'm on the fence with Hawk, but like...why would scum start posting read lists and limit their options? Should a juicy wagon start to form on a town lean that they gave, they would have to do some backpedaling or at least justify a reason to join. Then again, they could just follow someone's reasoning I guess, and throw their soft town lean into the wind. Either way, I think I can give him a

soft

town lean for now. I feel like scum wouldn't be as tempted to give a reads list unless pressured into it.

[Aubrey]

Yeah, Hawk didn't make a lot of sense there pushing his townread. I also don't know what type of reaction he was hoping for. This is why I'm kinda on the fence with him. On the other hand he seems rather talkative, is trying to move the game forward, and the early read list has me kinda like, Eeeh. Hence the rather soft town lean for now.

Dagger hasn't done much yet to have me aliviate my vote.

Kain is probably going to be a pain to place in general based on meta.

[Aubrey]

Wow dudes I don't know this game idk what to think

Getting mixed vibes all around

What happened here? You went from what seemed like somewhat sturdy guy reads to being vexed all around.

[Aubrey]

Gut*
damn phone.

[Aubrey]

Kop that's fair.

But sofar I like how he's pressuring Mala. Seems genuine and a town thing to do.

VOTE: Mala

The bold and colored part of the text was referring to you Hawk. Seems to me she is only voting Mala cause Mala had some issues with her earlier.

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Kop, do you have any scum leans since you're not voting anybody?

UNVOTE: C.Dagger
VOTE: Alisae

:/ Hawk is already voting them, and you know InnocentVillager isn't a big fan of them. Both of ya'll had the same opinion on Hawk.

post 130
post 132

What's your deal with Mala all of a sudden?

[Aubrey]

[Aubrey]

Aubrey I'm not voting C.Daggers I'm voting Mala.

?

[Aubrey]

OHHHH, I see the miscommunication here. Yea, I know/known you're voting Mala. I used "them" when referring to Mala in that post (incorrectly), but with a hydra around, I can see where that could be confusing. Sorry.

[Aubrey]

I scumlean you both. I scumlean Mala harder.

Didn't you just say Hawks pressuring on Mala seemed genuine and a town thing to do though...?

[Aubrey]

No, it is a fair question. One moment she has a scum lean on him. The next minute it seems like she has a town lean on him. Only then for me to learn she has a scum lean on him, and is now following his lead against Mala. . I still don't understand what her stance is against Mala either, other than the fact that they had a lil clash beforehand.

I don't appreciate you calling my questions dumb either. What's your deal against me anyway?

[Aubrey]

I don't know how much I'll be around today. Happy holidays! I expect activity to be down tomorrow and today. I'd like to see more votes being cast, and not just talk.

Mr. LUV... if you had to place a vote, where would it go? My gut isn't pleased by you so far.

[Aubrey]

How can someone just not care about whether or not their posts are clear and understood?

Transcend.

[Aubrey]

IV is not one of these.

~Jin~

Oh? Can you expand on why or how you know this?

[Aubrey]

Seemed like you had played with IV before... Likewise this is my first experience with him, but I was getting Transcend-ish vibes from him. He has that same aloof attitude it seems so far, so I'm waiting to see how he progresses. post 218 is the only one that didn't seem like a Transcend-ish post, but that's just because Transcend doesn't explain his views until after a day or so.

I don't have much of a read on Mala yet. Her not wanting to really participate in RVS isn't that big of a scum tell to me.

[Aubrey]

Thanks KT!

So Kain as scum pushes things that are more NAI like activity and uses a lot of ATE. More than most people think he does. He also uses the "If I was scum, why would I _____?" excuse which is always a scum tell in my book.

As town, he actually pushes things that are scummy. In a town game he just linked, I recall him voting someone for attempting to rolefish and putting pressure on someone for ignoring him and not his answering questions. He also asks questions that seem to move the game forward.

Of course, this is off a 10 minute skim so should probably be taken with a grain of a salt.

Uzi, I can't help think that you're telling

Uzi

KT "Hey, just play your town game and you won't get caught as scum."

If Kain is well known about being able to slip around people as scum, why would Scum Uzi hint to Scum KT to play his town game in order to not get caught? He even mentions this in post 142.

wait what

i misinterpreted your comment completely then

nvm not sure if i agree

??? What did you think she was saying

I AM TOWN,, and i hope you notice the WASHING WATER nature of innocent villager that is why i am VOTING HIM!!!!!!!!

Kain it would be easier if you explained exactly what washing water is and why it makes innocent villager scummy

Pretty sure this is his version of WASHING WATER

thats what made me so sure NINOMASAKI was scum in the KIDS WITH GUNS game i linked. no strong views, she only ever says I THINK X MAY BE TOWN BUT NOT SURE or I THINK Y MAY BE SCUM BUT MAYBE NOT,, very washing water, VERY SUSPICIUOS!!!

[Aubrey]

Ugh, I feel like crap. Gimme a moment to get caught up, and I'll see if I can rack my brain to make something coherent.

[Aubrey]

Hmm, Kain that's a good point, tho I could be thinking that you're vote on inno could be an early attempt at a bus.

But for now my vote goes here I guess
VOTE: Spade_Ace

Wasn't that vote a second RVS vote though?....

You're pushing some things that just make me go. Sometimes.

@Lil The question was more directed at Crystalline Dagger. I did an ISo on him and apart from post 222 most of his posts have been irrelevant. They are either hydra clarifying themselves, about Pokemon, about Transcend or about the 'water washy' thing. I know it is an RVS, Crystalline, but do some kind of scumhunting else it looks as if you are just trying to look involved.

Also his one original post 222, he says 218 of IV made him thing IV was a scum. I actually felt 218 made IV lean more towards town. It seems as if he is trying subtly join the IV wagon.

VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

I agree with the first part of this. that post was the only one of any relevance, and I wasn't exactly found of it either. However, I'm the one who brought up Transcend mostly. With reason.

Listen, Transcend is in a class with some players like Kain Tepes that we called the "WTF zone". They break the mold and are uncontrollable. IV is not one of these.

lol

i promise, i am no transcend

i think i my most recent game he deathtunneled me with zero reasoning and lost us the game -_-

The last game i played with him he soft claimed the lead mafia role, self hammered when he was at L-1, and flipped some type of town PR like watcher or tracker. I wont play another game with him personally.

Transcend's a cool dog. Give him another chance.

What is the relevance of a discussion on a player who is not involved in this game???

Let me explain. Gamma, SAJ, (the hydra heads) and I have all played with that player before together. Transcend is a player who doesn't give a rats ass what people think of his slot, even if he is town. His posts are rather ambiguous, short, lacking explanation

usually

, somewhat trollish, and even disinterested at times. Up until post 222, IV seemed to be playing exactly like how Transcend starts out. Maybe minus 218 a bit.

Anywho, the slot highly reminded me of how Transcend plays, so I wanted to see how that slot would progress before I put to much judgment on it. Then Dagger waltzes up and throws out a vote against him, similar to how town who has not experienced Transcend before and scum would vote him.

:/

Dagger just "

Can't believe a townie would not care about how they present themselves to the town

" even though clearly we have players like Transcend that they have experienced. The move just felt odd coming from them, and I feel as if they should have been more cautious when regarding that slot. That's why I brought it up. I did think,

well maybe they played together before

, but clearly that was not the case once I asked for them to expand on their thoughts.

Listen, Transcend is in a class with some players like Kain Tepes that we called the "WTF zone". They break the mold and are uncontrollable. IV is not one of these.

lol

i promise, i am no transcend

i think i my most recent game he deathtunneled me with zero reasoning and lost us the game -_-

The last game i played with him he soft claimed the lead mafia role, self hammered when he was at L-1, and flipped some type of town PR like watcher or tracker. I wont play another game with him personally.

Transcend's a cool dog. Give him another chance.

What is the relevance of a discussion on a player who is not involved in this game???

None. Is there a problem?

@Lil The question was more directed at Crystalline Dagger. I did an ISo on him and apart from post 222 most of his posts have been irrelevant. They are either hydra clarifying themselves, about Pokemon, about Transcend or about the 'water washy' thing. I know it is an RVS, Crystalline, but do some kind of scumhunting else it looks as if you are just trying to look involved.

Also his one original post 222, he says 218 of IV made him thing IV was a scum. I actually felt 218 made IV lean more towards town. It seems as if he is trying subtly join the IV wagon.

VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

So has your opinion changed towards IV?

I'd like to know this too.

[Aubrey]

Seemed to me he was just voting a slot that hadn't said anything up until that point since we really had nothing to go off of that much.

[Aubrey]

Last I checked KT voted him in post 133. IV doesn't come into the picture until post 135.

[Aubrey]

Also, Aubrey. Am somewhat getting the feel that you are defending me. Why??

I don't recall saying you were town or a possible mislynch in my post. You are however voting a slot that I don't care much for so far, and Alisae (who started your push) hasn't been on my goodie goodie list. She attacked you and Aelin for low content, but left off Dagger. A slot I consider to also have low content.

Kain feels town for that vote honestly.

I think you missed the point.

Something from her perspective I lack, Alisae has been giving out reads, asking people and progressing the game, so a town read

Why can't this be scum flinging attacks left and right and hoping something sticks in order to look pro town?

Aubrey has lots of big walls of texts, which can be used so that scum cannot participate.
Also Aubrey why do you question the Ace wagon?
Scum lean

What in the world?

no, it's still there.
And you're misrepresenting CD's ISO

I don't think so. I think you're blowing it out of proportion a bit.

[Aubrey]

Aubrey why do you think CD is null for me?

I don't think it really matters. Bang I understand. Clearly he isn't here to push. Dagger not so much. Most of your basis is, "

these players aren't pushing the game forward

." So, if you want to push the quieter ones into activity, you don't leave one off your list.

[Aubrey]

Do you scumread Spade Aubrey.

:/

I'm not inclined to vote him right now. Otherwise my vote would be on him.

[Aubrey]

A pixel version of Zoey from Left4dead, hacky Sack'n a zombie head.



one of my favorite games.

[Aubrey]

Shame it is now but a shadow of its former glory.

[Aubrey]

I think English isn't Aelin's first language and she's being misread a bit because of that.

Aubrey reasons?

Well you see, L4d came out in 2008. It has almost been 9 years since, and the game is either full of noobs, over modded crap, or complete assholes who like ruining a game that took you like an hour to find that was half decent. Once that happens, everyone rage quits and you start your search all over again. All good things come to an end I'm afraid.

[Aubrey]

[Aubrey]

On another note.
Aubrey what exactly is your read on Spades and why

I've already addressed this a bit.

[Aubrey]

Hmm. Dig deeper.

[Aubrey]

Also, Aubrey. Am somewhat getting the feel that you are defending me. Why??

I don't recall saying you were town or a possible mislynch in my post. You are however voting a slot that I don't care much for so far, and Alisae (who started your push) hasn't been on my goodie goodie list. She attacked you and Aelin for low content, but left off Dagger. A slot I consider to also have low content.

Do you scumread Spade Aubrey.

I'm not inclined to vote him right now. Otherwise my vote would be on him.

Is it not obvious where I stand with him based on these two posts?

[Aubrey]

lol

Bang, dont take this the wrong way, but if you are reading and commenting as you go, it might be nicer if you don't post until you've reached the end.

Make one long post and just put it in a spoiler tag so it isn't a super wall.

[Aubrey]

Hmm fair enough Aubrey but what do you think of him oppurtunistically pushing someone as soon as he can?
@KainTepes curious why do you play this way?

Why is Dagger's vote not opportunistic? He made the same vote shortly after Spade.

[Aubrey]

Your going to want to use the Spoiler= tag

Spoiler:

aFSADF

Not the spoiler tag

aFSADF

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Made that mistake in one of my games.

[Aubrey]

You're starting to grate on my nerves dude. I've already explained my displeasure with the Dagger slot. Especially regarding that vote.

[Aubrey]

post 327. Here is where I talk about my displeasure regarding that vote from them.

[Aubrey]

I wouldn't mind seeing Mala attack the game again with some fire.

I'm playing reads close to my heart rn. I don't really have a strong scum read though

SHOW US YOUR HEART!

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It would also be nice if those who are not voting would, VOTE SOMEBODY. Kinda pointless to not have a vote somewhere.

I'm turning into KT. Look at those caps.

[Aubrey]

For me, this literally makes Alissae the most opportunistic player in this game. Its almost as if she builds a case, tries a wagon, sees if people are gonna sheep her, and if unsuccesful tries another case. From throwing suspicion on Hawk (but not voting), then Mala (while hanging her stand on Hawk on fence), then IV (coz he "discredited" those asking dumb questions and by that time Mala's wagon started fizzling out), also throwing suspicion on Uzi whether he is hinting to KT, and as soon as Aubrey showed the faulty logic of why Uzi would need to help KT, now suddenly she suspects Spade? For lurking? And so much that she votes him? This is super scummy to me. And if by the time I finish reading pafe 12-18, if I dont find anyone scummier, I am gonna put my vote on Alissae.

[Aubrey]

I was saying contradictory things to see who would push it.
Basicly I was trying to set myself up to be lynch bait.

can you explain what you mean by this PLEASE,, what were you trying to set yourself up as LYNCH BAIT and what were you expecting to see??

if you say contradictory things, EVERYONE is going to push it,, how does that differentiate between town and scum?

See who would push me being lynch bait. Because scum really like to push lynch bait.

Then wouldn't Kop or I have been on your suspect list and pushed by you by now? We were the first two to start pushing against you as I remember. And now Bang of course. I just don't understand where this was implemented exactly.

[Aubrey]

Aubrey what did you mean by that gif you posted earlier?

[Aubrey]

That gif would be more appropriate if that period was a question mark now that I think about it. Whatever. The answer to your question is rather obvious, but if you need a definite answer... how about you address me instead of dodging my comments.

[Aubrey]

:>

Good to hear.

[Aubrey]

Took too much effort in explaining the transcend issue to me. And explaining the 'spoliers' to bang. Might be trying to act like an IC.
@Aubrey other than Alisae who are your scumreads?

.....Took to much effort in explaining a key point regarding why I don't care for Dagger's slot, simply because people thought there was absolutely no reason in me bringing up the Transcend point at first when in fact there was? What?

I don't care for Alisae, Dagger, Mala, or Uzi. Dagger's lack of participation is really starting to get on my nerves as well. I expect a good bit more from hydras. I flip flop with IV, and Aelin.

[Aubrey]

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I don't exactly see how to respond to Kain's post. It just seems like he's giving me information.

I was saying contradictory things to see who would push it.
Basicly I was trying to set myself up to be lynch bait.

can you explain what you mean by this PLEASE,, what were you trying to set yourself up as LYNCH BAIT and what were you expecting to see??

if you say contradictory things, EVERYONE is going to push it,, how does that differentiate between town and scum?

See who would push me being lynch bait. Because scum really like to push lynch bait.

Then wouldn't Kop or I have been on your suspect list and pushed by you by now? We were the first two to start pushing against you as I remember. And now Bang of course. I just don't understand where this was implemented exactly.

My biggest townreads because they seem to genuinely be evaluating hte game? Naaaah. Bang needs mroe time.

My biggest issue here is, you say you did X in order to locate Y. However, I don't recall you acting on the locating of Y after doing X.

[Aubrey]

I like Kop so far. That being said...

VOTE: Spade Ace

Obvious scum.

If Bang reads this thread backwards, I want him autolynched

@Kop, can you explain? Also why is spade an obv scum to you?

I was being sarcastic. Nobody can be obvious scum straight away.

I will get to this properly tomorrow.

When you do, put a vote somewhere. You complained about alisae not putting a vote on someone that they had the slightest scum lean on earlier in the game as I recall. While you've been pushing things, it would be nice to see a vote where your mouth is.

[Aubrey]

You do realize pointing out anything that could resemble a power-role is not wise right?

[Aubrey]

If she indeed is, then is it not better to know now than after she flips dead tmrw.

???

[Aubrey]

Prod dodge.
~GE

[Aubrey]

This is why I don't use meta to use suspicion on a player, the focus alone should be whats said in THIS game, not a game from months ago.

Whatever. Do you have an actual read on us?
~GE

Uninterested town or hiding scum. Chances are you're town just not seeing much to comment on through all the BS this game. I agree with the IV post from your ISO but never leaned him so hard as to vote him.

Would much rather vote Alisae or Aelin right now I think. I like Spade when he's active despite the bad call on saying something about Mala's soft Vigiclaim. I don't like that that happened. I don't fault him tho. I asked him to elaborate cause I didn't think it would be something like that.

Can we get back to Alisae? I'm less mad at CD if they plan to actually post content which they already have that gives me a better feeling about not scum reading that slot.

PEdit: dually noted Jin I just don't have the time to read into people's metas or I would. Plus its kinda fun trying to blind read you guys. Especially since ya'll have to blind read me.

From a previous game, Jin was actually lynch bait at certain points of the game because of his playstyle. However once the game started to unravel, he actually came more into the game and putting points forward to who he thought was scum, he was town in that game. So I'm not scum reading him in his hydra right now because from what I've seen in this game.

Gamma, from what I can remember in the games we played together, he was eccentric in terms of his voting, suspicion, he was generally all over the place. I don't see the same in this game, but obviously he could have altered his game style being in a hydra with Jin.

@CD, have you got any reads right now?

If you don't like using meta as a way to locate suspects, why would you use it as a way to try and clear someone?

VOTE: Kaintepes

Why does he take precedence over Alisae, someone you've seemed to have had issues with most this game?

[Aubrey]

I get the feeling KT is town.

[Aubrey]

Was pretty obvious he was a power role seeing as he was so insistent about not claiming until L1, and being so sure he wouldn't get lynched.

Could be scum fake claiming, but I seriously doubt it. Seems to early for that.

[Aubrey]

oh wait he claimed.
Ok
VOTE: Aelin

can we lynch this please,,

Sure. I stopped caring now.
VOTE: Alisae

ew.

[Aubrey]

I'll tackle all this later tonight or tomorrow when I'm at my computer. I have a good bit to reread and evaluate. Not gonna do this on mobile.

[Aubrey]

Holy shit. We started on page 23 today.

[Aubrey]

on page 30 and I be feeling like...

[Aubrey]

Spending my New Years playing Mafia. What a life.

Spoiler: Part one of a long ass night

last game pissed me off SO MUCH because nobody listened to me, but from that i found out something SPECIAL,,

which is that ONLY SCUM EVER VOTES FOR ME,, because they find me an EASY LYNCH........ see AELIN, remember the VANILLISH game, only SCUM voted for me (the only town who voted for me was the IC who was mentally challenged and got tricked by scum),,

that is why i am SO SURE that it is HAWK and KOP...... vote them with me, AELIN.

I am TOWN and i can prove it

One you can't "prove" your town unless you're claiming PR.

This should have been your first hint he could have been a power role. Yet, you kept pushing. Scum would keep pushing in order to get a claim out of him in order to know which role he is. While Kain's behavior was...off...I feel like some red flags should have been going off for you and alisea here.

I'm not claiming until more town come online,, no point only claiming to SCUM

Again. Big ass hint he could be a power-role. A vanilla claim doesn't mean much of anything.

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I don't fully understand the scum slip talk that occurred in the previous pages between KT, Alisea, or Hawk. I think that was all due to a miscommunication error or something.

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No Kain...That wasn't a slip.
In fact, I am so happy with my vote right now.
You just dropped my biggest scumtell

Because for some reason you thought rolecop.
But you were wrong becuase
A. Backup Rolecop for town exists
B. I just asked you why you thought Hawk was scum

But you dropped my biggest scumtell instead

ALISAE:

1. says i dropped "biggest scumtell"
2. does not explain what it is
3. scumreads me for not explaining why i know Hawk is scum

can we LYNCH THIS PLEASE,,

Yes, Alisaae, please explain what scum tell KT demonstrated.

And KT, you said you wanted to show something at L-1.

I will remember that. You are suddenly behaving very suspiciously and agitated

yeah but mafia rolecop is the only one with a guaranteed investigate tonight. The reason why alisae can SAY IT WITH CONFIDENCE is because she knows that rolecop,, in the scum PT

i'm far from panicked scum..... i just know i can easily prove my role if push comes to shove so i dont care if the scum are trying to push a mislynch on me because they will not succeed

and i'm not sure why you are all playing dumb now about what i'm trying to "SHOW",

isn't it obvious i'm a PR by this point?

Like by now Ya'll should have known, and stopped pushing him...

Also, if KAIN TEPES is a PR then he wouldnt know Hawk's role/alignment anyways as the town rolecop is a backup and isnt active. Shady much KAIN TEPES?

~Jin~

KT is a power-roll with he opinion anybody who votes him is scum cause he is usually lynchbait. He feels like he can prove Hawk is scum the moment he claims he is a power roll because then the town would know his thoughts are town motivated. While it isnt the cleanest of logic, it makes sense if you put yourself in his shoes, and try and think how he would think. Furthermore pushing a claimed power role at this point is just no bueno.

It's okay KT we can live with this.

UNVOTE: KT

VOTE: Alisae

Easy. Sorry KT I read you as Scum because I was reading Mala as Vigi after that breadcrumb. My bad bro.

I can understand

maybe thinking Mala could be a vig

, but I don't understand thinking

Mala WAS absolutely the vig at this point

.

Was pretty obvious he was a power role seeing as he was so insistent about not claiming until L1, and being so sure he wouldn't get lynched.

Could be scum fake claiming, but I seriously doubt it. Seems to early for that.

Woah what's with the shade on KT in that last sentence?

I note the ever so slight possibility of a fake claim, then dismiss the possibility. I don't see the shade here...

Mala almost admitted to it.

???? I dont recall this.

--

F it. I can't get this quote to work properly. In post 707 I don't see why the highlighted makes Hawk so sure she is the vig.

I DONT THINK malakittens was claiming vig in that post.......... seems to be a "if i were vig" thing in response to Spade's role fishing

^^^ This.

I DONT THINK malakittens was claiming vig in that post.......... seems to be a "if i were vig" thing in response to Spade's role fishing

I read it differently than you did. The whole never ever do this again thing made me feel like she was upset that Spade pointed out her WIFOM breadcrumb so she could soft claim Vigi.

Didn't get this feeling...

think malakittens may be town

Eh. I wish she'd get a fire lit under her butt and attack this game with some vigor. Seems to me she is just defending, and watching the game play out mostly.

[Aubrey]

Taking a break, Will finish my recap/catch up in a bit.

[Aubrey]

Ugh. I'm tired and basically skimmed the last bit. I'm not happy with the push on KT at all. Bang. Hawk. Alisea. and Dagger. What's worse ya'll pushed the claimed power role into revealing which power role he is specifically.

It would have been better for us if KT remained an undeclared role. The mafia then would have either had to try and kill him (which would have been blocked more than likely), or waste their investigator's read on him.

By forcing him to claim, it has given the mafia that much more of an edge now.

[Aubrey]

Dude, I don't care anymore. Lynch me. I'm basicly giving up.

Stop doing this. I've seen you pull something similar too many times now.

oh wait he claimed.
Ok
VOTE: Aelin

can we lynch this please,,

Sure. I stopped caring now.
VOTE: Alisae

ew.

I don't like this response. Why didn't you encourage Alisae not to give up here or try to work with him like KT did?

F that. Voting yourself in that situation holds no town benefit what so ever. the rvs self voting bs didn't bother me, but that is just horrible. And then they turn around like

'"omg im not gonna vote myself cause the town actually needs to look at the votes on me"

. gimme. A. Break.

[Aubrey]

Ugh. I'm tired and basically skimmed the last bit. I'm not happy with the push on KT at all. Bang. Hawk. Alisea. and Dagger. What's worse ya'll pushed the claimed power role into revealing which power role he is specifically.

It would have been better for us if KT remained an undeclared role. The mafia then would have either had to try and kill him (which would have been blocked more than likely), or waste their investigator's read on him.

By forcing him to claim, it has given the mafia that much more of an edge now.

Alright, lets be serious here. I posted my thoughts towards KT, i did not vote. I, in no way, put pressure on him to reveal. I simply voiced my concerns and left it alone. Dont lump me in with the voters and those who asked him for his role.

He says he is a power role, but hasn't claimed yet. You note that, and said he is still being shady. You don't have to vote someone in order to pressure them.

5. Because some people are going under the radar in this game like Aubrey

???? I don't see how I've been going under the radar.

I also don't understand what your deal is with me. Every time you poke at me I explain myself. This one however is just kinda out there. I think I need to eventually take a closer at you. I've been kinda putting it off since I think you're a somewhat newer player to the game...and I have a nasty habit of wanting to lynch people who jump me for silly reasons IMO.

I didn't see any breadcrumb from KT, or see any sign of him having a PR at the time I voted, my bad for not having perfect observation skills to see that.

I don't think he started becoming obvious that he was a possible power-role until after you voted him a bit.

[Aubrey]

:/ why y'all town read that I'll never know.

Cause scum would never vote themselves in order to seem like a frustrated townie.

[Aubrey]

......

[Aubrey]

Because I don't agree with your reasoning.

1. Voting yourself if you are town is straight up bad. There is absolutely no town benefit in doing so. I also think it more likely for a townie to just hammer themselves in anger vs. voting themselves before L1.

2. It is a scum tactic to feign anger and vote yourself in the hopes that people see it just like you all are seeing it. This is just a fact. I also have a game that I can provide that will demonstrate this. Hell Gamma (a head of Dagger) can also aggree with this since he replaced into the very scum slot I'm talking about who voted herself (hoping to get rid of the suspicion against her), and then rage quit leaving him to take over when a number of us were not buying into it.

[Aubrey]

<----- is a sarcastic asshole.

<3

xoxoxo.

[Aubrey]

Two slots I'm not that big a fan of about to brawl? Sweet. Getting serious, a no lynch is not a option in my eyes. I'd just about lynch anyone.

[Aubrey]

I was referring to Uzi and CD, Bang. I've mentioned my distaste for both already. Well, I've mentioned less regarding Uzi than Dagger. Most of it still stems from gut, and feeling as if he is just saying enough to slither by without being highly questioned. Not much different than my displeasure of Mala, and her mostly seeming to be just casually watching the game unfold and defend herself when need be.

Hoping for more activity out of them going into Day 2. Same for IV. Wonder how many pages he has to catch up on now...

I'd like to lynch Alesea today. If push came to shove, and I had to lynch someone to avoid a no lynch without thinking twice as of right now, I'd be fine in lynching Aelin, Spade, Mala, IV, CD, or Uzi. Not in any specific order.

[Aubrey]

damn page top.

[Aubrey]

Aubrey do you actually have reads on Alisae or I at all or are you going to just skit around the 2 main wagons all day

Like seriously? I've been hounding Alisae all day. At this point every push you've made against me has been outlandish.

[Aubrey]

[Aubrey]

Two wagons. That are unyielding. Little time. I almost can't stand the antici...

[Aubrey]

[Aubrey]

Unless Aelin reaches L1 before I go to bed, my vote is planted. That'll be in the next half hour to an hour.

[Aubrey]

Why would Hawk leave your wagon to buss his own team-mate when Bang has already shown interest in hammering you should he see you at L1?

[Aubrey]

Bang is not in the US. Normally he responds by the time we get up Hawk (since we are both USA southerners.) As I said I'm fine with lynching either, but Alisae is my preferable lynch. To lynch her, you would have to switch over, and hope Bang does in fact hammer before deadline. I feel like he would make it, but I would be going to sleep with worries.

On the opposite side of the coin, we could lynch Aelin and it would be a done deal. It's up to you. I'll be going to bed in like 15. Make a decision and stick with it.

[Aubrey]

If we are worried about a no lynch the safest option would be to lynch Aelin...

[Aubrey]

You misunderstood me.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: Aelin

[Aubrey]

Mala, Kop, KT and Aelin were still on Alisae at the end of the day. KT is confirmed Vigi and Aelin was Scum. We need to address the possibility of more Scum between Mala and Kop.

IV didn't vote but he also didn't Hammer when Alisae was at L-1 So I don't think he's scum...

Top Scum buser for me is Spade.

^ This is the focal point of what we should be focusing on. Everything else was white noise to me minus how quick the Mala wagon built.

Votecount N°10

Alisae (4):

, Malakittens,

KainTepes

, Kop,

Aelin

Spade_Ace (1):

innocentvillager

Aelin (7):

Alisae

,

Lil Uzi Vert

, bangthemafia, Spade_Ace, Crystalline Dagger, Hawk, Aubrey

Hawk is probably a good town read right now. He is the reason Aelin got lynched in the end. He could have easily kept his vote on Alisea, and Bang would have hammered before time was up more than likely. There is the possibility of a buss there in order to gain great town cred, but that seems slim.

Mala has been the most reserved so far I'd say. I really detest those who hang back and spectate a game more vs. getting down and dirty. She mostly comes alive when pressured. no bueno. I did kinda like her response to the JK claim though.

I don't town read IV, and I don't understand why you do right now. Neutrality doesn't mean anything.

Yay

, he didn't want to lynch Alisea.

Boo

, he didn't attempt to vote Aelin and remained on a vote that wasn't going to go anywhere that day. There is also post 321.

I need to go back and re look at Spade, Kop, and CD. I really don't like CD's play off memory. Does anybody have a reason to townread them?

I got some errands I need to run. I'll be back later.

[Aubrey]

I don't fully understand the issue with Kop.

[Aubrey]

Spoiler: Aelin's mafia tale, the perfect bedtime story

Aelin's General "reads" Regarding the Currently Players.

Kop: Over all liked. Posed some questions to them, but wasn't interested in them that much.

KainTepes - pushed on a few occasions. Interested in “

Does he typically play this way

.” Obviously they are not a pair.

innocentvillager - first vote out the gate. Later mentions that they ping them, but less so than other players.

Crystalline Dagger - Town-read, then pressured due to lack of content and fluff. To the point of calling them a disgrace later. Then reacted kinda defensively IMO when Uzi’s FOS'ed CD. Was also interested in why Aelisea had CD on their scum list in post 937.

Myself - pushed me on a number of silly notions that I had already explained previously.

bangthemafia - Townread

Spade_Ace - Pushed on a number of occasions throughout the day.

Malakittens - town read on a silly reaction test, then pushed on several occasions throughout the day.

Hawk - had a brief back and forth. Seemed she wasn't planning on suspecting them though.

Votes

IV - vote one. VC1
unvote VC2
Alisea - vote two. VC10
Lynched shortly after

---

Above is what I gathered after looking at Aelin's ISO. I've documented her general outlook regarding the players that are still alive. Overall her biggest pushes come down to Mala, Spade, and Alisea. Mala and Spade where her biggest pushes, followed by Alisea more so at the end when both of their necks were on the line. The only people she never really went against were Kop, Bang, and Hawk.

I like to think scum at some point try to create distance between them and their buddies to some degree, or they keep them in a null-ish slot. Kop, Bang, and Hawk do not really receive any bad marks from her, and are town-read by her. Kop is the odd ball since, I don't have anything down with her straight up saying "

I townread you

" but she does mention that she is "

Likeing

" him. If they were scum buddies, I could see her easily saying something along the lines of "

wanting to see more out of them"

, or some kind of lurking comment in order to create some form of distance since he isn't the most active player. Long story short, I feel like these slots are less likely to be partnered with her. If I had to choose one, I'd lean Kop just based on the fact that I feel as if this slot was the most ignored out of the three.

Then we have her big pushes. Mala. Spade. and Alisea. She didn't seem all that interested in Alisea at first. Probably because Alisea was already gaining suspicions from people, so instead she pushed harder in general against Mala and Spade imo. It wasn't until she felt threatened that I think she really began to make harder pushes against Alisea. Looking at Spade and Mala, I doubt she would push both her scum buddies as hard as she did, though possible, but I'd think it more likely that either 1 Scum is in the duo or no scum are in the duo.

All that being said, I find her interactions with IV and CD interesting.

Regarding IV: She says he pings her, and compares her scum lean/reads between Spade and IV twice as I recall. IV is always the less pinged in comparison to Spade, and she doesn't really focus on IV that much. Just enough to show a disliking towards him, but not enough to put a big spot light on him. This is a spot where I wonder if there is a connection. Distance is placed, IV is not at risk of being lynched that day, and that leaves her open to buss him or be somewhat shielded from scrutiny should he flip later on. This isnt the case with Spade who is at some risk of being a lynch-ee, which she has been helping to nurture throughout the day, and seems to want a spot light on him as she keeps bringing up the fact that he hasn't given out all his reads on a few occasions. I also don't know how many times I've seen scum RVS vote one of their buds right out the gate. That point is weak though, but still makes me go "

watch it be a thing

"

As for CD: She kinda pushes against them due to activity/lack of content, and puts down what little content they brought forward. To the point of calling them a disgrace, which I consider a bit harsh. Harsh enough that it makes me wonder if they are both scum, and she knows that they may not take much offense to the attack since it would be considered distancing. Again, this point isn't strong, but it did make me question if it was possible. Moving on, what I find most odd is the fact that she pressured them for activity / lack of content, but kinda got defensive later in a way when Uzi made a read against CD. post 881 is where Aelin gets defensive imo. This is just weird. Uzi just says he has a gut read on CD, but Aelin immediately links the read to be based on activity, and discredits lack of activity being scummy. I don't understand why she would do this if CD were town aligned, since this idea kinda falls in line with her discontent with the slot, and gives her a place to vote later on.

VOTE: CD for now.

[Aubrey]

Game needs to pick up.

[Aubrey]

ZZZzzz.

[Aubrey]

I'm a girl and sorry but I'm not lurking. I'm just a person with a full time job while volunteering as full time EMT in two departments which keeps me busy af

My patience here is slowly but surely reaching an end. While you maybe busy, you did in fact sign up for this game knowing the time that it takes to play it. You're barely explaining yourself or your reads, nor are you really pushing anybody beyond saying "

x maybe scum for sounding off

". The same is applicable to IV pretty much.

You say IV is prob scum, but keep your vote on Bang. Why? Why is he scummier to you than IV?

[Aubrey]

That sounded a little cold actually, now that I've re-read it... I'd never expect this game to take priority over your job, or even hinder you and your job, but you did sign up for a game that requires some sort of free time to play it. Either you need to find some time to actually sit down and put your best foot forward, or consider the other option.

[Aubrey]

yeah and you look at games and I really don't explain much. I use tools towards endgame that makes me a huge threat, but half the time i'm lynched prior to it because of everyting you just said in 1095.

Great...Now answer my question.

[Aubrey]

I am fine lynching Mala or IV. Mala coz she is the most duspicious as of now. IV coz he is not doing anything that helps the town. There is not enough content from both of them.

I also feel a scum could lie between a Spade and CD. But I have played with both and they could both be of great value as citizens. So I dont want to lose a town!CD or a town!spade. But if it comes to a wagon, I will vote for any of them.

About Kop, I just don't know what the case is, KT. I understand Kop was after you, then u claimed, then he unvoted. What about that? I can very well see a town!Kop also doing that. So why dont you walk me through Kop's case?

Also, can we hav the latest vote count?

He hasn't got a case, what you have already said, that's the case. He likes to rehash the same phrase, reword it, twist it and put it back out there. I'm just awaiting for it too be put in capitals.

If I were to be a KT translator, I think his main issue with you is that he thinks you are pushing easy lynches mixed with the fact that you only appear every so often.

[Aubrey]

"

I don't think you're scummy, but I'm going to waste my vote on you

"

"

I'm not doing anything to help the town nor am I saying much, so obviously you shouldn't think I'm scum. How dare you suspect me

"

-IV

[Aubrey]

Spade seriously needs a prod. 5 days is a bit much.

[Aubrey]

I think you're doing fine MM.

--

This week really hasn't been that progressive in my opinion. We've all thrown out some reads, but with 5 days to go, we now need to start coming together and forming some wagons in order to progress. Activity across the board also needs to be bumped up a hair.

--

Bang and Spade both need to put a vote somewhere. By now ya'll should have a someone to put a vote on for some reason.

--

I don't think Kop or Bang are viable lynches as of right now.

Especially Bang. One of the people voting Bang doesn't even think the slot is scummy. The other barely has a case other than, "

one comment felt off.

"

[Aubrey]

I'll catch up after work tonight. Got some unfortunate news, and just haven't been feeling great.

[Aubrey]

"

I don't think you're scummy, but I'm going to waste my vote on you

"

"

I'm not doing anything to help the town nor am I saying much, so obviously you shouldn't think I'm scum. How dare you suspect me

"

-IV

this is a misrep

I'm not saying this slot is scum by any means, nor that I'm extremely suspicious of bang, but this is more likely to come from scum mindset than town mindset so I'm fine with this vote for now.

The last clause means that I think it's scummy. If something is more likely to come from scum mindset than town then that is scummy no matter what.

I said I'm not *extremely* suspicious of bang. I said "I'm not saying this slot is scum", which doesn't mean I think they're null or town, it just means I'm not saying the slot is for sure scum. I may have worded it unnecessarily weirdly, but the point should be clear.

Apologies, let me retry.

"

I don't think you're scummy, but I think you're scummy, but by no way am I certain you're scum cause you could possibly flip town, so I'm going to vote you cause you're attacking me for not doing much

" - IV

:/

With any read there should be some doubt no matter what, unless of course a cop has a read or you're scum. I just don't see the point of stressing uncertainty like you did. There's being uncertain, and then there is stressing uncertainty. Then you attack him for pushing you, because

scum attack low activity players

. While I don't disagree with you here, you also can't argue against it being a scum tactic to hang back either like you have done so.

Between that, what I said before, and the "

omg alisea's wagon is shit

" when I found their play to reek of over zealous scum, but were town-read by you for some unknown reason, just puts a bad taste in my mouth.

--

I'm fine with voting IV, but i'm shocked that CD hasn't really been pushed more today even though multiple people have voiced concerns regarding the slot. I assume it is because one head is VLA, but just cause one head goes into a VLA doesn't mean the other shouldn't at least pop in. 4 days.

[Aubrey]

Whilst many might not scum read CD, I just feel with his general game plan, I am not getting vibes that make me feel confident that he is town, and could just be coasting along because there is very little suspicion thrown his way.

^^^^

[Aubrey]

VOTE: IV

L1

[Aubrey]

ZZZzzz

[Aubrey]

kepes tain

[Aubrey]

KT, don't shoot tonight. Unless of course we lynch scum today, then make your own call. 2 more innocent deaths, with 2 scum still alive, is game over. I wonder if CD is going to join us

[Aubrey]

6 players. 2 scum.

4 town. 2 scum.

Mislynch. 3 town. 2 scum. Scum kill and then its 2v2. game over. You're right. Ignore me and my stupidity.

[Aubrey]

Do you think you've been more proactive than him?

[Aubrey]

I’d actually like some in depth reads from CD’s slot.

At a glance, CD felt good about myself, Spade, and Mala early on (Gamma Post). Pushed KT after he crumbed his role. Later Jin gut read Alisea against the grain, and voted Aelin even though they didn't think they were very scummy beyond choppy posting. Day two rolls around, and they stuck a vote on Mala for unknown reasons, other than gut that I can presume and feeling as if a post felt fake.

What is bothering me is that I'm not seeing a lot of reasons for why they are thinking X. Most are simple reads. Or they are following people that are already getting voted without actually taking initiative in finding scum first. aka: following where they smell blood. IV was already getting voted when they voted them, 4th vote. They entered the KT attack after KT was already under attack. 5th vote on Aelin after KT claimed, and it was clear IV wasn't going to get lynched. Could have joined the counter wagon against Alisea who was also at 5 votes, but this could be scum trying to gain town cred by killing a bud. Not to mention I think this was at a time that the lynch could have gone either way between the two wagons, and Alein put Alissea at L1 shortly after. This is actually a good place to be as scum regarding CD. You don't dirty your hands with a possible town lynch, or you possibly look good if you are on your scum buddies lynch at the end of the day. moving on, they were the first to vote Mala D2, but for a post they felt was fake, which I think is easy to blame someone on. Wasn't Mala also kinda under attack already from the town previously, or had some shifty eyes looking at her slot already? Afterwards they stay quite through the rest of the day phase as IV and Mala are up for the lynch.

There is also my post from yesterday regarding CD's slot

VOTE: CD

[Aubrey]

Since we are getting down to the wire, maybe our Backup-Role-Cop should claim now?

[Aubrey]

Hawk, you known you can go to the Tic for Tac wiki and learn how that works. Here is what the backup Role Cop should have received.

--

Town Backup Role Cop
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Backup Role Cop.
Abilities:
In the event the Mafia Role Cop dies, you will gain its power and be able to investigate a player at night to discover their role. Vanilla Townies are Mafia Goons both investigate as "Vanilla".
Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

--

I also don't see much point in the BRC remaining hidden any longer. It would help us in narrowing down suspects today. (Currently) 5 unknown. 1 Confirmed Town. After claim. 4 unknown. 2 confirmed town. If a scum does fake claim alongside the BRC claim, then we just have to decide between the two slots, and KT has to take appropriate measures post flip.

[Aubrey]

Know*

[Aubrey]

UNVOTE:

Lynch one, Kill the other if we lynch incorrectly.

VOTE: Spade

[Aubrey]

:/

As far as I'm concerned, we are guaranteed a scum kill either today or through KT's shot. It doesn't really matter who is killed. The only difference is if we correctly lynch scum, there is a chance KT can end this with a correct shot since he won't have to shoot whoever is lying. If not, we end this at 2 v 1.

[Aubrey]

@aubrey you better speak up now. Who do you think is scum?? You have been speaking just the 'enough' amount the whole game. Neither too much or too less.

I've been vocal and aggressive all game. This speaking

just enough

is applicable to you, CD, and maybe even Kop in some regards rather than myself. Furthermore, I've already given you my views regarding CD's slot, so why in the world are you asking me who I think is scum? Especially with you and Kop claiming against each other. We are guaranteed a scum kill today between you two, leaving CD as the remainder. I'd be somewhat shocked if Hawk were scum.

[Aubrey]

Yeah that makes sense.

But I can't help but feel this is a setup. You asked for the BRC to claim (yes the logic made sense at that time), I claimed, kop counter claimed and then you voted against me. How come you didn't vote against Kop.? I know you said it doesn't matter either way for you but why didn't you wait?

If I'm not all that concerned with which of you gets lynched, then why should I wait?

Also the fact that both I and Kop wanting CD shot at night makes me wary of CD actually being scum.

Or you're just trying to town up your partners slot, while trying to fling some dirt anywhere you can.

[Aubrey]

Between the two I think Spade more likely to flip scum than Kop, but yes I suppose.

[Aubrey]

Tick tock tick tock. My patience for today is growing thin.

Those who want to vote Kop, put your vote where your mouth is. KT either lynch Spade or vote Kop.

[Aubrey]

[Aubrey]

I don't post hammer time any time.

[Aubrey]

Kop. It's Hawk.

VOTE: Hawk

--

I'll deal with this when i'm not at work.

[Aubrey]

I can't believe I trusted you this whole way Aubrey. I even had you like 100% town yesterday with me and KT. I was sold it was CD... ugh so blind.

Tell me about it. I thought it was CD too.

[Aubrey]

You fucking pocketed me with all that help a newbie out stuff

Me telling you about spoiler tags and a wiki (that you seriously should have already known about since you had to read it to fully understand the set up and roles beyond what little info LlamaFluff gives in the signup queue) isn't pocketing, as much as it is a player who has played a few games on this site trying to be educational to a newer player on this site. Furthermore those actions are NAI. You said you had experience with mafia before, just not on this site, did you not? So you should have known those actions were NAI.

Why would I flip on Aelin d1 if I was scum? I could have just waited and had faith in Bang. What greater purpose does flipping to setup a hammer my own mafia serve me?

Seems to have served you well since you have been one of the most town-read players this game since.

I gave you so many town points for hammering Aelin. I was like No way Aubrey Hammers there as mafia right. Wrong fuck.

So it holds no scum purpose for you to turn the tide against scum at the tail end of D1, but obviously it holds scum purpose for me to hammer scum at the end of D1. Okay.

He (Gamma) even called you scummy!!

If memory serves, he scum-read me for voting against Spade with Kop cause he disliked Kop over Spade via post 1198.

[Aubrey]

I stayed on Aelin all of d1. I drew attention to her coasting rather aggressively. And I tried to keep pressure there. I don't think all of that leads to me bussing my scum partner d1 when Alisae was drawn up as such a perfectly good mislynch.

Cause scum have never pushed aggressively against their scum buddies in order to clear themselves once their bud flips

. Not much different than Aelin poking Spade every once in awhile.

Regarding your other argument, You flipped onto Aelin and shortly afterwards kept on and on about how you were less sold on them, and were scum reading Alisea harder and harder.

post 955
post 960
post 966
post 967
post 974
post 975

Seems to me you hopped onto your buddies wagon upon Alisea's suggestion, knowing someone else would have to hammer and would give you great town credit should the lynch occur, all-the-while hoping someone would persuade you to revote Alisea (which would have made them look bad should Aelin flipped later on) and would have saved your bud from being lynched since a good number of us were not satisfied with Alisea's play. You had it good either way.

[Aubrey]

I believe I also said there was the small chance you did it to earn incredible town credit, but I didn't think it was likely. Clearly, I was wrong.

[Aubrey]

cough cough.

[Aubrey]

Hawk is probably a good town read right now. He is the reason Aelin got lynched in the end. He could have easily kept his vote on Alisea, and Bang would have hammered before time was up more than likely. There is the possibility of a buss there in order to gain great town cred, but that seems slim.

[Aubrey]

You argue to kop saying it more likely for scum to hammer and reap the rewards.
I argue to Kop saying it better for scum to single handedly manipulate the wagon onto their scum buddy to reap the rewards while setting up a trap should anyone convince you to change your vote.

How many rounds are you wanting to go on about this? Cause that this point we are beginning to say the same thing over and over.

both Spade and Aelin threw small amounts of shade your way something about going under the radar.

You mean those outlandish and pathetic jabs that were made at me for no reason that could cause suspicion onto me once they flipped, that you are now capitalizing on?

[Aubrey]

Spade was getting heat D1, and it makes sense for scum to put distance between him so they can vote him later on. Especially since clearly a possibility is shown for him to flip throughout the day or later. I never faced any sort of real heat D1, so what purpose is there for scum-Aelin to put distance between scum-me when it doesn't seem likely for me to flip anytime soon? There is little reward in doing this.

Now, look at how bad she is poking me throughout the day. "

Aubrey why do you think this!!!???

" (usually regarding Spade). "

SPADE? SPADE? THOUGHTS ON SPADE? SPADE? omg, YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING MEEEEE! SPADE?

" (cause the questions were already answered ). It's such crap, and was probably intended to tie me to Spade should he flip. Was Spade my primary interest day 1? No. Other people were doing stupid shit, not caring, or actively lurking that i was scum reading and held my attention. At the time I thought Spade was having trouble in keeping up with the game in general, and was drowning in the content by consistently having to give in depth reads every time he turned around by everyone's demands. Doesn't help Alisea was on him either, a slot I seriously didn't care for. Spade was pretty much in the middle of my strong scum and strong town reads. The main issue with him was when he pointed out Mala's supposed crumbs.

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I don't understand why you included some of those quotes Hawk. The guy flipping his hair was not game related, but was a reaction towards Lil Uzi liking my previous avatar over Alisea's. The L4D comment was me just being a cute dick in general. And me telling Bang to get fully caught up, then post, is irrelevant. I hate when people are getting caught up and post as they go. Just read everything THEN comment.

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Lastly. Read right to left.



Damn right I'm cuter than her.

[Aubrey]

Trying to tie someone to one of their scum buddies doesn't take that much brain power, and only assumes people are gullible enough to fall for it. I have no clue what you're talking about having to mislynch in order to throw shade onto Spade to get Spade lynched. If memory serves, a number of people didn't care for him D1 or even later on based on his plays alone.

I bet most people didn't scum-read you because of how insistent he was on you and how town you looked in comparison to the misLynches setup (Ali, Mala, IV, CD) and the two scum's that got any attention (Aelin and Spade)

I don't recall anybody saying, "

OH! Aelin was scum & kept poking Aubrey who hammered. That means he must be town!

" I'd like to think I was town-read for actually caring, and aggressively pushing people who I thought might stand a chance at being scum.

Furthermore you were read just as townie as I was in comparison to the "

mislynches that were set up.

" All names that you also scum read at some point, and half of which were shot by our vig and not lynched.

[Aubrey]

My bad Aubrey. I'll try and get the pronouns right.

No offense taken. Just gives me an excuse to post that iconic scene. Doesn't help I have a Devil Wears Prada avi I suppose either.

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Kop, do you have any questions or anything? Or are you just enjoying this cat fight.

[Aubrey]

Oh.

By the by. Should this game continue into next week. I will not around all that much Tuesday or Wednesday. Going on a mini trip. I maybe able to pop in quickly at night, but no guarantees. I will not publicize a VLA.

[Aubrey]

Well, I think we're reaching a standstill until you bring your thoughts into the fold. I'll be out of commission for two days mostly, (Work related-ish. Sorry.), so it would be best if you can tell us what you're thinking by today or tomorrow so that we well have plenty of time to discuss leisurely.

[Aubrey]

I see, we won't be getting your thoughts tonight more than likely. I'll try and check in at some point on my trip. :l

[Aubrey]

You're dead love.

[Aubrey]

One thing I hadn't considered but just thought of. Aubrey called for BRC to out himself and didn't even question to vote you instead of Spade off the counterclaim. He says it's because it didn't matter which way the went and he's right. But why do I surrender so effortlessly for Spade to be bussed. Aubrey it's fine. He's played flawlessly and his heavily town read by all of us me included. Meaning bussing Spade gives us this final 3. In some world where we manage to lynch you it's me Aubrey and CD and we lost days ago cause I would have voted CD and Aubrey knew that. It was win win for him. This is the only spot where it's good for him. But now reverse it. This situation is the worst for me. But I relent and even hammer Spade. Wouldn't I have wanted Aubrey Me CD and not You Me and Aubrey?? Like this is the worst situation for me.

It's the only thing I have left. If I was that confident about my townread shouldn't I have leaned one more time towards a mislynch than a bus. Same for Aubrey I think she plays it this way because it's almost impossible to touch her and lynching you was harder than ly ching Spade. Like if CD buys Aubreys plan we lynch before KT even comes back.

This is a tad silly. We were the most town-read this game. Almost unquestionably town-read, the both of us, so how are you in the worse position here? Furthermore, you use the "

If I were scum I would have brought X, Y, and Z into the finale because X and Y would have likely gone after Z

." Problem is Both X and Y is you and I, while Z being CD. That scenario is applicable to the both of us, and not just you.

[Aubrey]

Immaculate clean play. Perfect play. Specially groomed for this.

What happened to alllll that dirt a few days ago you kept attacking me with? You're blowing this out of proportion, in order to look like a victim.

[Aubrey]

With only a few days left, you're going to need to pick up the pace Kop. Are u any closer to a conclusion, or do you have any more questions?

[Aubrey]

writing this real quickly before I head off to work.

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I don't care to engage in a broken record battle Hawk. At a quick glance, everything in your post above is just a recap of your attacks against me without regarding any of my own attacks, defenses, or posed questions. You're now coming off as a info commercial that is trying to get stuck in the back of the minds of the target audience.

Aubrey I can draw this up 100 different ways but I don't see a way to convince Kop that you are scum. I also don't see you making very many proactive plays to paint me as scum simple reversal of my claims and small points at my fairly sloppy town play.

And you think I can convince Kop you're scum? Please. I'm hoping that he votes you just as much as you're hoping he votes me at this point. I can't convince him of anything really. Especially since I have no idea where his mind state is.

I've been fairly proactive against you, I'm just not repeating myself all that much. You attacked me, and I defended and attacked you. That's how it works when you are the second one to argue back. Also I've mostly been waiting for Kop to come in. There isn't much point in engaging heavily with you since all your going to do is flip anything I say to make yourself look better, or in this case basically ignore anything I say and repeat yourself. That being said since Kop won't come in and engage with us much, all I can do is engage with you.

Aubrey between the two of us was more favored I believe coming into this f3.

LOL just switch out my name for your name, and this will be exactly what I thought when I came on the first day and saw you for what you really were.

SCUM!HAWK WOULD HAVE BROUGHT CD INTO THIS FINAL 3 INSTEAD OF KOP EVERYTIME.

I've already mentioned this, but just so it is clear.

AND SCUM!AUBREY WOULD HAVE BROUGHT CD INTO THIS FINAL 3 INSTEAD OF KOP EVERY TIME. PLEASE REFER BACK TO MY EQUATION.

Also as an a side. I have had a very rough weekend. And it may be affecting my game play so I'm sorry if at any point I sound or look funny. I had a really bad scare with a close family member of mine so I may not be in the best state of mind to take this f3 slowly with a lot of analysis and a fine tooth comb.

I do hope everything is stable now, and things get to looking better. You maybe scum, but I think you're a cool guy.

[Aubrey]

Who are you thinking about voting? You're keeping it rather ambiguous. It seems to me your mind is made up, but your just scared to make the final call.

[Aubrey]

Well that's disappointing to read.

[Aubrey]

I didn't care all that much, as you said. We were guaranteed a scum kill, and I had what I felt at the time were strong reads. I felt certain CD was scum (go back and reread my arguments against him), and knew one of you or spade were scum. I was pretty much set in my thoughts. I went for Spade because he was the first to get voted (by you), and I felt as if he had a better chance at flipping scum as I mentioned later when I was asked/implored to vote you by Hawk. The only issue I had with you were your short bursts of activity, and that isn't exactly scummy.

[Aubrey]

im getting rather burnt out Kop. I've made my case and appeals. I don't really feel like plucking Hawks scummy victimized Cupid arrows out of your behind. I had the chance to lynch you yesterday. It was available. I abstained cause I still preferred Spade as mentioned, and by waiting it out a bit Spade was lynched over you. Even though I didn't exactly care which of you was lynched, I still had my preferred option.

Hawk was probably scared I'd have a change of heart if he bought cd myself and him to the finale because it could look like a obvious setup. We've lynched inactive and scummy players before who were town. Furthermore Hawk has been the golden child this game vs. myself who has been a avid pusher for lynches that didn't turn out so well in the end until Spade. Hawks pleas of being in the worse position between he and I were overdramatic and inaccurate. A lot of his emotional pleas for you to believe him have been over dramatic as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not going to stoop to begging and pleading. If I'm lynched, then Hawk deserves his win. He's worked his lil butt off for it. If you have any other questions I'll be glad to answer.

[Aubrey]

Wow I was expecting to lose this game at the tail end. Hawk, that was an excellent battle. Kop, I'd never want to be in your position as King maker. But I'm afraid...you didn't pick correctly.



This has been a fun game.

Don't let my sloppy town play be a town loss here. Vote Aubrey.

Your play alone was not what cost the town this game at all. Don't put the blame on yourself. If anything your play is what some people should try and emulate more.

[Aubrey]

What made you choose Hawk over me out of curiosity?

[Aubrey]

I think you did well overall in the arguments against me. I had to do some quick thinking when you started latching me with Aelin and ignoring Spade. Truthfully I'd have preferred bringing you and CD into the finale, but I didn't want to seem invested into lynching one singular person over another, hence why I pretended not to care who got lynched yesterday. Your unvote wasn't exactly what I was hoping for when Gamma threaten to hammer. I knew there was a chance that all of us might end up in the finale though, and I was fine with that cause you and I had similar pros and cons. There was no obvious choice, which gave me fighting ground. It truly was a fun ride, and you cornered me a few times that was hard to try and weasel out of.

Kop, good game. really thought you were gonna kill me when I woke up this morning.

Post 1260 lost my shit laughing at this.

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Finally, thank you Spade and Aelin. Especially Spade. You were a great scum companion, one of my favorites so far. Easy to work with and talk to. He's the one who thought Bang would be the jailor while I thought differently, and convinced me to force the power-roles to claim. I probably wouldn't have won without him.

[Aubrey]

Thanks MM for hosting

Yeah dead thread is blocked.

[Aubrey]

Like honestly Aubrey I'm more surprised you didn't paint this grand elaborate criminal master mind play with how I formed a lot of our misLynches off a trap set d1 by Spade and Aelin's distancing that fabricated a False crumb on Mala and forced town powers to out themselves.

I tend to not believe grand master plans as town. If I were going to do that I'd have to make sure it was completely believable and solid for when you countered. I feel as if everything I said against you was completely believable and gave you little room to counter and poke holes in my logic in order to properly sway Kop. That is why you didn't get a super big criminal master plan from me.

I think I would have had a counter for your point above regarding KT. In fact I'm pretty sure I've already explained why it would benefit town to keep KT's role unknown.

[Aubrey]

Lol it was funny KT kept shooting. Every night we were like, "yea he'll probably get blocked."

[Aubrey]

@bang, I don't think my last post was the deciding factor. Could be wrong, but I don't think so.

[Aubrey]

If I had been the vigilante, we would've won.

I knew Aubrey was scum from 203.

Shame.

[Aubrey]

You pr-lurked in my eyes, and we don't know you.

[Aubrey]

When I look for Power roles on day 1 (with no super strong tells) I tend to look for mellow players who are not trying to piss anybody off. Usually you find them in the middle of active and inactive. You said just enough not to cause suspicion from town players, and not enough to want me or my fellow scum partners to want to off you for your activity or pushes (unlike Bang or Hawk who had received strong town credit, and were going to be active nuisances.) That is why Kop and yourself gained my interest N1. Power-roles have to be careful, and I picked out players who seemed to be playing careful.

I was worried to attack Bang or Hawk for fear they would get protected by jailor if they didnt protect KT

@Hawk: I SAW THAT!!!! I was happy when I saw the black mage. I had FFT moment awhile back. Sadly I change my avatar almost weekly cause I get so bored with them.

[Aubrey]

Oh yea. That did happen. I don't remember if I just wasn't pleased with the DWP avi, and changed it back, or if you changed your avi to your current one and I got excited that someone else knew the game. I feel as if FFT is one of the more forgotten games in the FF series. My first two video games as a kid were FFT and FF9. DWP is just one of my all time favorite movies.

We got to talking about shows that we loved as kids at work, and I use to looooove Samurai Jack. Hence why my avi is now Aku. Honestly my Avi just changes based on my mood and current events around me that spark my interest. The only two I revert back to on a whim is the pexeled Zoey from L4D, and the 2 fox icons I made for a client way back when that I think are adorable for mafia.

[Aubrey]

I guess a month ago? however so long ago I read a challenge about trying to beat the game with Princess Ovelia's guard party that you play as at the start. You can play with what ever characters in the beginning up until the fort is blown up with Delita holding Teta in his arms, but once you can add the original Squire, and 2 female nights, and Agrias, you have to ditch your old party members. So I tried it and decided to make my avi the typical male Knight.

I need to finish that challenge at some point, but I'm to busy I dedicated a whole weekend and another Saturday to that game. I'm at the part where you fight Your brother alongside Zalbag.

[Aubrey]

N1, Mala. N2, Spade made the kill for fear of me possibly being jailed.

[Aubrey]

To be honest there were some obvious scum slips from all 3 of us there (sorry to rope you guys in you both played amazing) but one thing constantly with Spade town should've seen was him constantly going silent when asked for reads which seemed glaringly obvious from an outsider's view.
Bang was an obvious jk from all the awkward questions about the jk no vanilla would've asked

The problem was, he wasn't alone in going silent. How often would CD, Mala, or IV appear then go quite? It's hard to just isolate one person out of a group like that solely based on activity. In the end, I think this is a good game to showcase how important it is for a town to be rather active and aggressive overall vs. silent and kinda dormant. While it is true activity alone isnt AI, it does however play a key role in winning or losing a game.

I think the one thing that was never highlighted this game was that some of the slots getting voted by us were kinda easy slots to vote for by scum. IV for example was super easy for me to place a vote on due to the lack of activity and vigor. Scum like easy slots to vote, and to be able to keep their vote placed.

[Aubrey]

The good ol days.

[Aubrey]

Aubrey you love to live dangerously, don't you?