Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[JaeReed]

VC 3.05

Impoetic (4)

: Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone, TTTT

-- L-1!

Drone (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, gerryoat, shannon

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

[Impoetic]

Impoetic, can I ask you why you haven't really voted or anything. Please give an actual reason as it will give me a better read on you.

The reason why I haven't voted should be kind of obvious, though. I haven't been here or read much, and anyone who's played with me in any version of mafia -- which certainly includes you -- knows that i'm really bad at making decisions and really bad at... playing the game, honestly. Obviously not normally this bad, but this game it has become worse and worse. D1, it really happened before I could; I came back to a wagon on RB, which I didn't mind, but didn't want to hammer when I knew nothing about the game anymore and Titus (a player I respect) was saying she townread him. That last part of the reason is bogus, but it's what went through my mind, and I'm trying to be honest.

Day 2, all the wagons were on PR claims and PR reports, and as you know, in normal mafia, it's pretty suboptimal to vote those off early on unless you're sure. I don't know if it's the same here, because again, I don't know much about setups; that's why I kept asking. You'll see that in the last part of my ISO in the few posts i did make. If people answered, I always missed it. As for starting my own, I just didn't have enough information or confidence to really feel like voting/fosing anyone, and I was just being a bad player.

Today, I have been completely absent. This is the first or second time I've even checked the website.

I might be a little cheap for playing this card, especially considering it was for slightly different reasons the other time, but you were in the other game I pulled this and I was the clear PR. I just felt completely frozen reads-wise. It applies to my epicmafia play and it applies to a much more debilitating extent here. I am fully aware of how terrible my play has been, and I kept pretending to myself I'd change it, but I don't think I'm capable of that right now, especially with how far behind I am.

Sorry.

[Impoetic]

Specifically I think it should be obvious to gerryoat, but i see he isn't voting.

@Titus: If I recall correctly I thought you were scummier than some others day 1 primarily due to townreading RB and your claim being a powerful PR in a mini normal (which shouldn't have too many, I think? not sure) when you were about to get lynched, but felt/feel hesitant actually stating that. I was also considering shannon/sesq, but at the time I reconsidered on Sesq due to the beginning of their iso (lol) and shannon is mechanically more likely town than others.

[shannon]

Impoetic if you just keep playing you'll be fine, you're not that far behind mostly we are just arguing the toss about Titus vs Drone vs Me and now we're talking about you.

PS - You missed the part where you were asked to claim x

[ssbm_Kyouko]

yeah shannon declared her vote should be seen as on you already and then TTTT voted putting you at L-1 so if she's asking for a claim now I assume it's intent to hammer from her.
Do you have intent to hammer shannon?
Also don't hammer before Sesq/Drone talk please

[Impoetic]

Not claiming unless there's intent to hammer because I see this as a pressure wagon/a wagon on someone who has been not participating, and I feel like it'd be a waste, but please tell me so i have the chance if you actually have intent to hammer.

[Titus]

VOTE: Impoetic

Mah finger slipped.

[Impoetic]

I just checked and you were already voting me,

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Impoetic

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Teehee

[shannon]

yeah shannon declared her vote should be seen as on you already and then TTTT voted putting you at L-1 so if she's asking for a claim now I assume it's intent to hammer from her.
Do you have intent to hammer shannon?
Also don't hammer before Sesq/Drone talk please

I won't hammer until we get the Sesq/Drone stuff.

I'd really like it if we could agree on a course of action going forward, or at least a general strategy, for both possible results of this flip.

[TTTT]

@Titus: If I recall correctly I thought you were scummier than some others day 1 primarily due to townreading RB and your claim being a powerful PR in a mini normal (which shouldn't have too many, I think? not sure) when you were about to get lynched, but felt/feel hesitant actually stating that

You thought Titus was scummy during day1 for TRing RB?
That implies your day1 thoughts leaned to rb being scum
just read your day1 iso and nope
you literally took no stance on either Titus or rb day1
when rb was at L-1 you wrote 1324
That's it.

[TTTT]

I'd really like it if we could agree on a course of action going forward, or at least a general strategy, for both possible results of this flip.

No.

[TTTT]

I need rask and gerryBFF to take a stance on Impo before the hammer

[shannon]

@Sesq do you consider Impoetic a compromise lynch, or do you 100% oppose it?

[Impoetic]

@Titus: If I recall correctly I thought you were scummier than some others day 1 primarily due to townreading RB and your claim being a powerful PR in a mini normal (which shouldn't have too many, I think? not sure) when you were about to get lynched, but felt/feel hesitant actually stating that

You thought Titus was scummy during day1 for TRing RB?
That implies your day1 thoughts leaned to rb being scum
just read your day1 iso and nope
you literally took no stance on either Titus or rb day1
when rb was at L-1 you wrote 1324
That's it.

that was d2

[Impoetic]

This is a liability lynch (oops) rather than a scum lynch, meaning mafia gets a free day even though I'm still considering subbing out (have been posting without being caught up so I'm pretty sure I'm further behind than you think, Shannon -- though the potential subber-inner would be that far behind too, they'd most likely be better than me) so the fact that I *am* subbing out should be cause for unvote unless you actually SR me, which I don't remember people voicing while I was actually active (except that brief wagon at d1 which dissipated just as briefly).

[Impoetic]

@Sesq do you consider Impoetic a compromise lynch, or do you 100% oppose it?

And with 11 days left, there's no way anyone should be on a compromise lynch, especially as a hammerer.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is a liability lynch (oops) rather than a scum lynch, meaning mafia gets a free day even though I'm still considering subbing out (have been posting without being caught up so I'm pretty sure I'm further behind than you think, Shannon -- though the potential subber-inner would be that far behind too, they'd most likely be better than me) so the fact that I *am* subbing out should be cause for unvote unless you actually SR me, which I don't remember people voicing while I was actually active (except that brief wagon at d1 which dissipated just as briefly).

I'm beginning to think that with daytalk on shannon could have placed a quick vote on you to make your wagon look too easy/fast so that it would break up. Other people could reason it was my vote that did that but I know that if any vote was placed intentionally to make the wagon dissipate it was shannon's. That's when you followed up saying something like "wait don't speedlynch me guys I just saw like 3 votes" (quoting from memory) and then the wagon broke up soon after

[Titus]

Why didn't sub out or do more ages ago? I have been nagging you to vote since d1

[TTTT]

@Titus: If I recall correctly I thought you were scummier than some others day 1 primarily due to townreading RB and your claim being a powerful PR in a mini normal (which shouldn't have too many, I think? not sure) when you were about to get lynched, but felt/feel hesitant actually stating that

You thought Titus was scummy during day1 for TRing RB?
That implies your day1 thoughts leaned to rb being scum
just read your day1 iso and nope
you literally took no stance on either Titus or rb day1
when rb was at L-1 you wrote 1324
That's it.

that was d2

No it wasn't.
unless by "that" you mean something other than what we are talking about...

[TTTT]

All I want for Christmas:
Sesq, Rask, and gerryBFF to take a stand on Imp
someone to hammer

[Raskolnikov]

Impoetic lynch looks pretty meh tbh.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Shannon

I want this dead. She's very good at going with the flow and I think that nice/conciliatory nature is winning people over.
But she's like a chameleon in terms of stances.

[Raskolnikov]

It's not like I malignantly quickhammered. I joke-voted. I'm telling you there isn't scum motivation in joke-voting, and it's only bad for town because the culprit is town in the first place; if I were mafia, I'd be giving town the rope with which to hang me for... what? A tiny chance to get one townie lynched early in d1... which would require two townies messing up and doing the same thing you're saying i'm scum for?

How do u know im townie though?

you're most likely town because statistically most people are town in the game, and the argument against me is assuming you're town so there's no point in considering the other scenario

This doesn't look scum-on-scum imo. Impoetic's answer here is what got her wagoned a bit later, but assuming or slipping someone as town when they're scum doesn't make any sense.