Charloux (3): rb, Road Kamelot, culted
karnos (2): GuiltyLion, Lemons
GuiltyLion (2): BTD6_maker, karnos
not voting (2): ArcAngel9, Charloux
5 days till deadline.
He's already said why he's supposedly so upset, and it essentially came down to 'rb pushed me and RK made a baseless vote'. To me it sounds like someone trying to play the part of frustrated town to derail a wagon. Voting or not voting doesn't mean a lot now, since he's already been called out for it, as you said. The suspicious part is why he didn't vote before now, when people weren't questioning him on it.In post 244, GuiltyLion wrote:I don't buy this and neither should you. You can't understand him being upset, why not ask him about it? Why is it suspicious that he hasn't voted, why is that something that scum is more likely to do than town? Especially since other people have been asking him about it and voting him for it already.In post 235, Lemons wrote:Charloux's frustration seems forced to me. I can't understand how someone would get this upset over a day 1 L-2, to the point of self voting. It's also suspicious that he hasn't voted for anyone he finds scummy, as others have pointed out.
nothing that you said runs against the point of the question. In fact, it only supports me, if anything. "I'm obvtown" is a risk-less statement, you're right. So why is BTD6 making a huge deal out of it? Whether I'm town or scum, it doesn't matter, I can say some shit or I can ignore his question, talking about it is absolutely useless.In post 249, karnos wrote:I hate to answer for someone else, but your question is so illogical it demands a response.
My claim that you are scum actually puts me at risk. If I am wrong, and you come up as town somehow, I'll probably get lynched in return. i'm willing to take that risk, obviously, but it's a risk I am taking.
OTOH you are not really taking any risk at all by claiming you are obvtown, as the only way to prove you wrong would be to flip you or investigate you, in which case you are dead anyway. You aren't *really* risking anything by making the claim, because disproving the claim costs you your life in the game anyway.
here:In post 50, GuiltyLion wrote:36 and 40 are pro-town points and inquiries, RK is calling out scummy behavior from karnos.
and here:In post 81, GuiltyLion wrote:a) I don't think 40 was proved to be inaccurate, the setup spec point doesn't matter nearly as much as your point about karnos defending himself against an accusation that hasn't happened. And everything else in 58 is exactly my problem with what karnos did. I'm on the same wavelength as you and it looks to me like you're trying to sort people. That's enough for a D1 early TR
It's pretty clear to me that RK is trying to get a grip on others alignments, rather than faking it. If you disagree and you don't think RK is town, then make the case that she's scum. Discrediting another player's townread is more pro-scum than it is pro-town.In post 242, GuiltyLion wrote:Sure - 36, 41, 74, 145 and 171 taken together, 208.In post 227, culted wrote:Also, can you show me some examples of RK sorting the game?
Who are you referring to?In post 254, rb wrote:You're both town lol
That's your take on me? It may help if you were trying to understand my point - that you need to back up these claims - rather than assuming that I am ignoring your point, when I am refuting it. I am doing this entirely intentionally. I am intentionally refuting your point, which does mean I am "ignoring" what you said about not having to defend what you say. This is necessary as I cannot accept that you do not need any explanation and should be regarded as obvTown by default while refuting your claims. I am rejecting your claim, not "trying my damnedest to ignore the point". In doing so, I am not reframing the argument into something stupid.In post 243, GuiltyLion wrote:honestly BTD just makes me exhausted when I read his posts, dude's a brick wall and it seems like he's trying his damnedest to ignore the point of what I say and reframe the argument into something stupid. I'm not sure if he's scum or if he's just doing it unintentionallyIn post 228, culted wrote:How are you exactly reading BTD's push on you here? Hard to tell.
This is at least more interesting. You are giving me other information to scrutinise. It may be true that I have focused on you, but I can explain these as well. At first glance they may look bad, but then I realised the difference. Karnos gave reasons. (Not in these posts, but in prior posts). He may have exaggerated but he had revealed reasons earlier. His main reason was based on your comment to his post about letting him get lynched even if he was a Death Miller. It is clear that he scumread that post, and he could cite this as evidence for the formation of his reads. Can you cite evidence why you're obvTown?In post 245, GuiltyLion wrote:I was mostly referring to karnos instead of you in that section. See these quotes from karnos:In post 236, BTD6_maker wrote:Also, your next posts are just as bad. "Everything I've done and why it can only come from scum and not town". This is serious misrep. I did not hold you as obvscum or even a moderate to strong scumread. In fact, I held you as nullscum. In that case, why would I be convinced that everything you did can only be from scum and not Town?
In post 85, karnos wrote:Nope. I said it *might* have been a play error.In post 82, GuiltyLion wrote: and you conceded it was a "play error"., so it's a fair trade.But luckily you revealed your alignment by jumping on as only scum wouldI do want to know, BTD6 - why aren't you holding these claims up to the same level of scrutiny as you took on my "obvtown" remark? karnos is calling me scum and depending on his alignment he will naturally have different thought patterns as to why he is making that claim. My point is that his statements are more worth diving into, especially given that you're voting me already.In post 209, karnos wrote:My proposal: we lynch guilty lion. If he is town, he should be okay with being lynched because his flip will validate his argument and theoretically town could lynch me in retaliation..Except that won't happen because he is going to flip red