(Mini 1858) Aeronaut's Drunken Christmas Party (Game Over!)

[CloudKicker]

and like i said, i thought a third party in mini looks unlikely, alors dreal if you even doubt be again you are in the realm of vi

[CloudKicker]

Part 0.2, added confirmed alignements

VCs so far, im posting this because ill eventually use it to make an analysis

Spoiler:

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Win or Lose We Booze -

TheThinker

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TheThinker

-[/size] Win or Lose We Booze,

Shaddowez

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SickAndPissed -

McMenno

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Pine

-[/size] SickAndPissed

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Win or Lose We Booze -

TheThinker

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Jackel98 -

Algebra

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TheThinker

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Shaddowez

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SickAndPissed -

McMenno

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1 Shot Vanilla Town

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

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ScumDeersAreVeryTasty -

Pine

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Win or Lose We Booze -

TheThinker

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Creeps20 -

Pine, Shaddowez

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Jackel98 -

Algebra

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

SickAndPissed, Jackel98

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SickAndPissed -

McMenno

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1 Shot Vanilla Town

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

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Creeps20 -

Pine, Shaddowez

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Jackel98 -

Algebra

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drealmerz7 -

SickAndPissed,

TheThinker

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SickAndPissed -

McMenno

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1 Shot Vanilla Town

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McMenno -

Jackel98

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

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Creeps20 -

Pine

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drealmerz7 -

SickAndPissed,

TheThinker

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SickAndPissed -

McMenno

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1 Shot Vanilla Town

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McMenno -

Shaddowez

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Drealmerz7, Algebra, Jackel98

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

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1 Shot Vanilla Town

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Creeps20 -

Pine

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

SickAndPissed,

TheThinker

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Shaddowez

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SickAndPissed -

1 Shot Vanilla Town

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Drealmerz7, Algebra, Jackel98,

McMenno

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Shaddowez

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1 Shot Vanilla Town

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Creeps20 -

Pine

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

TheThinker

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Shaddowez

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SickAndPissed -

1 Shot Vanilla Town

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Drealmerz7, Jackel98,

McMenno

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

, Win or Lose We Booze, Algebra

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

Shaddowez

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SickAndPissed -

1 Shot Vanilla Town

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Pine

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Drealmerz7, Jackel98,

McMenno

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

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TheThinker

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Pine

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TheThinker

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SickAndPissed -

1 Shot Vanilla Town

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Pine

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Drealmerz7, Jackel98,

McMenno,

Win or Lose We Booze

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

, Algebra,

TheThinker

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Pine -

SickAndPissed

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TheThinker

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SickAndPissed -

1 Shot Vanilla Town

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Pine

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Drealmerz7, Jackel98,

McMenno

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

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TheThinker

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Pine

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TheThinker

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SickAndPissed -

Ümläüt

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Pine

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Drealmerz7, Jackel98,

McMenno

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

, Algebra,

TheThinker

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Pine

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TheThinker

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SickAndPissed -

Pine

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Algebra -

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Drealmerz7, Jackel98,

McMenno

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

, Algebra,

TheThinker

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Ümläüt

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Pine

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TheThinker

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SickAndPissed -

Pine

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Ümläüt

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Algebra -

-Grey-, Drealmerz7, Jackel98,

CloudKicker

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

, Algebra,

TheThinker

, Win or Lose We Booze

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Pine

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

-Grey-,

Pine

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SickAndPissed -

Ümläüt

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Algebra -

Drealmerz7, Jackel98

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

, Algebra,

TheThinker,

Win or Lose We Booze,

CloudKicker

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Pine

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

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Pine, Shaddowez,

Algebra,

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Algebra -

Drealmerz7, Jackel98

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita

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TheThinker

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CloudKicker

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Pine

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

Pine, Shaddowez,

Algebra,

Ümläüt

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Algebra -

Jackel98

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita,

TheThinker

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CloudKicker

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

Pine, Shaddowez

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Shaddowez -

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achStralkita

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TheThinker

, Win or Lose We Booze, Drealmerz7, -Grey-,

CloudKicker

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SickAndPissed,

Ümläüt

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

Shaddowez

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Pine

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita,

TheThinker

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CloudKicker

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SickAndPissed,

Ümläüt

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TheThinker

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drealmerz7 -

Shaddowez

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita,

TheThinker

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Ümläüt

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Pine

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TheThinker

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Shaddowez

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Shaddowez

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ZachStralkita,

CloudKicker

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Ümläüt

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Pine

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jackel98 -

CloudKicker

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TheThinker

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CloudKicker -

jackel98,

Pine

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Pine

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ZachStralkita

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Ümläüt

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jackel98 -

CloudKicker

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TheThinker

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CloudKicker -

jackel98

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Pine

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ZachStralkita

, Win or Lose We Booze,

Ümläüt, TheThinker

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Ümläüt

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Pine

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jackel98 -

Drealmerz7

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CloudKicker -

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Ümläüt, TheThinker

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CloudKicker,

Algebra,

Pine

Added obvious objectively obvious town

[Titus]

Stop. Take out anything not flipped. If you add in things not confirmed, VCA is a circle jerk.

[CloudKicker]

Nah, you an use 0.1 if you want where its only confirmed but ill use my reads for analysis

[CloudKicker]

Theres no way in hell zach is mafia and even if she was, shes not getting even conisidered until lylo, same for me so the futures 2-3 lynches are based on this

[CloudKicker]

Just observations i got, jack never got voted ever by scum not pushed on when he would be the most obviousl ml bait in the fucking history, creeps got voted by both mafia early and shadow said it was a serious read, both shadow/pine buddied hard d1, no reasons to think they wouldt buddy creeps if he was scum.

post 700 seems like it clears dreal, both scum's position on the wagon is sooooo indicative of a town flip for dreal

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: jackal98 hardclaim if your next post

[CloudKicker]

#527 and #625 should clear my slot, i replaced in and immediatly vote mafia when i could easily find a reason to stay on algebra

[Titus]

Cloud politely stfu ty. I would like to teach you thinks and you're making it impossible and you make me want to townread jackal out of spite

[CloudKicker]

lol, teach me

[CloudKicker]

I think i

pine[/d]d mafia without a

shadow

of a doubt

[CloudKicker]

oh lord my puns

[Titus]

Ok. First things first when looking at a VCA

Do you have a scum lynch without a guilty? I presume we do.
Is it day 3 or later in a mini or day 5 or later in a large? Yes.

Ok, now establish rules based on current site meta.

1) Scum rarely start a serious wagon on buddies.
2) Scum generally are likely to avoid t v t drama, unless an SR is threatened.
3) Scum like to be in the middle of the wagon, town or scum.
4) We apply these to generate a list of townreads...

Turning to the VCs

[Titus]

Ok Zach is probably town for starting the wagon on Shadow.

WLOB is likely town due to being the decider.

Creeps wagon is overloaded, so the context there is important. Retaliation or dramatic bus.

SnP likely town due to Pine votage.

[Titus]

No one actually gives a shit about the no lynch blah blah as it won't happen and neither does anyone really care who votes for who in RVS.
All people want is a reason to move on and try sorting the game, I think I saw RVS actually help find scum once in my entire time. Stop pretending that it's anything more than that.

I will agree but also disagree. i dislike the actual doing of RVS but how else are you going to get things started. The goal of RVS isn't necessarily simply to catch scum (although catching scum is obviously not a bad thing) The main goal of RVS is to get things moving and tonal reads developing and everything moves on from there.

I dislike the voting for a no lynch, not only because it is bad, but because of his reasoning. His argument is that he dislikes RVS and it doesn't get anything done, but neither does voting for a no lynch. It withholds flips from the town, when in fact the same number of mislynches will be needed regardless of a no lynch or not.


I agree that I don't like staying in RVS, i usually like to get out of it as soon as possible. But i dislike the circumstances around 1shot's no lynch, and thus deserves my personal finger of suspicion.

We are not going to find scum fighting over this. It is NAI at worst. Assuming this is his meta (which is highly possible) it is done regardless of alliegnment. As such we are wasting time, space and productivity. This should only be done in times where the thread is dead but this one is still pretty fresh. As a result I will

VOTE: Sickand (badword)

[Titus]

Mod: Please fix dual post.

Either scum were paranoid of what Creeps said here, or dual bus is a possibility.

[drealmerz7]

don't listen to anything titus says, she doesn't know what the fuck is going on

just ignore the slot entirely until she actually reads the fucking game and gets a clue as to what is going on

it will serve town better to just fucking ignore her

[Win or Lose We Booze]

I got a message confirming Zach as town last night
~GE

[Win or Lose We Booze]

Also Aero didn't kick us out of the closet yet
That needs fixing
~GE

[drealmerz7]

I think it's intended that way

[CloudKicker]

Good zach was obvious town anyway, do you want needs myself to claim ? i heavily crumbed my role and i can prove that what my role does, i just cant prove its a town aligned role

[CloudKicker]

But since its not poisoner or something like that, it should clear me right ?

[drealmerz7]

why would you?

[CloudKicker]

Just to clear myself so the townblock cant be doubted

[drealmerz7]

townblocks are fucking retarded