Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[Spade_Ace]

So I am liking Hawk for this post, however, I don't like Hawk for his read posts in 100.
I like the fact he got the game from RVS into :serious mode:.

@Mala post 100 is not Hawk's.

Also tbh, I didn't like Hawk saying that his vote on Alisae, someone he considers is a soft town lean, was a way of getting us out of RVS. Usually we just transition out of RVS phase, we don't require someone to officially announce it.

And why is everyone unvoting their RVS vote. Keep it till you get a scumread on someone else.

[Aubrey]

Yeah, Hawk didn't make a lot of sense there pushing his townread. I also don't know what type of reaction he was hoping for. This is why I'm kinda on the fence with him. On the other hand he seems rather talkative, is trying to move the game forward, and the early read list has me kinda like, Eeeh. Hence the rather soft town lean for now.

Dagger hasn't done much yet to have me aliviate my vote.

Kain is probably going to be a pain to place in general based on meta.

[Aubrey]

Wow dudes I don't know this game idk what to think

Getting mixed vibes all around

What happened here? You went from what seemed like somewhat sturdy guy reads to being vexed all around.

[Aubrey]

Gut*
damn phone.

[Malakittens]

I meant 116.

[Hawk]

Aubrey and Spade: Self-vote in RVS from Alisae to me is an engage me vote not nesscarily null. IME it's often town looking to start ppl talking, accidentally start a wagon, or in general just be different and standout during RVS. So I engaged wanting to see what he had to say.

131 Vert why does my Aelin read bother you? Null/town or null/scum are like the softest of leans.

Mala:
124 2 things.
1. Specifically why don't you like my read list in 116? It's a soft read list. I clarify that later.
2. I'm glad someone else called out Alisae cause that felt horribly like a trap since it's a big pool of circular logic and opinions till people flip.

126
What about the dump didn't you like? Please elaborate more.

132
Don't like this logic. Just because I agree with someone's logic and point to it as a simple explanation for why I lean one way does not discount my read. Not going to pressure your reads? What reads? You posted once before that. Scum reading this. Still thinking you're Scummy.

VOTE: Mala [/Mala]

[Hawk]

VOTE: Mala

[Kop]

You're trying to get us out of RVS. Scum feel super uncomfortable in RVS.

Fair enough. Townread Alisae. I may have tried to move us out of RVS fairly quickly as this is my first forum mafia game and I'm a bit excited to play lol.

UNVOTE: Alisae

Did the town read come after that vote and reaction, or did you town read Alisae before that?

Yeah, I do have a scumlean on him. But if I strongly felt he was scum at this point, I would have felt safe voting him. I don't yet.

Why don't you vote for scum leans? Because to me, this is similar scenario to fence sitting, and if some sort of wagon forms on them, you'd jump on and say well I did have a scum lean read on them so I think it's a viable wagon for me to join. Scum tend to join wagons, rather than actually contribute to begin one. I know you have stated reasons and actually interacted with him, but if I have any sort of scum read whether it's a leaning towards scum, slight scum read, to heavy scum read, that's where my vote would be.

[Alisae]

Yeah, I do have a scumlean on him. But if I strongly felt he was scum at this point, I would have felt safe voting him. I don't yet.

Why don't you vote for scum leans? Because to me, this is similar scenario to fence sitting, and if some sort of wagon forms on them, you'd jump on and say well I did have a scum lean read on them so I think it's a viable wagon for me to join. Scum tend to join wagons, rather than actually contribute to begin one. I know you have stated reasons and actually interacted with him, but if I have any sort of scum read whether it's a leaning towards scum, slight scum read, to heavy scum read, that's where my vote would be.

Why are you commeting on my playstyle?

[Aelin]

That's not a straight answer Alisae.
Rather, it's avoiding the question by answering with another question

[Alisae]

I know it's not.
But he's still doing it.
Once I wonder why he's commenting on my playstyle currently, I'll answer his question.

[Kop]

Yeah, I do have a scumlean on him. But if I strongly felt he was scum at this point, I would have felt safe voting him. I don't yet.

Why don't you vote for scum leans? Because to me, this is similar scenario to fence sitting, and if some sort of wagon forms on them, you'd jump on and say well I did have a scum lean read on them so I think it's a viable wagon for me to join. Scum tend to join wagons, rather than actually contribute to begin one. I know you have stated reasons and actually interacted with him, but if I have any sort of scum read whether it's a leaning towards scum, slight scum read, to heavy scum read, that's where my vote would be.

Why are you commeting on my playstyle?

I think it's a scum mentality that doesn't chase down scum leans, but would rather sit on the fence till someone actually starts it up.

[Kop]

I know it's not.
But he's still doing it.
Once I wonder why he's commenting on my playstyle currently, I'll answer his question.

If you have a scum lean, wouldn't you rather further the game by actually trying to force an opinion that can actually alter your read on said person.

If I had a scum lean on you, I'd be voting for you, and engaging with you and see where it would go. By the end of the debate, I'd have a bigger read on you than not doing so and just saying your a scum lean and leaving it at that. I'm no further forward into what you could possibly be.

[Alisae]

Kop that's fair.
But sofar I like how he's pressuring Mala. Seems genuine and a town thing to do.
VOTE: Mala

[Hawk]

Liking Kop ScumHunting. 157 161 162.

Town lean on Alisae was after his response. He seemed like he was fencing to force conversation his continued fencing makes me feel like he's playing opportunistic scum. The switch to my primary SR and voting feels like diverting. If Mala is scum I would not nesscarily think Alisae is town because of that vote. If Mala isn't scum Alisae is now my strong number two SR.

Reading Kop as town.

[Hawk]

Wait I just noticed something sorry I'm clarifying my last post.

Alisae to me is playing anti town which idk how you read very well. zSays he has a scum lean on me. Kop questions doesn't get a straight answer. Aelin pressures, Alisae says he will respond when he knows why yes questioning his playstyle. Kop responds. Alisae says "Fair enough vote mala?"

Why if you think I'm Scum are you voting my SR? Why didn't you respond to Kop?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aubrey and Spade: Self-vote in RVS from Alisae to me is an engage me vote not nesscarily null. IME it's often town looking to start ppl talking, accidentally start a wagon, or in general just be different and standout during RVS. So I engaged wanting to see what he had to say.

131 Vert why does my Aelin read bother you? Null/town or null/scum are like the softest of leans.

Mala:
124 2 things.
1. Specifically why don't you like my read list in 116? It's a soft read list. I clarify that later.
2. I'm glad someone else called out Alisae cause that felt horribly like a trap since it's a big pool of circular logic and opinions till people flip.

126
What about the dump didn't you like? Please elaborate more.

132
Don't like this logic. Just because I agree with someone's logic and point to it as a simple explanation for why I lean one way does not discount my read. Not going to pressure your reads? What reads? You posted once before that. Scum reading this. Still thinking you're Scummy.

VOTE: Mala [/Mala]

It mainly bothered me because out of all the reads you presented, she was one of two reads I disagreed with because of her entrance. While my gut didn't feel her awkwardness in 64 and 65 was scummy, it didn't read as town at all to me so I was wondering how you could be leaning null-town on her. I'm feeling a little better about your read though based on her comment on KT's play in 141. I feel if she was scum, she would have tried to start to a wagon on him there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aubrey and Spade: Self-vote in RVS from Alisae to me is an engage me vote not nesscarily null. IME it's often town looking to start ppl talking, accidentally start a wagon, or in general just be different and standout during RVS. So I engaged wanting to see what he had to say.

131 Vert why does my Aelin read bother you? Null/town or null/scum are like the softest of leans.

Mala:
124 2 things.
1. Specifically why don't you like my read list in 116? It's a soft read list. I clarify that later.
2. I'm glad someone else called out Alisae cause that felt horribly like a trap since it's a big pool of circular logic and opinions till people flip.

126
What about the dump didn't you like? Please elaborate more.

132
Don't like this logic. Just because I agree with someone's logic and point to it as a simple explanation for why I lean one way does not discount my read. Not going to pressure your reads? What reads? You posted once before that. Scum reading this. Still thinking you're Scummy.

VOTE: Mala [/Mala]

It mainly bothered me because out of all the reads you presented, she was one of two reads I disagreed with because of her entrance. While my gut didn't feel her awkwardness in 64 and 65 was scummy, it didn't read as town at all to me so I was wondering how you could be leaning null-town on her. I'm feeling a little better about your read though based on her comment on KT's play in 141. I feel if she was scum, she would have tried to start a wagon on him there.

EBWOP.

[Kop]

Kop that's fair.
But sofar I like how he's pressuring Mala. Seems genuine and a town thing to do.
VOTE: Mala

This post stinks of a full 180 turn towards Hawk.

[Aubrey]

Kop that's fair.

But sofar I like how he's pressuring Mala. Seems genuine and a town thing to do.

VOTE: Mala

The bold and colored part of the text was referring to you Hawk. Seems to me she is only voting Mala cause Mala had some issues with her earlier.

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Kop, do you have any scum leans since you're not voting anybody?

UNVOTE: C.Dagger
VOTE: Alisae

:/ Hawk is already voting them, and you know InnocentVillager isn't a big fan of them. Both of ya'll had the same opinion on Hawk.

post 130
post 132

What's your deal with Mala all of a sudden?

[innocentvillager]

Wow dudes I don't know this game idk what to think

Getting mixed vibes all around

What happened here? You went from what seemed like somewhat sturdy guy reads to being vexed all around.

take a wild guess

VOTE: aubrey

[Aubrey]

[KainTepes]

INNOCENT VILLAGOR IS LURKING;;

lynch all the people who are washing water,, then eventually we will get the scumz

[Lil Uzi Vert]

INNOCENT VILLAGOR IS LURKING;;

lynch all the people who are

washing water

,, then eventually we will get the scumz

What does the bolded mean?

[KainTepes]

washing water means not posting anythign and pretending to be invisible like hiding in water........ but kain tepes has X RAY VISION AND CAN SEE THE WATER WASHERS