Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[The MM]

Votecount N°3

Not Voting (4):

Malakittens, Aelin, Kop, Lil Uzi Vert

Alisae (1):

Aubrey

Crystalline Dagger (0):

Kop (0):

innocentvillager (4):

KainTepes, Alisae, Spade_Ace, Crystalline Dagger

bangthemafia (0):

Spade_Ace (2):

bangthemafia

Malakittens (2):

Hawk

Aubrey (1):

innocentvillager

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline in: (expired on 2017-01-04 12:00:00)

Going to prod bangthemafia. I'll be seeking a replacement if he does not respond within 48 hours.

[Aubrey]

Thanks KT!

So Kain as scum pushes things that are more NAI like activity and uses a lot of ATE. More than most people think he does. He also uses the "If I was scum, why would I _____?" excuse which is always a scum tell in my book.

As town, he actually pushes things that are scummy. In a town game he just linked, I recall him voting someone for attempting to rolefish and putting pressure on someone for ignoring him and not his answering questions. He also asks questions that seem to move the game forward.

Of course, this is off a 10 minute skim so should probably be taken with a grain of a salt.

Uzi, I can't help think that you're telling

Uzi

KT "Hey, just play your town game and you won't get caught as scum."

If Kain is well known about being able to slip around people as scum, why would Scum Uzi hint to Scum KT to play his town game in order to not get caught? He even mentions this in post 142.

wait what

i misinterpreted your comment completely then

nvm not sure if i agree

??? What did you think she was saying

I AM TOWN,, and i hope you notice the WASHING WATER nature of innocent villager that is why i am VOTING HIM!!!!!!!!

Kain it would be easier if you explained exactly what washing water is and why it makes innocent villager scummy

Pretty sure this is his version of WASHING WATER

thats what made me so sure NINOMASAKI was scum in the KIDS WITH GUNS game i linked. no strong views, she only ever says I THINK X MAY BE TOWN BUT NOT SURE or I THINK Y MAY BE SCUM BUT MAYBE NOT,, very washing water, VERY SUSPICIUOS!!!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Kain explains what it means in 174.

[Alisae]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Not liking his posts so far. They all seem ambiguous.

Is it just me, or does this post seem very opportunistic.

[Alisae]

Now that I think abou it, has Spade really done anything to progress the game?

[KainTepes]

Now that I think abou it, has Spade really done anything to progress the game?

i get that feeling too,, he is also a water washer

[innocentvillager]

i like kt for town.

[KainTepes]

UNVOTE

i know this may look like i am unvoting innocentvillager just because he townread me,, but i just notice a trend in INNOCENTVILLAGER POSTS that makies him a bit more townlike.... let me quote those posts,,

[KainTepes]

Mala is scum
Hawk is town
Alis is town

Don't ask me to justify these yet these are just gut, I'll let you guys know when to take my opinions seriously if I can find reasoning

Wow dudes I don't know this game idk what to think

Getting mixed vibes all around

i like kt for town.

these three posts taken as a whole makes it feel like innocentvillager is focused on sorting people into GROUPS,, which is a very town mentality. not really scum reading him any more for now

[Alisae]

Hmm, Kain that's a good point, tho I could be thinking that you're vote on inno could be an early attempt at a bus.

But for now my vote goes here I guess
VOTE: Spade_Ace

[Spade_Ace]

Alisae, just started posting again on MS. Was busy with the holidays. Let me read the thread.

[Spade_Ace]

Listen, Transcend is in a class with some players like Kain Tepes that we called the "WTF zone". They break the mold and are uncontrollable. IV is not one of these.

lol

i promise, i am no transcend

i think i my most recent game he deathtunneled me with zero reasoning and lost us the game -_-

The last game i played with him he soft claimed the lead mafia role, self hammered when he was at L-1, and flipped some type of town PR like watcher or tracker. I wont play another game with him personally.

Transcend's a cool dog. Give him another chance.

What is the relevance of a discussion on a player who is not involved in this game???

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Listen, Transcend is in a class with some players like Kain Tepes that we called the "WTF zone". They break the mold and are uncontrollable. IV is not one of these.

lol

i promise, i am no transcend

i think i my most recent game he deathtunneled me with zero reasoning and lost us the game -_-

The last game i played with him he soft claimed the lead mafia role, self hammered when he was at L-1, and flipped some type of town PR like watcher or tracker. I wont play another game with him personally.

Transcend's a cool dog. Give him another chance.

What is the relevance of a discussion on a player who is not involved in this game???

None. Is there a problem?

[KainTepes]

Hmm, Kain that's a good point, tho I could be thinking that you're vote on inno could be an early attempt at a bus.

But for now my vote goes here I guess
VOTE: Spade_Ace

you're only making associative tells.... do you have any INDIVIDUAL tells to contribute?

[innocentvillager]

i know this may look like i am unvoting innocentvillager just because he townread me,

this prefacing here rubs me the wrong way

i still like kt for town but maybe not solid town

[Spade_Ace]

@Lil The question was more directed at Crystalline Dagger. I did an ISo on him and apart from post 222 most of his posts have been irrelevant. They are either hydra clarifying themselves, about Pokemon, about Transcend or about the 'water washy' thing. I know it is an RVS, Crystalline, but do some kind of scumhunting else it looks as if you are just trying to look involved.

Also his one original post 222, he says 218 of IV made him thing IV was a scum. I actually felt 218 made IV lean more towards town. It seems as if he is trying subtly join the IV wagon.

VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

[innocentvillager]

@Lil The question was more directed at Crystalline Dagger. I did an ISo on him and apart from post 222 most of his posts have been irrelevant. They are either hydra clarifying themselves, about Pokemon, about Transcend or about the 'water washy' thing. I know it is an RVS, Crystalline, but do some kind of scumhunting else it looks as if you are just trying to look involved.

Also his one original post 222, he says 218 of IV made him thing IV was a scum. I actually felt 218 made IV lean more towards town. It seems as if he is trying subtly join the IV wagon.

VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

this post is smelly

VOTE: spade_ace

[innocentvillager]

i just don't buy this as a real town process. it looks forced and opportunistic

[Spade_Ace]

Do an ISO of his posts.

[innocentvillager]

have you done an iso of your own posts? i don't see you adding much more content than that slot

[Spade_Ace]

Do you see any irrelevant posts in my ISO?

[Alisae]

Hmm, Kain that's a good point, tho I could be thinking that you're vote on inno could be an early attempt at a bus.

But for now my vote goes here I guess
VOTE: Spade_Ace

you're only making associative tells.... do you have any INDIVIDUAL tells to contribute?

scumtells or towntells?
And I do, but if I contribute the scumtells, people will avoid doing them.
If I contribute the towntells, scum will just do the towntells.
So why would I tell you what they are?

[innocentvillager]

the reason you change your vote to be on someone should be because you actually noticed something significant that points in the direction of them being scum

You've been called out for not providing content lately, started getting some suspicion on you. All you've really done this game is clarify, engage in irrelevant discussion, talk about merits of RVS and stuff, and at one point you literally voted me for like "ambiguous posts". Is that a legitimate reason to vote someone?

Here, you're calling out Crystalline for 1) irrelevant posting, which a. you yourself do and b. is completely null 2) you townread me for a post they scumread me for.

I cannot buy that as a logical, real genuine thought out town process for switching a vote. Your scumtells and follow-up votes have so far all been based on "ambiguity and irrelevance", which are in no way significant scumtells and I doubt town!you would've actually had these thoughts organically arise.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I agree, his catchup and his vote feels he like only put it together because he was called out by Alisae. Filler is NAI and I don't see a problem with clarifying things to avoid confusion in the future.

VOTE: Spade

[innocentvillager]

ill admit I may be exaggerating the irrelevance of your posts but my points still stand