Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[Drone]

Also disregard that I was associating him and Kohai(Gerry) together because if Drone's scum it's with Titus unless he flips as a Mafia Neighbor, in which case Titus can be confirmed town

I might support this info lynch

Oh really? You want an info lynch on day 3 with 2 mafia still alive?
I get the laid back attitude, but you'll lose with me NOT being around.

Like

Seriously, look what we're dealing with here;
Sesq, Kyouko, Impoetic and TTTT.

Sesq, been over

Kyouko apparently is attention hogging, since the last game we've played he's sure his process of thinking was brought down by the gods and explicitly won't back off. (never heard of coincidences?)

TTTT is like Sesq, all over the place.
Cute questions, no content.
Comes in around and is apparently, allegedly fine with an info lynch with.. what, 1 ml left if im not wrong?

and Impo.
Who's more concentrated on making sure everyone got her right, rather than actually finding scum/reads
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Scum-Trait

[Drone]

I'd say we need to wish that Titus, Gerry, or Rask are town.
If that's the case, we're doomed

[Drone]

If that's not* the case :V

[Drone]

I can go on and on with ranting but that's useless.
Can we lynch either Impo/Shannon/Sesq?

[Drone]

TTTT is also an option

[JaeReed]

VC 3.08

Impoetic (3)

: Titus, Drone, gerryoat

-- L-2!

Drone (2)

: Sesq, ssbm_Kyouko

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Titus (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (2)

: TTTT, Impoetic

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

Tomorrow I'll get back to sending out official prods for inactivity.

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

[Titus]

I am only voting Impoetic, or if I must compromise Shannon.

Ty.

[Titus]

And then Drone.

Everyone else is town.

#stubborntime

[Impoetic]

so titus, do you think me/shannon or drone/shannon is the team? Or do you think drone could be voting his partner with the person who has vocally SRed him since d2?

Also drone:
I'm focusing on what people think of me at this point in time because I'm still thinking of subbing out (not sure whether that's fair to the replacement or not, trying not to cause more trouble by doing that unnecessarily) and I want to stop being a liability slot. I was focusing on that earlier primarily because

I was actually in danger of being mislynched

, and it's bad to be mislynched, so if you have arguments for why SRs on you are bad when you're being mislynched, you should out them. There's also trying to sort my wagon, and for the most part, I'm still trying to form concrete reads. I'm just bad at doing so.

[Titus]

I think

You/shannon
You/drone

Fml

[Impoetic]

so you *do* think drone would vote his last partner with one ML left, forming half the starting point of a wagon that almost went through?

[Titus]

Yes, in rare circumstances

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We have 2 mls left before 5 way lylo assuming scum kills both nights. One lynch should be one of Titus/Drone to verify neighbor claims. Drone has been scummier than Titus and isn't a claimed PR so it should be him over Titus.

Titus have you looked around VC 1.20 when rb first hits L-1? Drone's unvote suggests scum imo

[Drone]

We have 2 mls left before 5 way lylo assuming scum kills both nights. One lynch should be one of Titus/Drone to verify neighbor claims. Drone has been scummier than Titus and isn't a claimed PR so it should be him over Titus.

Titus have you looked around VC 1.20 when rb first hits L-1? Drone's unvote suggests scum imo

I'm not lynching Titus today.
C'mon, lynch me. Can you?

[Sesq]

@Kyouko
You ain't getting Drone/Sesq talks.

@Sesq
You're actually the newbie town here, your reads are so all over the place and so weird that it looks like you're making shit up.
Here's for clarity; 2371
Shannon is town
2385
Actually NOT town, just not scummy (aliens confirmed)

Fuck it.
How DARE you call Impoetic newbie with plays like these?
With this i'm ending the "Drone/Sesq" talks Kyouko wanted.

Kyouko; all that would have been cool if not the "what do you think TTTT?"
Do you really need attention? Like, I can see you're working hard to get it. But c'mon...

First off, I said I would unvote if you explained, and you have. UNVOTE: Drone

However, you don't have a good one. At all. Yes, I am newbie, self-admitted. If you actually look into the example you gave, I was not conflicting myself. In the second post I clarify "my default position is town-leaning", which fits with my previous "shannon is sort of town". Being a noob does not mean I can't say other people aren't. I think you need to learn how to read better. Yes I know.

As for other people... Gerry is still lurking crazy. I realize that right now he's on V/LA, but he's still who I find scummiest. VOTE: gerrygoat

And to clarify, I didn't think you were the scummiest person all throughout having my vote on you, I just wasn't moving it until you spoke.

[gerryoat]

I clearly just explained I'm on vacation. I think you're town, but your reads are garb.

[Drone]

I clearly just explained I'm on vacation. I think you're town, but your reads are garb.

I support this one.


But please;
What do you think of TTTT and Kyouko?

[Titus]

We have 2 mls left before 5 way lylo assuming scum kills both nights. One lynch should be one of Titus/Drone to verify neighbor claims. Drone has been scummier than Titus and isn't a claimed PR so it should be him over Titus.

Titus have you looked around VC 1.20 when rb first hits L-1? Drone's unvote suggests scum imo

I will take a look, but why does it suggest scum to you?

Also, this whole lynch my hoodmate to verify accuracy is skeevy as shit.

[Raskolnikov]

Merry Christmas folks

Catching up

[Raskolnikov]

Can I get a scum lynch for my christmas present?

[Raskolnikov]

Rask, have you looked back at the D1 Impoetic wagon or read my case on her? Have a comment on any of that, you're really tunneling shannon as it is. Not that it's not compelling I just think scum!shannon can't avoid being lynched in 5-way and Impoetic is a big fat question mark that we should get rid of sooner rather than later

I see four points being made against her
a) overdefensive or reactive, self-conscious play.
b) d1 she assumed rb was town which qualifies as a "only scum know town" slip. Except I'd count this the opposite way to a townslip given rb scumflip; it doesn't make any sense why scum would accidentally refer to another scum as town, just logically I don't think that would happen unless she forgot rb was her partner or something like that.
c) titus's no result
d) lurking

I disagree with you on B being a bad thing, C is incredibly weak, D is more anti-town/policy than necessarily a tell and isn't really specific to impoetic. I only agree on A here but even that I'm not sure how much of is stylistic. If it's just that then shannon's been just as self-conscious in her play, but also has all the weirdness I pointed out and inconsistencies especially with her titus pushes.

[Raskolnikov]

There's a reason I didn't actually vote, let's put it that way. I wanted to see whether my expressed intention to vote would derail the wagon, given that lots of folks have a scum read on me.

Okay, so did it? What's your analysis here?

[Raskolnikov]

You said similar regarding your titus push d2 for information

1) It wasn't to get more info from Titus, it was to get more info about what people thought of her and who was going to add pressure, who was going to defend, who was going to react etc.

but I still can't find any analysis of any of this in your ISO. Both of these retroactively you've said was to get all this cool data to look at and use, and that would be OKAY, if there was any evidence ever you used it and did what you said you did.

But there's nothing, no mention of these things outside of answer here. It's really hard to believe you did both of these intentionally for information to analyse when you never do either, as opposed to just wanting both wagons to go through and retconing your reasoning for being in favour.

What you're basically describing in both of these is a reaction test. You're essentially saying you're reaction testing with both of these but not giving the results of the reaction tests. I believe if you actually were doing these for information that you'd use you WOULD use it and there'd be at least something in your ISO reflecting that, instead of never mentioning it in any of your game analysis or reads as a substantial point. Even just saying "I've tried to reaction test but I've gotten nothing useful or mixed results from it" would show it was at least in your mind and make it plausible but you never say anything about this except when I specifically asked for explanation behind your actions and and even then you don't really answer.

[Raskolnikov]

In an actual reaction test someone does something and expects one of several outcomes to follow. On whatever result comes you can say something about it, usually something substantial but sometimes not if it's an unexpected result. There's the test itself, and the follow-up.

The test has to be unexpected and to some extent dramatic (as not to be ignored)... Your push on titus for information is hard to buy as an intentional test when you literally said it was for information and not a real vote. Today your support of the impoetic lynch "reason", to see what would happen regarding the wagon, although not as bad, is very subtle and soft/weak for something expected to elicit reaction. An actual vote or failing that some stronger words would get some reaction but your post was just weak and literally everyone other than me just ignored it.

Still want to see the follow up too. What have you learned?

[Raskolnikov]

@TTTT what are your scumreads?
You look sort-of-okay with impoetic lynch but I'm not seeing you pushing something you'd prefer over it.

Also could you go into your shannon read?