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Post Post #4275 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:54 pm

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In post 4273, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i'm not fucking putting up with this

mcmenno is still scum but like gl we're not lynching in gerry/dunn without a guilty
McMenno claimed Masons with Gerry and Gerry didn't call bullshit.

Lynch McMenno, when he flips scum, lynch Gerry.
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Post Post #4276 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:54 pm

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how is it a waste?
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Post Post #4277 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:59 pm

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I'm probably going to be nightkilled for claiming the 7 of hearts, regardless of a cop inno.
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Post Post #4278 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:01 pm

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guys

guys

i'm masons with dunn, drealmerz, -grey-, and vecna

i'll be conf tomorrow and so will my buddies

mason buddies
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Post Post #4279 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:09 pm

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ooof I really hate using the term "mason" without the *knowing* part there - but I do feel pretty damn confident in giga being town :þ

wayyyy more than most people in most games I've been in too

I'm good with mcmenno for lunch - I actually had to refrain from jumping on those scumclaims when they happened and then I forgot about them because it's mcmenno and he's forgettable

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Post Post #4280 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:21 pm

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DECK x 38 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 22


DAY 4 VOTECOUNT #4


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- McMenno, gerryoat, Fishythefish, Mathblade
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- gigabyteTroubadour, -Grey-, Dunnstral, drealmerz7
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- Maxous, Lil Uzi Vert

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- ArcAngel9, davesaz, Vecna, SpyreX, TheWayItEnds, Kison

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.


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Post Post #4281 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:20 pm

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I don't get the Dunn wagon at all.

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Post Post #4282 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:14 pm

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In post 4275, -Grey- wrote:
In post 4273, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i'm not fucking putting up with this

mcmenno is still scum but like gl we're not lynching in gerry/dunn without a guilty
McMenno claimed Masons with Gerry and Gerry didn't call bullshit.

Lynch McMenno, when he flips scum, lynch Gerry.
Really? That is what you are going with? Masons isn't on the first page of the setup. Titus joked about thread masons. Boooo that is horribad.
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Post Post #4283 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:27 pm

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In post 4282, MathBlade wrote:Really? That is what you are going with?
If you were paying attention, you'd know that what I am going with is: McMenno was kraska's target before I redirected the shot so I'm going back to that.

That you're painting my intentions in that light based on a joke shows that you aren't analyzing the gamestate and you're just taking posts at face value, which is indicative of scum!Blade.
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Post Post #4284 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:57 pm

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In post 4164, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4155, Maxous wrote:I'm not voting menno.

Angel or dreal.
Interesting. Why do you say this?
What's interesting?
I don't think he's scummy.
Useless? Yeah. But not particularly scummy.

I'm further inclined not to touch the wagon after dreal's blatant bandwagon vote which he is continuously getting away with.
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Post Post #4285 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:00 pm

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In post 4281, davesaz wrote:I don't get the Dunn wagon at all.

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Post Post #4286 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:07 pm

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In post 4284, Maxous wrote:I'm further inclined not to touch the wagon after dreal's blatant bandwagon vote which he is continuously getting away with.
he's getting away with it because he's my mason buddy

we talked about voting mcscummy in our pt

obviously <:/
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Post Post #4287 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:07 pm

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Hmm
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Post Post #4288 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:09 pm

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In post 4279, drealmerz7 wrote:
I'm good with mcmenno for lunch - I actually had to refrain from jumping on those scumclaims when they happened and then I forgot about them because it's mcmenno and he's forgettable
@giga: did he talk about all this in the PT then?
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Post Post #4289 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:10 pm

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maxous you know we aren't masons right

everyone is a vt and can only get powers via cards, none of which are mason powers

right

but yeah he talked about that in the pt obviously
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Post Post #4290 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:18 pm

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If he's been chatting to you in a neighborhood these last couple of days then that could change things actually.
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Post Post #4291 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:20 pm

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obviously.

but no, i'm just... very, very, very, very sure that slot is town
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Post Post #4292 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:24 pm

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In post 4283, -Grey- wrote:
In post 4282, MathBlade wrote:Really? That is what you are going with?
If you were paying attention, you'd know that what I am going with is: McMenno was kraska's target before I redirected the shot so I'm going back to that.

That you're painting my intentions in that light based on a joke shows that you aren't analyzing the gamestate and you're just taking posts at face value, which is indicative of scum!Blade.
Interesting. I don't remember playing with you. Funny how you have picked up a common use nickname. *piles that away for later as I don't alt hunt*

Funny how people say things are indicative of my scum game when they aren't. I am only scumread as town.
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Post Post #4293 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:24 pm

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In post 4280, Quipla wrote:Image

DECK x 38 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 22


DAY 4 VOTECOUNT #4


Dunnstral (4)
- McMenno, gerryoat, Fishythefish, Mathblade
McMenno (4)
- gigabyteTroubadour, -Grey-, Dunnstral, drealmerz7
ArcAngel9 (2)
- Maxous, Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (6)
- ArcAngel9, davesaz, Vecna, SpyreX, TheWayItEnds, Kison

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.


Deadline is set for (expired on 2017-01-06 08:05:15).
VCA says that Dunnstral and McMenno is TvS discuss
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Post Post #4294 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:28 pm

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mcmenno is the scum here most likely but that's just in my imo opinion

dunn is a bad lynch anyway because if we're wrong about him being scum while lynching him, and gerry is town, then both 2 of diamonds are exposed to scum (this is following the assumption the unknown person with the 2 of diamonds is town, which I think is likely because a scum 2-of-diamonds can fakeclaim a different diamond neighborhood card with a very low chance of impunity and thus have let me suicide)

which is why if you want a dunn lynch (or gerry lynch) to be IC-approved you need a cop guilty with it
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Post Post #4295 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:32 pm

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That's actually very very interesting.
At this rate I think we could nearly PoE the scumteam.
Spoiler alert: it will include AA9's slot.

Lemme think about this in the morning.
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Post Post #4296 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:35 pm

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In post 3878, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:IF YOU RECEIVED FRUIT AT ANY POINT, please claim when!! Knowledge of what fruit vendors are in play will help me figure out what diamond cards are in the deck and better plan out night actions once the next 2 inventories necessary are completed.
^ no one got back to me on this btw

i think uzi said something but i don't remember if he said when specifically he received it, just that he did. but i would also like to know the when
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Post Post #4297 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:52 pm

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Ohh angel replaced milk? Yea that can go

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Post Post #4298 (ISO) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:17 pm

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Prodding ArcAngel9.
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Post Post #4299 (ISO) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:39 am

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I'm really surprised by the lack of interest in this. I'm going to lay out exactly what happened in the neighbourhood, and why I think it's likely that it makes Dunn scum. I think various people are dismissing this for no reason at all.
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of the people who have seen this post think it a likely scumslip. Writing that off without seeing it, and without asking a question about it, is not wise.

An account of the Diamonds hood

I've tried to keep this completely unopinionated. Dunn, shout if you think any of this is unfair or anything interesting is left out.

- A few posts of pleasantries.
- Dunn and McMenno briefly discuss gerry's alignment, and massclaim. gerry defends, pointing out that Maria was deflecting onto him
- Discussion of claims within the hood
- Dunn makes a comment on how it's sad there's no doc/watcher to protect giga.
- Some chat around gerry being sent fruit. Speculation about scum having a fruit vendor, which fizzles out when they remember Vecna claimed it.
- Dunn asks whether card spy seems town. gerry replies he doesn't see town wanting it.
- Dunn posts "Let's kill titus". This is the entirety of the post.

- gerry and McMenno call it a scumslip.
- Dunn says it wasn't a slip, he was talking to the hood.
- Dunn expresses frustration at delayed N3 deadline, and emphasises the he wants to kill Titus.
- Dunn proposes posting as if the hood was the scumteam (I think? Dunn - is that the right interpretation)?
- gerry and McMenno are clearly unconvinced.

My opinions on it

From town?

So, Dunn's claim is that he meant "let's lynch Titus". I find that claim unlikely:
- There had been zero comment in the neighbourhood on anyone's alignment outside the hood. It doesn't feel like a neighbourhood you're going to galvanise and build a wagon around.
- It's completely unexplained. There's no reasoning why Titus is scum - and remember, we just had a scumflip and a very significant claim from Titus.
- It proposes no action, makes no attempt at persuasion, nothing. All in all, I see this as a very unlikely post at that point in the neighbourhood conversation.
- The reaction to it in the hood reads to me like Dunn knows it's a dodgy post, and is trying to cover for it. If he's just unlucky town, you might see the same - but then I wouldn't expect the completely blase attitude he's shown to it in thread.
One point on the other side - Dunn wanting to lynch Titus is plausible; relevant posts are post 3725 and post 3595. The latter being particularly notable as containing the phrase "kill titus".

@Dunn: do you see why the neighbourhood post looks really dodgy? Can you explain any more about what you were thinking when you made it?


From scum?

It seems unlikely to be about the Grey shot. It would be bold scum indeed to go through with that after slipping it to the hood. More likely it was just about the kill the next day. Is that likely? Not sure. Scum could reasonably shoot at Titus for holding the King of Diamonds. Much more likely if the scum held the other one, I'd say.

Dunn's reaction

Is really poor. It looks like he thought he could steamroller McMenno and gerry, as he has a lot more weight/presence/whatever in the game. He called for their lynches repeatedly, and never talked to them. If Dunn is town here, I really think the natural conclusion from his POV is that he made a very unfortunate post, or
possibly
that McMenno and gerry (and now me) are being idiots jumping on something that obviously wasn't a scumslip. Either way, I'd really not expect him to attack McM and gerry as scum.

OTOH, he put me in the neighbourhood, which made his situation potentially a lot worse. Did he forget I'd be in the hood immediately? Dunno.

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In post 4265, Dunnstral wrote:And if I'm town, what do you think of the people pushing on me?
Whether or not your are town - I think the manner of their push was idiotic. I feel a bit like I'm trying to convince the town that the slip is significant, while they loiter behind me saying "ner ner, Dunn is scum". I see no earthly motivation from any alignment to come out and vote you cryptically, not claim anything, not explain anything, etc. If you are town - this episode wouldn't give me a scumread on anyone pushing it.

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