Code Geass Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Frozen Angel]

Suzaku Kururugi : To desire some results, one must take actions.

Vote Count 1.22

PainBringer (4): DarkInnocence, McMenno, DiamondSentinel, Klingoncelt
Klingoncelt (3): culted, PainBringer, Crystalline Dagger
Reasonably Rational (2): Drone, malpascp
randomidget (1): Vecna
davesaz (1): Aristophanes
Aristophanes (1): ssbm_Kyouko
BTD6_maker (1): KainTepes

Not Voting (6): BTD6_maker, Reasonably Rational, randomidget, keyXrb, Leonshade, davesaz

With 19 players alive it takes 10 votes to lynch.
Day 1 / Cupid Day ends in (expired on 2017-01-06 16:25:36)

Note: Klingoncelt is VLA till jan 2nd.
BTD6_maker is VLA from dec 26th till jan 5th.

[DiamondSentinel]

"it's me, Chara" is a direct quote from the game, and i prefer to be called Chara or Not Chara rather than an acronym like NC. does that answer? ;>

what can you tell me about the game? something to keep in mind while i reread?

Keep in mind that you shouldn't have your reading skewed by what anyone says before you read. It's good to always read fresh.

[Leonshade]

Welcome, Chara! I agree with the fresh read thing, a new perspective would be welcome.

[Reasonably Rational]

Yay Chara!

Hi!

You're still one of my favorites. ^^

Why are we lynching PB now? I'm very interested in how the 7 votes on random became 1.

-Cerb

[DiamondSentinel]

Bleargh. Once I get home today, I'm gonna do a reread. I'm not doing too well so far.

[Painbringer]

Bleargh. Once I get home today, I'm gonna do a reread. I'm not doing too well so far.

If you'd be a dear and focus on Gamma interactions after your push for a 1 v 1. If you're town, I hoping you'd see a logical inconsistency.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Why are we lynching PB now? I'm very interested in how the 7 votes on random became 1.

Random explained his inconsistency with Leon read was a "joke", sounds like baloney since it didn't seem like a joke at all.

Everyone at that up.

Also people are saying me and titus are lying about something and voting us. A few scum read us.
The lying part makes no sense.

[Painbringer]

And I am very happy to see you in this game Not Chara

~Fire

[Painbringer]

Why are we lynching PB now? I'm very interested in how the 7 votes on random became 1.

Random explained his inconsistency with Leon read was a "joke", sounds like baloney since it didn't seem like a joke at all.

Everyone at that up.

Also people are saying me and titus are lying about something and voting us. A few scum read us.
The lying part makes no sense.

None of it does Fire, but when you roll with me the closer you get to the truth, the more people press.

Welcome Not Chara.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

RR, do you see the problem here?

[Not Chara]

if it's as obvious a problem as it looks, then i see it too.

and thank you for the warm welcome! i've actually been following this game for a bit, so i have a relative grasp on the mechanics. i am a noble, and DiamondSentinel is town, though wrong about the utility of claiming flavour. it's a bad idea. if that's been established since i last read, my apologies.

[Painbringer]

if it's as obvious a problem as it looks, then i see it too.

and thank you for the warm welcome! i've actually been following this game for a bit, so i have a relative grasp on the mechanics. i am a noble, and DiamondSentinel is town, though wrong about the utility of claiming flavour. it's a bad idea. if that's been established since i last read, my apologies.

If RR, DS, and Klingon don't see either of the problems, do chime in. They're interrelated logical problems, so it could be considered the same one.

I think DS is town and pushing a wrong dichotomy. That much is accurate, but I'm not 100% on town!DS. I'd like your other reads as you develop them.

Also, are you voteless/lifeless today?

[Painbringer]

UNVOTE: Klingoncelt

[Not Chara]

i'll attempt to give a summary of important reads once i catch up/as i do.
i'll chime in, sure, but i'd like to see Rational's answer first.

yes, i'm voteless. i can confirm that if you'd like.

as for counting as a living player... according to Frozen, i don't. for the purposes of the votecount. i think i can be lynched, but i can't confirm. you could try voting me?

it's a passive ability, but claiming it further would just reveal my flavour. i can regain my vote somehow according to my role PM, but it would likely require the use of a Geass power on me.

pedit: what prompted that unvote?

[Painbringer]

VOTE: Not Chara

I'm following things through to the conclusions. I'll go step by step though because the alignments of RR, DS, and CD should make themselves a bit clearer with this push. I've gotten into bad bad fights with Grandma before, sometimes when I expect to much in terms of logical consistency from her. When she's logically inconsistent in favor of scum, I tend to jump to she IS scum when that's not always the case. Grandma isn't displaying the personality tells like with Suikoden that would be similar to her being scum, but she's spouting enough gibberish where I can't put her as clear yet.

~Titus

[davesaz]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

Given that fake generally means scum, and you think they're both fake, then how can you come to the conclusion they can't be scum together?

[Painbringer]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

Given that fake generally means scum, and you think they're both fake, then how can you come to the conclusion they can't be scum together?

Right, keep looking in detail Dave. Just take note of all the inconsistencies here. I am asking you to sit on this though because I want to test some others. Just follow it through.

[Reasonably Rational]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

RR, do you see the problem here?

Seems pretty obvious.

Does this mean if the town lynches you, you'll be suiciding to kill CD?

-Cerb

[Painbringer]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

RR, do you see the problem here?

Seems pretty obvious.

Does this mean if the town lynches you, you'll be suiciding to kill CD?

-Cerb

If the contradiction is obvious, why would the town be lynching me? Wouldn't the suicides be the other way around?

Just what is the logical problem with Gamma's postings? Since they are obvious, you should have no problem detailing them.

[Reasonably Rational]

Hmm.

Okay, so I read through randoms stuff.

His entreaty to have myself and klingon enter the game feels like it could come from a scum!him who knows that I like him and would want to keep him around, so he wants me to come in and defend him since I'm good at that sort of thing.

Counterbalancing this is the fact that I don't really see scum!random forgetting about a post he made 4 posts and 14 minutes earlier, and directly contradicting it. :-/

The wagon dissipation is quite concerning though.

:-/

In short, he needs to be killed. Maybe lynched, maybe vigged, but we probably can't let him stick around.

-Cerb

pedit: because town is dumb and a bunch of them are currently voting you, and I'd like to make sure you will definitely kill them if you end up killed via any means! And, I've only looked at this ONE post from gamma, but he suspects KC for being fake, while not attaching an equal level of scumminess to the post by DS that he calls fake.

[davesaz]

I misread Gamma as Grandma a couple of times.

[Painbringer]

Right.

Contradiction 1: Gamma calls DS fake, yet in the same post he's voting Klingon who "feels fake". (RR)
Contradiction 2: Gamma argues that DS is being fake with his dichotomy, but says that DS cannot be scum with either one. (Dave)
Contradiction 3: Gamma says that someone who is fake, cannot be scum with the person that feels fake. (Titus)

The most logical conclusion to draw with this is that Gamma has some alternative reason not to want to vote DS. That reason is either DS is town and pushing a dichotomy that Gamma likes or DS is scum and Gamma would like to focus elsewhere. Both of these lead to the impression that Klingon (Grandma) is town.

p-edit: I am sorry Dave. I'll try to limit calling Klingon by her nickname for awhile.

[Reasonably Rational]

(BTW, this scenario that's playing out right here, right now, is the EXACT reason why this stupid cupid day thing is dumb.

Now we have someone who is probscum, along with random quite possibly, and we just gave scum a free kill on a competent player because you decided to pair up with them.

...

-cerb

[Not Chara]

Cerb, let's put aside the obvious joke about random's read Leon for the moment. there's no inconsistency there.

how did you come to the conclusion random needs to die? just the wagon disappating (as they tend to do when they're built on nothing substantial), and that he called for you and klingon? the second is certainly a point, but one that could come from scum random.

i suppose what i'm asking is: what tipped the scales from 'i'm scumreading random' to 'he just needs to die at some point'. you say it matter of factly, but where does that conclusion come from?

[Painbringer]

UNVOTE:

Bad titus, ur not lynching Not Chara.
Not Chara is great.