Code Geass Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Crystalline Dagger]

I'm fairly certain that PB v. KC is TvS. With anyone else, it could be TvT, but since one of them is KC, I almost guarantee that it's TvS. So. I'm in favor of a 1v1 between them.

Wait - because it's me they're arguing with I'm autoScum? That makes no sense. I already posted that the three of us usually wind up Scumreading each other on Day1.

And you decide you'd like to see a 1v1 between us. Hmmm...

If it were just between me and Titus either one could go down. Fire in the hydra with Titus gives them a slight edge, but you aren't all that friendly to Fire, are you?

It looks to me like you don't care which of us gets lynched.

I know that I'm Town (Freedom) and now I'm thinking that maybe Painbringer might be Town. Because you're looking kinda Scummy right now.

UNVOTE:

Okay, look at this. Klingon got scared off his vote by a dichotomy. If he was town and so sure PB was scum he would have stayed on and braved the hate if/when PB flipped town. This reads like "this lynch will incriminate me so I'm gonna back off".
~GE

[Crystalline Dagger]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

VOTE: crystalline dagger

Really
~GE

[Crystalline Dagger]

'this is fake' is a pretty strong statement to make when you still think a player can't be scum due to a different read, Gamma.

Bit curious why you note this NOW.
~GE

[Crystalline Dagger]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

By sorting, I mean zolving what people might be thinking. You have zero progress towards figuring out which of me/klingon is scum, zero progress on gamma, zero progress on random and leonshade...zero on rb and rr. You're drifting and just posting a theory.

You did follow up a bit at first, but now, nope.

You should know more than anyone that this is my D1 play. You have played multiple games with me. I just present as many possible scenarios I can think of and then figure out which is true later on. I do substantially better mid to endgame than I do early-game.

So I seem to be vindicated in thinking DS did not have evil intent with that dichotomy
~GE

[DiamondSentinel]

Right.

Contradiction 1: Gamma calls DS fake, yet in the same post he's voting Klingon who "feels fake". (RR)
Contradiction 2: Gamma argues that DS is being fake with his dichotomy, but says that DS cannot be scum with either one. (Dave)
Contradiction 3: Gamma says that someone who is fake, cannot be scum with the person that feels fake. (Titus)

The most logical conclusion to draw with this is that Gamma has some alternative reason not to want to vote DS. That reason is either DS is town and pushing a dichotomy that Gamma likes or DS is scum and Gamma would like to focus elsewhere. Both of these lead to the impression that Klingon (Grandma) is town.

p-edit: I am sorry Dave. I'll try to limit calling Klingon by her nickname for awhile.

I felt DS was town and just wrong at that point. I still felt like the false dichotomy needed to be noted.
~GE

It's not a false dichotomy because it's not cause and effect. It's not a black and white deal, and I'm not saying it is. I'm say that I am reading that, out of the pair, at least one is scum. Exactly what you had just said.

[DiamondSentinel]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

By sorting, I mean zolving what people might be thinking. You have zero progress towards figuring out which of me/klingon is scum, zero progress on gamma, zero progress on random and leonshade...zero on rb and rr. You're drifting and just posting a theory.

You did follow up a bit at first, but now, nope.

You should know more than anyone that this is my D1 play. You have played multiple games with me. I just present as many possible scenarios I can think of and then figure out which is true later on. I do substantially better mid to endgame than I do early-game.

So I seem to be vindicated in thinking DS did not have evil intent with that dichotomy
~GE

Correct, Gamma. As I have repeatedly said, this is me separating the game into groups. It works well for the beginning because as flips stack up, it helps me clear up some of the misconceptions. It's my way of creating a townbloc

[BTD6_maker]

Sorry. My Internet here is worse than I expected. I am phone posting. Please don't replace me as I can post normally after the 5th.

[Painbringer]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

By sorting, I mean zolving what people might be thinking. You have zero progress towards figuring out which of me/klingon is scum, zero progress on gamma, zero progress on random and leonshade...zero on rb and rr. You're drifting and just posting a theory.

You did follow up a bit at first, but now, nope.

You should know more than anyone that this is my D1 play. You have played multiple games with me. I just present as many possible scenarios I can think of and then figure out which is true later on. I do substantially better mid to endgame than I do early-game.

So I seem to be vindicated in thinking DS did not have evil intent with that dichotomy
~GE

Correct, Gamma. As I have repeatedly said, this is me separating the game into groups. It works well for the beginning because as flips stack up, it helps me clear up some of the misconceptions. It's my way of creating a townbloc

This is the same move you used in Metal Gear Solid though is it not?

If you're legitimately dividing the party into groups, wouldn't you care which is accurate? Wouldn't you follow through?

[Vecna]

Did GE just talk his slot into near confirmed town status?

[Painbringer]

Did GE just talk his slot into near confirmed town status?

No.

GE is near universally scumread, but people do not want to kill me.

[DiamondSentinel]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

By sorting, I mean zolving what people might be thinking. You have zero progress towards figuring out which of me/klingon is scum, zero progress on gamma, zero progress on random and leonshade...zero on rb and rr. You're drifting and just posting a theory.

You did follow up a bit at first, but now, nope.

You should know more than anyone that this is my D1 play. You have played multiple games with me. I just present as many possible scenarios I can think of and then figure out which is true later on. I do substantially better mid to endgame than I do early-game.

So I seem to be vindicated in thinking DS did not have evil intent with that dichotomy
~GE

Correct, Gamma. As I have repeatedly said, this is me separating the game into groups. It works well for the beginning because as flips stack up, it helps me clear up some of the misconceptions. It's my way of creating a townbloc

This is the same move you used in Metal Gear Solid though is it not?

If you're legitimately dividing the party into groups, wouldn't you care which is accurate? Wouldn't you follow through?

In MGSV, I was scum, so if that's what you're arguing, ok. But unless I'm mistaken, it's not really what you're trying to argue.

Also, I don't care which one is accurate until it's accurate. I go with the Holmes philosophy:

"Once the impossible is ruled out, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

As my theories are ruled out, I pursue the ones that are left. I have no reason to care which of them are accurate. Once they are shown to be accurate, however, then I pursue them. I have no loyalty to any certain read over another. I don't care if someone is scum this game or not.

[Painbringer]

I am a fan of Holmes with a bit of scorched Earth myself. Yet, you don't seem to be throwing out more theories or narrowing things down. Where is the hunting?

You've been static.

[DiamondSentinel]

I am a fan of Holmes with a bit of scorched Earth myself. Yet, you don't seem to be throwing out more theories or narrowing things down. Where is the hunting?

You've been static.

That's just because I've yet to see anything new pop up. I have been making a couple here and there. But I'm trying to be a passive observer. Do it scientifically here.

[DiamondSentinel]

Don't get me wrong. I'm still going to be actively engaged in the game. I just don't do the whole "reaction tests" and whatever because, for starters, they are absolute bullshit. They never work anyways.

[Painbringer]

So which is it? You're a passive observer or actively engaged?

P.S. Reaction tests can be golden. I pulled one before that lead to a near flawless victory.

I have also learned a lot from the hat selection.

Tell me, who is scum in pink hats. Blue hats.

[DiamondSentinel]

So which is it? You're a passive observer or actively engaged?

P.S. Reaction tests can be golden. I pulled one before that lead to a near flawless victory.

I have also learned a lot from the hat selection.

Tell me, who is scum in pink hats. Blue hats.

Just realized that she could be completely lying about the hat ability, since it wasn't in the lavender/purple color.

ANYWAYS.

Wow, there are a lot more pink than blue hats. I knew there were more, but not that many more.

I can't give you a strict readlist. Half of them I can hardly remember their posts since the game has been filled with the same people posting. But I'll go through and give you a general readlist. I don't feel like giving one based on one side or another.

[DiamondSentinel]

Damn, this is the second 50+ page game I've reviewed in 24 hours.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

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Knew I should have prodged before bed last night. I got my ears gauged yesterday

Did GE just talk his slot into near confirmed town status?

No.

GE is near universally scumread, but people do not want to kill me.

I saw something like 4 players or so saying GE was scummy for some cog dissonance that people were calling bad logic or something, doesn't translate to "universally scumread but people want to keep PB alive" to me. Also if anyone is scum and their partner is town it's worth lynching scum so don't act like the life of any town (barring certain PRs) should be a reason not to lynch them.

Chara is sending mixed signals. Started off liking their posts but I think they're wrong about scum!culted because I don't get the feeling culted is talking circles around DI, more like DI is being difficult intentionally. Need more of the Shadow_Step head because Maria is always difficult it seems.

I'm still waiting a reply in my lover's PT @keyxrb, did you forget to bookmark it or do you intend to die with me eventually?

[DiamondSentinel]

Hey Titus, can you comment on your box that you said you had? Did it only say box on it? Also, how did you know about this dance thing? I suspect you're lying about your abilities, again. Every time I look at it, I feel like you're lying.

Also, I know I shouldn't go searching for a 3P already, but I am fairly certain Not Chara is 3P.

[DiamondSentinel]

Exactly. If roles are heavily influenced by flavor, flavorclaiming is a VERY good idea. I know almost for a fact that scum have fakeclaims (FA always gives good fakeclaims), so, by forcing a fakeclaim now, as actions start piling up, discrepancies will become apparent. The weakness in all fakeclaims is the fact that the owner's actions CAN NOT match up with the actions the fakeclaim would take. They simply cannot.

I'm quoting this again because I still stand by this mentality.

[Painbringer]

Hey Titus, can you comment on your box that you said you had? Did it only say box on it? Also, how did you know about this dance thing? I suspect you're lying about your abilities, again. Every time I look at it, I feel like you're lying.

Also, I know I shouldn't go searching for a 3P already, but I am fairly certain Not Chara is 3P.

I'll grab the quotes from my ISO again. I am not particularly keen on repeating myself, when it's the only thing remotely close to analysis you have done. We've had the conversation a lot Diamond.

While I do that, I expect your reads.

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, the more I read Chara's role PM, the more I think that they are either 3P or town. I am 99% confident that they aren't main-scum.

PEdit: I'm currently rereading the game, so you'll get the reads eventually. Also, it doesn't matter how often we have this conversation. The more I read these parts, the more I doubt your explanations.

[DiamondSentinel]

Role explanation*

[Painbringer]

okay
what is this pandora stuff about -_____-

Opening Pandora's box means you'll get information or something will happen but you got no clue what.

I opened Pandora's box by Meowing.

So yeah, the Cupid Day is me but I am just as informed as anyone else about this.

~Titus

Oh and opening Pandora's box also means there is no going back.

so then does the thing in your pm imply we become lovers?
if so we should probably make sure scummy people are paired with the people most likely to be nightkilled early on

Nope. My role PM says Meow and an event triggers. That's it. I know nothing.

I drew the same inference, but it could be hoods too.

Time to dance.
Who wants to be my dance partner?

I am looking at you Darkinnocence

Wrong game bruh

~Ss

my role pm says i was invited to a dance. if ur not interested shadow, I will ask rb, he likes us.

Ok, well if it could be anything, what would you hope for?

I ask because I got no clue what we just did.

okay
what is this pandora stuff about -_____-

Opening Pandora's box means you'll get information or something will happen but you got no clue what.

I opened Pandora's box by Meowing.

So yeah, the Cupid Day is me but I am just as informed as anyone else about this.

~Titus

It was not shitposting. We just literally didn't know what it did. We didn't want to step on toes either. So what the fork since rb made the game unreadable anyway, let's do it. No one had objections anyway or likely day plans. Let's help get reads, whatever it is.

~Titus

so then does the thing in your pm imply we become lovers?
if so we should probably make sure scummy people are paired with the people most likely to be nightkilled early on

Nope. My role PM says Meow and an event triggers. That's it. I know nothing.

I drew the same inference, but it could be hoods too.

So really early on you say your role PM tells you about a dance (a couple's mechanic from what I understand, never been in a dance game), but then you say you didn't know what would happen, so which is it?

I also agree. There is definitely an inconsistency. Especially since there is no flavortext on my Role PM.

No. Our role PM says an event happens. We triggered our event. Cupid Day happens. We deduce we are the owners of Cupid Day. Nothing about it (dance or otherwise) is in our PM. Also, given the name of the person (Milly Ashford) is our role PM, we are pretty sure it is us. Zero contradiction.

So DS, no flavor? Not even ability name trigger?

~Titus

You distinctly said something about a dance.

But no. There is 100% no flavor on my rolecard.

In RVS.

This thing here isn't related.

Dancing is an expression for sorting people.

~Titus

So you believe it was my deliberare plan as either alignment to contradict my hydra partner, repeatedly? Call RR's attention to said contradiction? Trigger our ability (which is not a dance btw) that is protown to make Fire look stupid?

Do you believe be to be the biggest braindead asshole to Fire?

[Painbringer]

Also, the more I read Chara's role PM, the more I think that they are either 3P or town. I am 99% confident that they aren't main-scum.

PEdit: I'm currently rereading the game, so you'll get the reads eventually. Also, it doesn't matter how often we have this conversation. The more I read these parts, the more I doubt your explanations.

Then you're not asking at all. You're just shading and stalling the game.

When I push you forward, you repeat the same questions over and over.

You are not solving anything.