In Memory

[RadiantCowbells]

Votecount later on this page.

[boring]

Boring: you said d7 was your top scumread so why are you making jaereed's flash wagon your alt wagon?

I feel less conflicted about Kuroi.

@Klingoncelt, can you ghost-bubble me too? It sounds kind of fun.

[Klingoncelt]

Boring: you said d7 was your top scumread so why are you making jaereed's flash wagon your alt wagon?

I feel less conflicted about Kuroi.

@Klingoncelt, can you ghost-bubble me too? It sounds kind of fun.

I was only able to do it once.

Maybe Lycan can do something -

Lyncanfire, what does Requested Soulbinder do?

[Postie]

no shit i was trying to play a certain way. the best use of my role is baiting an nk. anyone can do vca. i wasn't rushing to prove my town status was something i was doing as far back as day 1. i was hoping if scum knew i was playing conservatively they'd shoot me.

In a role madness game?

Oh yeah and Lycan pls answer this ty.

[JaeReed]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68970

^ someone remind me (maybe after 24ish hours?) to review this? d7 scum, boring town. I think boring might have replaced into a scummy slot so I want to check how she handles it there as well. Didn't realize it ended -.- but I skimmed d7 there when the game was still ongoing after he flipped and thought the tone was diff to here. Just..can't look into it right now q.q new years stuff about to start.

[The DEO]

Regardless of Boring's alignment, scum are avoiding the boring wagon.

This was Titus head.

Math head V/LA til Monday

-- Math

[The DEO]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68970

^ someone remind me (maybe after 24ish hours?) to review this? d7 scum, boring town. I think boring might have replaced into a scummy slot so I want to check how she handles it there as well. Didn't realize it ended -.- but I skimmed d7 there when the game was still ongoing after he flipped and thought the tone was diff to here. Just..can't look into it right now q.q new years stuff about to start.

Review that.

-- Math

But boring is the lynch today. Stop shopping like lynches are Black Friday sales for unicorns.

[RadiantCowbells]

In Memory

Votecount 2.67:

Boring (7): Creeps20, KuroiXHF, The DEO, drealmerz7, Creature, Vaxkiller, Klingoncelt
KuroiXHF (2): JaeReed, Boring
LycanFire (1): ɀefiend
drealmersz7 (1): LycanFire
Creature (0):
The DEO (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Vaxkiller (0):
Postie (0):
Creeps20 (0):
JaeReed (0):
ɀefiend (0):
Klingoncelt (0):
Deimos27 (0):

Not Voting: Postie, Gamma Emerald, Deimos27

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2017-01-03 12:00:00).

Mhsmith0 replaces Deimos27. Full lobby again, no prods! Yay!

[Creature]

VOTE: mhsmith0

[mhsmith0]

And hello to you too creature

[mhsmith0]

At any rate I'm a bit less available this afternoon, will catch up more tonight or likelier tomorow.

[Creature]

When's your large normal starting?

[Creeps20]

In Memory

Votecount 2.66:

Boring (7): Creeps20, KuroiXHF, The DEO, drealmerz7, Creature, Vaxkiller, Klingoncelt
KuroiXHF (2): JaeReed, Boring
LycanFire (1): ɀefiend
drealmersz7 (0):
Creature (0):
The DEO (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Vaxkiller (0):
Postie (0):
Creeps20 (0):
JaeReed (0):
ɀefiend (0):
Klingoncelt (0):
Deimos27 (0):

Not Voting: Postie, Gamma Emerald, Deimos27, LycanFire

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2017-01-03 12:00:00).

Still seeking replacements!

Is that a counter wagon to boring's?

[Creeps20]

Hello?

[Postie]

If you can call two people a wagon then sure.

[Creeps20]

If you can call two people a wagon then sure.

I call one vote a wagon so yes I do :p

[boring]

@Creeps20, Kuroi is the biggest not-boring wagon (with twice the numbers of any other counters!) Feel free to join us.

@mhsmith0, hi! Please be town.

@Everyone, Happy New Year from a boring drunk and her snoring spousyman! 2017 is a really funky number.

[KuroiXHF]

Feel free but you're wasting your time.

[Creeps20]

@Creeps20, Kuroi is the biggest not-boring wagon (with twice the numbers of any other counters!) Feel free to join us.

@mhsmith0, hi! Please be town.

@Everyone, Happy New Year from a boring drunk and her snoring spousyman! 2017 is a really funky number.

I would rather vote the scum. Thank you very much.

[ɀefiend]

Postie I don't want an apathy lynch on someone I think might be town though. If we can turn this around we might be more likely to get a scum lynch. It's also worth thinking about whether RachMarie would replace out as scum in this situation. boring wanted to put something in the thread more than what RM had to make it worthwhile and idunno if their dropping off after that was more like, holidays and not knowing how to go hard to save the slot rather than a scum dropoff of "well I tried" y'know?

I actually tend to agree with KTS a lot and I think I should go for it if it's something we're both feeling because it's confirmation I'm on the right track and he's pre good at reading ppl as well.

{Postie, KC, DEO}
{Lycan, boring, Deimos}
{zefiend}
{Creature, drealmerz7, Vaxkiller}
{Creeps}
{Kuroi, Gamma}

Holy shit this post came out of nowhere. If I'm reading the tiers right, you have Lycanfire and boring as Town-leans?

Something is pinging me about your progression of these reads. Like, there's a lot of speculation involved:
- KC is being 100% truthful about KTS thing
- (presumably) buying Lycanfire's claim & story
- RM replacing out for strategic reasons
- boring's effort being AI

These are just the things that jump out at me so if you could clarify/explain, that'd be great. I'm going to ISO dive you in the meantime because honestly I've been skimming a lot of your posts (when the game was moving much faster).

I don't have set categories for the tiers. Higher up is the more townie I think someone is.

I think I'd talked about KC earlier, but boring summed that up nicely. KC's claim isn't something I would have imagined her to think up on her own, and she has convincingly given content that I believe has indeed come from KTS.

Lycanfire's claim...he hasn't really claimed as far as I'm concerned. Apart from the delayed death thing or w/e it was. My change on Lycanfire is that he's acting so damn disillusioned that it's actually making me think he's town by this stage. I have less confidence in that one because it's entirely tonal but I rarely see scum that can convincingly pull off the "let's antagonize the townies after my head further" line of attack that he's taking here. More often it comes from town that think they're being pushed by scum.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying about the RM replacing out for strategic reasons. I'm saying that I believe it's more likely she's replaced out as town than scum, given she clearly thought she was being run up for being V/LA rather than for her content. As scum in that situation I'd expect some bullshitting to put out something, which RM would have an easier time doing than as town where she has to actually read what's being put in the game and think about what that means with regards to someone's alignment. That or more lurking while waiting out her lynch. It's obviously not a strong indicator because it could just boil down to her not wanting to play anymore as either alignment but it's a supporting factor.

If boring's effort alone was AI then I'd still think she's scum, because she put in that small amount of effort and dropped off. I'm reading her as a newbie that had one good scum game, replaced into a bad slot, and is trying to make the lynch at least worth something without thinking she can turn it around. It's the trying to make the lynch worth something that gave me pause to think about because as scum in a slot that you don't think you can save you don't want to draw more associates. You just want to go quietly into the night, so to speak, unless you think that putting out some good content will save you, in which case I'd expect boring to have fought this harder rather than put out some content then go "welp not much more to do here" attitude-wise.

Re tiers/Lycanfire: your tonal read on Lycanfire is not something I can debate, however I will say that in the game I played with him as Town he was much more composed than here. The surprising thing about your reads is that he and boring are on the same tier.

Re KC: if she's scum then coaching is a thing. I'm asking you to look at it in the context of KC's voting patterns which don't perfectly align (IMO) with her thought processes.

Re RM: exactly!! why I am suggesting it could be strategic - you are considering that only a townie would be frustrated by being wagoned for fake V/LA-ing.

Re boring: it sounds like you still scumread her so what's the appeal of a flash wagon on Kuroui?

[Klingoncelt]

Happy New Year, everyone!

[Creeps20]

Happy New Year, everyone!

Happy new year to you, too!

[The DEO]

Less than two days left.

Oh and FYI I don't think Rach Marie was fake V/LA obv it is a matter of when Town she leaves something to go off of and instantaneously posts reads. Neither happened here.

Boring is the lynch for today.

-- Math

[Postie]

Literally nothing is happening so can we stop unecessarily drawing this out and throw boring into the fires of Mount Doom now TIA

[JaeReed]

I'm waiting for smith to put put his opinions before hammering at this point. I tossed up refusing to hammer but I figure we'll end up having this same dance the next day phase if I did that :/