Code Geass Mafia (Game Over?!)

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Hi.

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Don't use an apostrophe in a plural unless it's an abbreviation/acronym, boyee

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Don't use an apostrophe in a plural unless it's an abbreviation/acronym, boyee

Being fixated on apostrophe's (HE-HE) when you could be fixated on the marvel that is the alpaca........you must be some sort of abberation from the 16th dimension

Incorrect. The 16th dimension is full of 30 foot tall pigs.

I'm from the 14th dimension. It's this weird sort of love child between Tolkien fantasy and Neuromancer Cyberpunk stuff. It's really cool, and, would it not result in your incredibly messy, untimely deaths, I would totally invite all of you guys there.

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Shall we start off with a flavorclaim? I don't know the flavor well, but I know that some of you will.

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Exactly. If roles are heavily influenced by flavor, flavorclaiming is a VERY good idea. I know almost for a fact that scum have fakeclaims (FA always gives good fakeclaims), so, by forcing a fakeclaim now, as actions start piling up, discrepancies will become apparent. The weakness in all fakeclaims is the fact that the owner's actions CAN NOT match up with the actions the fakeclaim would take. They simply cannot.

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VOTE DIAMOND SENTINEL LAMPEROUGE,, he is the FLAVOR FISHER and is not RESPONDING TO MY QUETIONS

You didn't give any questions. And please stop typing in caps, or I will be compelled to completely ignore you for the remainder of the game.

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Exactly. If roles are heavily influenced by flavor, flavorclaiming is a VERY good idea. I know almost for a fact that scum have fakeclaims (FA always gives good fakeclaims), so, by forcing a fakeclaim now, as actions start piling up, discrepancies will become apparent. The weakness in all fakeclaims is the fact that the owner's actions CAN NOT match up with the actions the fakeclaim would take. They simply cannot.

this is so town.

Merci Beaucoup

Just so everyone knows.
I am a royal, I am hard claiming that part of role pm now.

So like if you want to pledge loyalty and stuff, sure we can do that.

Ok. I'm not a royal, but I can't say that I'll pledge loyalty yet.

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VOTE: KainTepes

Yeah, not dealing with this right now.

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Vecna and KainTepes, please either stop trolling or just leave the game.

It's not enjoyable for anyone.

Anyways, gamewise, I'm tempted to say that Leon is town, mechanically, but this is a bastard game, so I can't make any sort of mechanical analyses.

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Also, Painbringer. Which one of you is Zeus and which is the one that doesn't sign?

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why are you all reading leon as town?

Never said I was.

Also, Painbringer. Which one of you is Zeus and which is the one that doesn't sign?

if you can't tell i don't know how me telling you will help you.

I haven't played with either one of you for ages. Also, I don't really retain any sort of "read" or "feeling", so to say that "since I've played with you guys before I should recognize your tone" is a ridiculous expectation.

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I haven't played with either one of you for ages. Also, I don't really retain any sort of "read" or "feeling", so to say that "since I've played with you guys before I should recognize your tone" is a ridiculous expectation.

i meant what purpose would it be for me to tell you if you can't find out the difference. did you want to be able to meta read us or something?

for record non sign has been me, and pandora has been titus.
and zeus has been me

No. I just want to know which is which.

Although I can read Titus down to a T.

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We've been playing less than 8 hours. I will not have one until a day has gone by, at the very least.

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We've been playing less than 8 hours. I will not have one until a day has gone by, at the very least.

You don't feel like this day has some solid base for reads so far?

Not yet. tbh, I've really just skimmed so far.

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KainTepes and Vecna seriously need to shut up or be policy lynched. They are creating noise behind which scum can hide.

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I saw Warhammer, and immediately thought "HERESEY".

But then I realized it was Warhammer, not Warhammer 40k

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Oh. keyXrb is keyen...

Joy

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I saw Warhammer, and immediately thought "HERESEY".

But then I realized it was Warhammer, not Warhammer 40k

yer OMG how can ppl prefer one nerd activity over another what HERETICS

Well, I really prefer Shadowrun and DnD 3.5E to W40k, but W40k is also very good.

also the only person who's posted so far is me, rb, the one, the only

I know. It's just that I shudder in anticipation...

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I also shudder in anticipation of who will get the pagetop.

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Oh look! It's me!

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sup nerds and pandora

Alpaca seems to be without a vote. I think Leonshade stole it with an EVIL GEASS SPELL

VOTE: Leonshade

Hey this guy stole someone's vote

So you're claiming vote stealer?

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I think the fact that Leonshade has 2 votes and AlpacaAlpaca has 0 votes points to Leonshade stole AlpacaAlpaca's vote. I've never played in a game with vote mechanics like that though, is it to be expected that AlpacaAlpaca's lack of a vote is unrelated to Leonshade having 2?

Does vote stealer get to give the vote to a different person or do they just take it for themselves? I don't get how you come to this ("So you're claiming vote stealer?") conclusion.

Sometimes the vote just goes away. That's what I was wondering.

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Painbringer did

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Painbringer is the only one I remember even posting.

I know the others have, but I can't remember them actually doing it.

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While I do believe that this is scum!titus right now, it's not a hill I'm willing to die on.

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I wonder if i should feel insulted that people refer to this as Titus, when 90% of the posts have been from me.
or should i just think people are idiots who can't tell the difference between us?

Exactly my point. There are 2 people who I can say with confidence are scum when they give low content.

Titus and ABR.

I have yet to be proven wrong.

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explain why Ds is more scummier than the VECNA??

DS is always scum.

-Cerb

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I'm not scum this time. Also, I wasn't scum in UNI MUM... (I was the only GOD DAMN VT IN THAT ENTIRE FUCKING GAME GOD DAMN IT)

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Although I do have a surprisingly high rate of scum to town when I'm in a game with you.

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Still hating this game. Particularly 90% of the people in it.

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Still hating this game. Particularly 90% of the people in it.

stop taking it seriously and you might enjoy yourself.
this game is 90% shit posting.

It is literally impossible for me to enjoy shitposting. If I'm going to joke around in a mafia game, I'll post memes or images or similar. Or crack jokes. Shitposting is not, has never been, and will never be funny to me.

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I do not support a keyXrb wagon.

I support a vecna wagon.

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All the people currently voting me will be marked for death if theyre still voting me in 24 hours

Then stop shitposting and actually do town things.

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Ive done a lot more town things than you have so far.

I consider your constant whining about the players in this game an even greater offense, but you dont see me trying to spin it into somethings its not.

I didn't say that I've done a lot of town things. I haven't done much.

However, you, on the other hand, are, to quote Questionable Content, "Not so much as underachiever as you are an

anti

achiever." You're hurting the gamestate, whereas I'm just not doing anything to it.

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Bingo.

It also happens to be a -very- common scum practise.

Which is the type of practise im flushing out.

Currently we have 5 biters.

Oh so it was a REACTION TEST all along,,,

Yeah I don't believe that bullshit for a second.

I would calmly request a vig on Vecna.

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BestTown:

KAINTEPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Town: Vecna, DS (Something changed my mind on this one)
Scum: kraska, Titus, Randomidget

DiamondSent I'm gonna stop shitposting but I need you to do one thing for me which is start trying to solve the game and find scum. That's the deal. I know you can find them even though I don't like talking to you 90% of the time, so I'm just gonna give you room to do your thing since I think you're town.

Thanks.

I can find scum, and solve the game. I just can't do it when there isn't any serious content to sift through. So, once again, thanks.

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I thought I had moved over earlier, but VOTE: Vecna.

I know for a fact that KT is just a generally trolly player. My read on Vecna does not have that luxury.

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Also, if you can actually explain townreads, they are likely faked.

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Titus, can it. kxrb is pretty obviously town right now.

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Also, if you can actually explain townreads, they are likely faked.

I actually really like you when you arent being angry

Most people do online.

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Titus, can it. kxrb is pretty obviously town right now.

if you can't tell who the fuck is posting, don't bother fucking replying.

Oh? This is Firebringer?

That's even better!

That means it deserves even LESS merit. You see, I assumed it was Titus because if it was, I would actually consider it worth my time to read.

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ds is definitely town.
no one can go under my skin like him as town.

It's my superpower.

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DS i think painbringer is scum, dont YOU?

They are a solid null!scum.

Fire stepped out rb. It's me or wait at the moment. No thoughts on the posts I quoted? Ok then.

DS, why haven'y you got under my skin then. Am I your kryptonite armored with too much moon power?

~Pandora

Because you do that tyou me.

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to*

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Additionally, Titus, in order for something to be moon logic, it has to reach a correct conclusion. Something you haven't done in recent games.

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I think that you're attempting to inflate your own ego. But I have no idea because there is no context or even reason why you quoted those.

Also, I might be looking at the wrong quote. I dunno.

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No. You probably are.

The Blackest Magic quote is a known scum (finished game) suggesting to policy lynch me before I was able to do VCA.

The rb quote is suggesting policy lynching me before I talk.

The tones mirror quite closely.

When was the last time we T v Ted?

P.S. I was pretty spot on in Wake's game.

You and I? Hmm, it would be Machina, maybe. We tend to be opposite alignments.

Or are you talking about you and rb.

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Kid, watch yourself. Her logic may be faulty, but it doesn't call for that kind of slander.

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Kid, watch yourself. Her logic may be faulty, but it doesn't call for that kind of slander.

it really, really does because i can't actually play a single fucking theme game without having Titus tunnel me for some fucking SHIT reason, and people listen to her because this one time in a galaxy far, far away they saw her solve a game and it was cool. and so they eat up this shitty logic and i actually have to waste time arguing over the fucking DUMBEST SHIT

Then don't play games with her.

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1. You just said that MathBlade was just like her.
2. That's faulty logic in itself, but I can't judge the merit of the conclusion at this point. Too soon.

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There are 2 people who I can say with confidence are scum when they give low content.

Titus and ABR.

I have yet to be proven wrong.

ABR's done low volume as Town.

This being a holiday week I wouldn't look too hard at anyone's post count.

ABR isn't in this game. It wasn't important.

And I didn't say I was looking too hard at it. Besides, the games been up how long? Yeah, not worth commenting on.

PEdit: Well, not every game, although the percentage of games I hate is drastically increasing recently.

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@CD - I dunno. It's probably because I've got nigh-crimpling social anxiety, combined with a hero complex and an ego that not even Charlie Sheen can match and enough teenage angst to make a goth band call a therapist.

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@CD - I dunno. It's probably because I've got nigh-crimpling social anxiety, combined with a hero complex and an ego that not even Charlie Sheen can match and enough teenage angst to make a goth band call a therapist.

Welk as long as you're not hating people for no reason I don't really mind, you seem to have a lot on your plate
~GE

Eh, some of it was exaggeration (but I won't tell you which. It's a fun little psychological puzzle for you to deal with, if you really care ^_^).

Anyways, no, I'm definitely self-medicating by not being such a bitch all the time, so that's why I'm telling people to stop hating on others. I figure if I don't tolerate anyone else doing it, I can't tolerate myself doing it.

Self-medication is fun! (when it doesn't involve alcohol)

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My vote on DS was because their ISO up to that point was nothing but making excuses to not play the game, but if that's just their normal meta, it's not much of a tell.

Bingo.

It also happens to be a -very- common scum practise.

Which is the type of practise im flushing out.

Currently we have 5 biters.

So do you think you caught the entire scumteam? Or did your "reaction test" fail because too many people fell for it?

I vote for Klingoncelt and their game improves immediately, I take full credit for this.

I guarantee you theres at least 1-2 scum on me. Its all part of the puzzle, and ill reflect on it later.

This is something that scum would say that's actually true. Granted, it doesn't tell us much, but it's still useful to know and it wont persuade me to move my vote.

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Someday I'm going to steal your pagetop, FA.

Someday...

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DS anything you'd like to talk about?

I'd like all of our nobles to talk more. I don't plan on pledging until I'm confident one is town, so I need more talk.

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Oh and who was talking about my page tops?

That was me. I'm going to steal them one of these days.

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I would request that keyxrb and PB stop posting to let the other people get a word in.

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I know painbringer's thoughts on Keyrb but what is your thoughts on the hydra DS?

PB-Looks scummy. No way around that.
KeyxRb-Can go either way. Rb spent a good amount of time trolling, and is now pissed that people refuse to take his word with any grain of salt. Well, sucks for you, but that's what happens when all you do is troll.

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Meow!

I really hope this is you using an ability.

You can't possibly fathom how much I want it to be that.

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What do you want it to be?

I don't care. I just want an ability in this game named "MEOW!"

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Ok, well if it could be anything, what would you hope for?

I ask because I got no clue what we just did.

I dunno. Itd be one without a target. So it'd likely make you unlynchable for the day. Which I don't care for.

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HAHAHA. I LOVE IT ALREADY.

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P.S. thanks 4 pagetop

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Who's going to be the first to declare?! Not me. I am a strict conformist.

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Actually, fuck it! I'll go with my character's gender! Which is

Pink

! (Such flavorclaim, very information, wow)

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Oh, so it WAS an ability.

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Im sorry. I guess I completely misunderstood that all of that business about Pandora's box really was pertinent and not just shitposting.

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Use color=pink, guys!

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Don't click it from the table list. Just type out your tags.

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Dang it. I was gonna steal this one too.

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I'll take it.

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I'll take it.

Why would you accept this but not accept the open invitation to have people attempt to pledge to us?

-Cerb

Because I prefer an uncertain result to one that I know the result of.

I know what happens when I pledge to someone. I don't know what comes of this.

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That makes one of us. Care to enlighten us?

With an uncertain result, there's no use fretting about it. I prefer that.

With a certain result, you have yourself to blame, and you have to worry about how you use it.

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I'd like it if we claimed who had a nightmare to start off with, because I expect at least one scum to, but I feel like everyone would start a lynch mob if I actually suggested it

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I'd like it if we claimed who had a nightmare to start off with, because I expect at least one scum to, but I feel like everyone would start a lynch mob if I actually suggested it

Knightmares= immunity to most geass powers. It seems quite foolhardy to tell scum who they shouldn't use their geass powers on.

-Cerb

It also seems foolhardy to let town waste their geass powers on knightmares.

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You know suspiciously much.

Also, pagetop

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It doesn't seem to talk about those kind of interactions, because I read it.

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It does explain the order of action resolution in the OP, it just looks like he knows more because he's describing a situation

I understand the AR just fine.

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Ok, thanks for clarifying that. That was partially why I was suspicious. Because it didn't measure up to what we were given.

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Replace me

Sorry frozen, this game looks like fun and has been fun so far but

I'm gonna stop playing mafia, mafias not for me, it upsets me too much. And life's hectic as of late and mafias a time sink

(i think im leaving the site in general too. So Pm me if u guys would like to keep in touch ^_^)

Well, it was fun knowing you.

Good luck in your future endeavors!

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Oh ho ho!

I like this mechanic.

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@Mod: Does this mechanic span all the way to LyLo?

Basically, in a hypothetical LyLo with a scum and a town in a pair, and one other, if the town in the pair got mislynched, could they opt to have the other member in the pair suicide?

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So basically the wincons of scum have the "Until nothing can stop you from controlling the town" addendum. Just making sure.

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Spit it out. Not saying it only hurts town, because odds are, scum already know about it.

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Spit it out. Not saying it only hurts town, because odds are, scum already know about it.

This is logic I can't agree with.

-Cerb

Cerberus, please tell me the last time "don't tell town stuff" worked in town's favor.

PLEASE.

Because I have never seen it work and somehow it's worked its way into "site meta"

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I'm on mobile, so I can't check easily, but could someone get me a list of who chose a pink hat?

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I'm on mobile, so I can't check easily, but could someone get me a list of who chose a pink hat?

Pink Hats! : davesaz, Reasonably Rational, kraska77, AlpacaAlpaca , DiamondSentinel, keyXrb, DarkInnocence, Painbringer, Klingoncelt, KainTepes, Vecna, randomidget

Blue Hats! : BTD6_maker, malpascp, Crystalline Dagger, McMenno, Leonshade, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone, culted

Who chose it.

Some people got theirs by default since their character is female.

If they didn't submit a choice, they just got their flavor's gender.

I'm not that lazy.

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Steal hat from Painbringer

Pink steals from blue, iirc...

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I'm on mobile, so I can't check easily, but could someone get me a list of who chose a pink hat?

Pink Hats! : davesaz, Reasonably Rational, kraska77, AlpacaAlpaca , DiamondSentinel, keyXrb, DarkInnocence, Painbringer, Klingoncelt, KainTepes, Vecna, randomidget

Blue Hats! : BTD6_maker, malpascp, Crystalline Dagger, McMenno, Leonshade, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone, culted

Who chose it.

Some people got theirs by default since their character is female.

If they didn't submit a choice, they just got their flavor's gender.

I'm not that lazy.

Ooooh!

That I can't help with then.
Unless we did so publicly?

All hats were chosen publicly. It was a requirement.

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Meh.

Anyways, regardless of the mechanic, I would guess scum would have been more likely to choose pink than blue. So, food for thought.

I'm not saying it's a Hill I'd be willing to die on, but it might be worth some merit to pursue.

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Yeah, pink was revealed to choose later.

Disregard my "3 minutes after waking up" posts. I'm rarely thinking straight during them

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Stop with the bullshit mystical "I know something and am alluding to it but I'm not going to tell you".

Either people use it or they don't. I plan on using it. You don't have to if you don't want to. Simple as that.

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I actually have no idea how this benefits town. Hoods are shit, anything in a PT should just be said in the main thread.

forgot i was even in a hydra tbh

Hoods are nice because people refuse to abide by those things.

I love how the same people who refuse to say things to town are the ones arguing against PTs.

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I actually have no idea how this benefits town. Hoods are shit, anything in a PT should just be said in the main thread.

forgot i was even in a hydra tbh

Hoods are nice because people refuse to abide by those things.

I love how the same people who refuse to say things to town are the ones arguing against PTs.

I'm saying it after picking phase so scum don't wifom me

You're still scum.

i am town but i want a girlfriend,, KALLEN TEPES is lonely.........

Stfu

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Because at first, you seemed to be actually doing stuff. You were voting people wisely, and then now you're trying to stop town from using the powers they were given.

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Time to dance.
Who wants to be my dance partner?

I am looking at you Darkinnocence

Wrong game bruh

~Ss

my role pm says i was invited to a dance. if ur not interested shadow, I will ask rb, he likes us.

Ok, well if it could be anything, what would you hope for?

I ask because I got no clue what we just did.

okay
what is this pandora stuff about -_____-

Opening Pandora's box means you'll get information or something will happen but you got no clue what.

I opened Pandora's box by Meowing.

So yeah, the Cupid Day is me but I am just as informed as anyone else about this.

~Titus

It was not shitposting. We just literally didn't know what it did. We didn't want to step on toes either. So what the fork since rb made the game unreadable anyway, let's do it. No one had objections anyway or likely day plans. Let's help get reads, whatever it is.

~Titus

so then does the thing in your pm imply we become lovers?
if so we should probably make sure scummy people are paired with the people most likely to be nightkilled early on

Nope. My role PM says Meow and an event triggers. That's it. I know nothing.

I drew the same inference, but it could be hoods too.

So really early on you say your role PM tells you about a dance (a couple's mechanic from what I understand, never been in a dance game), but then you say you didn't know what would happen, so which is it?

I also agree. There is definitely an inconsistency. Especially since there is no flavortext on my Role PM.

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You distinctly said something about a dance.

But no. There is 100% no flavor on my rolecard.

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I can 100% support a PB lynch.

I can't say I can support a randomidget lynch.

Aleo, sorry I didn't post today (or really yesterday). I got sick of checking and seeing only 1 other post.
Figures the day I don't check at all there's like 100 posts. Which I may or may not have skimmed.

Edit: Oh yeah. VOTE: Painbringer

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PB, if you're voting Random for inconsistency, you need to self-vote. Either you're being inconsistent, or just downright lying.

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PB, if you're voting Random for inconsistency, you need to self-vote. Either you're being inconsistent, or just downright lying.

What inconsistency would that be?

If you were actually reading, you'd see that it was the fact that, at the beginning, you claimed to have knowledge of some "dance", and yet didn't know what your power did.

There is literally no flavor text in our role PMs. Therefore, you're lying and deserve rope.

explain why Ds is more scummier than the VECNA??

DS is always scum.

-Cerb

correct

Well, no. I may seem scum, but I'm not.

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Dancing is an expression for sorting each other. Already said that.

T

And I still don't believe it.

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It's not 90% of the playerbase. It's just that the tiny percentage is incredibly vocal.

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I'm tempted to declare loyalty to culted. Maybe tomorrow.

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I already did. It didn't do much.

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I'm fairly certain that PB v. KC is TvS. With anyone else, it could be TvT, but since one of them is KC, I almost guarantee that it's TvS. So. I'm in favor of a 1v1 between them.

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I'm fairly certain that PB v. KC is TvS. With anyone else, it could be TvT, but since one of them is KC, I almost guarantee that it's TvS. So. I'm in favor of a 1v1 between them.

What makes you say this?

Did you even read my post from before?
~T

I mean, somewhat.

But mostly just KC.

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I'm not elaborating because I'm currently pissed because I keep missing the same goddamn shot in Farcry 4.

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But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

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thats a false dichotomy your trying to force there buddy.

I'll take buzzwords for 500, Trebek.

It's not a false dichotomy because a dichotomy is the very argument I'm making, but not for the sake of dichotomy.

Anyways, I'm saying that due to circumstances, you guys can not possibly be the same alignment. It's not a cause and effect. It's an analysis of the happenings which leads me to conclude this.

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

Hey CD, can you not just dismiss everyone's reads for "being fake" when yours have no support whatsoever? Thanks bb.

Edit: You see Titus, you always pull this as scum. You townread me at the very beginning because my very first game on site I lost because I kinda gave the guy who was defending me a pass. Every game you pull this! And it never works! It's kinda amazing.

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you loose so much credibility when you just refer me to titus everytime and it turns out its fire bringer posting.
like seriously, 80% of the time you say "hey titus this is so your scum meta" and its me posting.

Titus is doing the same thing you are, and I have given up on trying to do meaningful posts with you for this very reason.

P.S. It's lose. Loose is the adjective. Like "Your mom is very loose". Lose is the verb.

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hello everyone, good to be here. will catch up today.

Ok. So, I'm confused.

You say you're Not Chara, but you refer to yourself as Chara in your sig.

So are you Chara?

[DiamondSentinel]

"it's me, Chara" is a direct quote from the game, and i prefer to be called Chara or Not Chara rather than an acronym like NC. does that answer? ;>

what can you tell me about the game? something to keep in mind while i reread?

Keep in mind that you shouldn't have your reading skewed by what anyone says before you read. It's good to always read fresh.

[DiamondSentinel]

Bleargh. Once I get home today, I'm gonna do a reread. I'm not doing too well so far.

[DiamondSentinel]

I would appreciate it if you guys would stop acting like one specific person sucks. All of us suck at this game. Let's get that straight. Some of us just happen to have luck sometimes. So all of you stop acting like you're great and have a little humility.

Kthanks

[DiamondSentinel]

Btw, that was in reply to PB saying that Maria sucks.

[DiamondSentinel]

DS, what do you think of gamma's vote on Klingon?

This is just that I'm acknowledging this. I'll have to look at it.

i advice that EVERYONE FIND A PARTNER,, because this can ONLY be beneficial for TOWN,, since we can choose whether to KILL OUR PARTNER when we die, and the partner can be SCUM,, and if partner is TOWN we can choose not to kill them,, and we can INTERROGATE POTENTIAL SCUM IN THE CHAT........ FIND YOUR PARTNER TODAY!!!!

This is 100% false, since scum can also utilize this.

[DiamondSentinel]

So.

I somewhat townread CD, although this does shake that a bit. First off, this is just blatantly them throwing out some buzzword to try and seem relevant. I'm not even sure what they are implying I'd gain by faking that statement.

Also, KT, scum could use it to take down their partner if they ever get lynched. So, yeah. That's definitely usable by scum.

[DiamondSentinel]

So who all are the nobles?

Also, who has pledged loyalty and to whom, if I could ask.

[DiamondSentinel]

I'm fairly certain that PB v. KC is TvS. With anyone else, it could be TvT, but since one of them is KC, I almost guarantee that it's TvS. So. I'm in favor of a 1v1 between them.

Wait - because it's me they're arguing with I'm autoScum? That makes no sense. I already posted that the three of us usually wind up Scumreading each other on Day1.

And you decide you'd like to see a 1v1 between us. Hmmm...

If it were just between me and Titus either one could go down. Fire in the hydra with Titus gives them a slight edge, but you aren't all that friendly to Fire, are you?

It looks to me like you don't care which of us gets lynched.

I know that I'm Town (Freedom) and now I'm thinking that maybe Painbringer might be Town. Because you're looking kinda Scummy right now.

UNVOTE:

Do you ever stop and read? I said since it's you, ONE of you has to be scum. Not necessarily you.

[DiamondSentinel]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

[DiamondSentinel]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

By sorting, I mean zolving what people might be thinking. You have zero progress towards figuring out which of me/klingon is scum, zero progress on gamma, zero progress on random and leonshade...zero on rb and rr. You're drifting and just posting a theory.

You did follow up a bit at first, but now, nope.

You should know more than anyone that this is my D1 play. You have played multiple games with me. I just present as many possible scenarios I can think of and then figure out which is true later on. I do substantially better mid to endgame than I do early-game.

[DiamondSentinel]

I leave the D1 stuff to people like Wisdom who can catch sum D1, but tend to peter off.

[DiamondSentinel]

Right.

Contradiction 1: Gamma calls DS fake, yet in the same post he's voting Klingon who "feels fake". (RR)
Contradiction 2: Gamma argues that DS is being fake with his dichotomy, but says that DS cannot be scum with either one. (Dave)
Contradiction 3: Gamma says that someone who is fake, cannot be scum with the person that feels fake. (Titus)

The most logical conclusion to draw with this is that Gamma has some alternative reason not to want to vote DS. That reason is either DS is town and pushing a dichotomy that Gamma likes or DS is scum and Gamma would like to focus elsewhere. Both of these lead to the impression that Klingon (Grandma) is town.

p-edit: I am sorry Dave. I'll try to limit calling Klingon by her nickname for awhile.

I felt DS was town and just wrong at that point. I still felt like the false dichotomy needed to be noted.
~GE

It's not a false dichotomy because it's not cause and effect. It's not a black and white deal, and I'm not saying it is. I'm say that I am reading that, out of the pair, at least one is scum. Exactly what you had just said.

[DiamondSentinel]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

By sorting, I mean zolving what people might be thinking. You have zero progress towards figuring out which of me/klingon is scum, zero progress on gamma, zero progress on random and leonshade...zero on rb and rr. You're drifting and just posting a theory.

You did follow up a bit at first, but now, nope.

You should know more than anyone that this is my D1 play. You have played multiple games with me. I just present as many possible scenarios I can think of and then figure out which is true later on. I do substantially better mid to endgame than I do early-game.

So I seem to be vindicated in thinking DS did not have evil intent with that dichotomy
~GE

Correct, Gamma. As I have repeatedly said, this is me separating the game into groups. It works well for the beginning because as flips stack up, it helps me clear up some of the misconceptions. It's my way of creating a townbloc

[DiamondSentinel]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

By sorting, I mean zolving what people might be thinking. You have zero progress towards figuring out which of me/klingon is scum, zero progress on gamma, zero progress on random and leonshade...zero on rb and rr. You're drifting and just posting a theory.

You did follow up a bit at first, but now, nope.

You should know more than anyone that this is my D1 play. You have played multiple games with me. I just present as many possible scenarios I can think of and then figure out which is true later on. I do substantially better mid to endgame than I do early-game.

So I seem to be vindicated in thinking DS did not have evil intent with that dichotomy
~GE

Correct, Gamma. As I have repeatedly said, this is me separating the game into groups. It works well for the beginning because as flips stack up, it helps me clear up some of the misconceptions. It's my way of creating a townbloc

This is the same move you used in Metal Gear Solid though is it not?

If you're legitimately dividing the party into groups, wouldn't you care which is accurate? Wouldn't you follow through?

In MGSV, I was scum, so if that's what you're arguing, ok. But unless I'm mistaken, it's not really what you're trying to argue.

Also, I don't care which one is accurate until it's accurate. I go with the Holmes philosophy:

"Once the impossible is ruled out, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

As my theories are ruled out, I pursue the ones that are left. I have no reason to care which of them are accurate. Once they are shown to be accurate, however, then I pursue them. I have no loyalty to any certain read over another. I don't care if someone is scum this game or not.

[DiamondSentinel]

I am a fan of Holmes with a bit of scorched Earth myself. Yet, you don't seem to be throwing out more theories or narrowing things down. Where is the hunting?

You've been static.

That's just because I've yet to see anything new pop up. I have been making a couple here and there. But I'm trying to be a passive observer. Do it scientifically here.

[DiamondSentinel]

Don't get me wrong. I'm still going to be actively engaged in the game. I just don't do the whole "reaction tests" and whatever because, for starters, they are absolute bullshit. They never work anyways.

[DiamondSentinel]

So which is it? You're a passive observer or actively engaged?

P.S. Reaction tests can be golden. I pulled one before that lead to a near flawless victory.

I have also learned a lot from the hat selection.

Tell me, who is scum in pink hats. Blue hats.

Just realized that she could be completely lying about the hat ability, since it wasn't in the lavender/purple color.

ANYWAYS.

Wow, there are a lot more pink than blue hats. I knew there were more, but not that many more.

I can't give you a strict readlist. Half of them I can hardly remember their posts since the game has been filled with the same people posting. But I'll go through and give you a general readlist. I don't feel like giving one based on one side or another.

[DiamondSentinel]

Damn, this is the second 50+ page game I've reviewed in 24 hours.

[DiamondSentinel]

Hey Titus, can you comment on your box that you said you had? Did it only say box on it? Also, how did you know about this dance thing? I suspect you're lying about your abilities, again. Every time I look at it, I feel like you're lying.

Also, I know I shouldn't go searching for a 3P already, but I am fairly certain Not Chara is 3P.

[DiamondSentinel]

Exactly. If roles are heavily influenced by flavor, flavorclaiming is a VERY good idea. I know almost for a fact that scum have fakeclaims (FA always gives good fakeclaims), so, by forcing a fakeclaim now, as actions start piling up, discrepancies will become apparent. The weakness in all fakeclaims is the fact that the owner's actions CAN NOT match up with the actions the fakeclaim would take. They simply cannot.

I'm quoting this again because I still stand by this mentality.

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, the more I read Chara's role PM, the more I think that they are either 3P or town. I am 99% confident that they aren't main-scum.

PEdit: I'm currently rereading the game, so you'll get the reads eventually. Also, it doesn't matter how often we have this conversation. The more I read these parts, the more I doubt your explanations.

[DiamondSentinel]

Role explanation*

[DiamondSentinel]

1. I corrected myself. It's Chara's role explanation. Her latest post. After I read Alpaca's only posts, I was very curious. And then I read Chara's posts (still very few). And I'm still perturbed.

Anyways, you're still not answering my question. In RVS, you repeatedly discussed a dance. Yet you have never adequately explained it. That's my whole beef. I don't care that you claim to not understand your box. I want to know where you knew about the dance from.

[DiamondSentinel]

I really wish I could reverse ISO someone. Just remove all of KainTepes posts from the game.

[DiamondSentinel]

11 pages in and the ratio of town-points to scum-points I've given out is scary.

PEdit: The very last post made by Chara, if I remember correctly. The explanation of the votelessness.

Also, I want KT out because out of the 11 pages I've read, most of them have been half full of his shitposting.

[DiamondSentinel]

I disagree with you on at least one of those cases. And I agree with you on none.

[DiamondSentinel]

I disagree with you on at least one of those cases. And I agree with you on none.

This phrasing is wierd.

Random is not scum. Drone and BTD I haven't gotten to on my reread.

Although Drone does have a scum-point. So I suppose he might stay there.

[DiamondSentinel]

@Mod: If a royal person (I can't for the life of me remember this word) is ascetic, would they be able to have anyone pledge loyalty to them, since loyalty is listed as an ability?

[DiamondSentinel]

DRONE HAS NOT SAID AANYTHING,, stinky SCUM OF THE EARTH is hiding once again,,,,,,

SCUM IS: randommidget,, DRONE,, BTD6MAKER!!!!!!!!!

Drone is weak across all games, but I like the other two.

I am at btd/random/cd/diamond/rr/keyxrb as my scumpool.

Among this list, I like only 2 people on it. CD and KeyxRB are the only 2 I think are good placements.

[DiamondSentinel]

DRONE HAS NOT SAID AANYTHING,, stinky SCUM OF THE EARTH is hiding once again,,,,,,

SCUM IS: randommidget,, DRONE,, BTD6MAKER!!!!!!!!!

Drone is weak across all games, but I like the other two.

I am at btd/random/cd/diamond/rr/keyxrb as my scumpool.

Among this list, I like only 2 people on it. CD and KeyxRB are the only 2 I think are good placements.

So, you think me versus rb is S v S?

With rb, it's a possibility I am not ruling out. rb is exactly the type of player to force a SvS fight like that.

PEdit: Thanks FA.

[DiamondSentinel]

I'm not townreading BTD. I can't remember any of his posts, and I haven't seen any remarkable ones.

Also, with RR, I'm not reading them as scum. I'm reading them as I am with Chara. Either they are town or they are 3P. I doubt they are main-scum.

[DiamondSentinel]

The mystical, it's not you but the other player that makes crap possible argument again.

Can you please rewrite this statement with different words? I'm not really understanding what it's trying to say.

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, I'm at a logical impasse. I really want to lynch Vecan for information, but I also have him as a fairly strong townread here. My third highest townread.

Very weird.

[DiamondSentinel]

Reads as of this moment:
Town: DiamondSentinel, Kain Tepes,
Probably Town: Kraska77 (though I hope she suicides in the game), Drone, ssbm_kyuko
Lean Scum: Leaonshade
Scum: keyxrb, klingoncelt (Titus read on that one)

Also, PB, please explain the complete 180 on your read on me and KC

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, I'm at a logical impasse. I really want to lynch Vecan for information, but I also have him as a fairly strong townread here. My third highest townread.

Very weird.

take that as a sign that lynching for information isn't useful. if its a townread, don't lynch.
what info are you looking for?

and why do you think i'm 3p? i'm a treestump without outside help.

1. No, it's incredibly useful here. It's not your run-of-the-mill information lynch.
2. I can't share what info I'm looking for.
3. There are more than a couple things that have tipped me off. But anyways, I said 3P or town. It's not a strict scum-read, so don't worry about my trying to lynch you right now.

[DiamondSentinel]

25 pages in

Town: Kraska/Aristophanes (I've only read kraska's posts at this point), Culted, Random
Null!Town: Dave, McMenn, SSBM, Vecna
Null: BTD6, Malpasca, CD, RR, Not Chara (Alpaca had 2 posts at this point. Also contributes to 3P read), DarkInnocence, Klingoncelt
Null!Scum: Leon
Scum: Keyxrb, Drone, Painbringer, KainTepes
Possible 3P: RR, Not Chara

This is what I meant when I said it was worrying how many more scum-points were being given out than town-points. I have 4 scum reads, which is not where I wanted to be right now.

[DiamondSentinel]

KainTepes, PB, and Drone all have the most scum-points, but Keyxrb's was really really bad, and the same thing over and over again.

[DiamondSentinel]

Additionally, Leon is fairly close to null, as he has just as many town-points as scum-points, and then a couple solid null-points (noteworthy posts, but neither town nor scum). His is pretty gut.

[DiamondSentinel]

BTD6 is now a solid lurk!scum. He claimed V/LA 5 days early, and then proceeded to lurk almost the ENTIRE TIME until the V/LA, when he was able to. He's prodging, and I don't like that. Besides. Regardless of his alignment, I am 100% in support of a PL on this.

[DiamondSentinel]

VOTE: keyxrb
Wagon here plz

[DiamondSentinel]

DS anything you'd like to talk about?

I'd like all of our nobles to talk more. I don't plan on pledging until I'm confident one is town, so I need more talk.

If I could get this to happen, that'd be great. Specifically culted. I'm very tempted to pledging loyalty to culted. They seem quite town this game, but I'd still like some more information to be sure.

[DiamondSentinel]

At first, I was very very confused. Keyxrb v. Painbringer would be a really really weird scum v. scum dynamic. But then I remembered that's what I did with T-Bone and Elbrin (if I remember correctly) in MGSV and we won a flawless victory. Also, the more keyxrb posts in pages 30-31, the more I realize this looks like general frustration with a scumbuddy, like what I had with pisskop in Cowboy Bebop.

Before I declare loyalty to culted.

Steal culted's hat

I know this seems very weird, but I feel like I will die before they do, somehow.

PEdit: @CD
I'll post the entire stack-up, but I have a chart with everyone in the game. When I read a striking post, I write it up as town, null, or scum. Each post is a point. So a town striking post is a town-point. So on and so forth.

Right now, keyxrb and PB both have 3 scum-points (this is just for incredibly striking posts or strings of posts. I'm not doing it for small things here and there. They just go into tie-breakers, which was why keyxrb was scum with only 1 scumpoint earlier, while the other 3 had 2.)

[DiamondSentinel]

Oh, culted, I would ask that you accept this. I would appreciate a PT with you right now.

[DiamondSentinel]

I'm done reading for now. Just finished page 50. Updated reads:

Town: RR, Aristophanes, Culted
Null!Town: Dave, CD, McMeeno, SSBM, Random, Klingoncelt, Vecna
Null: Mal, Not Chara, Dark Innocence, Leon
Null!Scum: BTD6
Scum: keyxrb, Drone, PB, KT

[DiamondSentinel]

At first, I was very very confused. Keyxrb v. Painbringer would be a really really weird scum v. scum dynamic. But then I remembered that's what I did with T-Bone and Elbrin (if I remember correctly) in MGSV and we won a flawless victory. Also, the more keyxrb posts in pages 30-31, the more I realize this looks like general frustration with a scumbuddy, like what I had with pisskop in Cowboy Bebop.

Before I declare loyalty to culted.

Steal culted's hat

I know this seems very weird, but I feel like I will die before they do, somehow.

PEdit: @CD
I'll post the entire stack-up, but I have a chart with everyone in the game. When I read a striking post, I write it up as town, null, or scum. Each post is a point. So a town striking post is a town-point. So on and so forth.

Right now, keyxrb and PB both have 3 scum-points (this is just for incredibly striking posts or strings of posts. I'm not doing it for small things here and there. They just go into tie-breakers, which was why keyxrb was scum with only 1 scumpoint earlier, while the other 3 had 2.)

How do you balance points when someone gets both town and scum points?
~GE

This happened a couple times. Leon was tied, and Vecna was tied originally. Leon stayed null. Vecna was just a general feel. He felt town to me, so he got null!town.

[DiamondSentinel]

Yawn. Fucking idiots who've played one game with me where I was actually town and apparently have never seen me play as scum think they know how I play scum.

Honestly how do you even go from, "one time i fought someone as scum, so therefore rb is likely doing that here because that's his personality" when:

- we havent played any games together where I was scum
- you actually have no idea what my 'personality' is
- i basically never fight with my scumbuddies because it isn't worth it since no one is ever fooled by it anyway (case in point, you think me and painbringer is SvS - LUL)

I don't even remember if I've played a single game with you so kindly fuck off.

[DiamondSentinel]

Before I declare loyalty to culted.

Steal culted's hat

I know this seems very weird, but I feel like I will die before they do, somehow.

Oh, culted, I would ask that you accept this. I would appreciate a PT with you right now.

These posts give me the creeps.

Also, Diamond, you must not be reading those ISOs very thoroughly - not only did Culted's hat get stolen, they swapped hats and are a couple.

I haven't ISO'd culted. I'm doing a full reread. I'm hardly into the hat dance.

[DiamondSentinel]

Yay. Because I'm absentminded as fuck now you guys are calling me slimy. Woot woot.

Also, when the fuck did you post a list of available pairs?

[DiamondSentinel]

Hey, who is left with a blue hat and unpaired?

-Cerb

BTD6_maker, malpascp, Crystalline Dagger (Painbringer), McMenno (Kain Tepes), Leonshade (Aristophanes), ssbm_Kyouko (keyrb), Drone, culted (Venca)

Blue hat (Pink Hat Partner)

You do realize that the reason I'm doing a reread is because I didn't read it very thoroughly the first time. So if you're going to scumread me, at least scumread me for the fact that I'm not thorough with my reading. Not for the fact that I'm apparently teammates with culted.

[DiamondSentinel]

SCUM IS TWO OF BELOW::

DIAMOND SENTINEL,, BTDMAPPER,, DRONE,, RANDOM MIDGET

Kain tepes is ALWAYS right,,!!!

Well, then BTD and Drone would be scum, because I know for a fact I'm not scum, and I very seriously doubt that randomidget is scum. There's a general trend of unease that follows his posts, but I mostly think that he's a VI. I've yet to see any specific post that screams "scum"

PEdit: Did you read my last post? No. It's not. I'm 2/3 of the way through. I stopped at Page 50 last night before Shadowrun, and I just woke up like an hour ago.

[DiamondSentinel]

SCUM IS TWO OF BELOW::

DIAMOND SENTINEL,, BTDMAPPER,, DRONE,, RANDOM MIDGET

Kain tepes is ALWAYS right,,!!!

Well, then BTD and Drone would be scum, because I know for a fact I'm not scum, and I very seriously doubt that randomidget is scum. There's a general trend of unease that follows his posts, but I mostly think that he's a VI. I've yet to see any specific post that screams "scum"

PEdit: Did you read my last post? No. It's not. I'm 2/3 of the way through. I stopped at Page 50 last night before Shadowrun, and I just woke up like an hour ago.

in what way am i a VI? I've committed to very few stances at this point.

You were universally scumread in the first 50 or so pages.

Also, Kain, I interact with everyone as if they were town because there's no use just holding hostility towards people. Nothing comes out of it.

If this is how the game is going to continue, I might as well just replace out because nobody is even trying at this point.

[DiamondSentinel]

yeah i am not A NOBLE...................

this is not my best game,, my best game is in VANILLISH by ARISTOPHANES which just ended,, i really tried my VERY BEST in that one but still lost because the IC wont listen to me, my scumreads were 100% correct though!!!!! i even predicted the things they said in the mafia thread which were correct,, and the IC lynched me instead,, so i got angry,,

It happens. Keep up the good work.

Cmon DS. Tactical replace outs are shitty.

It's not a tactical replace-out. You know how I am when I'm scum and losing. I dig a deeper hole. Right now I'm fucking sick of people not trying.

Source: Soccer Spirits, Shadowrun Mafia, MGSV Mafia

[DiamondSentinel]

SERIOUS FA. THERE WERE 10 SECONDS. GAH.

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, KT, you have all scum-points, and no town-points, but I seriously doubt you are scum. You are incompetent (this is a measure of his play in this game. Not as a person, so it's not a personal attack) yet I have a very strong gut feeling that you are town. I trust my gut reads.

[DiamondSentinel]

NC, what do you think of CD and DS?

Why town on DS?

Incompetent was the wrong word. Hapless and obnoxious? I dunno. Hapless is kinda the same as imcompetent. I dunno. Obnoxious works.

[DiamondSentinel]

Was either part of CD in MGSV? Or is this a different MGS Mafia game than I was in.

[DiamondSentinel]

Or were you saying to compare my play here to my play then.

[DiamondSentinel]

SCUM IS TWO OF BELOW::

DIAMOND SENTINEL,, BTDMAPPER,, DRONE,, RANDOM MIDGET

Kain tepes is ALWAYS right,,!!!

Well, then BTD and Drone would be scum, because I know for a fact I'm not scum, and I very seriously doubt that randomidget is scum. There's a general trend of unease that follows his posts, but I mostly think that he's a VI. I've yet to see any specific post that screams "scum"

PEdit: Did you read my last post? No. It's not. I'm 2/3 of the way through. I stopped at Page 50 last night before Shadowrun, and I just woke up like an hour ago.

in what way am i a VI? I've committed to very few stances at this point.

You were universally scumread in the first 50 or so pages.

Also, Kain, I interact with everyone as if they were town because there's no use just holding hostility towards people. Nothing comes out of it.

If this is how the game is going to continue, I might as well just replace out because nobody is even trying at this point.

that's lynchbait, not VI.

Hmm. I've typically heard the terms used synonymously.

Actually, no, that's not entirely true. I've been called lynchbait, not VI. So I suppose that's correct. Lynchbait is a better term.

Errata to quoted statement: Random definitely seems like lynchbait to me.

[DiamondSentinel]

blah

10

72 pages of nothing zzzz
~Maria

FTFY

[DiamondSentinel]

Ooh mine

[DiamondSentinel]

KT, let me finish my reread, but as of now, I'm vastly in favor of a keyxrb lynch.

[DiamondSentinel]

I'd have to ISO him to find the posts, but he has the most scum-points. He has 3 scum-points, and no null or town-points from here on. Additionally, they had an overall trend of not-helpfulness during those pages.

[DiamondSentinel]

can you explain what makes KEY lynch supportable,,

This one time in one game he had a fight with a scumbuddy so he thinks PB and me is S v S.

He thinks I'm the kind of person to stage fights as scum - I'm not.

There were some other really bad reasons in there but those are the ones that are most hilarious to read.

I remember no games I have ever played with you. I don't even know if I have. This isn't meta.

[DiamondSentinel]

Don't forget drone. He's not V/LA

[DiamondSentinel]

And mal is way past prod time.

[DiamondSentinel]

Drone is VLA till Jan 1st.

I'm not forgetting anyone dear

Ah. I had a rule where if it wasn't on the activity monitor it didn't count, but I forgot most people don't do it like that.

[DiamondSentinel]

can you explain what makes KEY lynch supportable,,

This one time in one game he had a fight with a scumbuddy so he thinks PB and me is S v S.

He thinks I'm the kind of person to stage fights as scum - I'm not.

There were some other really bad reasons in there but those are the ones that are most hilarious to read.

I remember no games I have ever played with you. I don't even know if I have. This isn't meta.

So it's literally just make believe then

No. It's a gut feeling and more often than not, my gut feelings are right.

[DiamondSentinel]

Diamond is more of gut read. i don't see a need for scum to start theorizing about 3p while making other content (it never looks that good, and is null behaviour at best). plus, i'm a non-threatening 3p if that, so there's little reason for scum to be concerned about me

besides that i was just townreading him earlier due to the way he's explained his thoughts and been consistent on how he came to them.

I think Scum would deflect to 3rd Party to move attention from themselves or a Scumbuddy.

Yes, I know normally that would be the case, but I just said it in passing.

[DiamondSentinel]

I'm done reading for now. Just finished page 50. Updated reads:

Town: RR, Aristophanes, Culted
Null!Town: Dave, CD, McMeeno, SSBM, Random, Klingoncelt, Vecna
Null: Mal, Not Chara, Dark Innocence, Leon
Null!Scum: BTD6
Scum: keyxrb, Drone, PB, KT

I agree with Ari and I'm leaning town on Culted. I agree that SSBM, random and Vecna. I also agree with some of the nulls, not that that's hard.

But I agree with none of your scumlist, aside from possibly Drone (who has done nothing all game). TRing everyone else on your scumlist. Not referring to BTD6, who has been a non-presence.

KT is a gut-town right now. They say the dumbest, most scummy things, but ultimately they seem to be VI. And I don't use that term unless I'm completely sure. So he shouldn't really be on the scum list.

PB is an enigma for me. I really really do believe that they are scum, but so many call them town that I'm slightly worried it's a case of "Antihero v. Fakegod Shinobi", but in reverse. But they stay at a solid scum for me.

No 2 ways about keyxrb. They are blatant scum. I don't know if I'm currently voting them, but I'm pretty positive they are scum.

VOTE: keyxrb Just to be sure.

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, leon, why on earth are you TRing keyxrb? There is literally nothing they've done that points to them as town.

[DiamondSentinel]

What are these scummy things KT has said? His gimmick is not scummy, and I've seen more scumhunting from him than I've seen from many players in this game. The Drone case above is more convincing than half the cases I've seen presented here.

I'd like to hear more about your Painbringer read, pointing to me to the right posts in your ISO is sufficient.

On the contrary, I think keyxrb has been pretty consistently town. I don't see scum motivation in their play.

This was the very beginning of the game, where KT was filling the thread with noise.

PB I'll give you the posts in a bit, and while I'm doing that, show me any town posts from keyxrb. Because I have found none.

[DiamondSentinel]

Yes Kain Tepes filled the game with obvious trolling and sh*tposting but that is Kain Tepes as i have had to realize. I wanted KT gone because of the way he posted but i learned very fast that KT just posts that way. He is of actual use later on in his games, don't let the initial wildness cloud your read on KT.

~Jin~

Which is why I haven't pushed for his lynch.

[DiamondSentinel]

VOTE: Drone
I hope you're using a shovel to dig this grave.

[DiamondSentinel]

Unless Drone is really flaily as scum, unfortunately, I really doubt that this wagon is going to flip scum. Call it a hunch. However, my vote stays because this is to scummy to ignore. Either way, you should probably change your play, Drone. You're either flailing as scum or you are way too scummy town.

[DiamondSentinel]

Unless Drone is really flaily as scum, unfortunately, I really doubt that this wagon is going to flip scum. Call it a hunch. However, my vote stays because this is to scummy to ignore. Either way, you should probably change your play, Drone. You're either flailing as scum or you are way too scummy town.

So let me get this straight. You're voting a townread based on a policy lynch? You're voting over playstyle and selling as a policy lynch?

Why the fuck can we not rope this guy?

I'm not townreading them. However, this has the same feel as most D1 mislynches. I can't not vote them, though, because they are so scummy. I personally don't believe in "Too scummy to be scum"

[DiamondSentinel]

Titus. I want you to think about every game you've played with me.

Have you ever been right about your D1 read on me?

[DiamondSentinel]

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

this guy has seriously lived way too long

Yay naked votes!

[DiamondSentinel]

Give me anything you want answered. I didn't see any posts I really cared to reply to except Culted, but I won't because I can't. That's the whole purpose of a PT.

I'm probably going to regret this, but this is the most confident I am in a noble.

Declare Loyalty: Culted

[DiamondSentinel]

Hey look. A scum!Titus.

[DiamondSentinel]

VOTE: DiamondSentinal

pedit: This seems premature.

Can you kindly tell me why you're voting? And please don't say you're sheeping. I might commit suicide ig if you do that.

[DiamondSentinel]

Voting me*

[DiamondSentinel]

@Diamond, do you have a PT with culted?

The question is a bit rhetorical.

If no, you didn't become lovers, which I already told you. So why are you threatening culted other than to create distance? You already swore loyalty to culted before.

If yes, that PT is not a lovers PT because culted is with Vecna. So why threaten? Are you playing dumb to hide a scum PT?

I don't have a PT yet, and it wasn't a threat. It's simply something that I have to do. If I'm not 100% confident in their towniness, and I can't get them lynched/vigged, then I'm going to commit sepuku.

[DiamondSentinel]

culted and Vecna Swapped their hats!

They are now officially a couple! <3

You cannot, nor will you ever seppuku and kill culted. This happened before you tried to steal culted's hat.

I told you this before. At best, you're not critically analyzing the words of your supposed scumread.

Try again. What is your goal with this nonsense. This is twice you tried this.

That's not my goal. I'm not trying to get them killed with it. I am well away

Diamond: you were of the opinion Drone was digging his own grave when speaking with me. i had the same opinion until i realized that his closing remarks were more likely stubborn, annoyed town, than dumb scum. what do you think?

Well, my comment has little to do with alignment, but I do agree. I said that they really seemed scummy, but the wagon and their response feels like town. and not the good way.

[DiamondSentinel]

so this is where i'm at currently.

scum: Painbringer, keyXrb, Leonshade [i hate this because they look so, so good as a team, so it can't be real], culted
town: Vecna, Rational, Diamond, KainTepes, Drone, Kyouko, davesaz, Klingon
eh: Crystalline Dagger, mal, BTD, Aristophanes, McMenno, DarkInnocence, random

i'd be happy to discuss any of these. and we can discuss null reads so i can actually get a read there. someone help me read Dagger, Gamma's posting is the type to just make me dislike it by its mere presence.
Diamond is this player i disagree with completely on

every

mechanical level, but i think is town. it's sort of amazing.
Painbringer is one where i'm scumreading both heads, yet Firebringer in particular is not a player i'd consider myself good at reading.

i'm more confident in my townreads than scumreads, but that's par for the course. process of elimination is fun. unhappy with the amount of nulls, since there has to be scum in them.

You know, this is literally every game with me.

[DiamondSentinel]

you're referring to the last line?

would you consider voting Leon instead of Drone. or really any player you actually think is scum.

No. Disagreeing with everything I say.

Always, maybe. Let me check something RN

[DiamondSentinel]

Yeah, I suppose. He's a completely solid null read. Which I'm in favor of wagoning. Not now, but maybe later. For now,

UNVOTE:

[DiamondSentinel]

Yeah, I suppose. He's a completely solid null read. Which I'm in favor of wagoning. Not now, but maybe later. For now,

UNVOTE:

Not now, maybe later, unvote, with 48 hours left in the day? When is this later going to happen?

-Cerb

Only 48? Heh. I suppose a null is better than a gut town.

VOTE: Leon

[DiamondSentinel]

So what are you claiming, RR? I'm sorry. I guess I missed it.

[DiamondSentinel]

Welp. I'm now on a vanity wagon. Let's change that.

VOTE: CD I suppose.