Code Geass Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Painbringer]

@Game: wtf happens when you become a couple? If someone later reveals knowledge of this or otherwise claims responsibility I'll probably consider it a scum claim.

-Cerb

I did it. I know nothing.

~Pandora with an open box.

[Painbringer]

okay
what is this pandora stuff about -_____-

Opening Pandora's box means you'll get information or something will happen but you got no clue what.

I opened Pandora's box by Meowing.

So yeah, the Cupid Day is me but I am just as informed as anyone else about this.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Oh and opening Pandora's box also means there is no going back.

[Painbringer]

It was not shitposting. We just literally didn't know what it did. We didn't want to step on toes either. So what the fork since rb made the game unreadable anyway, let's do it. No one had objections anyway or likely day plans. Let's help get reads, whatever it is.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Me too. There has to be an achievement for triggering a power w a cat meme.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

so then does the thing in your pm imply we become lovers?
if so we should probably make sure scummy people are paired with the people most likely to be nightkilled early on

Nope. My role PM says Meow and an event triggers. That's it. I know nothing.

I drew the same inference, but it could be hoods too.

[Painbringer]

TITUS, I WANTED TO ACTIVATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*shuffles off in a huff*

[Painbringer]

Since Titus activated I am going to pick the hat:
I would like a

Pink hat

[Painbringer]

Every player in game has now 24 hours to publicly or privately announce if they want to wear a specific hat or they will receive one based on their characters gender. (Pink for girls and Blue for boys!)

Also my theory is this will create neighborhoods between those who are boyfriend and girlfriends.

[Painbringer]

why do u even hydra

[Painbringer]

I am going to steal frozens hat and then get her to disclose everything on setup and players alignments.

[Painbringer]

that pink hat makes you look fat darkinnocence.
while mine makes me look slimming.

[Painbringer]

also i am getting drunk and watching code geass.
this is great

[Painbringer]

i am going to see about photoshopping my avi with a pink hat on her.
BE BACK SOON FRIENDS

[Painbringer]

i suck at photoshop

[Painbringer]

Cerb, are discussing your offer if we cross pledge loyalty. You will need a blue hat.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

*we are

[Painbringer]

That makes one of us. Care to enlighten us?

[Painbringer]

1031 thoughts?

[Painbringer]

Yup. I don't have any idea what this does and regardless of your alignment, no one pushes my logic harder.

Fire wants to go slow on choices, but I wanted to throw that out there.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

I could make you a picture of one, but alas, I know nothing.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

none of you blue hats are that attractive to be honest.

[Painbringer]

*waits patiently for keyXrb to steal my hat*

what if i wanted to steal your hat?

*Waits patiently for painbringer to steal my hat*

pretty sure you would suicide dating us.

waits patiently

you are all, so i can't be apart of that.

[Painbringer]

Titus has told me she apologizes for her remarks, but mcmemester still smells.

[Painbringer]

*Waits patiently for painbringer to steal my hat*

Do you want us to steal your hat? None of my major scumreads and my favored hood man all got pink hats.

I might just steal a lurker's hat if nothing else.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Oh fuck this noise. You're scum aren't you RR.

You know I have been angling with a hood with you all game long. With no opportunity to discuss, you rush at the last second to claim pink hat. You claim to have read, but where are the reads? You looked around for low powered players to pledge to, but then cool off from me because lol no nightmare.

You're now arguing against hoods and neighborhoods when we can align with lurkers to force them to post or die, at a minimum. If rb and I had the same colir hat, I could force him to be a decent human being. I could sort DS if he had a blue hat. Yet, he too went Pink. None of y'all even considered going opposite hatwise either. Now, I am not one to believe in coincidences RR. What about you?

~Titus

[Painbringer]

And you

know

how deadly I am with a PT chain. Absolutely insane. Now you're trying to get me not to use it?

[Painbringer]

Suikoden.

[Painbringer]

I notice you CD. Fire and I are discussing it now.

McMenno, if you think we're scum, why don't you steal our hat?

[Painbringer]

They do not want to be lovers with us.

Merry Christmas to everyone.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

I'm on mobile, so I can't check easily, but could someone get me a list of who chose a pink hat?

Pink Hats! : davesaz, Reasonably Rational, kraska77, AlpacaAlpaca , DiamondSentinel, keyXrb, DarkInnocence, Painbringer, Klingoncelt, KainTepes, Vecna, randomidget

Blue Hats! : BTD6_maker, malpascp, Crystalline Dagger, McMenno, Leonshade, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone, culted

Who chose it.

Some people got theirs by default since their character is female.

If they didn't submit a choice, they just got their flavor's gender.

I'm not that lazy.

Ooooh!

That I can't help with then.
Unless we did so publicly?

All hats were chosen publicly. It was a requirement.

Private was option.

[Painbringer]

Pledge to me Maria.

Steal hat from Crystalline Dagger

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Steal a hat from a lurker DI. That way if you die, you can choose to kill them. Alternatively, go for a major townread for the hood.

Pledge loyalty to me. :)For the hugs that we can imagine?

[Painbringer]

But your hydra partner's sr's us
Wait am I even able to pledge to you???
I'll ask my partner when he comes back
I THOUGHT YOU SR US WHAT'S GOING ON
~Maria

We're noble.
I don't think Fire SRs you but I was really drink yesterday... :$

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Time to dance.
Who wants to be my dance partner?

I am looking at you Darkinnocence

Wrong game bruh

~Ss

my role pm says i was invited to a dance. if ur not interested shadow, I will ask rb, he likes us.

Ok, well if it could be anything, what would you hope for?

I ask because I got no clue what we just did.

okay
what is this pandora stuff about -_____-

Opening Pandora's box means you'll get information or something will happen but you got no clue what.

I opened Pandora's box by Meowing.

So yeah, the Cupid Day is me but I am just as informed as anyone else about this.

~Titus

It was not shitposting. We just literally didn't know what it did. We didn't want to step on toes either. So what the fork since rb made the game unreadable anyway, let's do it. No one had objections anyway or likely day plans. Let's help get reads, whatever it is.

~Titus

so then does the thing in your pm imply we become lovers?
if so we should probably make sure scummy people are paired with the people most likely to be nightkilled early on

Nope. My role PM says Meow and an event triggers. That's it. I know nothing.

I drew the same inference, but it could be hoods too.

So really early on you say your role PM tells you about a dance (a couple's mechanic from what I understand, never been in a dance game), but then you say you didn't know what would happen, so which is it?

I also agree. There is definitely an inconsistency. Especially since there is no flavortext on my Role PM.

No. Our role PM says an event happens. We triggered our event. Cupid Day happens. We deduce we are the owners of Cupid Day. Nothing about it (dance or otherwise) is in our PM. Also, given the name of the person (Milly Ashford) is our role PM, we are pretty sure it is us. Zero contradiction.

So DS, no flavor? Not even ability name trigger?

~Titus

[Painbringer]

One of your heads suggested the idea. We're down. I would ally with scumbutts but they all took Pink hats. So we'll go town, no suicide option.

[Painbringer]

You distinctly said something about a dance.

But no. There is 100% no flavor on my rolecard.

In RVS.

This thing here isn't related.

Dancing is an expression for sorting people.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Did Titus claim to have no knowledge of flavor but then reveal flavor which is strongly indicative of the event?
Looks like a wiki dive is in order.

No. They said the flavor of the event confirms they triggered it.

That isn't the reason I'm voting them. The vote is real.

So what is it then?

[Painbringer]

Also you are quite aware of whom defended me.....

If either of you ever flip scum im totally gonna hang the other for blatant team-awareness

???

Dude GE isn't scum. I already have too many scumreads, plus scum would never want to be a lover with me.

[Painbringer]

Caught up. I stated this earlier but we are a noble too (with no nobility hood access so idk wtf is up with that).
~GE

There's a noble hood?

Hm.

-Cerb

Can I get a rough approximation of the likelihood scum are in said hood, based on the number of people in the hood/your reads on the members? Don't tell me details, but I'd like to know whether or not keeping the membership secret makes sense.

-Cerb

Ask Key in your PT.

[Painbringer]

So you're now changing your theory to that I am lying about being in a hood? Yeah, pretty sure my hoodmates can verify if this ever is a real thing.

Ok, you're scum too.

Seriously, don't all of you swarm with crap reasoning. Leave some fun for later days.

[Painbringer]

why are the rest of

us nobles

in a hood then but for you?

They claimed to be a noble. (my emphasis added)
This is a lie by flavor. Votes please.

We're all confirmed nobles to each other in our hood.

[Painbringer]

So go ahead, push I lied.

[Painbringer]

Is Titus claiming stuff when I'm not around?

[Painbringer]

Is Titus claiming stuff when I'm not around?

Claiming to be noble when isn't.
Claiming I'm not a noble when I am.
Generally being a scumfuck.

Slot needs rope.

You know I am a noble so I have no idea what the duck your talking about.
And I claimed your not noble because I wanted to see Kraska response

And you have been calling us a scum duck and policy worthy all day.
So please go quietly in the corner before I shout in your face and make you.

[Painbringer]

Ashford family is a fucking noble family in the show, are you people dipshits?

[Painbringer]

They aren't a royal family but they are definitely nobles.
The school setting is named after them "Ashford academy"

[Painbringer]

Aristophanes leave the game before I start shouting dyou down your pissing me off

[Painbringer]

Attn: "Nobles" hood.
Painbringer flavor claim is Milly Ashford.
Milly is

not a noble

but they let us think they are one by claiming membership in the hood.

The point is that you're claiming to be a noble.

Lynch this person.
First off, doesn't even know flavor.
Explained before, that Ashford is a noble family, secondly even if it wasn't a fucking noble how does me being noble equate to me being scum? Our ability shows that we aren't lying about flavor, unless you think Frozen gave us an ability to make our fake claim legit, even so what does being noble tie us to being scum again?

Nothing? Ohh right, probably because being noble doesn't equal being scum.
Does anyone get that?

why are the rest of

us nobles

in a hood then but for you?

They claimed to be a noble. (my emphasis added)
This is a lie by flavor. Votes please.

K.

VOTE: PaintBringers

You should leave the game

Attn: "Nobles" hood.
Painbringer flavor claim is Milly Ashford.
Milly is

not a noble

but they let us think they are one by claiming membership in the hood.

Painbringer

, you got some 'splaining to do.

This is so much more bullshit than davesaz

How many fucking games have you played kling?
You want to pretend now flavor = roles
Which btw again you sheep a person that doesn't know shit about the flavor and is wrong about the flavor to begin with.

Fucking hell, I have to vote to lynch Firebringer

and

Titus on Day1.

Shitfuckpissdamn.

VOTE: Painbringer

This is fake.

[Painbringer]

Aristophanes leave the game before I start shouting dyou down your pissing me off

But I love both of you

No, leave.

[Painbringer]

want to bet I wouldn't?

[Painbringer]

Leave the game.

[Painbringer]

VOTE: davesaz

@Ari, No. I want you to stay, stay active, and start using common sense if town.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

I am very upset with your approach to this game.

[Painbringer]

Like, just read the game man. That is what is pissing me off, I don't think your reading at all. Really bothers me.
~Fire

[Painbringer]

I am 99% sure you are town so the fact you:
1) Don't know the flavor at all.
2) Make a vote based on flavor
3) Sheeping scummy players like davesaz and hold their opinions in high standing.

Really really bugs me aristophanes

[Painbringer]

Also i am upset with everyone in general for not knowing flavor.
Like this is an amazing show and you all are ruining this game for me by not knowing the flavor.

>.>

[Painbringer]

if i ever make an anime based mafia game, I am banning anyone who has never watched the show from playing.
Ruins the game for die hard fans.

[Painbringer]

@Ari,

My most common phrase is I know nothing for a reason.

Now, help us with this Davesaz wagon.

He's not bad enough to legitly think that

1) I would lie about my action (99% confirmed)
2) That I would lie about flavor (99% confirmed my flavor is Milly Ashford)
3) That I would lie about being in a neighborhood (confirmable)
4) That I would lie about being a noble (semi-confirmed true)

He's just not that terrible and the reason for his scumread keeps changing. Big indication of a chainsaw.

[Painbringer]

if i ever make an anime based mafia game, I am banning anyone who has never watched the show from playing.
Ruins the game for die hard fans.

Or you could give a link to watch?

[Painbringer]

Vote Davesaz in the mean time based on my winning smile?

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Someone who knows how flavour works in code geass pls explain if Milly Ashford is town. ty friend

She is a school president and member of a noble family who later

gets engaged to Earl Aspun though that gets called off because she doesn't want to get married to him and pursues her passion which is being a reporter

But like I said earlier in the game, theres very few clearly evil characters and I am sure some characters you might be able to construe as good as being scum.

Flavor doesn't equal alignment has been what i have been saying.

[Painbringer]

He's not bad enough to legitly think that

if i had a dollar for every time someone gave this as a reason for a lynch and that person turned out to be town...i'd have a lot of dollars

tell me - which faction operates off the least information and has to make the most guesses and most likely to be wrong? it starts with a T and ends in N

the answer is:

Spoiler:

T

RUCK TRANSMISSIO

N

Which faction plays russian roulette with their rationale for a scumread?

It starts with S and ends with M.

I can be a smartass too.

There's a difference between being wrong and what davesaz is doing.

[Painbringer]

lelouch can be construed as good or bad depending on your outlook of his actions.
He has both horrible actions and good actions.

Its not black and white.

[Painbringer]

He's not bad enough to legitly think that

if i had a dollar for every time someone gave this as a reason for a lynch and that person turned out to be town...i'd have a lot of dollars

tell me - which faction operates off the least information and has to make the most guesses and most likely to be wrong? it starts with a T and ends in N

the answer is:

Spoiler:

T

RUCK TRANSMISSIO

N

Which faction plays russian roulette with their rationale for a scumread?

It starts with S and ends with M.

I can be a smartass too.

There's a difference between being wrong and what davesaz is doing.

it depends heavily on whether her love interest is likely to be scum or town, what do you think?

Flavor has no impact on the stunt Davesaz just tried to pull.

If you have a flavor question ask Fire.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Seriously, you put WAY TOO MUCH credit in flavor reliability.
~GE

i also put credit in the fact that there's been

multiple lies

from painbringer throughout the game and reporterperson is likely to be the same alignment as their love interest

No.

[Painbringer]

Whoever is talking in keyXrb needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP. You are talking out of your ass currently.
~GE

what. alignment. is. lelouch. going. to. be.

Likely.Town.Because.Freedom.

[Painbringer]

Whoever is talking in keyXrb needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP. You are talking out of your ass currently.
~GE

what. alignment. is. lelouch. going. to. be.

Likely.Town.Because.Freedom.

But.No.Way.Confirmed.Nor.Primary.Discussion.Material.

[Painbringer]

Seriously, you put WAY TOO MUCH credit in flavor reliability.
~GE

i also put credit in the fact that there's been multiple lies from painbringer throughout the game and reporterperson is likely to be the same alignment as their love interest

^^ scum.

When are you going to stop spamming and lying yourself? Oh wait...

Go ahead. Try me. Where are the "lies"?

~T

[Painbringer]

actually lelouch would make a perfect cultist player.
his ability works by manipulating people to do what he wants so.

[Painbringer]

Everyone else here too
~GE and above

I would rather vote scum.

[Painbringer]

Hey, I am trying to iron out my scumreads here SSM.

What do you think of RR, DS, Klingoncelt, Davesaz, Random and Rb?

[Painbringer]

Whoever is talking in keyXrb needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP. You are talking out of your ass currently.
~GE

what. alignment. is. lelouch. going. to. be.

Likely.Town.Because.Freedom.

Or is he scum because his Geass takes away an individual's freedom?

Flavor is NAI for just about every character in the show. There are a few characters like Emperor Charles or Tōdō who are likely to be scum and town, respectively, assuming scum is the opposite of freedom, but we don't even know what scum faction is called yet so even an assumption like that is tenuous at best.

Milly is by no means an "evil" character but that doesn't mean she's not scum in this game. She's also not an active freedom fighter in the show from what I remember unless

her journalism gets to be anti-government later on

. Nobility and Ethnicity are mod-confirmed to be NAI in this setup in the signup thread and probably in the OP as well.

If anything I'd say Cupid day and Milly claim confirms PB as noble but that's all it confirms

You do realize that scum piled on this wagon on the basis I lied about those things?

[Painbringer]

Vecna and KainTepes, please either stop trolling or just leave the game.

It's not enjoyable for anyone.

Anyways, gamewise, I'm tempted to say that Leon is town, mechanically, but this is a bastard game, so I can't make any sort of mechanical analyses.

i think leon is town in general as well as mechanically

why are you all reading leon as town?

im not

V/LA until 27th

Will keep up as much as i can

That is why he is a wagon.

I would say its too stupid to be AI but my scumreads plus your slot voting me on mass has me rethinking that.

What do you think of my reads?

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Is rb a noble?

No

You can't switch pledges anyways

Context. Fire was saying that Kraska couldn't align w rb. Wasn't a noble for him.

[Painbringer]

Rb's been screaming personal drama, stating my claim was a lie, and outright shading me since I called out his RVS comment.

Can you gag him if you want to talk and discuss reads tyvm?

[Painbringer]

If you're not willing to discuss reads, I have a bed that's calling my name. I want to see if my reads are indeed accurate. There's usually one or two I miss D1, but I am generally good at spotting town.

[Painbringer]

LOL. get fucked that is the biggest reach ever.

"is rb a noble"
"no"

get out.

you're the one too dumb to be scum here

So you think Random is scum then?

[Painbringer]

i don't know how anyone could have an appreciable read on Random when he's posted like 10 words and been VLA apart from that.

So the fact he managed to contradict himself in those 10 words means nothing to you?

Well, what about the events surrounding random? Do you think his wagon is town driven?

[Painbringer]

Strongly debating voting random, but will sleep on it.

[Painbringer]

Is mcmenno doing stuff in the game? ETF what wolrcmd have I awoken tool to get

Mine.

[Painbringer]

PB, if you're voting Random for inconsistency, you need to self-vote. Either you're being inconsistent, or just downright lying.

What inconsistency would that be?

[Painbringer]

Assuming for one split second that you weren't serious on Leon, then what is your read on Leon? What were you trying to accomplish? What are your reads on everyone pushing your wagon? Who do you think is whiteknighting you?

Right now, you're at lol was kidding pretty please don't vote me, and I vote beady pleady eyes more often than not

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Dancing is an expression for sorting each other. Already said that.

T

[Painbringer]

I'll be breaking down most of the game when I get home.

Just a few more questions for random before hand.

Why are you TRing Leon?
What were you attempting to gain from this "joke"?
What do you call the complete lack of sorting you or those pushing you, yet trying to draw votes away from you but whiteknighting or chainsawing?
Why are you calling the people pushing you "trolls" when they seem straight forward and you are "joking"?
Not liking the total dismissive attitude towards sorting your wagon. You say everyone voting you is stupid, but that doesn't mean und
sortable. There's town stupid and just scum.

[Painbringer]

So you believe it was my deliberare plan as either alignment to contradict my hydra partner, repeatedly? Call RR's attention to said contradiction? Trigger our ability (which is not a dance btw) that is protown to make Fire look stupid?

Do you believe be to be the biggest braindead asshole to Fire?

[Painbringer]

If you were actually reading, you'd see that it was the fact that, at the beginning, you claimed to have knowledge of some "dance", and yet didn't know what your power did.

There is literally no flavor text in our role PMs. Therefore, you're lying and deserve rope.

what kind of stupid logic is this?
i can't deal with DS titus, you deal with him.

[Painbringer]

BTD maker might actually be scum, Kain. Pushing on a player for NAI reasons isn't exactly cool in my book.

His post 1144 is actually inconsistent. It's not good for anything, but it might be. His post is town are incompetent so we should all forgo a cool ability and forget that hoods help us sort people.

[Painbringer]

I'm going to give detailed reads on every slot in the game Kain. I'd love your thoughts on followup.

[Painbringer]

BTD = Lean scum, only pushes on Kain Tepes because "hate his grammar". 1144 is just all sorts of bad.
malpascp = Lean town, he's being engaged and RR's posting at the time was worthy of a vote to see them get involved with the game. I'll watch this slot on followup since their vla ends today.
davesaz = Gun to my head scum (needs sorting for stupid pants), Davesaz after being corrected and told that there is a hood where we're all confirmed nobles to each other, still persists that I'm somehow lying about being a noble. Yet, he expects me to unvote him because he's falsely pursued lies before. He said he was checking for followup, yet he isn't following up on Randomidget himself. The timing of this is also suspect given RR attempted to fish the names out of me and that's when Davesaz starts pushing this. I'm not big on coincidences.
Crystalline Dagger = Town. If you need me to explain, I will. Otherwise, just eat your happy sauce.
McMenno = Town. He's definitely frustrated that I'm still alive, and pursuing that, but it's definitely tunnel mode and frustrated tunnel mode.
RR = Major scumfuck. I'd shoot him with a desperado right now levels of scum. RR is all about hunting inconsistencies and pressuring them as town. Yet, he makes 853. He's saying we are wagoning random for just three posts, and that doesn't work for him. Random had already contradicted himself by that point. RR isn't the least bit curious why. Yet, he IS curious about my noble hoods. A good chunk of his ISO is dedicated to the control of information, rather than the actual discovery of information of reads. Cerb isn't at work, so where is he? Also, the passing off of the hat selection onto Drixx rings hollow when Drixx isn't even in the thread. RR knows just how deadly neighborhoods can be due to our history in Varsoona games, yet he wants them shut down. A more efficient policy would be do not implode unless certain your target is scum or we mislynched in mylo. Cerb needs to get in here if town and actually start producing content. He has no excuses.
kraska = town. The backstab threat looked to be a pretty strong reaction test to see if I was up to no good.
Leonshade = Strong scum lean, I was nulltown reading this until the unvote. The townreading random because of his catchup is bullshit. "My inconsistency was a joke. I'm reading everyone who is pushing me as an idiot" would be a fair paraphrase of his catchup. Leon doesn't really seem to care why random townreads him at all.
SSM = Lean town, I hate hate hated their opening. Yet, it's not outright shading, it's more saying I'm frustrating, so it really doesn't match up the indicator that I found. Yet, their posting in the 400 range strongly picks up. SSM seemed to be suspecting RB with their hat selection, but is now pledging loyalty on RB. That makes little sense to me and I'd like to see that thought process fleshed out and them to interact with my reads.
Alpaca - Impossible to sort. If he can post, I'd like it.
DiamondSentinel - Tone reads town. Brain needs juice. That's the best way to put it. DS's followup seems to be someone who is attempting to critically verify his theory, with no actual critical analysis behind it. His vote being derp town in the quick group that voted me also makes sense. The hating everyone thing is just demoralizing too. IF you hate 90% of the playerbase, don't join. Comments like that do nothing for town.
Keyxrb - I'd murder this with a vig shot if I had one. He completely overreacts to matching a prior scum indicator. He doesn't vet me for alignment, he just launches into loud, whiny discredit mode. Probably scum, but even if town, I would not lose an ounce of sleep if RB left. Key, look forward to playing with you elsewhere.
Drone - Gun to my head town for posts like 450. He has some terrible training advice (outing PR crumbs is good), but I see him scumhunting. Like why is player X being read as town. Drone wanting a hood with me is also rather townie... I think. That is fakable though. He could pledge loyalty to me too and take a shot on a hood, and logically SHOULD be a good thing because I'm town, but since I know nothing meh.
Dark Innocence - Probably town. I like their interactions when both Fire and I danced with them. 553 and 543 are also pretty townie. I'm not a big fan of meta, but they are and they're pushing on what is apparently inconsistent meta. The only post is 1217 that I have a problem with is that they would pledge loyalty to us, but they are afraid of the shade thrown by others? Huh?
culted - Weak town. They have a very limited presence in the thread, but they are pushing on things early before Christmas break.
Vecna - Town. The troll wagon worked well, and it does for those with the ability to obvious town themselves AND are willing to scumhunt those who jump on their wagon. Town.
randomidget - Probable scum. His "joke". His "catchup". The social state of the game, that strongly suggests he is scum.
Klingoncelt - Scummy. (Between Lean Scum and Probable Scum). Posts like 332 are very difficult to read. On one hand, Klingoncelt is attacking a known thread to her early, trying to get in before I can post. (See Suikoden) On the other hand, Grandma should know I'd be all over that kind of posting as town. The laughing at Vecna feels rather forced too in 334. Klingon tested to see if their vote worked by voting random. They planned on moving to rb once the verification came in their vote worked, but nothing. Where is the follow through? They haven't come back since the whole noble hood thing was explained. Yet, why didn't they push this back when I voted them? Why did they wait until I was a wagon? Christmas holidays does mess with this a bit, but I expect more from them if town.
KainTepes - Town. Has the most atrocious formatting, but has very clear scumhunting thoughts underneath it. His formatting has actually improved compared to other past games that makes him much more readable. I'd like his thoughts on this wall. Make sure he does.

[Painbringer]

TLDR - Reasonless reads list

Town: Cystalline Dagger, McMenno, Painbringer, KainTepes, kraska77, Vecna
Lean town: SSM, Dark Innocence
Gun to my head town: Drone, DiamondSentinel (I'd be in vig shot category but this factors in Fire's read), culted
Gun to my head scum: Davesaz
Lean Scum: BTDmaker
Middle Verse Scum: Klingoncelt
Probable Scum: Leonshade, randomidget
Desperado Scum: RR

Vig Shot: keyxrb
Impossible: Alpaca

[Painbringer]

keyXrb was the noble who doesn't know what happens, but why do you think that makes him scum?

No player in the hood knows what happens when loyalty happens.

[Painbringer]

Hi, scum Mom. I has sads. Why can't we be town together? At least you could discredit with true things?
Assuming random being scumread in lots of games makes him low hanging fruit, why was your vote on random ever good? Is low hanging fruit NAI?

No one's scumreading vla. I was scumreading your lack of follow through. Speaking of which...

@Cerb, Got any reads for me, or are you just spouting hoods and town controlled lovers are anti-town?

[Painbringer]

Town: McMenno

Why?

The pissed off annoyance is genuine as fuck.

[Painbringer]

VOTE: KlingonLet's throw down.

[Painbringer]

Hi, scum Mom. I has sads. Why can't we be town together? At least you could discredit with true things?
Assuming random being scumread in lots of games makes him low hanging fruit, why was your vote on random ever good? Is low hanging fruit NAI?

No one's scumreading vla. I was scumreading your lack of follow through. Speaking of which...

@Cerb, Got any reads for me, or are you just spouting hoods and town controlled lovers are anti-town?

We can't be Town together because you're Scum.

And I used true arguments. You made up a story about my thoughts and actions that was nothing but shit. At your worst tunneling moonlogic Town Titus is better than that.

There was a reason to Scumread Random - the contradiction, which seems to have cleared up.

I need to re-read that clearing up bit, though... It cleared up pretty easily...

So, you're claiming you followed up on voting rb and mafiascum ate it? My dog ate it is not a valid excuse.

You didn't answer my questions on random but skirted that entirely.

[Painbringer]

I am pushing you to analyze, to show me the curiosity. Tell me what Drixx is thinking too. I don't need a rock solid conclusion, I need to see you're thinking.

There's an old adage that people talk the most about what's important to them. All I get from that is you care about shutting down communication than scumhunting.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

I'm fairly certain that PB v. KC is TvS. With anyone else, it could be TvT, but since one of them is KC, I almost guarantee that it's TvS. So. I'm in favor of a 1v1 between them.

What makes you say this?

Did you even read my post from before?
~T

[Painbringer]

Diamond, I am looking for a bit more elaboration...

[Painbringer]

I forgot that the Sheriff-Jailor likes to make bullshit claims.

i haven't fake claimed or made a bullshit claim this whole game, which is really surprising since i had like 4-5 things i had plans of pretending to be with flavor but Titus fucked up those plans.

regardless, this is weak. Even from you.

[Painbringer]

There was a reason to Scumread Random - the contradiction, which seems to have cleared up.

no, it wasn't. he came in here and said it was a joke.

speaking of contradictions, you voted us originally for what davesaz said, then we prove he is wrong and you have no problems with him misleading you?

Really?

[Painbringer]

You know damn well that when the three of us are in a game together we all try to lynch each other right off the bat.

No, I (Fire) have explicitly and multiple times gone out of my way to avoid lynching you on Day 1 before.

You do not get to pull this after what you did in Soccer Mafia though.

[Painbringer]

thats a false dichotomy your trying to force there buddy.

[Painbringer]

I don't support a klingoncelt lynch day 1 even though I think she is scum.
She can get vigi, if someone wants to give me a gun ill do it.

[Painbringer]

PainBringer (4): DarkInnocence, McMenno, DiamondSentinel, Klingoncelt

Dissection of wagon:

DarkInnocence-Not reading or really playing. Probably town unfortunately, though I should start reverse reading the Maria part maybe ill get more accurate reads that way.
Mcmemester-For some reason is voting me and thinks I am scum, would like to talk more with. Probably town given his posts so far.
DiamondSentinel-Obnoxious town.
Klingoncelt-Scum ma definitely

[Painbringer]

you loose so much credibility when you just refer me to titus everytime and it turns out its fire bringer posting.
like seriously, 80% of the time you say "hey titus this is so your scum meta" and its me posting.

[Painbringer]

you loose so much credibility when you just refer me to titus everytime and it turns out its fire bringer posting.
like seriously, 80% of the time you say "hey titus this is so your scum meta" and its me posting.

Titus is doing the same thing you are, and I have given up on trying to do meaningful posts with you for this very reason.

P.S. It's lose. Loose is the adjective. Like "Your mom is very loose". Lose is the verb.

you honestly never tried.
and thanks for spelling lesson.

[Painbringer]

rb has hydra slipped more times than some players have actually posted in this game.

[Painbringer]

Bleargh. Once I get home today, I'm gonna do a reread. I'm not doing too well so far.

If you'd be a dear and focus on Gamma interactions after your push for a 1 v 1. If you're town, I hoping you'd see a logical inconsistency.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Why are we lynching PB now? I'm very interested in how the 7 votes on random became 1.

Random explained his inconsistency with Leon read was a "joke", sounds like baloney since it didn't seem like a joke at all.

Everyone at that up.

Also people are saying me and titus are lying about something and voting us. A few scum read us.
The lying part makes no sense.

[Painbringer]

And I am very happy to see you in this game Not Chara

~Fire

[Painbringer]

Why are we lynching PB now? I'm very interested in how the 7 votes on random became 1.

Random explained his inconsistency with Leon read was a "joke", sounds like baloney since it didn't seem like a joke at all.

Everyone at that up.

Also people are saying me and titus are lying about something and voting us. A few scum read us.
The lying part makes no sense.

None of it does Fire, but when you roll with me the closer you get to the truth, the more people press.

Welcome Not Chara.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

RR, do you see the problem here?

[Painbringer]

if it's as obvious a problem as it looks, then i see it too.

and thank you for the warm welcome! i've actually been following this game for a bit, so i have a relative grasp on the mechanics. i am a noble, and DiamondSentinel is town, though wrong about the utility of claiming flavour. it's a bad idea. if that's been established since i last read, my apologies.

If RR, DS, and Klingon don't see either of the problems, do chime in. They're interrelated logical problems, so it could be considered the same one.

I think DS is town and pushing a wrong dichotomy. That much is accurate, but I'm not 100% on town!DS. I'd like your other reads as you develop them.

Also, are you voteless/lifeless today?

[Painbringer]

UNVOTE: Klingoncelt

[Painbringer]

VOTE: Not Chara

I'm following things through to the conclusions. I'll go step by step though because the alignments of RR, DS, and CD should make themselves a bit clearer with this push. I've gotten into bad bad fights with Grandma before, sometimes when I expect to much in terms of logical consistency from her. When she's logically inconsistent in favor of scum, I tend to jump to she IS scum when that's not always the case. Grandma isn't displaying the personality tells like with Suikoden that would be similar to her being scum, but she's spouting enough gibberish where I can't put her as clear yet.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

Given that fake generally means scum, and you think they're both fake, then how can you come to the conclusion they can't be scum together?

Right, keep looking in detail Dave. Just take note of all the inconsistencies here. I am asking you to sit on this though because I want to test some others. Just follow it through.

[Painbringer]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

RR, do you see the problem here?

Seems pretty obvious.

Does this mean if the town lynches you, you'll be suiciding to kill CD?

-Cerb

If the contradiction is obvious, why would the town be lynching me? Wouldn't the suicides be the other way around?

Just what is the logical problem with Gamma's postings? Since they are obvious, you should have no problem detailing them.

[Painbringer]

Right.

Contradiction 1: Gamma calls DS fake, yet in the same post he's voting Klingon who "feels fake". (RR)
Contradiction 2: Gamma argues that DS is being fake with his dichotomy, but says that DS cannot be scum with either one. (Dave)
Contradiction 3: Gamma says that someone who is fake, cannot be scum with the person that feels fake. (Titus)

The most logical conclusion to draw with this is that Gamma has some alternative reason not to want to vote DS. That reason is either DS is town and pushing a dichotomy that Gamma likes or DS is scum and Gamma would like to focus elsewhere. Both of these lead to the impression that Klingon (Grandma) is town.

p-edit: I am sorry Dave. I'll try to limit calling Klingon by her nickname for awhile.

[Painbringer]

UNVOTE:

Bad titus, ur not lynching Not Chara.
Not Chara is great.

[Painbringer]

Not Chara, hows life?
We don't talk much on Skype

[Painbringer]

(BTW, this scenario that's playing out right here, right now, is the EXACT reason why this stupid cupid day thing is dumb.

Now we have someone who is probscum, along with random quite possibly, and we just gave scum a free kill on a competent player because you decided to pair up with them.

...

-cerb

On the contrary, if Gamma is probably scum, I'm immune from nightkills as long as I live. Plus, Gamma has given me a wealth of information to follow from. When I did discuss this with Fire, I was townreading Gamma hydra. It wasn't until Gamma started buddying that I got concerned. I was letting it go as paranoia until this comment and if I pursued things further without highlighting it, that may disrupt the town.

By forcing scum to nightkill themselves, it keeps vocal players alive. Or, if aligned with lurkers, scum remove mislynch bait.

There's zero reason to hold a hat.

VOTE: Not Chara as a test vote

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Absolutely not. I am fully prepared to die. I am just highlighting why town should always align, and scum can never do so.

If I die, unless Gamma has a really good answer, I intend to take Gamma with me.

I am all about positioning scum in no win situations. For instance, if scum are forced to narrow down who can be town, I act to force them to do so.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Nah, I agree with RR.

Random did contradict himself. I don't but the joke explanation either. Leonshade backed off random, thus starting the decline of that wagon based off Random's townreads, that were unexplained and at best a load of GDI. Random went back to townreading Leon, which also didn't make any sense either and Random never justified that.

~Titus

[Painbringer]

Cerb apologies to Drixx in advance for G_i acroymn but I was quoting.

[Painbringer]

Davesaz, not really. I'm worthless now for anything but my logic. If scum shoot me, they shoot themselves. If all the scum wear hats, they systemically lose.

That's why when we took pink, and all the scum took pink, they were taking the position that they didn't want to swap hats with me (we correctly guessed optional lovers). The mere fearful act of all rushing for Pink hats tells us things too. Even if you take the position that dead scum is a net negative (I don't). 1 for 1 benefits town, almost always.

~Titus

p-edit: Thank you.

VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

[Painbringer]

Tell me, would you have triggered the lights out event in Suikoden RR?

~Titus

[Painbringer]

^ probably scum.

If Gamma is scum, that unfortunately means Rb is likely overreactive town.

[Painbringer]

i can't follow my hydra mates thoughts at all.....

Announcing my V/LA here and taking it earlier than expected, Ill be back on the 9th. Titus leads the hydra while I am gone

[Painbringer]

VOTE: Culted
Needs more attention then it's getting
Pedit: I'm asking because I'd rather it be a 2 way road.

Why do you think I'm scum?

maria isn't reading.

[Painbringer]

Stop lying.

ur "skimming" so no, I am not.

[Painbringer]

You're trying to twist my words so yes you are.
Skimming doesn't mean not reading I am very much reading
Do you care to keep lying cause I'd be more then happy to place my vote back
~Maria

am i supposed to be scared of your vote?
anyone can read your posts and see your not actually invested in the game.
i think your town, so like you want to fight me on me telling you that you are obviously not putting a lot of effort in this game?

[Painbringer]

Okay so I'm just gonna assume DarkInnocence vote on me is a heftily delayed omgus.

Votes there are fine too.

they are probably town.

[Painbringer]

Maria, thoughts on Gamma's post?

Why did you vote culted?

~T

[Painbringer]

Who are you advocating voting in 1523 culted? Is it Klingon?

~T

[Painbringer]

Crystaline Dagger is town you should get back on kling.

i agree, i have no idea what my hydra buddy is doing.

[Painbringer]

Crystaline Dagger is town you should get back on kling.

Why?

[Painbringer]

because we are 50+ pages into this game maria and its no longer RVS.

[Painbringer]

*Rubs temples*
As I have said it's not that I'm not invested I'm just quite confused with a few of the mechs going on
I have been reading and playing just like anyone else
the only one who can say I'm not invested is myself and I'm not gonna make that claim
~Maria

Hat mechanics = optional lovers triggerred by dying player
Both players get permanent hood
Hoods must be opposite colors

[Painbringer]

Crystaline Dagger is town you should get back on kling.

Why?

They're flowing with town waves and making good moves.
I can feel their thoughts flow naturally like the ocean.

Explain how Gamma's post voting Klingon "flows naturally like the ocean".

~T

[Painbringer]

It's not a RVS vote it's there for a reason.
~Maria

your face is there for a reason

[Painbringer]

I'm glad you go back to filler posts because you can't admit you're wrong.
~Maria

its a lot more fun making snarky posts rather than "OMG YOU SUCK SO HARD MARIA".

anyways, hows life?

[Painbringer]

Exactly
~Maria

Maria: Exactly
Me: That doesn't make any sense.
Maria: Exactly
Me:You can't just say exactly, there has to be a reason for what you are doing or you are just making up shit as you go
Maria: Exactly
Me: You have no idea what you are doing at all, do you?
Maria: Exactly
Me: (face palm)

[Painbringer]

Pretty good cold as fuck rn but I have to wait for the heat guy to come and that's gonna take 1 hour
~Maria

I am cold too, we had our heater broken other day but they came by and fixed it. I don't think its working that well though. Still cold as fuck. And I am in a dessert, i am a wimp right now.

Its not even below 40 out.

[Painbringer]

Explain how Gamma's post voting Klingon "flows naturally like the ocean".

You think it's a buss?

No. Explain what is natural about voting what "feels fake" over what "is fake".

~T

[Painbringer]

We'll get to why you're scum once you stop dodging my questions, DI.

I haven't dodged a single question and if I was gonna dodge a question I would outright say I'm not answering your question.
~Maria

This is actually true.

[Painbringer]

Explain how Gamma's post voting Klingon "flows naturally like the ocean".

You think it's a buss?

No. Explain what is natural about voting what "feels fake" over what "is fake".

~T

Culted?

[Painbringer]

BTD6_maker, malpascp, Crystalline Dagger (Painbringer), McMenno (Kain Tepes), Leonshade (Aristophanes), ssbm_Kyouko (keyrb), Drone, culted (Venca)

Blue hat (Pink Hat Partner)

[Painbringer]

DS, what do you think of gamma's vote on Klingon?

[Painbringer]

I agreee with NC's analysis of the culted interactions.

[Painbringer]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

[Painbringer]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

By sorting, I mean zolving what people might be thinking. You have zero progress towards figuring out which of me/klingon is scum, zero progress on gamma, zero progress on random and leonshade...zero on rb and rr. You're drifting and just posting a theory.

You did follow up a bit at first, but now, nope.

[Painbringer]

Explain how Gamma's post voting Klingon "flows naturally like the ocean".

You think it's a buss?

No. Explain what is natural about voting what "feels fake" over what "is fake".

~T

Okay that's nitpicking. I said DS's suggestion was fake, but it wasn't scummy. Klingon's SR on you is a scummy sort of fake.
~GE

How can DS be fake without being scum?

(All posts Titus unless signed while Fire is vla)

[Painbringer]

@DS, What are you doing to sort us? To sort the rest of the game?

@Leon, feel free to put your vote back when "caught up". I think there's somwthing fishy about the test vote.

I don't know what you mean by sort, but I get my reads by reading the game, and then thinking about what they could be thinking by that. It's a really really simple process. Why do people do what they do?

By sorting, I mean zolving what people might be thinking. You have zero progress towards figuring out which of me/klingon is scum, zero progress on gamma, zero progress on random and leonshade...zero on rb and rr. You're drifting and just posting a theory.

You did follow up a bit at first, but now, nope.

You should know more than anyone that this is my D1 play. You have played multiple games with me. I just present as many possible scenarios I can think of and then figure out which is true later on. I do substantially better mid to endgame than I do early-game.

So I seem to be vindicated in thinking DS did not have evil intent with that dichotomy
~GE

Correct, Gamma. As I have repeatedly said, this is me separating the game into groups. It works well for the beginning because as flips stack up, it helps me clear up some of the misconceptions. It's my way of creating a townbloc

This is the same move you used in Metal Gear Solid though is it not?

If you're legitimately dividing the party into groups, wouldn't you care which is accurate? Wouldn't you follow through?

[Painbringer]

Did GE just talk his slot into near confirmed town status?

No.

GE is near universally scumread, but people do not want to kill me.

[Painbringer]

I am a fan of Holmes with a bit of scorched Earth myself. Yet, you don't seem to be throwing out more theories or narrowing things down. Where is the hunting?

You've been static.

[Painbringer]

So which is it? You're a passive observer or actively engaged?

P.S. Reaction tests can be golden. I pulled one before that lead to a near flawless victory.

I have also learned a lot from the hat selection.

Tell me, who is scum in pink hats. Blue hats.

[Painbringer]

Hey Titus, can you comment on your box that you said you had? Did it only say box on it? Also, how did you know about this dance thing? I suspect you're lying about your abilities, again. Every time I look at it, I feel like you're lying.

Also, I know I shouldn't go searching for a 3P already, but I am fairly certain Not Chara is 3P.

I'll grab the quotes from my ISO again. I am not particularly keen on repeating myself, when it's the only thing remotely close to analysis you have done. We've had the conversation a lot Diamond.

While I do that, I expect your reads.

[Painbringer]

okay
what is this pandora stuff about -_____-

Opening Pandora's box means you'll get information or something will happen but you got no clue what.

I opened Pandora's box by Meowing.

So yeah, the Cupid Day is me but I am just as informed as anyone else about this.

~Titus

Oh and opening Pandora's box also means there is no going back.

so then does the thing in your pm imply we become lovers?
if so we should probably make sure scummy people are paired with the people most likely to be nightkilled early on

Nope. My role PM says Meow and an event triggers. That's it. I know nothing.

I drew the same inference, but it could be hoods too.

Time to dance.
Who wants to be my dance partner?

I am looking at you Darkinnocence

Wrong game bruh

~Ss

my role pm says i was invited to a dance. if ur not interested shadow, I will ask rb, he likes us.

Ok, well if it could be anything, what would you hope for?

I ask because I got no clue what we just did.

okay
what is this pandora stuff about -_____-

Opening Pandora's box means you'll get information or something will happen but you got no clue what.

I opened Pandora's box by Meowing.

So yeah, the Cupid Day is me but I am just as informed as anyone else about this.

~Titus

It was not shitposting. We just literally didn't know what it did. We didn't want to step on toes either. So what the fork since rb made the game unreadable anyway, let's do it. No one had objections anyway or likely day plans. Let's help get reads, whatever it is.

~Titus

so then does the thing in your pm imply we become lovers?
if so we should probably make sure scummy people are paired with the people most likely to be nightkilled early on

Nope. My role PM says Meow and an event triggers. That's it. I know nothing.

I drew the same inference, but it could be hoods too.

So really early on you say your role PM tells you about a dance (a couple's mechanic from what I understand, never been in a dance game), but then you say you didn't know what would happen, so which is it?

I also agree. There is definitely an inconsistency. Especially since there is no flavortext on my Role PM.

No. Our role PM says an event happens. We triggered our event. Cupid Day happens. We deduce we are the owners of Cupid Day. Nothing about it (dance or otherwise) is in our PM. Also, given the name of the person (Milly Ashford) is our role PM, we are pretty sure it is us. Zero contradiction.

So DS, no flavor? Not even ability name trigger?

~Titus

You distinctly said something about a dance.

But no. There is 100% no flavor on my rolecard.

In RVS.

This thing here isn't related.

Dancing is an expression for sorting people.

~Titus

So you believe it was my deliberare plan as either alignment to contradict my hydra partner, repeatedly? Call RR's attention to said contradiction? Trigger our ability (which is not a dance btw) that is protown to make Fire look stupid?

Do you believe be to be the biggest braindead asshole to Fire?

[Painbringer]

Also, the more I read Chara's role PM, the more I think that they are either 3P or town. I am 99% confident that they aren't main-scum.

PEdit: I'm currently rereading the game, so you'll get the reads eventually. Also, it doesn't matter how often we have this conversation. The more I read these parts, the more I doubt your explanations.

Then you're not asking at all. You're just shading and stalling the game.

When I push you forward, you repeat the same questions over and over.

You are not solving anything.

[Painbringer]

Wait, you can read Chara's role PM?

[Painbringer]

I really wish I could reverse ISO someone. Just remove all of KainTepes posts from the game.

KainTepes ISO is brilliant for him? You scared?

On what post are you referring to with role "explanation".

Dancing is an expression. That answer is never going to change.

[Painbringer]

I disagree with you on at least one of those cases. And I agree with you on none.

This phrasing is wierd.

[Painbringer]

DRONE HAS NOT SAID AANYTHING,, stinky SCUM OF THE EARTH is hiding once again,,,,,,

SCUM IS: randommidget,, DRONE,, BTD6MAKER!!!!!!!!!

Drone is weak across all games, but I like the other two.

I am at btd/random/cd/diamond/rr/keyxrb as my scumpool.

[Painbringer]

DRONE HAS NOT SAID AANYTHING,, stinky SCUM OF THE EARTH is hiding once again,,,,,,

SCUM IS: randommidget,, DRONE,, BTD6MAKER!!!!!!!!!

Drone is weak across all games, but I like the other two.

I am at btd/random/cd/diamond/rr/keyxrb as my scumpool.

Among this list, I like only 2 people on it. CD and KeyxRB are the only 2 I think are good placements.

So, you think me versus rb is S v S?

[Painbringer]

The mystical, it's not you but the other player that makes crap possible argument again.

How are you townreading btd?

[Painbringer]

Reads as of this moment:
Town: DiamondSentinel, Kain Tepes,
Probably Town: Kraska77 (though I hope she suicides in the game), Drone, ssbm_kyuko
Lean Scum: Leaonshade
Scum: keyxrb, klingoncelt (Titus read on that one)

Also, PB, please explain the complete 180 on your read on me and KC

1000 posts and a different head

[Painbringer]

DRONE HAS NOT SAID AANYTHING,, stinky SCUM OF THE EARTH is hiding once again,,,,,,

SCUM IS: randommidget,, DRONE,, BTD6MAKER!!!!!!!!!

Drone is weak across all games, but I like the other two.

I am at btd/random/cd/diamond/rr/keyxrb as my scumpool.

I did forget Leon here too.

[Painbringer]

I couldn't agree more.I couldn't agree more.

The stunt with culted is misdirection.

I posted the list of available hats in 1591. DS was on at the time. Plus he read through. The "forgetting" culted had a partner and submitting his name is likely designed to throw me off culted's scent.

[Painbringer]

It seems very lock clad of CD, DS, and culted now.

Don't you agree rb?

[Painbringer]

Why would that throw you off culted's scent? Do you think scum wouldn't partner with other scum?

Correct. If town has a killing role, or an SK, any scum not imploding puts a big mark on their buddy. Scum get extra kills by aligning with town. It's not likely group scum align with each other, or those likely to implode them, which is why I bemoaned the rush towards pink hats.

[Painbringer]

You could argue DS is wifoming culted, but I find that unlikely.

[Painbringer]

Hey, who is left with a blue hat and unpaired?

-Cerb

BTD6_maker, malpascp, Crystalline Dagger (Painbringer), McMenno (Kain Tepes), Leonshade (Aristophanes), ssbm_Kyouko (keyrb), Drone, culted (Venca)

Blue hat (Pink Hat Partner)

[Painbringer]

IMcMeeno

this is once again not okay

DS' posting is just so slimy now

I've been coming around on the ungodly abomination slot (fb/titus, I hope you're fine on me calling you that, if not too bad)

diamondsentinel can be scum too. and keyxrb wagon can die the fuck off

I agree w everything but abomination...but I guess I have to put up with that. Do not like my townreads calling me that.

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Hey, who is left with a blue hat and unpaired?

-Cerb

BTD6_maker, malpascp, Crystalline Dagger (Painbringer), McMenno (Kain Tepes), Leonshade (Aristophanes), ssbm_Kyouko (keyrb), Drone, culted (Venca)

Blue hat (Pink Hat Partner)

You do realize that the reason I'm doing a reread is because I didn't read it very thoroughly the first time. So if you're going to scumread me, at least scumread me for the fact that I'm not thorough with my reading. Not for the fact that I'm apparently teammates with culted.

Is your reread done?

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Ok, well, we can talk when it is.

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VOTE: DS

Kain, swear loyalty to me?

[Painbringer]

I would be swearing back if I could, but you are not a noble. Know this game is better than your usual game. :nod:

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yeah i am not A NOBLE...................

this is not my best game,, my best game is in VANILLISH by ARISTOPHANES which just ended,, i really tried my VERY BEST in that one but still lost because the IC wont listen to me, my scumreads were 100% correct though!!!!! i even predicted the things they said in the mafia thread which were correct,, and the IC lynched me instead,, so i got angry,,

It happens. Keep up the good work.

Cmon DS. Tactical replace outs are shitty.

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Kain Tepes, troll is troll.

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Kain Tepes, troll is troll.

is this fire or Titus?

Titis. Fire was the troll in the post I was referencing thpugh.

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If it is unsigned until 9th, it's Titus talking.

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NC, what do you think of CD and DS?

Why town on DS?

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VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

Check out Metal Gear Solid and see if you feel the same way.

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Drone, ignore that.

What do you think about the game? Not in the mood to determine the obvious that btd's ISO is actually the worst.

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Unless Drone is really flaily as scum, unfortunately, I really doubt that this wagon is going to flip scum. Call it a hunch. However, my vote stays because this is to scummy to ignore. Either way, you should probably change your play, Drone. You're either flailing as scum or you are way too scummy town.

So let me get this straight. You're voting a townread based on a policy lynch? You're voting over playstyle and selling as a policy lynch?

Why the fuck can we not rope this guy?

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@Diamond, Voting your townreads is terrible. No reason if town. The counter is Gamma. Gamma knows you're fake but votes Klingon for feeling fake. This practically writes itself.

@KT, Drone has never experienced the joy that is Kain Tepes.

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Vote Crystalline Dagger or DS.

They are linked hardcore.

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Btd is also passable.

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also CD is leading wagon opposed to Drone, that's interesting.

i think if either one was scum we'd have more support for the opposing one though, unless everyone is just AFK because holidays. i'd actually rather wagon someone else entirely rn

I think you're wrong on this.
I think your vote on DS is good though.
I think Drone and your slot are counterwagons to scum CD.

It's tempting to swing over to DS because I don't committ seppuku if right, but I also do not want to break up a wagon on scum.

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That's why when we took pink, and all the scum took pink, they were taking the position that they didn't want to swap hats with me (we correctly guessed optional lovers). The mere fearful act of all rushing for Pink hats tells us things too. Even if you take the position that dead scum is a net negative (I don't). 1 for 1 benefits town, almost always.

~Titus

I need to revisit this.

There's a yuge ego thing here, players terrified that they'd have to swap hats with the Almighty You.

But seriously, as tactical, everyScum going for the same color doesn't quite add up.

It seems to me that the Scums would go half blue and half pink and either switch hats with each other or with Townies unlikely to be lynched.

So scum let themselves implode by nking obvious town or become defacto lovers? If they become lovers at all, they take slots unlikely to die yet not obvious town. Poor strategy.

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also CD is leading wagon opposed to Drone, that's interesting.

i think if either one was scum we'd have more support for the opposing one though, unless everyone is just AFK because holidays. i'd actually rather wagon someone else entirely rn

I think you're wrong on this.
I think your vote on DS is good though.
I think Drone and your slot are counterwagons to scum CD.

It's tempting to swing over to DS because I don't committ seppuku if right, but I also do not want to break up a wagon on scum.

you're that sure CD is scum?

i really disliked the Gamma head but I honestly can't tell. i always scumread gamma regardless of his alignment so, meh.

i have no real issue with the players on his wagon though

Pretty sure, yes. 100% no.

I didn't like their protective dissonance towards DS or their buddying in our hood (calling me the best player ever).

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If you want to try and swing a counter, consider our vote there. Not going to stop you.

Fire's our flavor man. I cannot even find where to watch the show.

I don't know what Davesaz was on, but he's acted pretty pants on head before.

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@Key, mutual loyalty swap?

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Oh DS is a thing.

VOTE: Diamond Sentinel

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Hey RR.

Over here.

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Do you have any thoughts on what has happened? You've been prodging forever.

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Ok, when do the excuses end? You were off for the holidays. You're going back to work. Drixx is on a road trip.

Yet, your hydra is posting elsewhere.

Why can't you post and we acknowledge Drixx is vla until tomorrow?

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@Diamond, do you have a PT with culted?

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The question is a bit rhetorical.

If no, you didn't become lovers, which I already told you. So why are you threatening culted other than to create distance? You already swore loyalty to culted before.

If yes, that PT is not a lovers PT because culted is with Vecna. So why threaten? Are you playing dumb to hide a scum PT?