Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[Alisae]

Scum do it to discredit.
And ignoring is also signs of scum.
Town likes to fight against their mislynch.

[bangthemafia]

@Bang

Are you caught up? What are your feelings about this Spade wagon. I was looking over votes and realized your vote is still from RVS stage so I want to here your thoughts.

Hawk, I had a bad day, so not yet read page 12-16. But when I logged in again just now, there were 3 more pages after yesterday. SO started reading after my summaries and Alissae's reply.

I am very uncomfortable with the way Spade's wagon built.

What do people have against Spade? Inactivity? Some answers which some people found weird? Reply instantly after someone (Sorry, but who? I dont remember. Wait, was it Alissae?) voted for him?

In my opinion all these are NAI. On the contrary, Alissae is majorly suspicious to me. Even her reply to me when I asked why a town!Alissae would push contradictory things and make a lynchbait was a question- why scum!Alissae would do that. This is a major scumtell for me.

By the way, Alissae, the answer to your "why scum would do that", is that scum wont do that deliberately. In most cases, it is a scum slip- trying to look extremely pro town by fake scumhunting, in that process making some slips or fast voteshifts, and then post-justifying it as reaction testing or whatever.

So, yes, here I go-
VOTE: Alissae

Voting second time to clarify that this is my serious vote!

And dont you worry. Give me a satisfactory response and I may change. Also, I am gonna read the rest of page 12 upto 17 at leaisure.

On page 13,

Aelin's observations on Spade in #318 and
IV's thought process in #320 looked like quite genuine scum hunting

Page 14 was mostly Spade responding to questions asked to him earlier.

On page 15, nothing much.

Page 16 was just about a video game and avatars and Aelin asking few questions

That brings me to Page 17- where I started posting. After that I am gonna comment postwise

On page 19, KT's 453 looks like a town trying to see point in another town's faulty logic. Thats townie to me. Scum!KT would hav used the erratic logic Alissae presented to throw shade on him. Unless KT and Alissae are scum buddies, of course!

My Summary-
End of page 11-
Aubrey, Kop, CD (mainly due to Jin) strong town lean
Hawk, Mala, LUV, IV, KT Null to slight town lean
Alissae, Aelin scum lean
Spade Null to slight scum lean (reason in a separate post below)

[KainTepes]

anyway, if anyone is too tired to read everything,, this is a summary

my vote is not moving from alisae, evidence is:

1. fake "lynchbait" reaction test smelt like scum justifying scummy behavior by "ITS A REACTION TEST, GAIZ"
2. scumslip about knowing rolecops (when the only role cop is a mafia role cop, and when I questioned it he said "There's a backup role cop", but backup role cop for town doesn't count because the backup is just a normal townie until the scum role cop is dead)
3. trying to push my mislynch
4. role fishing

[KainTepes]

also,

6. Alisae trying to make me claim when i explicitly said i'm not claiming until I reach L1, which isn't townie behavior

[KainTepes]

On page 19, KT's 453 looks like a town trying to see point in another town's faulty logic. Thats townie to me. Scum!KT would hav used the erratic logic Alissae presented to throw shade on him. Unless KT and Alissae are scum buddies, of course!

I'm not townreading that anymore...... look at the last game i played, the last time I tried to see a towny motive in a "reaction test" he turend out to be scum

that and all the subesquent alisae scumdrops

[KainTepes]

like, nothing personal Alisae but you're scum caught in the headlights

[KainTepes]

I know i can be weird and difficult to understand but my scumdar has not failed me,, just ask the people who have played finished games with me

when i get SERIOUS i find REAL SCUM,,

[bangthemafia]

last game pissed me off SO MUCH because nobody listened to me, but from that i found out something SPECIAL,,

which is that ONLY SCUM EVER VOTES FOR ME,, because they find me an EASY LYNCH........ see AELIN, remember the VANILLISH game, only SCUM voted for me (the only town who voted for me was the IC who was mentally challenged and got tricked by scum),,

that is why i am SO SURE that it is HAWK and KOP...... vote them with me, AELIN. I am TOWN and i can prove it

One you can't "prove" your town unless you're claiming PR. Second my vote was not that Oppurtunistic. If anything your votes are oppurtunistic and very sporadic.

401 You vote for Mala here cause she is posturing? Which by your definition I don't think she is I think she is just not choosing to vote because while what she is questioning is suspicious it's not nesscarily scummy and I can see her playing her vote more reserved here.

448 yay let's wagon Spade cause Spade is always scum and isn't playing different from his other games /s. No each game is different while you can from game to game find people's meta people's metas also change as they develop as a player. This is an oppurtunistic vote.

578 This post is most concerning. Spade points out breadcrumbs. Mala responds. Most of us are fine with null or town leaning Mala but you call scum scum scum and lay up pressure off Spade now? why??

582 584 and now we're to gut lynch turn votes because me and Kop think youre acting pretty scummy. This is a very panic'd scum reaction to meat, your exasperated use of caps lock aside.

Pedit: There is nothing you can post that will tell you that I am scum because I know my PM is green -_-;;

PpEdit: God damn Kain calm the fuck down and stop flip flopping your vote lol

if your "role PM is green" then join me in voting ALISAE who has just scumslipped

Please explain how. Hawk is right. You are coming across as a panicked scum

[Hawk]

anyway, if anyone is too tired to read everything,, this is a summary

my vote is not moving from alisae, evidence is:

1. fake "lynchbait" reaction test smelt like scum justifying scummy behavior by "ITS A REACTION TEST, GAIZ"
2. scumslip about knowing rolecops (when the only role cop is a mafia role cop, and when I questioned it he said "There's a backup role cop", but backup role cop for town doesn't count because the backup is just a normal townie until the scum role cop is dead)
3. trying to push my mislynch
4. role fishing

Important information left out of this post.

KT switches to Mala first after Spades read.
KT then switches vote to me and Kop respectively for voting him because of the oppurtunistic vote on Mala.
KT then states he can prove I am scum but won't post.
KT then responds to Alisae about Role cops and creates a fake scum slip because of open information.

It is known that role cop and backup role cop exist. KT makes an and sumptuous of Alisae's questioning and creates a fake scum slip to hide any real scumslip. Also still has not presented information pertaining to how he knows I'm Scum. (Hint: There is none cause I'm Town)

[bangthemafia]

Though I dont think Hawk is town,, he is voting me (so he must scumread me) but he's talking to me like he's sure I'm town,, and of course he's sure i'm town because he is scum and I'm not

Hawk+Alisae scumteam confirmed

Where did Hawk talk as if he knew you are town? Please quote that post

[bangthemafia]

A. Backup Rolecop for town exists

yeah and we're in day 1 so backup rolecop can't investigate yet because nobody is dead

are you an idiot

Isnt same true for mafia rolecop? On day 1, all PRs dont have any info- mafia or town

[bangthemafia]

No Kain...That wasn't a slip.
In fact, I am so happy with my vote right now.
You just dropped my biggest scumtell

Because for some reason you thought rolecop.
But you were wrong becuase
A. Backup Rolecop for town exists
B. I just asked you why you thought Hawk was scum

But you dropped my biggest scumtell instead

ALISAE:

1. says i dropped "biggest scumtell"
2. does not explain what it is
3. scumreads me for not explaining why i know Hawk is scum

can we LYNCH THIS PLEASE,,

Yes, Alisaae, please explain what scum tell KT demonstrated.

And KT, you said you wanted to show something at L-1. I will remember that. You are suddenly behaving very suspiciously and agitated

[KainTepes]

yeah but mafia rolecop is the only one with a guaranteed investigate tonight. The reason why alisae can SAY IT WITH CONFIDENCE is because she knows that rolecop,, in the scum PT

i'm far from panicked scum..... i just know i can easily prove my role if push comes to shove so i dont care if the scum are trying to push a mislynch on me because they will not succeed

[KainTepes]

and i'm not sure why you are all playing dumb now about what i'm trying to "SHOW", isn't it obvious i'm a PR by this point?

[KainTepes]

Town likes to fight against their mislynch.

and that's what i'm doing

[KainTepes]

look at this game that just ended http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69768

tell me you don't understand why i'm pissed off

[Crystalline Dagger]

I am confident that KAIN TEPES is scumlean. The reason is he says that he is confident that he knows Hawk is scum on the last page and then says to Hawk "if you are town then help me lynch Alisae". That is both a quick wishy washy turn in logic AND shows that he is actually not sure what Hawk is. He also seems super panicked. I will confer with Gamma and give our collective thought on KAIN TEPES.

~Jin~

[KainTepes]

that's what they did there too...... scum wagoning me, and i correctly identified who the scum are but town is just calling me "panicked scum' and lynching me before i even finished my posts,, and scum ended up winning.........

i dont know why people can be SO STUPID.........

[bangthemafia]

Okay I'll explain it.

Scum like to push slips that aren't actually slips because they like having a justified vote.

What if its a town who genuinely feels he has caught a scumslip?

[KainTepes]

THANK YOU for being inquisitive, bangthemafia

[KainTepes]

Alisae's posts are full of holes

[Alisae]

Okay I'll explain it.

Scum like to push slips that aren't actually slips because they like having a justified vote.

What if its a town who genuinely feels he has caught a scumslip?

It's a tell Bang...
And it can happen, but usually it comes moreso from a scum mindset because scum really like having a justified vote.

[Alisae]

Alisae's posts are full of holes

If they are full of holes, poke at them and come at me bro.

[Alisae]

Oh wait, you don't want to because your scum.

[Aubrey]

I get the feeling KT is town.