Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[Aelin]

Pretty sure now Bang is town

[KainTepes]

ok,, i know people are online at different times but i strongly suspect not all three scum are within the ones who posted after i claimed,, at most there are two,, or even just one

just basic HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY would say that all three scum won't want to come online and start posting when i'm pretty much scattering votes on anyone who speaks,, that was the point of me scattering votes in the first place,, and provided that ALISAE is town (so scum can just lurk their way into an ALISAE mislynch)

so that means there is DEFINITELY 1-2 scum within:
* INNOCENTT VILLAGER
* KOP
* CRYSTALLINE DAGGER
* SPADE
* LIL UZI VERT
There might even be all THREE,,

[KainTepes]

Pretty sure now Bang is town

tell me why,, i understand the meaning of his posts but i'm not townreading him yet because he doesnt seem to be committed to any kind of stance ever since i CLAIMED

[Aelin]

I dont know why, but i hav startes getting a feeling that Alisae cud be a town.

I also thought all along that Mala had soft claimed. But if not, she cud be a townie too.

In that case, maybe we can lynch Aelin.

Pedit: KT, I dont find anything scummy. Please remember your crumbs were not picked up by many. And you did act very jumpy in last few pages

Also, i hav seen thia happen many times- when someone is a conftown due to being investigated or due to claiming, they start guiding the town against those eho suspected them- in my opinion its NAI. If someone is scummy, even townies will suspect them right?

And duw to the burden oof some extra knowledge, sometimes PRs do tend to behave in a way thats similar to acum.

I m signing out. Its 3.30 am here. But please dont wagon anyone beyond L-2.

Post is very reasonable and I feel like scum hypothetically who wanted to make it look like Mala was softclaiming would not back down and could secure a lynch on Mala as lynchbait for "softclaiming vig".

[KainTepes]

you didn't seem to townread Mala before,, though, AELIN,,

Mala calling Spades town for rolefishing os also really scummy.
Ah nice one KT. Done that in a game before with a "broken image url" but died before I could use it

why are you suddenly acting like you are sure MALA is town?

[KainTepes]

I feel like scum hypothetically who wanted to make it look like Mala was softclaiming would not back down and could secure a lynch on Mala as lynchbait

this implies that you know or think that MALA was town,, but just a few of your posts prior you were calling mala SCUMMY,,

[Alisae]

Reads list.

{Me, Kain, Aubrey}
{Kop}
{Bang}
{IV}
{Uzi, Hawk, Mala, CD)
{Spade, Aelin}

[KainTepes]

Reads list.

{Me, Kain, Aubrey}
{Kop}
{Bang}
{IV}
{Uzi,

Hawk

,

Mala

,

CD

)
{Spade, Aelin}

the bolded scumreads are what i am CURIOUS about,, especially HAWK

are you scumreading hawk?

[Alisae]

Yeah.
Mala and CD are gun to my head scum.

[KainTepes]

you have a lot of 'gun to my head' scum when there are only 3 scum though,,

why did you change your view?? werent you townreading hawk before?

[Aelin]

you didn't seem to townread Mala before,, though, AELIN,,

Mala calling Spades town for rolefishing os also really scummy.
Ah nice one KT. Done that in a game before with a "broken image url" but died before I could use it

why are you suddenly acting like you are sure MALA is town?

no. That is not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that the situation is not Bang being scum and Mala being town. I'm not saying that Mala can't be scum.

[KainTepes]

I feel like scum hypothetically who wanted to make it look like Mala was softclaiming would not back down and could secure a lynch on Mala as lynchbait

this implies that you know or think that MALA was town,, but just a few of your posts prior you were calling mala SCUMMY,,

how is this not townreading MALA though? if you say "bang cant be scum because scum will want to lynch Mala for being lynchbait" that implies that mala is town,, because why will scum want to lynch their scumbuddy for being LYNCHBAIT?

[KainTepes]

ie your townread of BANG is dependent on mala being town,, but you're still scumreading Mala

why cant it be BANG and MALA both being scum?

[Aelin]

Yes that possibility sprung to mind after I clicked submit. But honestly, mafias reads in games often go stale and are set in stone even distancing reads but Bang thought it through and changed.
Towny thought lrocess

[Alisae]

you have a lot of 'gun to my head' scum when there are only 3 scum though,,

why did you change your view?? werent you townreading hawk before?

Because honestly, I'm not paying that much attention anymore.

[KainTepes]

Wish there was a cop in this game, could clear KT instantly.

so UZI once you are online answer this: i am now cleared,, do you have anything to say?

[KainTepes]

you have a lot of 'gun to my head' scum when there are only 3 scum though,,

why did you change your view?? werent you townreading hawk before?

Because honestly, I'm not paying that much attention anymore.

alisae i know i am asking a lot of questions but please answer them,, I need to get more information to GUARANTEE the CONSISTENCY.....

"honestly not paying much attention" means you dont want to play the game anymore,, and you'll be acting in a way that is hard to read and if you are town that is not HELPFUL,,

please replace out if this game is making you unhappy,, nobody will blame you

[Alisae]

Nah, I'll play this. I'll get back to you on the reads shit after I ISO a few people.

[Hawk]

What does the phrase Gun to my head Scum mean? Does it mean your read because you're under pressure? Or something different?

I think Aelin's is my strongest scumlean. Mala townlean. Alisae idk anymore I can see from her explanation why she would think the things she did as town but scum!Alisae has good reasoning behind alot of her actions too.... so it's more null right now then one or the other.

The only thing that Bothers me about Bang is that he hasn't committed to a read with a vote this whole time but FWIW that seems to be Bangs MO since his catchup. Hang back and evaluate and analyze. He's providing good content and ScumHunting slightly. Asking good questions. I town read him for that.

Aelin is extremely inconsistent right now. She just said I think the situation is Bang is town and Mala is scum. Never saying Mala can't be scum.

This falls in line with her very own logic that scum would want Mala lynched for easy lynch bait because of soft Vigi claim. She pointed all this out before because she was inferring people like me and Alisae would move to Mala because of it but we didnt. This makes it seem like shes trying to group us all together despite her not falling into that line.

She also distances herself from Spade and Alisae pointing fingers. one of which I think his her scum buddy (leaning Spade still here). Aelin has been extremely inconsistent for me.

@mod Can we get a VC so we can see where we are and make an informed wagon to get some people to talk.

[Alisae]

It means if you forced me to take a stance, thats what my stance is.

[Aelin]

I never inferred you and Alisae moving to Mala.

[Hawk]

It means if you forced me to take a stance, thats what my stance is.

Okay makes reading your ISO's easier.

Feeling better about a Null/Town on Alisae if anyone else wants an explanation I will provide.

Top scum are Spade and Aelin +1 not sure who but I don't think it's Aubrey, Bang, or Mala. Just can't believe a world where the Spade Mala interaction happens and they're both Scum.

[Hawk]

I never inferred you and Alisae moving to Mala.

753

Don't fucking ly. You infer it right here. If scum want to make it look like Mala was soft claiming wouldn't back off. That assumes that the scum in question at the time (people voting for KT) wouldn't back off and go for an easy lynch on Mala. That means Me, Alisae, and Kop. But we don't think Mala is scum you do. You're lumping us together saying if we were scum we would press Mala for an easy lynch. But we don't. And now you have made this opinion of yours public meaning you won't pursue Mala despite just scumming her earlier grouping you with us. Now you're back pedaling saying Mala could be Scum with Spade.

All distractions to move yourself into a group who wasn't looking for an easy lynch so your Scum read on Mala wouldn't look oppurtunistic.

[Hawk]

Addendum to my above post.

If I'm wrong about how I'm Inferring your 753 please elaborate why you would make this post.

[Alisae]

Yeah Hawk is town. I think he's genuinely trying to gamesolve.
CD and Mala are just gut reads that I'll look into a bit more later.