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[Titus]

Titus can be confirmed later, no need to lynch her

This is a counter to scum.

[shannon]

Look someone needs to move if we're going to get a lynch. I'm prepared to do it, but I want an answer to this first:

What is the point of a two-person neighbourhood if both people in it are *always* town? What makes it different from a masonry, but for the lack of formal confirmation of the other's alignment? (What I mean is: Why would you choose neighbours instead of masons, if neighbours are always town too?)

Greens below are what the wagons look like from my perspective right now, if I follow you all and say T+D are both town. I think Gerry and TTTT are not a team, so I'm wrong someplace. Gut says Titus scum; head says that Drone is probably a better choice if we *really have to* lynch in that pair and in case I'm wrong about Titus.

The only people I 100% won't compromise on to are Rask and Sesq. I 90% won't go SSBM, I have null reads on TTTT and Gerry.

UNVOTE: to show genuine intend to change if reasoned with.

Putting all of the above out there in case I'm lynched or NKed, it's Sunday evening here so the Day could plausibly end while I sleep tonight.

VC 3.12

shadonra (3)

:

Titus, Drone,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

Titus (3)

:

shannon

, TTTT,

Sesq

-- L-2!

shannon (2)

:

Raskolnikov,

shadonra

Drone (1)

:

ssbm_Kyouko

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

[Drone]

@Drone
What do you think of shadonra?

I'm actually not so fine with Shadonra wagon. Unlike Impoetic.

@Shadonra
TTTT, Gerryoat or Kyouko?

Same question for you Raskolnikov.

I want more from Shadonra before he's lynched.

[Drone]

UNVOTE: Shadonra

Oh and, unvote Titus. Ty.

[Drone]

Especially you Shannon.
I think there's a good chance Gerryoat is scum.

[Drone]

2549

[Drone]

Oh and Kyouko.
If you're scum, good job.
If you're town, stop tunneling.

[shannon]

Especially you Shannon.
I think there's a good chance Gerryoat is scum.

2549

I saw that post too and went that's what prompted me to re-think.

I already unvoted but I'll put the name in it just to be sure. UNVOTE: Titus

[shannon]

Oh and Kyouko.
If you're scum, good job.
If you're town, stop tunneling.

I'd ask Rask to do this too. Take me out of the equation, who is your focus now?

[Drone]

Rask actually gives points of relevance.
Kyouko is telling conspiracies.

Now, my focus is to observe Shadonra and his actions.
I'm saying this openly because I'm not going to lynch him, not today.

You Shannon, can actually be a lynch candidate.
I'm wondering where Rask saw that I condemned your wagon, cause I didn't. I just left it.

TTTT + Gerryoat are my biggest concerns.
They are null to many, and turning nully null to me.
Something about sitting on the fence. I guess?

Titus;
Not lynching. End of discussion.

Raskolnikov; same as Titus.

Sesq; I'm still wondering about her but she's not my focus. She's better looking than Gerryoat, TTTT and Kyouko.

[Raskolnikov]

Mmm

[Raskolnikov]

Okay, shannon wagon isn't happening I guess, unfortunately I'm not as confident in it as going into today either despite all the inconsistencies I said.

Drone could still be scum here, interaction with me reads buddyingish from the getgo. Problem is shannon and drone's reads and stances are so similar one's gotta be town... In the past I'd have been turned off by the neighbour thing but literally every game I've lost has been when I trusted probability and speculation over reads and play.

Could compromise on Sesq or TTTT as a third option here... Sesq doesn't ever go into much detail and I don't know is figuring the game out or not, vote/unvote of me yesterday she said was a error in reading but is kind of ridiculous.
I thought TTTT was okay earlier but I actually don't know his reason behind anything either... He did fencesit a lot today and idk how you take both sides of something like titus vs impoetic/shadonra.

[Raskolnikov]

Shannon is a mislynch.
Titus is scum with either Shad or Rask.
I'll move back to Shad if need be, but this feels better.
VOTE: Titus

You think Titus fakeclaimed universal backup and used a no-result as a guilty all to try to distance with her scumpartner??

[Raskolnikov]

Actually, TTTT hasn't talked about me at all but seems to put me as everyone scumpartner.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Drone

Could go back to shannon or switch to TTTT.

Drone basically I feel is buddying with his read onto myself. We haven't played with each other THAT much so his "oh it's my old pal rask he's obvtown from" the moment I got in is weird... He doesn't really seem bothered by my read on him so far either so idk if he's been hoping it'd go away by itself or something if not made a big deal out of.

Tempted to do TTTT instead but the neighbour stuff edges it out. I want all setup spec questions and it as a general focus gone sooner than later if possible ESPECIALLY if I'm not going to be around then. Flip/hardclear information forces scum to kill town titus or have her be confirmed, and better to resolve setup spec questions sooner than latter; scum, scum neighbour or town all at least progress the game.

[Titus]

Why the FUCK can we not lynch the Impoetic slot?

It had not voted for 3 dlfucking days, which is as close to a scumclaim as it gets.

The whole flipping town Drone neighbor confirms nothing. He is gun to my head lynch for Impoetic defense, but that's gradually shifting to the whole thread.

[shadonra]

@Drone
What do you think of shadonra?

I'm actually not so fine with Shadonra wagon. Unlike Impoetic.

@Shadonra
TTTT, Gerryoat or Kyouko?

Same question for you Raskolnikov.

I want more from Shadonra before he's lynched.

I would take Gerry. I think he's been worse than TTTT overall, and I didn't think kyouko looked that scummy on reread (but his perspective on the game was like upside-down to me. Sesq is here too sometimes)

Going to new year's lunch, back later

[Loopdan]

Shannon is a mislynch.
Titus is scum with either Shad or Rask.
I'll move back to Shad if need be, but this feels better.
VOTE: Titus

You think Titus fakeclaimed universal backup and used a no-result as a guilty all to try to distance with her scumpartner??

Have you never seen scum death-tunnel their partner and then coast to victory?
Not saying that's happening, but it could be
something about Titus is off
saying a no-result means the target is scum makes zero sense
I thought Imp was scum earlier but dropped it when it got no support
My only concern with the Imp/shad lynch now is that Titus is pushing it.

[Loopdan]

@Drone
What do you think of shadonra?

I'm actually not so fine with Shadonra wagon. Unlike Impoetic.

@Shadonra
TTTT, Gerryoat or Kyouko?

Same question for you Raskolnikov.

I want more from Shadonra before he's lynched.

UNVOTE: Shadonra

Oh and, unvote Titus. Ty.

@Drone
plz explain the unvote

[TTTT]

^^obviously those two posts are me

[Drone]

Yeah.

@Rask
The difference of tones is so great that it's pretty damn obvious.
After that game I checked your wiki too.
C'mon guys read Newbie 1743 and tell me if Rask is not obvtown.

[Drone]

@TTTTdan
I already explained.

[Drone]

Also Rask.
If was scum, you wouldn't have lived through night 2.

[Raskolnikov]

This'll be no-lynch at this rate.

Everyone needs to be voting here. One of shannon, drone, TTTT preferably.

[Raskolnikov]

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

With all the V/LAs active we really can't leave this for last minute.