Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[KainTepes]

:/ why y'all town read that I'll never know.

Cause scum would never vote themselves in order to seem like a frustrated townie.

it's within the NATURE OF HUMANS.......... anger at people on your own side who suspect you will cause you to do EXTREME THINGS...........

whereas scum is less likely to be angry because they KNOW THEY ARE BAD ANYWYA

[Aubrey]

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[KainTepes]

why you DOT,,

[Aubrey]

Because I don't agree with your reasoning.

1. Voting yourself if you are town is straight up bad. There is absolutely no town benefit in doing so. I also think it more likely for a townie to just hammer themselves in anger vs. voting themselves before L1.

2. It is a scum tactic to feign anger and vote yourself in the hopes that people see it just like you all are seeing it. This is just a fact. I also have a game that I can provide that will demonstrate this. Hell Gamma (a head of Dagger) can also aggree with this since he replaced into the very scum slot I'm talking about who voted herself (hoping to get rid of the suspicion against her), and then rage quit leaving him to take over when a number of us were not buying into it.

[bangthemafia]

@Aubrey, Not sure what you are saying here-

:/ why y'all town read that I'll never know.

This sounded as if you mean you scumread Alissae

Cause scum would never vote themselves in order to seem like a frustrated townie.

Whereas this sounded as if you townread Alissae coz he did vote for himself at some time.

[KainTepes]

thought that was just aubrey being SARCASTIC though

[Aubrey]

<----- is a sarcastic asshole.

<3

xoxoxo.

[bangthemafia]

Because I don't agree with your reasoning.

1. Voting yourself if you are town is straight up bad. There is absolutely no town benefit in doing so. I also think it more likely for a townie to just hammer themselves in anger vs. voting themselves before L1.

2. It is a scum tactic to feign anger and vote yourself in the hopes that people see it just like you all are seeing it. This is just a fact. I also have a game that I can provide that will demonstrate this. Hell Gamma (a head of Dagger) can also aggree with this since he replaced into the very scum slot I'm talking about who voted herself (hoping to get rid of the suspicion against her), and then rage quit leaving him to take over when a number of us were not buying into it.

Agree. Esp your point about voting oneself before L-1 vs hammering is very valid. So who is scummiest to you among Alissae, Aelin, Spade and IV? Or do you include CD and Mala too in ur top scum reads. We are now just 2½ days away from deadline and I dont want any last minute chaos.

[KainTepes]

yeah I guess it could be a scum tactic,,

do you think hawk is SCUM??

VOTE: Alisae

[KainTepes]

i think Alisae should be the correct lynch for TODAY,, i'm not really feeling AELIN as very scummy but ALISAE is

[bangthemafia]

I m ready to vote any of those 2. Will change to Alissae if a wagon builds there.

[KainTepes]

yeah ok,, i just reread the thread quickly and ALISAE really screams scum to me,, i shouldn't have let her self-voting cloud my reads

i am SURE she is scum,,

and jailkeeper please protect me tonight because i dont know who to SHOOT so i will probably shoot randomly

[KainTepes]

i will not move from ALISAE..... i'm sure she's scum. Vote her, bangthemafia,, a wagon will only build if we actually BUILD one

[KainTepes]

also an ALISAE flip will give the most information

[bangthemafia]

I m sleeping now. Its midnight in my country. Will sleep over it. Also before the day end is hastened up, I wanted Spade's remaining reads which he left in middle after he saw Mala's softclaim.

[KainTepes]

we only have 2 1/2 days to lynch Alisae,, if we dont get an Alisae lynch today i WILL shoot whoever who has shown reluctance in lynching alisae near deadline

[bangthemafia]

Also irrespective of what JK does, Vig must shoot their scummiest read.

[KainTepes]

we can worry about spade tomorrow. right now alisae is scum

[Hawk]

Aelin comes in and posts one response and everyone else just ignores how flip floppy she is? Please that to me is a hard scum tell especially since she felt like she needed to post in the chaos that was yesterday and flip around so much with very little content contributed. While yes I can understand trying to break your Meta and avoid just the OMGUS argument I legitimately feel like maybe that her and Spade were trying to distance each other in a rather apathetic game and take an opportunistic hit towards Mala.

Under no circumstances should town ever reveal the breadcrumb of another player like that. People breadcrumb so they can confirm after something that they are a role. Example Right now KT is only 99% confirmed. If he had been able to shoot tonight uninterrupted and hit his crumb target he would be 100% confirmed. As it stands Aelin and Spade still don't read well to me. Aelin for her inconsistent play and Spade for his shit on Mala. Even if he went out of turn because we urged him to read Mala he still hasn't given us reads on everyone else and his read on Mala is like the exact opposite of what I was expecting having known he found a Mala breadcrumb. Like he finds the breadcrumb and then scumread Mala. That makes no sense to me because KT hasn't reveased his Vigi claim and I don't think anyone noticed his breadcrumbs.

I'm just now getting up and still have a slight headache from yesterday. Let me get back to yall. My read list was as follows before I'll updated it later today.

Town:
Myself of course
KT
Kop
Aubrey
Uzi
Bang

Null:
CD
IV

Scumleaning:
Mala
Alisae

Scum:
Spade
Aelin

Like I'm okay with lynching Alisae I just want to review everything before making my decision. I have a bad feeling that maybe Alisae made some appeals to emotion yesterday that I didn't pay attention to and my scum lean is much more of a scum hard lean. But I still don't like Aelin or Spade either.

Want to hear the rest of Spade's reads before the deadline. But after scum reading Mala when she could potentially be soft claiming Vigi I don't like it.

Also that list is in order of strongest to weakest. My Null read on IV is mostly from his lack of content I don't want to tunnel on the little content he has provided when the other 4 below him have provided way more.

I will get back to you KT in just a little while.

Hey bang when you say either of those two you mean Aelin Alisae right? I'm leaving my vote on Aelin till I finish rereading yesterday and what happened today.

[Spade_Ace]

@Hawk confirmation bias much?? Did you check out the very first sentence on my Mala read?

Mala - Scum Lean (keeping aside Post 522)

I didn't know what to make of the breadcrumb issue, didn't clearly understand Mala's response to it and everyone seemed to think it was a bad idea. So I 'kept that aside' from my read. I gave a scumlean way before Kain claimed Vig. How is this being opportunistic? Also unlike everyone else I dont believe exposing breadcrumbs is anti-town.

Also explain to me how I am distancing myself from Aelin? She is clearly dragging me down with her. I have been calling her out on her convenient scumread from the start.

Hawk I am starting to really not like you. You simply used Alisae's argument,Post 555 against me. Your breadcrumb issue was already explained in detail by Kop and bang. Do you not have any original thoughts or arguments??

Also, what is the deal with everyone about my reads.
Scum - Aelin, Mala
Scum leaning - Alisae, hawk
NULL -IV, CD, bang, Lil
Town - Aubrey, Kop, Kain
Expected CD to be defensive against my accusations. He simply didn't care. Quite indifferent throughout the game.
VOTE: Aelin

[KainTepes]

the fact that it's so difficult to build a wagon on ALISAE is further evidence that she is scum,,

[KainTepes]

i want ALISAE lynched today not AELIN

[Alisae]

i want ALISAE lynched today not AELIN

Then shoot me tonight

[Alisae]

oh wait, I'm town, don't do that.

[Malakittens]

@spade:

Theoretically speaking, if I was an actual vig this game and I replied to that exposing of crumbs. Would you want me, as a vig, who had little votes on me to reply with anything, but I replied like. You would have rather had me say 'yes you're right about finding the crumbs I'm a vig'?

(No one twist this in me saying I'm a vig because that's not what I'm saying)