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[Creature]

It wasn't serious either way, otherwise you wouldn't notice me here.

[Ircher]

He also lurked in Micro 600 as town. NAI.

[Zachstralkita]

I have a problem with both Debi's logic and people voting Debi for such logic.

You think scum is pushing Debi for lynch bait?

On these type of wagons you will have potential scum and just town who actually believes that is a valid reason to lynch someone

I'm familiar with a few but not a lot of who's in this game.

[Dunnstral]

They're trying to fake a townslip. I wanna see who's gonna try to fake a townslip next.

That's a bit of a reach. Quite a moderate one actually.

Let's be friends!

sttop

[Debi]

If its OK, can I have your reason as to why you switched to Creature? It is easily interpretable that you changed vote afterwards to try and get rid of suspicions. I'd just like proof that this isn't the case.

Okay, I'll just lurk

through all the first 3 days so scum won't kill me early. Hopefully scum are lynched meanwhile.

Counting the ones I played somewhat relevantly:

Micro 597: Went super aggressive but didn't try to look like I was solving anything
Mini 1787: Showed obvious scum motivation
Newbie 1703:

Lurked, been called lurker lot of times

Open 643:

Lurked and eventually flaked out

Micro 619:

Lurked and coasted

Wake's Role Madness:

Lurked and coasted

The Walking Dead:

Lurked a lot

, my other hydra head had to do the most
Micro 647: Was actually towny there, but still lurked a bit

Likely all very different from my townplay

He also lurked in the Hungergames which is where this quote came from in the scum chat.

OK so if that is the case, its kind of obvious you think that he is Scum or at least, not town. You probably didn't vote for a reaction, he has already been voted for a lot, so its not that good of an idea, if you were voting for a reaction, you would vote somebody else. Also, things in other games, shouldn't influence this game, but if you are going down that route, he doesn't show any suspicions when considering that because he was wanting to play the same was as his other games. Also if you think he is Scum, why didn't you vote for him earlier? His post about lurking was made a while before my post for you and pine. Due to this, you would have thought of him as Scum straight away, due to your own reasoning. Therefore another question. If it is true that you thought he was Scum, why did you wait until after your initial vote got pressured.

To be honest, I don't think that you genuinely think Creature is Scum. From the first impressions, you seem like a somewhat intelligent player, so I have serious doubts that you would have missed this. Therefore you just give me more reasons to believe you voted for Creature, due to me pressuring your vote, and not wanting to come up with a sufficient answer. So as far as I'm concerned. You are Scum until proven elsewise.

[Alisae]

Dunnstral thoughts on the current game sofar?

[Dunnstral]

TheRealGin-N-Tonic, there is something I'm failing to understand to do with your current actions in the round. You have voted to lynch Pine, which is all well and done, at this point in the game, 99% of the votes, won't have any ulterior motive behind them whatsoever, which is fine, if you don't have any main reason to be voting for Pine. However, you have currently created a contradiction, when trying to prove that your vote on Pine is legit, and has reasoning. The main problem with it, is as below:

It might be one-sided on Pine's side considering he's only made one post showing he's online but stopped saying anything afterwards, however on my end, to give you context to the vote, I recently played a game as an IC and Pine had day talk as scum and manipulated me throughout the game till I sided with him in LyLo and lost the game for town and said I'd vote Pine every game we play together that has daytalk.

I'd love to be able to tell mods in advance what roles to give Pine and I but the likelihood of me playing a game with Pine and I on opposite factions to set up a grudge vote scum theatre just for this game IF we both happened to roll scum would be a god like miracle. However, as much as I wish that was actually true, it is literally a close to impossible scenario, ergo the most logical conclusion is to not treat it as such and wait for more substance throughout the thread before you think you honestly caught 2/X scums when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them.

You are claiming that it is very unlikely, for both you and Pine to both be scum in the same game, however the roles are chosen randomly, and I believe in a random order. So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it. If Pine was first to get a role, then you, there'd still be a high chance of you both being scum:
For Pine to be Scum: 9/19
If Pine is Scum, For Gin to be scum: 8/18
Therefore, For both to be Scum: Roughly 21/100

So it wouldn't be a 'god like miracle', ever.

Also another thing, when voting for somebody, you might thing they are suspicious or whatever. Therefore I have a question for you. If you are wanting to vote Pine, and argue for the vote on Pine, why are you suggesting he might not be scum via the 'when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them'???

UNVOTE: Alisae
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

You're really weird but I don't dislike it

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral thoughts on the current game sofar?

ya it's nice

good quality game

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I voted creature before I even knew you existed

[Dunnstral]

debi solid town btw

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

She is but this misrep shit is killing me

[Debi]

My bad, I was reading through and read 34 as 84
sorry.

[Dunnstral]

I voted creature before I even knew you existed

Me? I didn't say anything to you or about creature

[Dunnstral]

Hey Debi, it sounds like you've got a bit of a feel for Alisae, do you have a read on him?

I'd like to suggest that based off of gut feelings there is a good chance they are scum.

VOTE: Alisae

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Dunn, that was @Debi

[Debi]

Hey Debi, it sounds like you've got a bit of a feel for Alisae, do you have a read on him?

I'd like to suggest that based off of gut feelings there is a good chance they are scum.

VOTE: Alisae

To be honest I have no idea. He hasn't been posting much so I can't get many impressions. All that I've noticed is he prefers memes and gifs to actual arguments, coming from a position of where I've played with him before, I don't know why he isn't contributing much.

[Alisae]

Dunn why are you buddying Debi?

[Alisae]

Is asking questions not contributing?

[Zachstralkita]

All that I've noticed is he prefers memes and gifs to actual arguments,

A man after my own heart

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Is asking questions not contributing?

[Alisae]

I'm not making any arguements against anyone because quite frankly I'm not attempting to push for a specific lynch at the moment.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hey Zach, what's your thoughts on Lil Uzi?

Also if you're looking for someone whose got those good memes...

[Zachstralkita]

Hey Zach, what's your thoughts on Lil Uzi?

Also if you're looking for someone whose got those good memes...

Refer to my first post.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

They're trying to fake a townslip. I wanna see who's gonna try to fake a townslip next.

Hey if my role pm is green which side am I on?

I agree. Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup, which in this case means scum. It's also such an absurd ratio that it would have to mean multiball.

Vote: Debi

Mmm that's a g00d VOTE right there
right there
if I do say so myself (i do say)

Lol Debi, You don't get the context as to why it's actually a god like miracle and because you opened to the door to the maths, let's do it. (I'll also go over your other concerns but let me have some fun here)

Spoiler: Maths for the fuck of it

I have two completed games under my belt and then this one I'm playing. So far out of all 3 of them, Pine has been them all.

Now the first game was the HungerGames Round 2 and that contained 17 players and there was 4 evil roles so we start out as me landing scum with a 4/17 chance. Now we multiply that by the Pine having the slot of scum as well so it's 3/16. Let us not forget that Pine also replaced in to a scum slot so that's a 3/16 chance he had the chance of replacing in to a scum slot and join me with day talk which is a 1/2 chance of being included.

Next, we move onto a game we just had where we had 5/8 townies and that was my chance of landing townie and 3/7 chance for Pine to land scum that game and again, 1/2 chance of having a game together with day talk.

Finally, this is where we do a little assuming here but I doubt the maths change would be astronomical. We assume a 4:1 ratio of scum meaning we have 5 scums this game, Now by the way the PM was worded, I'm going to go under the premise of a 5 man scum game meaning there would be a 5/19 chance I roll scum and for Pine a 4/18 chance he's scum.

After multiplying by 100 to give us percent, we get

0.006475749% chance that all of this has occurred so Pine and I could use that as scum theatre.

Nice, using Pine's alignment in your previous games as basis for you 2 not being scum together. That's great logic there

Btw, did anyone check the forums Debi linked to see if their games are usually 10v9?

Seems irrelevant. Looks like 10 and 9 are numbers picked because there are 2 factions and Debi split the players in half. There's no way any site would be running 10town:9scum, that's D1 LyLo.

I'm not making any arguements against anyone because quite frankly I'm not attempting to push for a specific lynch at the moment.

Okay so if you're not pushing a lynch why are you voting Creature? This doesn't look RVS

Good points Pine!
VOTE: Creature

VOTE: Alisae

FoS:Wraith

[Alisae]

Voting Creature because I disliked how he immediately assumed singleball and I hate how he immediately assumed scum theatre between Pine and Gin