Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[JaeReed]

VC 3.13

shadonra (2)

: Titus, gerryoat

Titus (2)

: TTTT, Sesq

Drone (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Raskolnikov

shannon (1)

: shadonra

NOT VOTING (2)

: shannon, Drone

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

ssbm_Kyouko is V/LA til the 2nd.

[shannon]

TL;DR of pool so far
Drone wants TTTT, Gerryoat or Kyouko
Rask wants Drone, Shannon, TTTT
Shad wants Gerry, not Kyouko, not TTTT
Shannon wants TTTT, Gerry, not Sesq or Rask

It looks like we can compromise to TTTT?

VOTE: TTTT

This vote comes in the morning for me, I'll be back in the evening and tomorrow morning. I won't let the day go with a no lynch if it's up to me.

[Raskolnikov]

Also Rask.
If was scum, you wouldn't have lived through night 2.

You're saying you'd just autokill me everygame regardless of anything?

In the game we played I mislynched d1 and my reads weren't even good.
Pretty sure you killed me there because I was literally the only town SE in that game with everyone else a newbie so I don't even think that counts.

[Raskolnikov]

If you're in the spirit of compromise why start a new wagon instead of hopping on e.g. drone?

[shadonra]

Look someone needs to move if we're going to get a lynch. I'm prepared to do it, but I want an answer to this first:

What is the point of a two-person neighbourhood if both people in it are *always* town? What makes it different from a masonry, but for the lack of formal confirmation of the other's alignment? (What I mean is: Why would you choose neighbours instead of masons, if neighbours are always town too?)

Greens below are what the wagons look like from my perspective right now, if I follow you all and say T+D are both town. I think Gerry and TTTT are not a team, so I'm wrong someplace. Gut says Titus scum; head says that Drone is probably a better choice if we *really have to* lynch in that pair and in case I'm wrong about Titus.

The only people I 100% won't compromise on to are Rask and Sesq. I 90% won't go SSBM, I have null reads on TTTT and Gerry.

UNVOTE: to show genuine intend to change if reasoned with.

Putting all of the above out there in case I'm lynched or NKed, it's Sunday evening here so the Day could plausibly end while I sleep tonight.

If you are nullish on both Gerry and TTTT, why are you willing to lynch TTTT now and not Gerry?

[shadonra]

@Rask How do you feel about lynching Gerry?

[shannon]

If you're in the spirit of compromise why start a new wagon instead of hopping on e.g. drone?

As far as we can tell, both the neighbours are town.

If we're working on a premise that one of them could plausibly *not* be town, my money would be on Titus.

[shannon]

Look someone needs to move if we're going to get a lynch. I'm prepared to do it, but I want an answer to this first:

What is the point of a two-person neighbourhood if both people in it are *always* town? What makes it different from a masonry, but for the lack of formal confirmation of the other's alignment? (What I mean is: Why would you choose neighbours instead of masons, if neighbours are always town too?)

Greens below are what the wagons look like from my perspective right now, if I follow you all and say T+D are both town. I think Gerry and TTTT are not a team, so I'm wrong someplace. Gut says Titus scum; head says that Drone is probably a better choice if we *really have to* lynch in that pair and in case I'm wrong about Titus.

The only people I 100% won't compromise on to are Rask and Sesq. I 90% won't go SSBM, I have null reads on TTTT and Gerry.

UNVOTE: to show genuine intend to change if reasoned with.

Putting all of the above out there in case I'm lynched or NKed, it's Sunday evening here so the Day could plausibly end while I sleep tonight.

If you are nullish on both Gerry and TTTT, why are you willing to lynch TTTT now and not Gerry?

We could also do Gerry, sure. I had to vote someplace, if I'd voted Gerry you'd be asking why not TTTT

[shadonra]

Sorry, I misread your vote post.

[shannon]

That's OK

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Drone>Titus is my priority right now, I wanna see if neighbor claim is real because it's a convenient way to cover up the 2 remaining scum and I think even in the case that they're town the other will be NKed which means Sesq, TTTT and I all make it to tomorrow and have another mislynch before lylo, or another mislynch before lylo if we lynch drone and titus ends up being town joat and blocks kill with JK assuming the roleblocker is out of shots, if it's X-shot

New years stuff is all done now so I'm back

[TTTT]

ah hell no. We aren't lynching me today.
there's been a push to get a compromise wagon on me the last page or so
lazy lazy lazy play or scummy
ISO me and come back and say I'm scum

@shad
you need to get off shannon
that's not scum and it ain't happening today even if it was

[TTTT]

@TTTTdan
I already explained.

where?

[Sesq]

I def. think there should be some form of polling to see the best compromise. I'm currently ok with a gerry (literally zero input entire game, just hops on wagons, no pro-town play or seeming intent. More attention over here) lynch, a Titus (plans seem erratic and planned, daychat considered. Little backing behind wagons, and seems to be manipulating the field a bit, maybe) and maybe shadonra (impo's play was kinda questionable, slot is looking fine now though.)

As for strong townreads, ssbm is up there... and cant think of anyone else.

[shadonra]

VOTE: Gerryoat

I don't see why we can't lynch shannon today, but fine. Number two.

[Titus]

Fuck these compromise wagons. I am willing to lynch half the game and my scumreads are trying to lynch TTT and gerry now. No.

1)Imp Slot
2)Shannon
3)Drone
4)SSM/Sesq
5)No lynch, go fuck yourself

[Sesq]

Still missing that explanation.
Or you acting like a mature adult.

[Titus]

Still missing that explanation.
Or you acting like a mature adult.

Already gave it. Impo scumclaimed.

Mature adult =\= mislynching town.

[Titus]

We have one day. Get on Shandora people.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Priorities
1) Drone - scummy ties to Kohai, ditched rb wagon when it hit L-1, was not on final rb wagon, was on final LUV wagon. Artificial looking interactions with Titus slot
2) Titus - strictly a worse choice than Drone due to claims, not playing to her strengths of VCA, coming to bad conclusions about setup (assumes Ascetic in a setup with a Follower, disregards mod meta)
3) Gerry - low contribution, replaced a scummy slot, slot had ties to Drone, my top SR. Titus attempted to make a wagon on TTTT D1 during the rb wagon, could be Gerry was also scum and Titus needed to make a new wagon because the existing wagons were both on scum
4) shadonra - purely for Impoetic slot, would be a compromise b/c No Lynch sucks. Won't vote this except to hammer and won't hammer if I don't like the wagon

[shannon]

Fuck these compromise wagons. I am willing to lynch half the game and my scumreads are trying to lynch TTT and gerry now. No.

1)Imp Slot
2)Shannon
3)Drone
4)SSM/Sesq
5)No lynch, go fuck yourself

I do not understand a world in which you prefer to lynch SSBM or Sesq over a no lynch.

I also do not understand why you would prefer to lynch these two over Gerry and TTTT.

Your whole read is basically that Impoetic gave no result and I got annoyed with you for withholding your result. And you don't like how I look at game mechanics instead of relying solely on play. That's not a case.

Or rather, it's as much a case for me being impatient (and how could I have known you'd investigate Impoetic, if we were a team?) and there being a roleblocker somewhere, as it is for me and Impoetic being some kind of ascetic/roleblocker/ninja/strongman combo team. Seriously. Let it go. Look at things from another perspective.

[shannon]

Priorities
1) Drone - scummy ties to Kohai, ditched rb wagon when it hit L-1, was not on final rb wagon, was on final LUV wagon. Artificial looking interactions with Titus slot
2) Titus - strictly a worse choice than Drone due to claims, not playing to her strengths of VCA, coming to bad conclusions about setup (assumes Ascetic in a setup with a Follower, disregards mod meta)
3) Gerry - low contribution, replaced a scummy slot, slot had ties to Drone, my top SR. Titus attempted to make a wagon on TTTT D1 during the rb wagon, could be Gerry was also scum and Titus needed to make a new wagon because the existing wagons were both on scum
4) shadonra - purely for Impoetic slot, would be a compromise b/c No Lynch sucks. Won't vote this except to hammer and won't hammer if I don't like the wagon

So

Drone + Gerry
Titus + maybe Gerry
Shad but just because of Impoetic?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Drone and Gerry, Drone and Titus, and much less likely, Titus and Gerry. Shad is all Impoetic.

[Titus]

Fuck these compromise wagons. I am willing to lynch half the game and my scumreads are trying to lynch TTT and gerry now. No.

1)Imp Slot
2)Shannon
3)Drone
4)SSM/Sesq
5)No lynch, go fuck yourself

I do not understand a world in which you prefer to lynch SSBM or Sesq over a no lynch.

I also do not understand why you would prefer to lynch these two over Gerry and TTTT.

Your whole read is basically that Impoetic gave no result and I got annoyed with you for withholding your result. And you don't like how I look at game mechanics instead of relying solely on play. That's not a case.

Or rather, it's as much a case for me being impatient (and how could I have known you'd investigate Impoetic, if we were a team?) and there being a roleblocker somewhere, as it is for me and Impoetic being some kind of ascetic/roleblocker/ninja/strongman combo team. Seriously. Let it go. Look at things from another perspective.

They refuse to lynch scum, yet have him at null, which makes them candidates to be scum.

My read is a Impoetic did not vote for three days, which is a scumclaim. He was going to be lynched, but scum created counters, the slot has done nothing. Plus, the ascetic result.

Impoetic is scum. Period.

The sole question is who is his buddy.

I have my five choices. That's expansive enough with 9 slots.

You can meet me halfway,

[Drone]

Oh god I really do want to be lynched now.
All those "glorious" tunneling posts by Kyouko would explode in his face, unveiling a scum.
Or a town who lost the game.

VOTE: Gerryoat