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[Lil Uzi Vert]

I remember when that meme took over Twitter for like a week. Funniest week of the summer easily.

[Creature]

Glad memes usually don't last more than a week.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It should've been a staple like the MJ crying face but people like to kill nice things.

For Zach:

[Zachstralkita]

It should've been a staple like the MJ crying face but people like to kill nice things.

For Zach:

LMFAOOOOOOOO











I get that drip from my walkk ~

[EchoVision]

Also, I don't understand what you see that's scummy about me. The reason that you said before about my "frustration on the 190218657 act fucking play" everybody else seemed to have taken for a town tell?

Who is this directed at?

Human

[-Grey-]

Scummy is scummy

But scummy != scum.

Your point?

Oh ikay so we don't lynch scummy players in this game we lynch towny ones?

Yeah nice

False dichotomy.

So if you don(t lynch scummy players what are you gonna lynch?

Scum.

It's easy to paint actions as scummy, but doesn't mean they come from scum motives.

[Dunnstral]

159
Holy fuck sheep this
163
This too

Dunnstral - idk can't ever read dunn fuck you

????

what the fuck 20 pages
this is what happens when i go to sleep as soon as the game opens and go to work as soon as i wake up
prepare for one million walls

beetlejuice

Is a horrible scumtell.

It was a joke, guess It's hard to process that when you're a robot

Spoiler:

So, doing this as I go along. Good to see everyone ran up an easy wagon and actually thinks Alisae is scum LMAO.

And whoever says I am WKing because of this probably puts milk before the cereal. You sick fucks. I bet you dont eat the pizza crust either. Get the fuck out my face



I will make footnotes with ~

Why I think Zach is a Scum:
The main reasons behind this, is due to Alisae. I believe that it is very likely for them to be doing a Scum Theater. For example:
'Lets be real votes on Alisae are pretty low effort'
This phrase was likely used in order to subtly reduce Alisae's risks. Zach gave no reasons behind this, nor evidence to support it, instead said 'I'm just stating facts'. What I'm confused about, is why nobody had picked up on this, especially not Alisae. Alisae had shown that he is keen of Zach throughout this current game, which is clear, as explained above. Due to Alisae's response only being 'fair', I believe it is deductible that he is hiding something to do with Zach, whatever it be. Also, due to Alisae's response, anybody reading it, would feel less suspicious of Zach, due to a lot of people TR Alisae. I strongly believe they are both Scum, and that this is a Scum theatre.
FoS Zach

It sounds nice, but no.

The sort of metric you're using to formulate your reads I do not think is applicable.

The logic you're running around with here operates under the assumption that you can discern concrete motives from very ambiguous actions when you have no real knowledge of thought processes of players you're calling out. You write it well but it doesn't make sense when you actually look at what's being said .

You can say I'm scum from a 2-3 post interaction with 1 sentence each because it's easy for you. The reality of it is the conclusions you have drawn are utterly useless IMO. Even omitting your read on me I can say this by looking at your Uzi Vert and Dunn reads.


I don't think that you're scum at this exact point in time because this argument is sort of blind. I think scum would have more tact and I think I'm able to tell the difference between a fabricated post and someone who actually believes what they're saying.

~rb's entrance blows

Yeah, the first 10 pages are pretty much crap. Lots of bullshitting around, some people talking about math and odds and nonsense.

Gin is probably Town, I caught what I think is a towntell.
Creature is looking like scum. Hard to pin down why, but looks...opportunistic? Like I said, hard to say with precision yet.
Debi is new to site but not to the notion of mafia, has some pretty ideas from other sites that won't work here
Dunno if you've played with Alisae yet, but she's weird and flaky (and I don't mean likely to need a replacement. PEdit: You found one of her things)

My advice is to read and find your own reads. It's not long.

PEdit2: Gin is probably Town. I wouldn't bet the game on it, but until something else tells me I'm wrong, I'm going with it.

Whoa, you're hardcore dude. We're barely an ankle deep into this game and you have the rock solid TR on Gin.

It's not that itself that made me twitch a little bit, it was the fact that you said "I wouldn't bet the game on it."

Yeah no shit, the game's barely started.

~I think gin is being.. ok? like he's acting like a dragonfly. but i havent played with gin solo . His tie is still sort of cool but now looking at it more it's a bit too bold.

Can we just lynch alisae or gin already so that we can be rewarded with that warm fuzzy feeling town gets when someone flips red. Ty

I know how magnificent your reads are but I think you're bullshitting here. Yo ass is gonna get

got

boy. Just wait.

It isn't real.

Rb, I could go for a lynch on Alisae.

VOTE: Alisae

ew

the only acceptable votes for today are Grey, Alisae, Gin

Comfy with lynching this, I sense that faux powertown act you're trying to put on. It's not gonna work.

The one time I seen town rb he was nothing short of god but this rb is a mere impostor.

This feels really artificial. When I thought I got shot, my heart dropped and was dumbfounded. With Alisae showing strong emotions like the cry faces and stop "budding me," I'd expect more of a brash response but this feels forced.

Why do people judge things like this?

@Dunn 415 I see you get turned on when people mention you in the ISO, huh? vroom vroom

Really should've edited out that video, keeps giving Zach that satisfaction

You don't want to get hit with these bars

@GIN's vote on RB: YES.

~I get the feeling Grey asks some of his questions just to ask them...

rb

Alisae
ssbm_Kyouko

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Lil Uzi Vert

Gamma Emerald
Zachstralkita

Creature

drealmerz7
Ircher
Pine
Human Sequencer
-Grey-

Wraith

SlickDilinger

Debi

EchoVision
Dunnstral
All Alone

I'm fine with the most of the unstriked, just don't push the striked.

I mean, I'm fine with voting Pine with you but that's a really shitty reads list. I feel like you made it up just to make up a reads list lol. This man thinks rb is town LMFAO

rb - idk
Alisae - scummy af
ssbm_Kyouko - townlean, post moar
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - idk
Lil Uzi Vert - town
Gamma Emerald - post moar, likely flake slot tbh
Zachstralkita - literally nothing
Creature - scummy
drealmerz7 - lol
Ircher - towny
Pine - towny kinda
Human Sequencer - lol
-Grey- - idk
Wraith - scummy af
SlickDilinger - great post my dude
Debi - town af
EchoVision - scummy
Dunnstral - idk can't ever read dunn fuck you
All Alone - lol

Feel free to ask my reasoning on any of these, if I miss it, ask again.

Nevermind.. I found a worse one.

FTR I don't firmly believe either of HS/Creature is scum but I think Creature is more likely to be scum than HS.



~I like HS 556

Holy fuck guys every time i hit preview theres a new fucking page

Anyways

VOTE: RB

Cool with Pine as well. I want to see where HS vs Creature plays out

and for the love of fuck stop voting easy to spot lynch bait

Don't think I've ever seen zach type like this...............

Zachstralkita is TOWMn-nNNNN

You can't buy me with a TR, who do you think I am, Dunnstral?

I don't do that

[-Grey-]

Also why is Grey defending Ircher

He's my scummate, obvs.

[Dunnstral]

btw

VOTE: Human sequencer

Sorry you're kind of obvious as scum

Like I'm just getting that general vibe that you're playing different. high strung.

off

Should have just townread me too

[ssbm_Kyouko]

* Kyouko's #173 is a little odd. She says my vote on Debi is a "good vote" (I assume he's being sarcastic). But he completely ignores Ircher, who voted earlier than I did for an identical or almost identical reason. What?
* So I checked the front of the thread just in case and Kyouko is suddenly scummy to me. He horribly miscounts the Alisae wagon in the present somehow (#678) (where she claims Alisae is L-1 but is actually L-5), and I swear I remember her also doing this earlier in the thread. I'm right - #368 (less egregious, she says Alisae is L-2 but she is actually L-3). In fact, it those posts were her two most recent ones. What's going on here?
* I still don't know what Alisae means by "'gun to my head' townreads"

So so far

Townreads

Grey
Gin
Echo
Ircher

Soft Townreads

HS
Zach
Pine

Murky

Creature
Kyouko
Debi

Scumreads

Alisae
RB

Fucking finally caught up. Pretty damn confident in putting my vote here

Vote: Alisae

I'm pretty okay with a RB lynch too but definitely prefer this one.

Taking a long break.

Feels like Debi, HS, and rb are too low on the list. We'll see about rb though, he's got some pretty vocal resistance.

I skimmed over the post with the Ircher vote tbh. Didn't notice he voted for the same/very similar reason as you, which knocks him down quite a bit for me.
I was drunk last night when I read this post

BTW I'm at L-3

and because I was drunk I wasn't in the mood to double check that VC. That's why when I voted him I said he was L-2, because I was lazily taking Alisae's word on the size of his wagon. Those are my most recent posts because I went to other games/sleep after and am just coming back here now
Alisae uses "gun to my head" to express he is uncertain about a slot but if you were to "put a gun to [his] head" he would say... "town/scum"

[EchoVision]

i like wraith now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: RB

[Wraith]

Okay I'll take your word for it.

You miscounting votes as a longshot way of delaying an Alisae wagon until derail while simultaneously being on the wagon as a means of distancing was theory I had in my head but it was admittedly a

really

tinfoil one.

[Wraith]

^@Kyouko BTW

[-Grey-]

i like wraith now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: RB

I can dig it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rb

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: RB

Flashwagon pls

[Zachstralkita]

What's that? Dunn with another shit wagon?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I like wraith a lot right now.

VOTE: Gamma

Why is Gamma your top scum read currently? What are you trying to accomplish here voting an inactive slot?

I was seeing if I could attract a reaction out of him to see if he was lurking. No real meaning to it although I don't like how we got PMs about game start yet he's not here.

[Alisae]

Alright so I'm finally back and underway with my promised re-read.

I'm starting to doubt my doubts about Alisae not only for his recent posts but also something in particular from earlier that I'm now noticing.

Any thoughts you would like to share with the class?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST ALISAE

[Alisae]

Appeasement!

You learned a new word

I'm smart! Do I get a cookie now?

[Alisae]

Me catching up Gin. BTW Nice tie.

Scum joined my wagon. Cool.

I'm starting to see what's up with rb, but I really feel like Pine is scum. Like, I really just don't like how Pine basicly sheeped rb.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Make a case against Pine!scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Looks like scum theater.

Nah, I doubt this. I'm TRing Pine for that fake dayvig (assuming it is fake).

Good points Pine!
VOTE: Creature

Voting Creature because I disliked how he immediately assumed singleball and I hate how he immediately assumed scum theatre between Pine and Gin

Game has to leave RVS sometime. I don't think he's right about scum theatre but that doesn't make him scum. You don't think it's possible that Pine and Gin

could

be theatering?

Side note, excited about the table gathered for this game

I doubt the possiblility of it being scum theatre. I townread Pine for the vake dayvig, and I am liking Gin so far, he seems genuine.

Should I give reads now?

Why are you asking for permission? Just do it if that's your thing.

Am I not allowed to ask if people care about my stance on the game?

Pine and Gin are my stronger townreads.
Uzi is probably town
Zach gun to my head town
Wraith townlean
Ircher townlean
Debi Null
Dunn scumlean
Creature Scum
Kyouko Scum

Anyone else null

And alright rb, even if it is dumb, it's not like to changes my TR on Pine.

Final reads before I go take a shower, go to sleep, and then wake up to find out that I got lynched.

Town: rb, Grey, Uzi, Gin, Pine, Echo, Debi, Zach
Scum: Kyouko, Creature, Wraith, Dunn, and maybe Ircher
Null: Everyone else.

Me catching up Gin. BTW Nice tie.

Scum joined my wagon. Cool.

I'm starting to see what's up with rb, but I really feel like Pine is scum. Like, I really just don't like how Pine basicly sheeped rb.

TOWN PINE TOWN PINE TOWN PINE TOWN PINE TOWN PINE

SENPINE WANTS ME DEAD, HE NO LONGER SENPINE HE SCUM.

We have a thing for what you call thinking someone is scum because they want you lynched (It's OMGUS)

[Alisae]

Make a case against Pine!scum

I thought I did this already. OH WAIT!

Checked Debi's post history. Definitely an alt. If she'd been a genuine newbie, I could let that go, but she isn't.

That's overthinking things to an absurd degree. I don't buy it.

FoS Debi

Scum Pine immediately jumps on Debi for being an alt not knowing Debi at all because in the future of Day 1 they might get a lynch off of them.

If she'd been a genuine newbie, I could let that go, but she isn't.

This is the part where I advocate for debi and say that it's their first game on site.

Her first post is to /in for this game, then a few here. Such a direct entrance, nothing in newbie, no confusion or questions, that isn't a newbie. It's an alt.

PEdit: That explains things somewhat, but your statistics nonsense is utter horsecrap, don't think that it's at all useful. What is,

is.

That kind of odds assessment is only really valid prior to randomization, after the fact it isn't.

PEdit2: Ircher, stop feeding the math troll.

Scum Pine defending himself against it even after someone who knows Debi advocates for them. They probably wanted to go for Debi.

Pine is town because hes being an antisocial loser which is how he plays town

I really want to take offense and tell you to fuck yourself but...kinda yeah.

Also, I somehow missed Debi's wallpost listing her reads. I skipped to mine (because ego) and laughed my ass off. I didn't bother reading the rest. I'm sorry, I have 14 posts in the six hours that the game has been open, yet somehow you're SRing me because you think I'm lurking? Seriously, go play Newbie games. You need to adapt.

Let's discredit Debi!

It isn't real.

Rb, I could go for a lynch on Alisae.

VOTE: Alisae

A man posting spiderman memes is so obv town we don't even need to question his motives.

can we please lynch gin and not alisae

Okay, rb, real talk. Tell me why Gin is scum. You keep talking about your murder priapism for him, but haven't said why yet, which is frustrating because I have a pretty strong TR on him.

I'm 100% okay with an Alisae lynch, even if it's a pretty quick one. I'm recently kind of coming around to the notion that long days, especially D1s, are completely counterproductive, so a lynch of Aliscum with some policy motive peppered in suits me just fine.

i doubt debi is scum unless rly good, but that kind of play is really hard to replicate as scum for an entire game so we'll see

Actually, I was thinking about this while playing Heroes of the Storm. Given offsite origin, I'm wondering whether all that wallposting and badmath is what passes for good scum smokescreening over there. Bad, pretty baseless reads covered by gaudy, overtly showy attempts to show "LOOK AT ME GAMESOLVING" suggests scum in context. Trying too hard.

VOTE: RB

No. Bad Gin. Stop it.

Going to bed. I look forward to spending ALL DAMN MORNING catching up to you spammy fuckers.

PEdit: OH LOOK. There were SEVEN posts while writing this. How unsurprising.

Still no reasoning behind why and the part of "Let's end the day within the 24 hours when only 14 out of 19 have posted notable content" is bullshit to me.

if rb townreads me your point on him is fine, but honestly I can't tell if he scumreads me or not.

He quite clearly scumreads you. Yet he refuses to vote you even though you're the leading wagon.

If I was the leading wagon and rb was scumreading me but fishing for a wagon elsewhere, what would that tell you about rb?

I kinda don't know, what is the conclusion you are leading me to?

From her position on the short end of a big wagon, this looks like appeasement. Town doesn't try to appease, they try to lynch their own reads. Overt willingness to follow is scummy

Okay bed now.

PEdit: I'd rather we stretched the day to 48ish hours at least, but I'm kind of okay with it. Pine of a year ago would immediately declare a jihad on me for saying so, but sometimes - only sometimes, mind you - discussion is counterproductive. D1 of a very large game is one of those sometimes.

Hey! Let's Appease Alisae after they jumped on me for that. And I quote:

More appeasement.

Pro tip: Next time you want to be mistaken for Town, stick to your guns a little more.

From her position on the short end of a big wagon, this looks like appeasement. Town doesn't try to appease, they try to lynch their own reads

I'm tryng to lynch Wraith. He is my own scumread.

Yeah, not really. Your focus is so far from Wraith that I'd forgotten you were pushing him.

PEdit: Feel free to not buy it, but I'm reminded of Rolling in the Deep, from a few years ago. One of the longest D1s ever at the time, well over 100 pages, and we ended up deadlocked until a townie got himself modkilled. Bullshit discussion wasn't helpful. What was helpful, and what got the game really rolling, was seeing a couple of flips so those early reads had some context. Site meta for protracted discussion seems to have gotten worse over the last couple of years. The more people talk, the more calcified and entrenched opinions get, and people miss shit because it doesn't fit with their preconceptions.

So let's give it another day or so, get meaningful contributions from everyone, then lynch Alisae.

PEdit: Yeah, that entire post completely misrepresents what I said. Nice try though.

Okay, to be fair, maybe I did read that 48 for a 24 because tired. But either way, appeasement with the attempt to shut down my arguement.

I don't think Alisae is Town lynch bait. I think she's genuinely scum who's fucking up due to inexperience. Not all easy lynches are bad. Stop trying to make "easy=Town" a Truism, it just isn't.

Hey! I'm scum!Pine! Let's push lynch bait and add nothing as I hide on this wagon and keep on saying "Alisae is scum" without saying why? Great fucking plan!

To add this, it's also a scum tactic to continue to provoke someone who doesn't respond well to pressure.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I like wraith a lot right now.

VOTE: Gamma

Why is Gamma your top scum read currently? What are you trying to accomplish here voting an inactive slot?

I was seeing if I could attract a reaction out of him to see if he was lurking. No real meaning to it although I don't like how we got PMs about game start yet he's not here.

I'm finding this hard to believe to be honest. It read like you felt better about Wraith for town and decided to move on to another scum read.

Appeasement!

You learned a new word

I'm smart! Do I get a cookie now?