OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)

[Realeo]

But I reject it, didn't I?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello. That was a lot of fun.

What's up with this?

Dunn that's dirty

And You wanna know why AH's push on TB seems like theatre to me? Ok. I wanna wait till everyone talks a bit until I go over this mad science. Also I need more time to study AH. I'm just gonna leave this here
“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

"Pretend inferiority and encourage your enemy's arrogance. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush them"
― Sun Tzu

Along with the words: Metal Sonic

I don't see how the RVS vote looks like theatre.

I'm going to formally request you shut the fuck up now.

[Alisae]

Alright Dunn, let me explain.

Say if the NK were to be Algebra.
VCA would tell us that Alegbra was ontop of Realeo since 185
That's a long time Dunn.
Like, 2+ weeks ago.
I feel like if there were to be a Statue of Limitations, people would have forgotten that Algebra voted Realeo super early.
Algebra was the main person that was putting pressure on Realeo.
So NKA would make the NK directed to him really obvious.

[Alisae]

If Realeo isn't faking VI this game he's town.

"Pretend inferiority and encourage your enemy's arrogance. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush them"
― Sun Tzu

I should use that quote when I explain my faux-VI.

[Dunnstral]

Hello. That was a lot of fun.

What's up with this?

Dunn that's dirty

And You wanna know why AH's push on TB seems like theatre to me? Ok. I wanna wait till everyone talks a bit until I go over this mad science. Also I need more time to study AH. I'm just gonna leave this here
“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

"Pretend inferiority and encourage your enemy's arrogance. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush them"
― Sun Tzu

Along with the words: Metal Sonic

I don't see how the RVS vote looks like theatre.

I'm going to formally request you shut the fuck up now.

[Alisae]

Dunn that make sense to you?

[Dunnstral]

Alright Dunn, let me explain.

Say if the NK were to be Algebra.
VCA would tell us that Alegbra was ontop of Realeo since 185
That's a long time Dunn.
Like, 2+ weeks ago.
I feel like if there were to be a Statue of Limitations, people would have forgotten that Algebra voted Realeo super early.
Algebra was the main person that was putting pressure on Realeo.
So NKA would make the NK directed to him really obvious.

I guess it makes sense. Though there's ~other reasons~ ssbm could have been killed as well

I'll think about it I guess

The easiest explanation is just that Algebra isn't doing much so scum killed ssbm for some other reason and ignored Algebra

[Dunnstral]

I think you're overselling your case Alisae; I don't think people would put much stock/thought into Algebra's reads

[algebra]

I'm still alive, it's a miracle.

VOTE: Realeo

[Realeo]

Full disclosure : I still have no clue why I'm being voted.

[Realeo]

If you bring something up, then yes I'll "help you analyze"

Oy, I already did.

[Realeo]

were to be a Statue of Limitations, people would have forgotten that Algebra voted Realeo super early.
Algebra was the main person that was putting pressure on Realeo.
So NKA would make the NK directed to him really obviou

That only explains that I

can

be mafia. That does NOT explain that I

am

mafia.

[Realeo]

Can anyone give me a psychological lecture about Mafia Traitor at me? Is it more normal for Mafia Traitor to be more diplomatic against town or mafia partner?

[Realeo]

So this catch my attention....

No need for useless speculation, I will flip town and TB will flip scum. Feel free to hammer.

So AntiHuman plays the AtE card at L-1. The wagon at the L-1 was.

Antihuman ( 6 ) -

(Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae, SuperHans)[/color]

I find it strange. AntiHuman has made a play (in my opinion) an excellent analysis (he fooled me) and push with confidence.

Why the sudden mood change from confindence to surrenderness?

I think he surrender because his scum partner is voting against him. As a mafia traitor, judging by psychological analysis, being a mafia traitor is a lonely role. Being foresaken by his partner is a lonely game.

So there are 6 people. To a certain degree.. TB is town. ssbm flipped town.

There is a minimum of 1 scum in (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, Alisae, SuperHans)

[Realeo]

Correction. AH has played the AtE card since L-2. So there is a minimum of 1 scum in (GE, Desperado, Alisae)

[Kop]

VOTE: Gamma

AH flipping traitor has put the onus back into Gamma for me. He's derailed that wagon to divert pressure

[ThinkBig]

Interesting night kill.

but yeah im onto something i think so

if im not here to remind yall about kop in the morning please revisit his last few posts of the day

, completely unacceptable imo. If Kop/AH are both town I think

Gamma/Dave/Alisae

This is damming. Why would ssbm be targeted by the mafia over the innocent child?

HOS on Kop and Gamma. I really don't like how AH derailed gamma's wagon. I'm willing to vote for either kop or gamma.

[Superhans]

Dunn, Alisae, would you help me analyze conversation between Kyouko and AntiHuman? That may be the only explanation of the nk?

Y only Dunn and Alisae?
Y do you think there even is a tangible reason for the NK?

Imho killing Kyouko is gonna be a WIFOM brainfuckeroo. Maybe it Kyouko was chosen so that town would over analysis it and use it to lynch the wrong person.

[ThinkBig]

I'm still alive, it's a miracle.

I think you are still alive for two reasons:

1. You weren't very active last day phase;
2. ssbm was too close to the truth.

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting night kill.

but yeah im onto something i think so

if im not here to remind yall about kop in the morning please revisit his last few posts of the day

, completely unacceptable imo. If Kop/AH are both town I think

Gamma/Dave/Alisae

This is damming. Why would ssbm be targeted by the mafia over the innocent child?

HOS on Kop and Gamma. I really don't like how AH derailed gamma's wagon. I'm willing to vote for either kop or gamma.

If AH didn't have such a hard-on for you I'd think you're scum for this comment.

[Superhans]

Correction. AH has played the AtE card since L-2. So there is a minimum of 1 scum in (GE, Desperado, Alisae)

I don't highly rated this logic. I appreciate it, but I just don't think it's necessarily correct. AH change in attitude could be a result of desperation, especially considering the impending deadline.

[Superhans]

Gamma r u okay? Ur mood seems to have changed. U alright ir

[Superhans]

*irl

[Superhans]

AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?

Gamma voted Desperado, if Gamma is scum he wouldn't start the cw on his partner
Desperado swapped to Antihuman, might make sesnse

if

Gamma is scum, AH is town, and Desp is traitor.
AH wagon would also be cw to scum in this case.
Question is: Does Gamma have any plausible scumbuddies besides AH? Desperado is out unless he's traitor, so we'd need 1 more (or 2 if he's not the traitor).
Let's assume scum aren't going to hard bus their teammate in the middle of D1, so we look for a partner that wasn't on the Gamma wagon at it's apex

DAY 1 VC 005

Gamma Emerald ( 5 ) -

(Superhans, ThinkBig, Realeo, Desperado, Kop)

Realeo ( 3 ) -

(ssbm_Kyouko, algebra, Secret Agent Jin)

Desperado ( 2 ) -

(ReubenWasFine, Gamma Emerald)

Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -

(davesaz)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(Dunnstral)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Seeking a replacement for ReubenWasFine.

Kyouko - conftown to myself
algebra - conftown
RWF/AH - We're assuming this slot is the town cw to scum for this exercise

SAJ/Alisae - was not on the Gamma wagon but when he comes in he discredits AH case and soon after Gamma joins him in picking apart AH case to start a new wagon on AH. Replaces out. Alisae Says he doesn't like TB but soon after catching up a bit more says he doesn't like AH's push and votes AH. AH could be the counter to Gamma if Alisae and Gamma are buds
davesaz - Comes in to catch up to a 5 person Gamma wagon with a very flat reaction. Possibly measured response to scumpartner's wagon. His next post looks at the gamma wagon for opportunistic votes, says he's still catching up but points to Realeo and Desperado as being similar to Gamma, as if to offer them as alternatives. Dave speculates Gamma is the cw to scum!Desperado. HOWEVER, Dave in 374 has a similar reaction to the popup of AH's wagon, indicating to me he is unaware of either wagon's alignment, unless the team is Gamma/dave/AH
Dunnstral - No reaction to the gamma wagon, is still focusing on her own SR of davesaz. Reads as towny to me.


I'm thinking AH is not very likely to flip scum unless he's teamed with davesaz

and

Gamma. Desperado I think is unlikely to be traitor based on the way he got onto the Gamma wagon.
This leaves me with a scumteam speculation of [Gamma, davesaz, Alisae/AH]. Kop could be blind spot scum still. I think Gamma's flip will be most telling because it was both the cw Realeo/Desperado and had it's own cw in the AH wagon.

VOTE: Gamma

Kop do you have scumreads? Noticed a lot of you asking other people about their reads in your ISO and a lot of commenting on questions directed at other players but not much in the way of substance

My reads change all the time as the game progresses on. I don't do scum reads on day one usually, I see the information in posts, and generally push wagons, etc. I work better when there's been flips and I have information that can back my thoughts up.

Right at this point, a lynch on either AH or TB is only going to be beneficial right now because the limelight for the past 10 or so pages with a few random ones thrown in between has been on those 2. Either one is going to give information and isn't going to be one of those policy lynches that isn't going to lead to anywhere.

When it comes to day 2 however, I'd like pressure to be placed on Gamma because I am not seeing a style that I am accustomed to. And I just feel that he is happily going under the radar whilst the war goes on, and If we do lynch AH and he flips scum, then a great deal in me is going to want Gamma lynched. If AH flips town however, that isn't going to stop me wanting pressure on Gamma, I didn't say lynch but I'd like the pressure to get him to talk.

Can you give us scum reads day 2?

Also y do u think scum nk'd you?

[Superhans]

@Davesaz
Name 2 players you would kill right now.