Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

it's not like you weren't heavily hinting at it, gigabyte "oh I've got a scumread on mcmenno but CAN'T EXPLAIN IT YET" Troubadour also I thought you were going to die so

it could have been ongoing games

the poem was about mcmenno's slot not gerry's

not a fucking poem

it's art

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm on mobile and your name autocorrected to that so I kept it

interesting

it could have been ongoing games

please don't talk about ongoing games

that's why you act cagey about it

especially if you can't fakeclaim masons like people do when they get townreads from ongoing games

If I was maf I'd just take town cards. Dunn should we just expose yoi or are you willing to go quietly

Scumposting.

Town knows scum isn't going to go quietly. Scum says shit like this to intimidate town.

Notice how he speaks about town like he isn't PART of town.

this posturing tho

he's referring to town players in general, not the town itself

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i think it should be an unwritten rule that if your replacee submits a night action and you don't read the entire game for yourself you don't change it

gerry, Mcmenno: if you don't immediately give me a reason not to, I'm blowing this thing wide open.

???????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Fishy on hush mode

it's like i drank 20 cups of coffee again

i got them jitters.......... makes me think of when i got caffeine poisoning

[gigabyteTroubadour]

guys i don't think we should lynch anyone in the diamonds hood besides mcmenno (who claimed fruit vendor)

there's a very high chance that person is the 2 of diamonds

rb/dunn/mcmenno/X + fishy

i'm pretty sure there's a misunderstanding

[gigabyteTroubadour]

still hold that we probably shouldn't lynch the fucking 2 of diamonds and let dunn explain himself

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Dunn is policy lynched. The fact that he guessed the kill

and there weren't 2 kills is suspect.

ok if me making a quote strip of your iso didn't make it clear

the mafia kill was disabled for 2 phases

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there's nothing suspect about it, -grey- has the alpha vig

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm just speechless

talk to you all like tomorrow or the day after even

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Hope ur speechless about how dumb this push is

yes

[gigabyteTroubadour]

drealmerz

kraska was town

not you too :///////////

[gigabyteTroubadour]

next time there's an active cop power PLEASE target dunn

that's my stance on this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm not fucking putting up with this

mcmenno is still scum but like gl we're not lynching in gerry/dunn without a guilty

[gigabyteTroubadour]

guys

guys

i'm masons with dunn, drealmerz, -grey-, and vecna

i'll be conf tomorrow and so will my buddies

mason buddies

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm further inclined not to touch the wagon after dreal's blatant bandwagon vote which he is continuously getting away with.

he's getting away with it because he's my mason buddy

we talked about voting mcscummy in our pt

obviously <:/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

maxous you know we aren't masons right

everyone is a vt and can only get powers via cards, none of which are mason powers

right

but yeah he talked about that in the pt obviously

[gigabyteTroubadour]

obviously.

but no, i'm just... very, very, very, very sure that slot is town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mcmenno is the scum here most likely but that's just in my imo opinion

dunn is a bad lynch anyway because if we're wrong about him being scum while lynching him, and gerry is town, then both 2 of diamonds are exposed to scum (this is following the assumption the unknown person with the 2 of diamonds is town, which I think is likely because a scum 2-of-diamonds can fakeclaim a different diamond neighborhood card with a very low chance of impunity and thus have let me suicide)

which is why if you want a dunn lynch (or gerry lynch) to be IC-approved you need a cop guilty with it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

IF YOU RECEIVED FRUIT AT ANY POINT, please claim when!! Knowledge of what fruit vendors are in play will help me figure out what diamond cards are in the deck and better plan out night actions once the next 2 inventories necessary are completed.

^ no one got back to me on this btw

i think uzi said something but i don't remember if he said when specifically he received it, just that he did. but i would also like to know the when

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Jumping all over a "scum slip" is a towny thing to do.

no

absolutely not

Jumping on "scumslips" is an incredibly scummy thing to do unless there is VERY (and I mean VERY) hard evidence that it's not an awkward phrasing of language (and thus an actual, for real, slip).

The reason why being that jumping onto something that seems "objectively true" (i.e., accidentally revealing oneself as scum) allows scum to absolve themselves from actually developing fake reads from gameplay, tone, gut, etc., and can instead latch onto something that can easily be proven and isn't "wrong". Then, when Dunn (most likely) flips town, the onus is suddenly on him instead of Mcmenno or Gerry (not that gerry should be lynched or vigged btw). Everything about encouraging it is intellectually lazy and pro-scum.

What about Dunn's role

in the thread

is scummy? Even more important,

WHAT ABOUT KRASKA WAS EVEN SCUMMY

? kraska was stupidly obvious town and that read absolutely carries onto -Grey- too, even if he made an extremely sub-optimal vig (which btw screams more of town than scum)

fuck man, in the words of kraska.......

MURDER

CHARLOUX

MCMENNO

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mathblade do your reads always feel so disconnected from reality

like i want to townread you for it (especially when you accused me of "lynch shopping") but i have to wonder to what extent you would pull this off as scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

we need our boy zach in here i think

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mathblade do your reads always feel so disconnected from reality

like i want to townread you for it (especially when you accused me of "lynch shopping") but i have to wonder to what extent you would pull this off as scum

this came out a lot ruder than i wanted it to, sorry

but i absolutely cannot see scum motivation in kraska and even if i flubbed up really badly once i think i can read kraska well

Let's be clear. You don't have to think Grey is scum here to think Dunn slipped.

What do you think of the actual post itself? That is, posting "Let's kill Titus" in a neighbourhood, apropos of nothing? This is not some accidental typo we're jumping all over. It's a post with a clear explanation if Dunn is scum who fucked up his browser tabs, and none if he is town.

In the thread - Dunn's play since then has rung alarm bells for me. I want him to answer my last post.

It seems like something town!Dunn would say normally, yes. I was going to go through Open 649 (my game with Dunn) because I recall him saying something similar out of nowhere in that game.

I don't think his reaction is that particularly awful though.

@Mathblade, thanks for the misrep but I'm not townreading -Grey- just because Kraska picked the King of Diamonds

[gigabyteTroubadour]

have my babies vecna holy fucking shit

also you saw my correction to my result, right? (13, not 14)

and thanks Uzi, that actually helps speaking of my inventory result

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Vecna's post makes Grey an even better protect tonight; gives us two lynches tomorrow. And I can confirm that all diamonds are accounted for by those paying sufficient attention (which is a lot of attention).

Just want to confirm, you know that there's only 13 diamonds not in players' hands, not 14?

Because I still need to know about 1 more diamond. :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ah ok

i think i know what you're talking about then

I'm still fine with uzi or angel
Remind me tomorrow tell a dark secret

why not mcmenno?

and vecna, AA9 or McMenno?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'll vote for whichever of {AA9, McMenno} has the larger wagon

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Someone remind me why the vifam replacement isnt a good lynch for today? Id love for all these empty slots to get murdered, but that one doeant appear to get any mention.

hm

for me, it's that i didn't really see why scum-who-claims-to-have-randomly-picked-their-cards-but-actually-didn't takes the 8 of spades, it's not that scummy of a card

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Vecna how come you tried to kill me with a fruit when I said I had an active allergy

are you insinuating that there's no town motivation for wanting you dead early in the game?

Giga why do you keep mislynch hunting.

because i'm scum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lmfao

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you guys don't know the work my mason buddy has been putting in into restraining me from shitposting in this thread

obviously

You should know Dunn tried to make you look scum for that in the Diamond neighborhood.

I said it was scummy to have the card spy and not be in any neighborhoods. Which I know he isn't in normal ones, but he seems to have been randomly targetted with a neighborizer and outted his results in there?

Also, you're the one who said the person who gave you fruit was scummy, I started talking about the card spy and how vecna had it and you flipped and said "oh well if vecna gave me fruit he's not scummy because he sr me"

lmfao

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Consider it my way of letting you know i felt your playstyle was expendable

Luckily you outed a Sr on me beforehand or I'd tunnel you into the ground. You should know Dunn tried to make you look scum for that in the Diamond neighborhood.

Meh Dunn shouldve picked up on the fact i knew he had the 2 of clubs and realized theres a reason he wasnt the target

wait dunn has the 2 of clubs? how is he in three hoods then??

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ATTENTION TOWNIES, Transcend has been killed Day 4. He was a

Townie

just click the 4044

Someone shuffle the deck. The cards coming up suck

do you mean after the 6 of hearts and 7 of diamonds or now

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tbh i get where uzi is coming from and have been in his position before so i'm not really inclined to scumread him for it

Dunn had the 2 of clubs? That's a new claim, right?

He beta deck rigged it, so hardly a new claim

???????????

i thought that was fishy??????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I have a straight flush. Do I win?

how do you have five cards??

and why would you take multiple neighborhood cards lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Didn't someone just say what cards are coming up

we absolutely are NOT shuffling the deck, we need a heart in trumps so i can confirm myself as town and get rid of my 2 of hearts, and we can utilize the card revives and double lynch

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@giga: you aren't going to get to confirm yourself. Hearts are coming in the night, IC is a day power.

aw what

i got all excited for nothing :/

looking over claims, i'm not really sure about an AA9 lynch any more but i'll get back to everyone

[gigabyteTroubadour]

eh

i guess scum!Magna would take the PGO if it meant looking more like his townself

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Bringing this back up because I want to see if anyone else notices what I did.

If not, I'm prob paranoid.

that dunn slipped he's in a (scum) pt with AA9??? only one mafia left to find it looks like guys!!

Spoiler:

but yeah i've read that quote at least 10 times now i'm not seeing anything

is it gamebreakingly terrible to share with the class or

[gigabyteTroubadour]

isn't he referring to you?

AA9 is in the Spades and Hearts hood if I'm understanding claims correctly.

You're in diamonds and spades like RB (meaning he would have that knowledge D1) so...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

so why are you bringing up 745...? if it's not about aa9/-grey-'s observation(?)

it's like 3 am i forgot to sleep so i'm going to be a bit slow here

[gigabyteTroubadour]

arcangel is the only other person in spades neighborhood

, by the way. Besides rb who died. which is why I wanted to point that out

well that's interesting

how likely is it that scum intentionally put at least one member in each hood?

also the coincidence that AA9 and McMenno are in completely opposing hoods is............. also interesting.

although mcmenno did try to get into the hearts hood so idk how valid that is

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also mathblade i skimmed through shadowrun (it's a long game and i ain't got the time to read it :/) and defcon and mcmenno feels totally different to me here than he does in those two games

it's about how genuine his jokey-claiming scum shtick feels. which is suffice to say not genuine at all

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I thought magna's posting was OK, but nothing special. That slot has done basically nothing to generate a read, and so isn't a bad lynch. But I prefer Uzi. What do you think of Uzi?

uzi has a roller-coaster read from me

like logically i understand your points against him and want to agree - but his last few posts from today read really genuinely and I've been in his position as town before and felt similar so?? i kind of get his side

honestly he's my choice for a cop inspection because people still really want to lynch him and yet there's still strong opposition to his lynch

McMenno > AA9 > Uzi is my order of preference tbh

i see the AA9 wagon is larger now but i'd like to wait for AA9 to at least... post something?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

her v/la should end in like ~4 days iirc (january 2nd right) and we have 6 days of deadline time

[gigabyteTroubadour]

to be tbh honest i have nothing else to really say until AA9 posts something game-advancing

happy new year everyone ♡♡

[gigabyteTroubadour]

to be tbh honest i have nothing else to really say

actually this is a lie

scum!Kraska bussing Maria most likely doesn't play out the way it did... especially if you believe Dunn saying "let's kill Titus" is a scumslip that incriminates her/-Grey-

Titus strongly held Kraska and Maria as strong townreads (in addition to myself, transcend, and drealmerz) and was trying to get them to work together. Kraska going so strongly against Titus's will doesn't really make sense for someone who is basically the ideal townbeard (2 scum is basically half the team, Titus was also very outspoken and widely townread), so there has to be

some

anticipated gain from bussing Maria so hard. Maria was kind of expendable so it's believable that the person pushing hardest for the lynch is a partner, but killing Titus pretty much takes away from any benefit that could come out of it because she would be so easy to discredit afterwards. I would think that scum!-Grey-, in Kraska's shot, keeps the McMenno shot for a believable and non-controversial vig target and then throws shade at Titus.

this just makes me think that gerry is the misguided town who thinks that -grey- and dunn have to be scum together because of a ""slip"", while McMenno is scum sheeping a flawed case. i guess fishy scumreading dunn independent of this makes sense but obviously he's not a lynch for today

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lmfao i forgot an important part about 4454

reason i'm focusing on grey is that dunn didn't fucking scumslip unless grey is scum himself

which is why fishy thinking dunn reacting poorly to the drama is not as shitty (although i disagree)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

uh guys? Nobody really engaged with me saying aa9 is in two neighborhoods: if you think she's scum regardless give reasons

That being said, AA9 come do something

i mean

i was waiting on grey to say something. he kinda left me hanging

not sure what to make of it tbh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

interesting how math doesn't change the part where grey says he doesn't know dunn's alignment

i think that's a scumslip guys

grey you pointed something out and asked if anyone else saw it but never followed up on exactly what it was. pulling up the quote

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't want to lynch angel because I know she's in 2 neighborhoods and I don't know if it's likely scum would be in those, though MOI picked it so I guess it's possible. We have an active hood right now and she hasn't posted anything in it.

Bringing this back up because I want to see if anyone else notices what I did.

If not, I'm prob paranoid.

is there a reason you don't want to explain unless someone points it out bc i hate when i miss things

@Math, i dont think grey was calling you a girl, like how sometimes just say "girl please" or "oh boy" but i feel you tbh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*sometimes people say

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Pay attention to that wording. Does that sound like town phrasing?

I don't see why not...?

MOI chose to be in the hearts neighborhood and the spades neighborhood. I can see why Dunn would think that scum are unlikely to pick those cards - hearts has doctors, the card revives, and royalty vigs. The first two I definitely think are town picks (especially now that we know that revives are mostly public), and I'd argue the vigs are town picks too because once scum claims to have a vig shot, they have to make sure they don't make "scummy" kills they can't justify. Spades has PGO (something town!MoI definitely wants), Jailkeeper (which functions as a protective most of the time in this set-up since there aren't any doctors active during that trump), and Card Cop (maybe this is scummy?? i think town would want a rolecop too though).

So, basically the way I'm reading that is Dunn thinks the MoI's picks were towny (which I'm inclined to agree with), but since it's MoI he's likely not going to want to pick extremely scummy cards since he's going to be targetted by cardcops and be a person of interest at some point in the game, especially if he lives for a while and people get paranoid. So even scum!MoI is likely to pick the same cards.

there's also the point that I think scum!MoI would make good use of neighborhoods

Does that make any sense at all? Does town picking two neighborhoods justify on its own scum picking two neighborhoods?

MoI is AA9 - he's saying that we should take into account that since MoI picked those cards, it would be cards that would be optimal for MoI's playstyle (example, MoI's unlikely to pick something like the 2 of hearts, while me picking it makes a lot of sense). Changing MoI to "town" doesn't really make sense here because it's MoI/AA9's alignment in question.

I liked this post, by the way

believe it or not i made the template for that picture for 649

just that creature protecting KTS when i vigged him prevented me from saying "I've been dropping hints that I'm confirmed town"

although i decided not to push it and change it to "I want to lynch Vedith" because Chrimi died and annoying her by being conftown was like half the fun of posting it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

actually you know what

what bothers me MOST about the -grey- push (and the dunn one to a lesser extent but they're being pushed together so)

is that it doesn't take into account Kraska's play whatsoever, which was stupidly obviously town. like i want someone who scumreads -Grey- to stop using the ""objectivity"" of a supposed slip as a crutch and actually develop a read on that slot because there's basically zero reason to scumread it besides the poor choice of vig if you want to be generous. Why is

kraska

scum? How did that play benefit a scum wincondition over a town one? Because I really cannot see the answer on my own.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also drealmerz's mcmenno ISO is refreshing to see tbh

i personally question how fruitful sitting on a wagon on someone who's likely to not say anything for a while is

I've been scumreading McMenno's slot all game and I really have to wonder why it never has been pushed until I had to start strongarming it now, especially considering how LHF McMenno typically is considered. I feel like people have said little about WHY he's town (Kison i think was the only person to explain) yet there's resistance to the lynch... Some discourse here would help but I don't really know how to jumpstart it — I'm usually shitty at articulating earlygame scumreads because I rely really heavily on tone, and McMenno's "claim scum" shtick just reads more like a caricature... From past experience and looking at finished games too he just reads really "off". But someone sounding "off" isn't a case .-.

point is... i still really haven't got a solid answer from the wagon's opposition on why they're opposed to it

I don't see why not...?

Hence the reason I didn't harp on about it.

I figured I must be missing something if nobody else was seeing it. I thought MOI was French for "I".

lmfao i think that's the second time that's happened this game

We should start using Magna, much less confusing

anyway it's like 4 am so i'm going to stop ranting about this game zzzz

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Spoiler: 4498

Kraska joked around with Maria R about drawing scum which is usually a scum tell.

i mean i already remember that i couldn't find examples of this because i read kraska's iso this game when i'm bored

but can you site sources of where you thought this happened

((also note that mcmenno has done this))

Puts Maria as a scumread yet pushes Transcend repeatedly.

that was day 1 only? and even during most of day 1 she was townreading Maria

after rb's death implied town!Transcend and people lost interest in the case she pushed elsewhere but ok

Kraska's ISO looks like OMG I called Maria scum a lot pwease give me townie points.

i'm not really seeing where the appeal for towncred is coming from? she scumread scum and pushed it, that nets towncred no matter what.

Most of Kraska's early ISO is just large annoying spam. Not seeing the towniness.

i mean past RVS those "large annoying spam" posts where still game relevant, plus shitposting is good material for getting tonal reads imo

kraska reads as more engaged in the game even when she's shitposting which is usually a towntell for her. the way she reads the game and articulates herself reads more naturally then, say, it did in Cowboy Bebop.

plus i've never seen her push a bus on her partner for absolutely no tactical advantage (let alone some tactical advantage, i don't think she has ever actually gotten a bus through (i guess Skrub was close but he was never lynched))

Doubtcasting the cop and when that didn't work killed him.

transcend wasn't killed because he was a cop inno, he was killed because he had a deck rigger

nor do i really see the scum motivation in doubtcasting a cop inno... rb didn't outright claim that transcend was his inno and there was always room for doubt (like Uzi pointing out it could have been gerry, although now we know that that's most likely from being in the diamonds hood). yeah you can posture it her just wanting a mislynch to go through but that's just as likely as it being her thinking her read is correct and thinking that rb may have picked a different target.

maybe if i'm feeling generous this thought would make more sense if transcend were killed while kraska was in the game but i still feel like reading this game in your perspective is trying to force a narrative that doesn't quite mesh with what happened.

also on the point of cards being NAI, I agree with you and the lynch history of this town shows that we do too... we lynched a claimed cop (Maria) and decided to spare a governor (you) despite the paranoia about governor being in scum's hands. but in the case of a card like the Jack of Diamonds, it's just such a bad pick as scum that the towncred you would get from it doesn't outweigh the negative utility of being a lover AND giving town double lynches. that and the two of hearts (IC) are the only card that should even be considered "town picks" imo

and fyi math, people aren't townreading dunn for having the 7 of hearts and using it in a pro-town way (at least I'm not), lynching him is just bad play for today because tomorrow, 7s will be in trumps and we want to use the card revives again. he could be scum, but scum!Dunn still cooperates with town in that scenario and there's really no reason to not leash him in that case. after all, if dunn actually IS scum for "slipping the nk" then you should absolutely vote -Grey- here instead (although people want the double lynch tomorrow so).

there are also no plans to revive any 7 card and i don't know where you heard that from?? the scum pt?? (seriously i can't imagine where else you would hear that). we're probably going to see what result vecna gets from card spying before planning out revives.

also

... just because maxous says we're doing one thing doesn't mean that's what town's going to do... personally i think tomorrow we should use the lights-out-lynching to get Spyrex (necessary policy lynch if he's town, and there have been points raised against him anyway) and vote normally for the normal lynch. but that's just, like, my opinion.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

what points have been brought up about SpyreX?

arguably the worst vote on the Maria wagon yesterday

actually now that i think of it that might be the only point

kison and i were pushing on that until the beloved/double-hated claim came out

meaning that spyrex should be lynched on a day other than a spades-trump day (unless there's a benefit to skipping a night phase??)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

arc if you come back today, just skim d4 and give us your thoughts

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Dunn should be lynched today.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't get the picture. Please explain.

regardless of dunn's alignment, we're leashing him to use his card revive tomorrow

if i'm not mistaken (on mobile), we can't revive card revive cards (the only 2 are the two 7 of hearts)

since dunn is the outted holder, we're going to direct his revive. if he doesn't listen we lynch him, if not we can lynch him like any other player (i.e., if enough people scumread him)

there's literally no scum motivation to deliberately not listen to a directed action, especially if you "slipped" in another pt

AND I WAS DOING SO WELL

THANKS SESSION BOX

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the picture is because i feel like we talked about this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah it's confirmed that the two 7 of hearts are the only cards capable of reviving at the moment since we know for a fact that both queens of diamonds are in the deck

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't trust Dunn to follow the plan. Especially since we say we are going to lynch him tomorrow anyway. Name why he would follow the plan.

because people are still townreading him

if he's scum he's not going to literally (actually) scumclaim by not following a directed action that everyone can see the end result of as soon as it resolves

[gigabyteTroubadour]

And again...Why does that matter? If you're saying you're going to lynch him anyway then what is the incentive for a Dunn scum to work with us? This is a ridiculous dumb idea and we should just lynch him.

the incentive is to not die

[gigabyteTroubadour]

guys am i just explaining this really poorly

help a sibling out @___@

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also

this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i, and many others, believe that dunnstral is a fine member of the town

also

this

I don't get how gerry's iso of something is relevant here?

it's the last time gerry found "confirmed scum"

via a fruit vendor guilty

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Again. Apples oranges. Different kind of slip being talked about here.

i really don't trust town!gerry's judgement of what constitutes as a slip/guilty/really anything pertaining to mafia (which is why i linked that ISO)

i think mcmenno is scum, and the fact that mcmenno is a viable wagon at the moment shows that this is a widespread opinion

fishy realized that dunn saying "let's kill titus" isn't alignment indicative

you never even saw the thread in context

i don't understand why you expect a dunn lynch to go through at the moment

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'd ask if you can go for a mcmenno lynch but that's kind of diametrically opposed to a dunn lynch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

plus most of my reasoning on it is more tone/gut that might be hard to explain (me screaming "just skim his iso in defcon and shadowrun, totally different tone!! he feels like a caricature of himself here" can only mean so much)

there's probably enough content for me to piece a coherent case on him but my motivation for this game is basically devoted to the mechanics, rereading this clusterfuck of a game is kind of nauseating so i feel like i have to scumhunt in real time .-.

hoping AA9 impresses us tbh

((also drealmerz's description of you being a frog-in-a-blender is really apt... i feel like we're so close to consolidating/vibing together with different opinions and yet at the same time i feel like i'm talking to a brick wall that's too bricky to be real, you know?))

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah

[gigabyteTroubadour]

honestly now i get why people tend to coast when they roll IC i just lost the ability to give a fuck about towntellong lmfao

hoping AA9 impresses us tbh

I am stuck with reads in this game. I am going to pick up a nice player and sheep them blindly if that doesn't sound so bad.

What do you think about the argument about Dunn's slip? Usually arguments like that are a good jumping point to start.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I dont think Dunn is scum. there is big chunk of scummy pigs right in my wagon.

honestly i'm only hard townreading one person on that wagon and two are leaning town

which vote looks the worst to you? note that we can't lynch spyrex today because he's beloved right now

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Yup! He claimed 2 of Spades, so when the trump is spades he's a beloved princess.

We have a double lynch tomorrow thanks to diamonds so we're most likely PLing him that day

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Yup! He claimed 2 of Spades, so when the trump is spades he's a beloved princess.

We have a double lynch tomorrow thanks to diamonds so we're most likely PLing him that day

do you believe that? Beloved princess is extreme bastard role.

It's confirmed to be in the set-up (whether in the hands or in the deck we don't know for sure, but we disabled the nk so we know one person had it and Mathblade/Vedith claimed it too)

you know this is a semi-open game right

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Yup! He claimed 2 of Spades, so when the trump is spades he's a beloved princess.

We have a double lynch tomorrow thanks to diamonds so we're most likely PLing him that day

No...Because then you would have to PL me too remember. We should be lynching Dunn.

spryex isn't getting nk'd and is also double hated

plus he wants to be pl'd and i don't like the wifom of his claim and play and would rather get rid of that slot rather than let the confusion intended by scum!Spyrex to work

@twie we have dueling counterwagons could you please vote for one ty

agreed tho that people should get off of dunn

[gigabyteTroubadour]

actually i'm kind of now entertaining not PLing Spryex

i'll get back to everyone

[gigabyteTroubadour]

both the beloved claims are hated claims too though

[gigabyteTroubadour]

oh hey wait that means spyrex has a beta vig

maybe we shouldn't lynch that slot yet then?? better to plan it out i guess and see what cards we can revive

[gigabyteTroubadour]

(me screaming "just skim his iso in defcon and shadowrun, totally different tone!! he feels like a caricature of himself here" can only mean so much)

I mean... you know that's not how tone reading works right

then what kind of read is that

your posts have a different tone/sense/read to them compared to what i have seen in the past and it feels like an exaggeration of your normal self

that sounds like a tonal read

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Mathblade (1) - Dunnstral

Dunn.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

srsly dunn wagon is not happening. everyone on it should do somethign else instead

No. Not when I believe both are town. One is through lurking and one is through pointing out the scumslip. Lurking is not alignment indicative.

milkshake is why people are voting AA9

that's not a lurkerscum case

and also gerry pointed out the scumslip i don't see what's stopping menno from being, say, scum sheeping town who caught a ""slip""

[gigabyteTroubadour]

twie why ask people to vote if you're not voting

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i really want to kill mcscummy

dunnstral move your vote <3

[gigabyteTroubadour]

counting Dunn and AA9 as Mcmenno votes, 2 people need to compromise onto McScummy to get him lynched

versus 3 for AA9

will i learn my lesson

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i don't think gerry is scum, especially in a mcmenno!scum world

mathblade maybe

[gigabyteTroubadour]

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm just dead

this game and some others have killed me

[gigabyteTroubadour]

drealmerz

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i've speculated to my mason that scum are unlikely to be in the likely set-up nerds

[gigabyteTroubadour]

or maybe they were just paranoid of how it'd make them look

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Guess at this point we can safely say theres no stealth vigs drafted by anyone.......surprising scum strategy to be sure.

No we can't. Stealth vig scum would encouraging gentlemen claiming then knock people off one by one.

there are a lot of claims out there you know

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I've been struggling for motivation today.

same

i honestly don't really see AA9 scum and kind of would like to give her the benefit of the doubt and let Dunn and whoever else is in the hearts hood help her catch up in there or sort her better

i'd only lynch there to end the day

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Sometimes it feels like this website could really do with a bit more of a "follow the leader" mentality to reduce the ammount of game-apathy that appears to accumulate in quite some games.

^^

but which leader do we follow!?!?!?! >:O

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Sometimes it feels like this website could really do with a bit more of a "follow the leader" mentality to reduce the ammount of game-apathy that appears to accumulate in quite some games.

^^

but which leader do we follow!?!?!?! >:O

me.

Let's lynch mathblade.

VOTE: Mathblade

Bad vote.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

intent

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lolhammers aren't my style sorry

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'd be down for it yeah

[gigabyteTroubadour]

double lynches grey

double lynches

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'd rather mcmenno too dw

i'm just saying i wouldn't mind doing both depending on cardspy results

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like mechanically i think mcmenno is better than AA9

only use his pr has is to be in hoods and mcmenno hasn't had play that made good use of that imo

making it a much more pro-scum power because he can at least relay info to his buddies

meanwhile we can at least try to engage AA9 in one of her two hoods now that she's back

[gigabyteTroubadour]

basically my plan yeah

we already know she's in two hoods so that's basically going to limit her claims

magna picked... probably the pgo and something other than the card revive? worst case scenario here is probably a doctor lynch

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Why are mathblade and gerry of all people on your do not lynch list alongside giga who is most likely going to be mechanically towncleared tomorow?

btw just quoting this to remind everyone i will NOT be conf'd

hearts must be in trumps in the DAY for my power to work, check the OP

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if i do die (doubt it tbh) then my mason's claim can be verified by the clubs hood members btw

absolutely do not lynch them until XYLO (or with a guilty)

they know a lot of really important bits of info that should stay in town's hands

Sorry for getting aa's gender wrong.

Yeah, scum don't pick the IC/suicide card. We really don't need a hearts day to know giga is town.

*mathblade voice* it's part of my scumplay to manipulate mechanics....... no one is clear....


btw mathblade ilu dont take that personally <33

this is legit the most fun i've ever had in a mafia game and i love every single one of you no matter how much i express annoyance/nauseousness/whatever

and to think that i originally wasn't going to be here

[gigabyteTroubadour]

They're obvtown in this thread (and private conversation, but more because I get more of an idea of how their thought process works. i absolutely hate using pts as town unless i have secret info i use since scum like using them to manipulate people more intimately, so i'd hope i'm more cognizant of when i'm only townreading someone because of smart pt use), but it's more about information that they carry yeah

i don't want to hint at who it is but i also think their card(s) are going to be important later in the game, especially if i do in fact die

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also in case their neighborizing card comes into play again

I'm assuming we should aim to neighborize Vecna's neighbor? I have a pretty good guess as to who it is so I could relay that to them too.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Well, we aren't getting a neighbourise any time soon

you know this for a fact or you just mean not for tomorrow?

i'd talk about what i just posted tomorrow ideally because second cardspy result but i kind of just realized i'm a target even if i've never actually been NK'd mid-game (only once before MYLO in a game that absolutely should not have gone to mylo )

[gigabyteTroubadour]

oh god i just looked at the deadline and it looks like i'm going to be just waking up during the deadline

i'm not sure when arc usually logs on but i'm really sorry if i'm going to have to hammer without a claim

[gigabyteTroubadour]

well that was my reasoning for suggesting your partner

dw i'm sure we'll work something out tonight

but you're against a non-L-1 claim?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

actually yeah why would he claim anytime besides L-1

i guess i reminded myself to do that because of all the lolhammers we've had

No worries Giga, I'll be awake.

I'm always awake.

I want McMenno but I won't just let the day end in No Lynch out of spite.

that's me the past few days but i have to Stop

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mathblade are you like the kind of player who can meta/get a feel for someone's personality and how it differs from when they're town or scum

because i'd link some kraska games to show that this doesn't read like her fake scumhunting at all

if it's a wasted effort then i really don't know how else to articulate this read because i feel like we're at odds in terms of playstyle

plus my read on you is quite literally a frog-in-a-blender

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm tempted to hammer

but i feel bad about it lmfao

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm making a cool hammering post,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

i forgot if i've ever hammered in a mafia game before so i have to make this one special

[gigabyteTroubadour]

in a way that gives AA9 a timer to claim/make a readlist or something

[gigabyteTroubadour]

don't forget to use protection

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VOTE: arcangel9

in case it's too aesthetic to count

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm now in a neighborhood by myself

we can revive AA9's card to move someone into a hood with you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

not light-out-lynching spyrex is a scumclaim

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if we ML our normal lynch today then we're in mylo tomorrow

meaning spyrex can actually be qh'd

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no discussion about card revives until vecna gives a result or dies

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@Mod, will the votecount (i.e., who voted who) for the Lights-Out-Lynch be revealed, or will that also stay anonymous?

just double checking

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@Mod, will the votecount (i.e., who voted who) for the Lights-Out-Lynch be revealed, or will that also stay anonymous?

just double checking

implication i meant but didn't articulate is when the flip occurs, not during the day

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Voting for a lynch occurs in this thread as per usual. When a player is lynched, they will die and the vote count will reset and a new lynch continues (assuming a K of diamonds still exists in the game). Both flips will be revealed at the end of the Day.

oh i completely misinterpeted LOL somehow ok

VOTE: McMenno

doesn't matter the order we lynch them

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if the scumteam kills grey or we lynch him btw we lose the double lynch

meaning scum can't take this to MYLO tomorrow

making a grey lynch a bad idea because if blade is town we want them alive in MYLO not LYLO

no? because spyrex flips at eod and we can assume he flips town

the votecount resets though, no?

i sent in a vote via pm but 4789 implies that's not how it works

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Oh right, mechanical shite. Because lynching town is more optimal than lynching scum.

ok normally i'd agree but

spyrex is double hated during spades

i'm not taking chances with that during MYLO, even if we're not in spades

like we'd have to be 100% that either Spyrex is scum or that spades never come up again to not lynch him today

the first one makes not lynching him pointless, the second one is something we can't do

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Oh right, mechanical shite. Because lynching town is more optimal than lynching scum.

ok normally i'd agree but

spyrex is double hated during spades

i'm not taking chances with that during MYLO, even if we're not in spades

like we'd have to be 100% that either Spyrex is scum or that spades never come up again to not lynch him today

the first one makes not lynching him pointless, the second one is something we can't do

No, it basically trades the mislynch THEN for NOW, and that's dumb.

you realize

that scum can qh spyrex WITHOUT town intervention since he's double hated

right

like if he were hated (like MB) you would have a point but lynching him now vs. later is actually different in this case

i'm pretty solid on uzi town btw, sorry for almost tunneling you yesterday :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i absolutely cannot see kraska, who literally replaced out of this game and left this site because "mafia isn't for me and i've been put in a lot of really uncomfortable positions here", taking a card that almost certainly forces you into a PT with someone who will most likely townread you for your card as scum

like in a past game someone knew they were replacing into a scum slot just because she replaced out and made a thread about how toxic this game can get

or when she told me in pms about how much she hated manipulating people as scum

not in a million years does someone like that take a PR that forces you to get intimate with someone. if scum really wanted a mole in a lover pt they would pick ANYONE else

[gigabyteTroubadour]

they're lovers mcmenno

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'll get back to you on that one but i'll ask the mods for their ruling

@Mod, do lovers get a PT after Kings are in trumps and they are loverized?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i wish i could explain sorry

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no discussion about card revives until vecna gives a result or dies

Result on what

cardspy

@dunn why is mcmenno town

or menno/blade inconceivable? though gut says only one

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Idk why you'd think they would, Gigs.

also whatever happened to giggles </3

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah but spyrex has to die so we really only have 1 lynch

like obviously we're all going to think the person we vote flips scum here but if they don't it's autoloss if we keep spyrex alive

gonna see how the votes fall before i make a legit case

[gigabyteTroubadour]

actually hmmm

if we lynch someone holding the 2 of spades, can we revive that card and give it to someone more likely town?

like i don't like either slot with it but we really do want to use that card

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Hey giga i have one you'll have ot free today

what's an ot

Hey guys, when are you gonna stop being dumbasses and stop letting mafia lead lynches.

kraska was my mason buddy but hey your reads are your reads

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if we do a massclaim I would like gigabyte to pick the order

obviously we go in reverse draft order (starting with TWIE)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

speaking of draft order i honestly think there's two scum in one triplicate (most likely 12)

but there's really nothing to hard-prove that

[gigabyteTroubadour]

6 - rb

9 - Creature

14 - Jackel98

26 - MariaR

42 - Vedith
77 - kraska77

3141592653 - Titus
4 - MagnaofIllusion
4 - Transcend

5 - gerryoat
5 - Fishythefish
11 - davesaz
11 - Kison

13 - gigabyteTroubadour

13 - Maxous
17 - drealmerz7

17 - Drone

2 - Vecna
2 - Dunnstral
2 - SpyreX
12 - McMenno
12 - Lil Uzi Vert
12 - Vifam

barely anyone in the bottom of the draft has been hard-flipped and i think Mathblade/Vedith and Kraska are both likely townslots

[gigabyteTroubadour]

plus nothing about kraska's interactions read like her usual interactions with partners (replacing out makes that harder to confirm because she's easier to read after a partner flips)

too much pressure on Maria, not enough coachiness

i just don't think her scumgame suddenly improves this much

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Subject: OPEN 649 — PICK YOUR POWER X/Y. EXPERIMENT OVER.

== Draft Order ==

Chrimi — 1
Creature — 9

Killthestory — 11
MariaR — 13

Dunnstral — 2
gigabyteTroubadour — 2
Skelda — 4
Charloux — 4
Ümläüt — 5
pisskop — 5

Zachstralkita — 6

cytheflyguy — 6

Vedith — 12

Shadow_Step — 12

fwiw here's the colored draft order of the last PYP

i don't think maria decided the numbers for this team but i think it's still noteworthy that she's seen picking 11 and 13 be successful so

[gigabyteTroubadour]

bwuh??

[gigabyteTroubadour]

thats ur cue to explain that because i don't see it at all

mathblade flips scum here maybe but as dunn's partner???????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

correct me if i'm wrong

but if we do keep spyrex alive and don't lynch scum today

that means we have to keep him alive for all of XYLO when we consecutively lynch scum (unless we believe he's scum)

meaning we just slow down almost inevitable autoloss

[gigabyteTroubadour]

because they keep stubbornly tunneling each-other.

it's starting to come across as posturing

also it's just me but i feel like if it were posturing Mathblade would be giving more to Dunn!scum then "obv scumslip", and Dunn would be pushing more too

if anything it feels weak from both sides

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if anything it feels weak from both sides

yeah

SpyreX is only hated on spade days

posturing implies it wouldn't be weak from both sides. implies overcompensation

mb's push feels intellectually lazy ( ), dunn's makes sense from his position and tr'ing mcscummy i guess so it's not as bad

mb gets rope first here always

also yeah spyrex is only hated on spade days but again we have to be 100% certain that we blitz every scumslot in MYLO and also never get spades in the day. too many variables when we can remove one safely

we can also not use our double lynch but that gives scum a nk

[gigabyteTroubadour]

getting an increased feeling that Math and Dunn are pulling a double bus

Fine lynch dunn first.

This week I have loaded an entire uhaul unloaded it, had three resume building sessions and I am running a fever right now. Walls just ain't going to happen and aren't necessary when Dunn slipped then Grey is also scum. Lynch Dunn first then if Dunn flips scum lynch Grey and we have GG I think?

there are 4 more scum but ok

not taking this dumbtell seriously if you were shooting for that angle

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like i know i have misread kraska before (twice and only twice. sadly both games i was in)

the first time i didn't know her

the second time i only joined that game to be with her and didn't want to lynch her first so i bs'd a shit townread i kind of believed in

i am really fucking sure she was town

grey shooting titus was a massive misplay, not scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

So grey is an alt or is scum claim and either way Grey knows how deadly town Titus is. There is 0 way I think Grey did that as Town.

if grey is in fact an alt i know exactly who he is

he shoots titus as town here

[gigabyteTroubadour]

my case for -grey- town is this:

• http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67884
  
  and
  
  http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67887

vs.

• http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68486
  
  and
  
  http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68243
  
  and
  
  http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=69095

the difference between kraska's town play and scum play is night and day

if i have to go through and like explain her tells i will but this is just bullshit i'm slowly losing the ability to condone sorry

[gigabyteTroubadour]

gigabyte I can't see how you can say kraskaslot was obvtown and advocate lynching mathblade/vedithslot

i think mathblade is town but i'm just utterly baffled at everything they do

i'd only advocate their lynch if you flip town because i think gerry is town and the support of the scumslip case and calling Dunn/McMenno wagons SvT looks bad after your townflip. buddying i guess a wagon that wasn't likely to go through

dunn could be scum i guess but i still feel that math is more likely to flip scum then him (but in most circumstances they both are town)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

it's less advocating a lynch and more considering scum-potentiality - it's good to talk the stuff out

also that

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i kind of want to know who vecna thinks is a bad lynch wrt to the trump card

not getting the actual obvtowns to vote this way is

bwuh??

heh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Kraska was very adamant about meta read on Transcend and the effort shown in her case doesn't look like something scum would take the time to do and the Titus shot was fairly reasonable in my opinion.

actually uzi brings up a good point

why is blade so adamant that the titus shot has to have scum motivation

like call me out if i'm wrong but they believed grey was scummy for that too before the scumslip discussion

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Kraska and maria had a very odd interaction history. Enough that while back in the day i liked kraska it made me hella paranoia

if you take a look at the scum games i linked kraska is usually very anti-bus (unless absolutely necessary) and barely interacts with her partners except to coach them if they're playing horribly (keyenpeydee *cough*)

it's possible this was her first and last time bussing yeah but occam says town

also looking through rb's iso a team with vedith and mcmenno have good motive to kill him off, because besides maria those were his scumreads (he called mcmenno a townclear unless the diamonds hood has a fruit vendor. guess who the fruit vendor is?)

leans more towards mathblade but works for either

still think he was killed more for his townreads and just actually having his shit together but he had his shit together so

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Max might be scum I guess, I doubt milkshake/gerry/LUV/Transcend are tho.

hmmm

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'd believe it with him pushing for my lynch with the guys I want to lynch.

Mathblade first. Sounds like spyrex picked anti town cards if town

yeah honestly i forgot how shit vedith was and i'm going through rb's iso to get his exact reads

VOTE: Mathblade

also gonna laugh if i was right that vedith was trying to vanity bus mcscummy

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Kraska wasnt bussing exactly. Look at that early back and forth its like the awkward hug between cousins that dont see each other often but made out one time

why in memory do i have her leading the lynch

i'll look back when i'm done with what i'm doing rn

quotes would help

[gigabyteTroubadour]

This doesn't feel right to me. Feels like a distraction.

mathblade or grey lynch or me going through rb's iso

[gigabyteTroubadour]

eh

yeah probably

UNVOTE:

let me finish this iso and see what happens

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Kraska wasnt bussing exactly. Look at that early back and forth its like the awkward hug between cousins that dont see each other often but made out one time

why in memory do i have her leading the lynch

i'll look back when i'm done with what i'm doing rn

quotes would help

I'm talking d1. All that early stuff.
I'm reading from phone so quotes are hard

oh in that case yeah i agree but i think that was because transcend was her bigger scumread

like after transcend's inno she doesn't really try to moonlogic rb's inno being gerry or someone else and iirc focuses on maria

[gigabyteTroubadour]

^ that's just from memory tho, still rb isoing

[gigabyteTroubadour]

MathBlade Vedith
-Grey- kraska77
gerryoat
Fishythefish
davesaz
Kison
gigabyteTroubadour
Maxous
drealmerz7
Vecna
Dunnstral
SpyreX
McMenno
Lil Uzi Vert
TheWayItEnds Vifam

Transcend
Creature
Lil Uzi Vert
Titus

All town.

Spoiler:

MathBlade Vedith
-Grey- kraska77
gerryoat
Fishythefish
davesaz
Kison
gigabyteTroubadour
Maxous
drealmerz7
Vecna
Dunnstral
SpyreX
McMenno

Lil Uzi Vert

TheWayItEnds Vifam

You're not even cool, rb.

this is scum banter, not town banter

Lynch

Spoiler:

MathBlade Vedith

-Grey- kraska77
gerryoat
Fishythefish
davesaz
Kison
gigabyteTroubadour
Maxous
drealmerz7
Vecna
Dunnstral
SpyreX
McMenno

Lil Uzi Vert

TheWayItEnds Vifam

VOTE: Vedith

Other good lynches are MariaR and drealmerz.

^ disagree that drealfucker is scum but hey it's his read

Spoiler:

MathBlade Vedith

-Grey- kraska77
gerryoat
Fishythefish
davesaz
Kison
gigabyteTroubadour
Maxous

drealmerz7

Vecna
Dunnstral
SpyreX
McMenno

Lil Uzi Vert

TheWayItEnds Vifam

I'm in a neighbourhood and I think I have 4 townclears. No, I'm not outing them.

I want those people in my neighbourhoods to form a voting block with me. I'm very obvious town, this is the optimal strategy because this game is too big to have shitty small wagons but both of these leading wagons are heartbreakingly shit.

Also there's probably 1 scum in one of those neighbourhoods because FrOoT VenDoR, but we can deal with that latoR.

Spoiler:

MathBlade Vedith

-Grey- kraska77

gerryoat

Fishythefish
davesaz
Kison
gigabyteTroubadour
Maxous

drealmerz7

Vecna

Dunnstral

SpyreX
McMenno

Lil Uzi Vert

TheWayItEnds Vifam

Doubt he's scum

RE: SpyreX

Spoiler:

MathBlade Vedith

-Grey- kraska77

gerryoat

Fishythefish
davesaz
Kison
gigabyteTroubadour
Maxous

drealmerz7

Vecna

Dunnstral

SpyreX

McMenno

Lil Uzi Vert

TheWayItEnds Vifam

What's the spades neighbourhood?

No one answer this.

just putting this in here because it's interesting

possibility that scum doesn't know who's in the spades hood because it's the only hood without scum

Vecna no, kison is ultra compromise, drone i have no particular objections to but i think theres better lynches to flip scum by and uzi is just so painfully playing his town meta i refuse to vote him

Spoiler:

MathBlade Vedith

-Grey- kraska77

gerryoat

Fishythefish
davesaz

Kison

gigabyteTroubadour
Maxous

drealmerz7

Vecna

Dunnstral

SpyreX

McMenno

Lil Uzi Vert

TheWayItEnds Vifam

i realize he calls menno town in 1868 but i'm like 90% sure it's not by play and because he was in the diamonds hood

Max might be scum I guess, I doubt milkshake/gerry/LUV/Transcend are tho.

he called max town a few posts ago but i think this is the last time he commented on it

Spoiler:

MathBlade Vedith

-Grey- kraska77

gerryoat

Fishythefish
davesaz

Kison

gigabyteTroubadour

Maxous

drealmerz7

Vecna

Dunnstral

SpyreX

McMenno

Lil Uzi Vert

TheWayItEnds Vifam

Sooooo i want to have a nice townblock with Titus/Vecna/Transcend/RB/Kraska to start it off but I wonder at the alignment of some of those slots (Titus/Kraska).

gonna count this as a grey townread

i don't really trust rb's ability to read kraska for personal out-of-game reasons

Spoiler:

MathBlade Vedith

-Grey- kraska77

gerryoat

Fishythefish
davesaz

Kison

gigabyteTroubadour

Maxous

drealmerz7

Vecna

Dunnstral

SpyreX

McMenno

Lil Uzi Vert

TheWayItEnds Vifam

and its fine for u to use the RVS excuse but u JUST SAID that we need big wagons and u are keeping an rvs vote instead of creating a bigger wagon

this doesnt addup mr. thinkyman

also this i'm going to count as a dave scumlean but he never really outright calls a read on him

MathBlade Vedith

-Grey- kraska77

gerryoat

davesaz

Kison

Maxous

drealmerz7

Vecna

Dunnstral

SpyreX

McMenno

Lil Uzi Vert

TheWayItEnds Vifam

take out me and fishy from here because i'm obvtown and fishy is never spoken about except in saying legit inactive people are bad lynches at this state which is fair

looking at this though i really think the four remaining scum are in {MB, Kison, Max, McMenno, TWIE}. maybe dave and drealmerz but they're in the mason tier of townreads or close

like an uzi scumteam has very little to kill off rb unless it's to protect one of the five (7?) people above but none of those players except maybe drealfucker or dave (or vifam but he got left behind quickly so idk) are really worth saving

dunn/grey scumteam is just................................... silly.............. to kill off rb if he was this far off. i can see kraska maybe killing rb for personal reasons but like i don't thinks she's that kind of person

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*i don't think

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah i honestly want mathblade gone

card spy results may make me want to keep them around as the last scum to lynch in lylo though

[gigabyteTroubadour]

math i'm curious who do you think the final four scum are

[gigabyteTroubadour]

none of those players except maybe drealfucker or dave (or vifam but he got left behind quickly so idk) are really worth saving

actually kison can go in this list too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

my current guess is McMenno/Mathblade/Maxous/TWIE

but that's mostly via throwing shit at the wall, first 2 are the only ones i really scumread

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Drone (12) - Vifam,

MariaR

, Vedith,

Titus

, Vecna,

gigabyteTroubadour

, Fishythefish, Lil Uzi Vert,

milkshake

, kraska77,

Transcend

, McMenno

Vecna and fishy should objectively be obvious town at this point

{TWIE, Mathblade, McMenno, -Grey-}

kraska's vote was objectively bad but she made a similar one in another game as town when she felt the same way she did here (completely gave up pushing a lynch she felt hit scum and just compromised on the biggest wagon)

mcmenno had a literal quickhammer w/o a claim just remember that too

but either way that pool of scummy slots we haven't flipped yet is interesting to say the least

also remember that creature died after saying that scum are likely on the drone wagon

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Jackel98 (11) - SpyreX,

gigabyteTroubadour

,

milkshake

, kraska77, McMenno, Fishythefish, Lil Uzi Vert, drealmerz7, Vifam,

Transcend

, Vecna

for the most part i actually townread this wagon now that i'm looking at it with flips

{SpyreX, -Grey-, McMenno, LUV, TWIE}

are the only ones that aren't mason-tier townreads. only mcmenno/twie i'd lynch with info we have

uh??

you'll know i'm town when i claim

fair enough i guess

honestly dave summed up how i feel about you this game

but my mason buddy thinks you're likely town so *shrug*

*reads dreal iso*
ewwwwwwwww
VOTE: Dreal

The timing of this makes me think dreal town

agreed

[gigabyteTroubadour]

MariaR (4) - davesaz, Dunnstral, Maxous, Kison

this is likely an all town wagon tbh

dunn has the highest chance of flipping scum here but that's only if jackel wagon is mostly town since he pushed the "people who lynched jackel so he can shoot are scummy" the hardest

[gigabyteTroubadour]

MariaR (10) - Dunnstral, kraska77, Kison, Lil Uzi Vert,

gigabyteTroubadour

, Vecna, drealmerz7, Fishythefish, SpyreX,

Transcend

i don't have a good handle of kison's personality but is he the kind of person who would have been on jackel for the easy ML while also scumreading maria? if not then he's probably not bussing here

dunn can go either way because again he pushed the jackal wagon being scummier the hardest and that could just be because he knew the flip (but i think it's unlikely he's scum again)

it was kraska's idea to lynch jackel first and honestly her reasoning was pro-town and i think completely valid. still doesn't read like something scum would do when the blowback it could receive is obvious

uzi i guess fishy is right that it's kind of a bad vote but again i really don't see an uzi team killing rb early in the game unless he's hardpushing a partner, and in that case we lynch the partner first

would not shock me if this was just an all-town wagon but then that begs the question of what the fuck scum are doing

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok maria was speedlynched within two days

so scum just not being active is actually completely plausible here

bussing is smarter than voting for elsewhere so gerry is also likely town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

who was inactive day 3?

was Vedith?

pretty sure yeah

we might be over-thinking the night kills in terms of Uzi.

idk

what seems off to you?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

And you're voting her?

no i am clealry asking for a lynch on her while not voting myself :^)

Why are you not voting her then?
Scum confirmed.

ok this is his last post before replacing out (although he initially planned to do so earlier)

interesting he says bs like this while not voting maria btw

dunn has the highest chance of flipping scum here

dunn can go either way

no

i think this should be crystal clear but i literally do not know how to read you

evidence points to town so i'm saying town

but like

???????????????????? dunn factor ????????????????????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah took the words from me max

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i thought you were obvtown in the bits of curse of strahd i read if that means anything about my complete and utter inability to read you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if rb townread all of the scumteam but maria and uzi is scum then rb kill makes zero sense

let the townbeard push a mislynch or two or just bus maria

so i think rb had at least 1 other scum correct and atm i'm leaning mathblade

maybe the scumteam wasn't worried about rb pushing mcmenno if he claimed fruit vendor

i think this should be crystal clear but i literally do not know how to read you

evidence points to town so i'm saying town

but like

???????????????????? dunn factor ????????????????????

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7912407



Btw, I wouldn't lynch uzi over a number of other players. He very well can be town, he's just awkward and hard to read and pretty lynchbaity as town and I've never seen him as scum I think

i don't take the scumslip case seriously but that doesn't make you conftown

if blade and/or mcmenno flip scum then yeah you can be conf but we're almost in mylo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

btw

Subject: Mini 1789: Puppy Mafia! (GAME OVER)

right
TSQ pushing that scumslip reminds me of RC pushing a supposed scumslip when it actually wasn't. he was scum.

Subject: Mini 1789: Puppy Mafia! (GAME OVER)

Thestatusquo has been lynched!

Spoiler: Thestatusquo was a

Mafia Goon!

It is now Night 3. Please submit your actions within (expired on 2016-06-02 00:16:16)

js

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Dunn grey Maxous giga

I have to be lynched anyway for hated.

Used to townread Maxous til that.

I have to go do people lynch dunn.

guess ur buddying didnt work huh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Dunn grey Maxous giga

wait was that post directed to us or do you think that's the scumteam

[gigabyteTroubadour]

we

are

massclaiming starting with TWIE right?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Dunn grey Maxous giga

wait was that post directed to us or do you think that's the scumteam

Scumteam

yeah

VOTE: Mathblade

[gigabyteTroubadour]

omgus is literally the worst buzzword

i don't think that scumteam is something someone thinks of when they're town

also speak for yourself on omgus you were townreading me yesteday and now i'm scumreading you and suddenly i'm a scumread

lmfao

[gigabyteTroubadour]

teamhunting isn't why i'm scumreading you

it's

the fact that you have literally no reason to scumread a fucking IC claim

ok yes people are absolutely capable of gaming mechanics

but what the hell is the point of becoming confirmed scum for towncred that could either last for a long time or go away instantly (and with a scumteam with no ability to rig the deck no less)

and also js i would never fucking A: let maria pick the cards she did as scum, B: shoot rb when he was townreading most of my team

i would also be anti-massclaim because at that point i'd know everyone's cards and i wouldn't want town to organize

also do you really think max and i picked the same numbers while i go for a pick i'd expect to be popular (IC?) and max claims to have an extremely town claim?

it looks more like you hamfisted the people who are the biggest threat to you atm together into a team

[gigabyteTroubadour]

maxous scumread is also left field considering i tried to get you to explain your weird townread of him that you never did

[gigabyteTroubadour]

neither of the deck riggers can activate heart powers, otherwise we would have done so

and nfs it's something scum do but like you're not analyzing why i'm pointing that out

hint it's because nothing about this fucking gamestate makes sense from giga!scum perspective

maxous scumread is also left field considering i tried to get you to explain your weird townread of him that you never did

Wish I wasn't phone posting else I would put up a moon image here

i enjoy moonlogic and use it often

but like

?????????????????????????? you don't think it's town to just point to a random post, say "this is obvious town!", refuse to explain why, and then throw that person into a random-ass scumteam

this isn't a town thought process in the slightest

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*i don't

slip????????????????????????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i feel like the scum motive here is to bait us into reviving a hearts card

if scum know what's next in the deck too then they probably don't want that card coming into effect

is it another two?

Spoiler: hoping for two of hearts in the day tbh

No slip e.g. I do support mass claim when scum <<scum hint if said

My shoulder is killing me I have no strength for wordy explanations just going what I can

i was referring to my typo as a slip but ok don't overwork yourself

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm basing my ultimate decision for today based on the cardspy results tbh

math being scum is new information to me and actually i found something in the VCs I want to point out that strongly hints scum!Vedith

stay tuned

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm still going through and copying and pasting all the votecounts into notepad before i color them in and start analyzing and writing what i initially saw and if closer analysis shows me anything but question to the audience

Lil Uzi Vert (6) - SpyreX,

Fishythefish

, Kison,

milkshake

,

Titus

, kraska77
Vedith (6) - davesaz,

Jackel98

, gerryoat,

gigabyeTroubadour

,

rb

,

Transcend

Drone

(3) - Vifam,

MariaR

, Vedith

Jackel98

(2) - Maxous, Vecna

Transcend

(1) - McMenno

rb

(1) - drealmerz7

milkshake

(1) -

Creature

MariaR

(1) -

Drone

Not Voting (2) Dunnstral, Lil Uzi Vert

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

how likely do you guys think it is that the entire drone wagon at the moment has 3 scum on it...?

scum vanitying makes a lot of sense with town!Uzi and his composition being mostly town i think even if vedith is scum since it'll look the people pushing Uzi look bad after he flips

especially if the scum CW has volatile voters on it like rb, myself, and Transcend so it might not even win

but an entire wagon of scum?

vifam was inactive but Maria and Vedith had to have deliberately put their votes there

i think vedith was sheeping Maria too? lmfao??

the only issue is i have a really had time finding the fourth scum (it's not dunn and it's not grey, i have that much for certain in a scum!Blade world)

Lil Uzi Vert

(6) -

SpyreX

,

Fishythefish

, Kison,

milkshake

,

Titus

,

kraska77

Vedith

(6) -

davesaz

,

Jackel98

,

gerryoat

,

gigabyeTroubadour

,

rb

,

Transcend

Drone

(3) - Vifam,

MariaR

,

Vedith

Jackel98

(2) - Maxous,

Vecna

Transcend

(1) -

McMenno

rb

(1) -

drealmerz7

milkshake

(1) -

Creature

MariaR

(1) -

Drone

Not Voting (2)

Dunnstral

,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-15 18:00:00)

coloring the reads that i'm really sure on in and their respective assocative reads (confbias zone lmfao but whatever)

{fishy, vecna, drealfucker} all obvtowns i don't feel like explaining my read on, i think all three have good maria associatives too (maybe not fishy as much?)

i think this is workable tbh

one town in {Max, Kison, TWIE}? intuition says max but i can see all three

Ok so still reading and you've even more confused me giga

Cause kraska was pushy on maria d2 more but you were saveaho waay before then

saveaho? spy ilu but sometimes i don't know what you're saying

what are your thoughts on one-town-in-{Max, Kison, TWIE}?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

{fishy, vecna, drealfucker} all obvtowns i don't feel like explaining my read on, i think all three have good maria associatives too (maybe not fishy as much?)

forgot to continue this oops

gerry's town by diamonds hoodmembership that isn't a fruit vendor (as is dunn but also good associations with vedith slot)

LUV's wagon is a steady CW to scum, meaning it's mostly town (so one scum in {LUV, MB} but LUV scum makes little sense with the rb kill so early on)

still really fucking sure i can read kraska over the long-game

if dave were bussing he'd probably rather bus Maria

SpyreX is towning the fuck up as he's about to be PL'd

don't really see anything else that needs explaining. even if i can't explain my scumreads well the townreads work via POE

Shoot Luv Dunn or Gerry thanks :/

Weak. Shoot Maria

Interesting set of 3 by maria

based on meta they're all town too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that's not the damning evidence that vedith is scum via votecounts btw

but the idea that the uzi wagon has a fuckton of flipped town/obvtown and just never moves means that scum don't want him lynched early on, screams town lynchbait

i think he'd be bussed as scum if he were caught that early, and rb would definitely not be killed because that means scum don't want to bus

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Just one twon? Thats hard. Heart says kison head says max for town there.

yeah i basically feel the same way tbh

i still don't really know why i scumread kison... when i read his iso i think town

but max reads as town too and i'm assuming his claim is really town (as in i know what it is)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no Vedith was active

he just spent the entire time pushing town people and chainsaw defending maria

VOTE: MathBlade

????????????????

math it's not throwing shade if you're pushing the fuckign lynch good gl

stop throwing random buzzwords that don't even apply laughing my lmao ass off

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Town Maxous would reread and find his mistakes after pushing the ArcAngel lynch. Instead he lurks and just throws shade. I has need more votes.

are you insinuating that

town!maxous can't reread the game

and come to the conclusion you're scum via AA9 townflip??

[gigabyteTroubadour]

not following that train of thought but do tell

dave is like

the one slot that i feel like is town because i believe it in my heart

maria scumread D2 and pushing to slow down and think about things after jackel ml reads genuine to me dunno

[gigabyteTroubadour]

because i believe it in my heart

by this i mean i have like no reason to really believe in it as hard as i actually do and most of it comes from me wanting that slot to be town than actually reading it as town

I don't think I can support a mariar lynch here

one I feel like this is kinda her v kraska on who jackel shot and I am scumreading kraska more

two she is my scumbuddy and I don't really want to bus right now

This hurts us yea yea i know but the cheek

don't think it's cheeky scum?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wouldn't that make him more likely to be town? :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ATTENTION TOWNIES, the 10 of Diamonds was taken from the discard pile.

ooooooh

somethings have clicked for me

i think

[gigabyteTroubadour]

shuffle and pgo

fishy has it obviously

[gigabyteTroubadour]

That's actually a good idea.
Get the innocent child confirmation and then discard the card.

The other card revive should do that.

+plus it would give another scum kill disabler

ok math since you're not townreading this slot any more can u explain tf was town about this post

btw rereading i realized why i thought blade was town lol

usually when someone's play starts off decent and then descents to utter fuckery in replace in it's scum right