Mystic Mafia [Endgame]

[drealmerz7]

seek

find

question (seek)

[drealmerz7]

practitioners of the Turtle Path

Intriguing.

Not intriguing at all, actually.

intriguing

[drealmerz7]

Dunnstral already fishing and he thinks he's slick

btw, I have a small d

you have a big D

[drealmerz7]

I'm not one to usually soft

if anything I might crumb, but that is rare

my post was:

seek the scum

find the scum

question (analyze, continue to seek scum)

not that I'm declaring it

wasn't

a soft

that's the last I'll say of any of that - I HATE ROLE TALK, especially on D1, until we've got an L-1

[drealmerz7]

... I'm glad i did <3

I'm also glad you did

[drealmerz7]

"last game" - do you mean fate's last game?

"don't believe anything" - do you mean you are thinking the mod might lie/this could be bastard to degrees?

[drealmerz7]

I have found you guys the first scum,

it is drealmerz7.

You're welcome.

I'm going to be calling you "SAD"

[drealmerz7]

anyone know what ayahuasca is?

[drealmerz7]

all this soft-serve you keep imagining, Dunn, perhaps you should get some ice cream to satisfy your craving
vanilla
neopolitan
phish food

something

[drealmerz7]

I know quite a bit about ayahuasca I should have simply suggested people look it up, if they're interested in spiritual path sort of stuff.

[drealmerz7]

it's essentially natural DMT and the way it is done slows the processing of it through the body so it lasts for several hours (where if you do synthetic DMT the experience is over in 15 minutes because there aren't inhibitors taken along with it to draw out the experience)

it's definitely a spiritual thing, not a recreational thing

[drealmerz7]

we must combine our minds to see True

[drealmerz7]

we're on the astral plane

there are no restrictions of expression here

we are fully free and open to explore all aspects of all depths of all

VOTE: Nachomamma8

[drealmerz7]

x10 when it is nacho

[drealmerz7]

nacho, one more chance, tell us you were lying but you're town and I'll forgive it

one time

[drealmerz7]

I don't

[drealmerz7]

establish

[drealmerz7]

individuals would be wise to not leave their trash scattered about the plane

[drealmerz7]

Anyone want to claim non-turtle?

I think Staeg did already

[drealmerz7]

Anyone want to claim non-turtle?

wait...is this you also claiming non-turtle?

hmmm

so, what do you all think the others are?

snakes?

[drealmerz7]

little catchup from the beginning part 1:

I wouldn't do that

- refering to role-fishing, yes he would

I think Dunnstral may be for highlighting what he thought was a soft in thread. Rather than, you know, taking it back to the scumthread and parsing what it may actually allude to.

I mean, he coulda done both, but my inclination is to think someone wouldn't bring up the same topic in two places. Maybe. I dunno. Maybe not.

First, ^ this comes off majorly awkward to me, in a scummyway too. but that is not the main issue for me

the main issue is that, why are you not inclined to think they'd bring it up in 2 places? your stance is that scum wouldn't bother, but why would town bother? If I see something I think could be a soft or crumb, the last thing I do is bring it up and talk about it, that is, really scummy, so the defense of the action is scummy to me too.

I think Dunnstral may be [town] for highlighting what he thought was a soft in thread...

Do you think scum would have any way to work off that... soft? I mean, you must, since otherwise--

Iunno, Dunn seems to think so.

speaking for dunn, dunn never says anything about it 1 way or the other

idk i never watched that show

this is in response to SAD asking about the counter-alignment to the turtles in a clever way, nahdia avoids commentary completely, which I find odd, why not speculate about what embodiment the evils in this astral plane take on? harmless enough, unless you're scum and feel put on the spot to NOT THINK OF WHAT YOU ARE and think of something else that could be viable

obviously not saying nahdia is scum because of this, just, pointing out little things as I do my gothrough

they are already adding up is all and then the series

[drealmerz7]

My biggest problem with Nahdia is from what I've seen her townplay she plays p... hmm what's the word? Confident? Blunt? Just more of "matter-of-fact" style. Like "X is doing this" "Y is town" "Z is scum". Here she seems to be waffly queen.

I think getting sucked into that sort of meta read with a player of nahdia's level is a bad idea

look at these few posts from a game she replaced into a scumslot (maybe that affects the meta?) and transcend is her buddy here - tone of all of those posts sound exactly like you're describing to me unless I'm misunderstanding

[drealmerz7]

except lynching scum, right?

[drealmerz7]

Your first post was intentionally vague and I'd contend you wanted someone to speak to it.

It was intended to be profound / philosophical type - I didn't care to have anyone speak to it and it wasn't a soft.

I'd be interested to know why drealmerz and SAD have immediate negative reactions to it. SAD in particular is not rubbing me the right way as this is the third player he has shown antagonism toward in a very short period of time.

I have a little experience with nacho and I am much more inclined to think he made it up than not. Last game I was with him in he fakeclaimed something like a ticking-bomb in his first post to setup a D3 (or was it 4?) lynch on himself saying if we didn't kill him before that we were in trouble sort of shit (he was jester.) details are shakey, ask him for more

plus he missed a rolled R in both of his posts up to this point and there haven't been any apparent penalties. I think nacho just gets a little bored in games and likes to create elements of his own to keep him going, a new postrestriction each Day allows him that sort of freedom - I do think he'd do it as either alignment, but would be more inclined to think he'd do it as scum, especially since he's been rolling scum a LOT and if he got scum this game he probably needs another element to keep his charisma and enthusiasm up and something like that would do it.

Weren't you the person that said you HATED role talk on D1?

yes, I was talking about alignment, presumably (as in I presume an alternate reptile or somesuch is the other alignment)

I get the sense that either Dunn/Nahdia are scum partners or that just one of them is scum. Something is not sitting right re: their interactions with one another. Both players appear very awkward when speaking about the other. Either because they are partners or because one of them is scum and is unsure how to best position themselves given the spotlight that has been trained on them. I'd encourage others to read over these last few posts and see if you get the same notions or if I'm just suffering from confirmation bias when I connect Dunn to Nahdia.

283 in particular just throws up all sorts of red flags.

I'm right with this view. infinity is getting into that mix as well a bit

Because I think there's a lot of value in wagons early on

This is horrible because:

wagons only have value EVER (early, late, noon) if they have meaning in the votes cast on them
empty vote is empty and is counterproductive / doesn't help anything

already a few slight scumpings from infinity and this pops hardest yet on the pingbar

Second- I need a townbloc.

how about some townreads before you try to form a townbloc?
or how about never form a townbloc because they are senseless and hurtful to our goal

Fourth- back to

spyrex

.
I just ISO'd him.. and I swear to you all..Town-Spyrex has not shown his face in this game.
@Spyrex- I am willing to give you a pass cuz it was the holidays. I was flaky af too.. but if you wanna join my townbloc you have some work to do.

I think I have 1 completed game with spyrex and he was town and was playing exactly like he is playing here

camntuki/Mollie/RedCoyote/

Nacho/Nahdia

This is terrible.

agree

Scum get nervous when shit gets real. Lets hang him.

^ this is a scumpost ^ - dictating a narrative of what scum do and pushing it as absolute, which it is not at all

Sitting at L-1 on Day 1 shows the town who you really are.
And I wanna know who he really is.

only if the votes have weight

so, let's presume he's at L-1 - what do you expect town-him to show you?, what do you expect scum-him to show you?

Vote: drrrrrealmerrrrrrz7

*bats eyelashes*

you think I'm pretty?!

@Spy:

What's your take on this dreamer fellow?

I have a slight scumlean on zito and then this comes up and, with how I play and am used to being, on the majority, read by strangers, I kind of read this is "is he some LHF I could go after?" - I play paranoid

Spyrex wagon seems very orthogonal to the lynches that seem more reasonable to me (namely Dunn-Zito-Nahdia axis).

agree on all points including axis - why not infinity in that group? not a scumlean?

How reliable is the spyrex meta thing?

not (of course that doesn't mean he's not scum...)

WE'RE BACKKK

HAVENT READ GAME BUT WE'D BE FINE WITH A KAGAMI LOLWAGON

?

yes you have? you've made comments appearing as such...what is this?

I literally begged Fate not to allow hydras.

it's 1 slot

it gets 1 read

don't play otherwise

anything else and it can die and I will be pushing for its death REALLY FUCKING HARD

ive decided dunnstral is town again.

ehhh, yeah this nahdia/dunnstral stuff is REALLY odd as it persists

what is nahdia's level of play? I have no idea actually we were in 1 game and she replaced out.

I don't entirely know but I got buddied really hard by hard recently in a game where she was scum and I am not usually that gullible, I was impressed and I see potential for skill there that would make such a comment foolish
oh there was also a game she just finished modding and in the dead thread there was talk about a comment made in game how "scum would never do that" because it's too ballsy/risky or whatever - I didn't really think so and found it a valid good tactical scum-move and said it's one I'd make, nahdia agreed, so I wouldn't underestimate, that is for sure

never underestimate

... i don't see you doing much more than that. to put it another way, i think your ISO looks like a series of posturing & pivoting and not actually scumhunting.

first nahdia post I've liked

I figured the answer would be evident.

Can I? Yes. Will I? Probably not, unless you can convince me of a read to push with conviction. Which would also require you to convince me you're town, in all likelihood. I don't buy into an delusions that I have a good idea of the game state. Rarely do I push hard on anything on day 1. So like I said; I don't particularly care which way the wind blows for now. I'll give my opinions, and people shall do as they will. I'm not going to urge people to join me until I have some measure of confidence in what I'm pushing.

so bunches of tiny little weirdnesses from nahdia that I don't know how to read so I get small scumpings from them but then there's that last bit about millie and now this and I'm getting a strong townping from this

nacho, man, I wanted to move my vote off of you by the time I was caught up but, you're less here than I am - what's the dealyo?

[drealmerz7]

no, actually that is how you play mafia

fucking arrogance with so many of you like "I KNOW WHO SCUM IS BECAUSE DUHHDUHHH" - no, you fucking don't, unless you're scum or had a N0 cop result that you know isn't a lie

interact, discuss things, form reads that grow

presuming to discover them with such confidence is foolish and unnecessary (and hurtful to the cause)

you don't solve the game D1

I know, you read this and are like "well duh of course"

well then fucking play like it

worry less about votes and more about finding scum

[drealmerz7]

also- anyone wanna take odds on nacho and dreamerz being scum together?

oh, nacho, where you at?!

*tickletickle*

[drealmerz7]

btw those odds would pay off like BOOOOM if it were true (cause we were scum together just in november)

but seriously nacho is probably scum and he's broken and crying in a corner that he rolled scum for this game that's why he's not around

he's been rolling scum tons and with how this game is set he'd be way more in it

this is the strongest scum-lurk read I've ever had and it's early D1 so...yerp, no one's going to believe it probably

nacho, what can I do? come dance with me in the forest?

[drealmerz7]

why/how do you say that with such confidence, nahdia?

[drealmerz7]

man I need to know pronto:

is it SPEER -ex

or

SPY -rex

or something else?

[drealmerz7]

quit pairing me with nacho

it's just because I'm the only one calling him out and proking at him, you realize

and camn, you get my vote!!!

UNVOTE: nachomamma8
VOTE: camntsuki

you say I'm confused about a great number of things, but what you say I am right about, isn't actually what I said, that is you twisting a scumgenda via me

I did not say lurkernacho = scumnacho, that is a generalized simplified stance, and not one that I hold at all nor would ever agree to having said

[drealmerz7]

in fact, it's flatout false

[drealmerz7]

^^^ total scum, folks ^^^

it's how I catch them, please vote there

[drealmerz7]

OHWAHAHHHHH THEY'RE VOTING ME IT HURTS *impression of mollie*

[drealmerz7]

*watches nahdia give mafia lesson to player whose account is older than I've been playing mafia and am baffled at how that pirate mollie is so clueless - and figure they must be scum*

[drealmerz7]

yes, that is also possible

the game is getting interesting

keep on talking!

[drealmerz7]

*watches nahdia give mafia lesson to player whose account is older than I've been playing mafia and am baffled at how that pirate mollie is so clueless - and figure they must be scum*

I am pretty sure I asked you a question do you think you cld answer it

I went back and looked and must be missing it, yes I'd be most likely glad to answer.

Do you think you could type in full words and punctuation? this is a game based heavily on communication and yours could use improvement -

it's amazing really - spyrex, at least most of the time, no problem comprehending him as I read his jibberings

piratemollie's is a clusterfuck and I have a hard time just reading what she's saying, I have to read that shit at half speed and then it's kind of 'muhhhhh' anyway, phewww

[drealmerz7]

okay yeah I will blend in and not play the game

I will try to blend into exactly what other pple are doing

you and nacho need to come forth with your reads cos you are voting each other and this looks like you are preparing for a dl luraderp lynch which is what is going on.

??

what was your question that I missed?

...I'm not voting nacho...

and you don't get to demand who does what - I gave my reads, it was a big long catchup post, that's about what I have for you (that's the General Yu) now besides this current back and forth

yeeesh!

[drealmerz7]

Moly

I know why SAD is on another plane


oooooohhhh, DMITRI?!

are you around, dmitri?

[drealmerz7]

ohshit is nacho going to be grumbles at me for not giving him at D1 bropass?

):

[drealmerz7]

I'ma go ahead and put it out there and tell you all what I really think, because, hey, I'm town and I tell the Truth in this Astral Plane:

I would think nacho would have mmmm....not as much respect I'll say, for those who would give him any sort of pass if they legit. think he's scum.

come at him

come at him hard

[drealmerz7]

though, fuck, if he's scum it's just so demoralizing and I feel bad, but,

if he's scum this game, the energies are truly tell him something and he needs to figure out what that is

this is the game for it, nacho, if it's true

I am here for you

[drealmerz7]

yeah well, he's just a lurker with a probably fakeclaimed PR at this point, still, on the face
other ppls make much more sense

it's D1

so it's not a bropass, he's just, not on the table because he hasn't shown us his meat yet

SHOW ME YOUR MEAT, NACHO!!!

[drealmerz7]

so papa zito is your scumbuddy, SAD?

[drealmerz7]

Spoiler: because cupcakes are

BAKED BY THE DEVIL

[drealmerz7]

Spoiler: because cupcakes are

BAKED BY THE DEVIL

ur face was baked by the devil

I actually just noticed that you have a cupcake in your avatar in this ^#476 post

it's a sign, for sure

[drealmerz7]

I didn't know wtf cupcakes was about until just that point

spooky

[drealmerz7]

ohfuckyes

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p.s. One of your posts was posted in violet which mod should modkill for for the lols.

do what you like, if it's distracting or obnoxious or gets in the way of play that is your problem to deal with, as is me and mine

my intention certainly isn't to be annoying, yours definitely seems to be (though I think it is pretty and don't find it obnoxious at all, so, keep it up if you like, it doesn't bother me)

oh I am voting you, because you're obviously scum at this point

also, please read the rules, eh?

[drealmerz7]

If you feel this way about nacho why the hell did you unvote him?

because I no longer wanted to be voting him

OMFG STOP WITH THE PM TALKING WHAT THE FUCK KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[drealmerz7]

ya, she knows I'm a good defender if I'm in her corner

but seriously I'm about 10 pages behind and they aren't getting read until tomorrow

from my quick skimmings nacho is very likely scum though

I'm not actually overloaded I've had other things going on that have reduced my mafia time and energy

I'll be with you all as soon as I get like, maybe, 1 good night's rest, which I've probably not had in about 2 weeks (and the 1 before that was probably a month and a half, and then 1 before that 3 months prior to that...soooo....)

I'm hoping that I get one tonight - 1 cat is in heat but I'm about to make a huge steak and feed her a bunch and so we can both sleep hard for a while

[drealmerz7]

[quote="In post 950, pirate molliethere is not soul in nacho's posts. none nada zero.[/quote]
it is because he drew scum again, for this game, he hurts him, I'm sure
his vote on me is a cry out for help to get him lynched

if others are willing, I am willing to show him mercy

[drealmerz7]

again, nacho, reach deep into your soul and search for meaning

[drealmerz7]

(in why you drew scum again)

[drealmerz7]

yeah, that is best

UNVOTE: camntusiki
VOTE: nachomamma8

[drealmerz7]

no worries, nacho, mercy is soon upon you

[drealmerz7]

hey look, a little heat warmed up the nachos!!! now the cheese begins its ooze

as it must, it can't just sit there and congeal into a solidified mass, we'd toss it out for sure, and that is anti-wincon for scummy nachos and he wouldn't do that

haven't had a lot of time to give fullwall replies, I'll get to that later for sure!!!

ohnacho, "I haven't had time to post" excuses, lovely scumscuses I'm sure he's having a harder and harder time making sound genuine

for the record my first exposure to nacho was in a game I modded and he drew scum and by the end of the game was out of passion from already getting scum so much and that ended a couple months ago at least at this point...and then he got it again (we were scums together), and he rallied a good fight and won us the game, but, I'm sure it took every last bit of scumness out of him at that point, as even then (in both of the games), he was giving the same excuses (which I knew wasn't true in both from what he'd said), and I know he's drawn scum simultaneously elsewhere, and, it's just so demoralizing and hard for him

I can tell it, and it's here, and unfortunate, and I feel for him :\

*strongest scum-lurker read in my short mafia life

[drealmerz7]

well he's your buddy you have to say that

[drealmerz7]

post #16 in that PT shows I already had foreknowledge of nacho having issues drawing scum

it was talked about extensively, somewhere, probably post-game oakwood and post-game smurfia

I'm done going over it I think my point is clear:

nacho's heart was weakened by so much scum, and that continues, and I'm quite sure that is the nacho I'm reading here

[drealmerz7]

post #16 in that PT shows I already had foreknowledge of nacho having issues drawing scum

Notice how you assumed I had issues drrrawing scum; I neverrr mentioned that I was demorrralized by drrrawing scum and prrrretty obviously had a prrrretty good time as scum in that game.

nah it's not an assumption it's knowledge based on discussion that was had, somewhere...

actually probably in-game thread

you being like "see I am active and I wouldn't be being active if I drew scum because I'm demoralized drawing scum"

hell maybe that was just in yogs' game too you said something similar? I'm not bothered to look :\

[drealmerz7]

D1 is my weakest Day

imagine that

[drealmerz7]

most people who aren't used to me are generally happy with my D1 lynch

I'm a D1 ML specialty, apparently, it happens a lot

I would prefer if you all stayed away, sometimes it gets ugly when I get pressured on D1 as town - I get ragey and flippant...it's not cool, plus I'm town

[drealmerz7]

this game has too many scummy people in it and this is coming from someone who is used to SRing 90% of the playerlist through D1

@spyr nahdia and RC - check and see if you are comfortable to join on nacho at this point?

I can do camntsuki (still, that's never changed) at this point too, but have a stronger read on nacho (made stronger because of the familiarity where camntsuki is someones I've never played with before scumread)

[drealmerz7]

...

[drealmerz7]

yes PZ is quite scummy too but preference is to leave the 2ndary scumslots another day and go for a primary

there are so many 2ndaries and for D1 I get REALLY uncomfortable when I get more comfortable with more than 3 MAYYYBE 4 lynches - and for this PL, 3 is too many already, it's very disconcerting

and when that happens I rather just stick to my premium comforts - they're on a different level and in experience it proves wise to not step down on D1 from that standard

[drealmerz7]

when's the last time anyone here played a completed game with nacho?

[drealmerz7]

How about zito

also you're more scummy than zito in that 2ndary tier

you're in my 3rd slot and almost push into the primary tier for me

but camn and nacho are still better

[drealmerz7]

spyr is probably the only 1 who could talk me into zito but I think he will wise-up once he sees PZ is voting with him on camn, unless you see something else, spyrsquid?

[drealmerz7]

thanks for your assistance

no, I'm not bad, not great either, and I make mistakes

[drealmerz7]

that is where things were looking off for me too so now that that's straight infinity can go ahead and bump up to that 1st tier but I still prefer camn or nacho by a decent enough margin

[drealmerz7]

and how do you feel that compares to here? aside from the fucked part

the investment, his demeanor

[drealmerz7]

pretty sure not half

but possible we're in a 9v2v2 or even an 8v2v2v1

call me crazy if you must, that is generally what happens when I setup spec

[drealmerz7]

that single I'd think would be NS not SK

[drealmerz7]

staeg doesn't look town to me at all

RC looks like town who did his D1 townness and the game has staled alittle is all

I will effort to post actual content today or tomorrow

[drealmerz7]

I didn't claim shit you just keep saying I did

[drealmerz7]

is that fishing or are you derp?

[drealmerz7]

eh it's just setup spec, it doesn't matter to me if it is or not at this point, I was merely commenting on the amount of scumness I am seeing, and I generally see a lot on D1

what matters is lynching most likely scum

camn, nacho

[drealmerz7]

I'm re-reading the entire thread and catching up on everything and taking notes and doing the thoroughs as this game deserves you'll have multiple WOTs from me by the end of the day - barring life drama

[drealmerz7]

The Master came upon Flower Mountain with his apprentices.
Here was a place to cultivate with the Wind!
Only those with a purity of heart and an intent set on cultivation may climb this mountain.

Many think anyone with strength came climb mountains.

"Only those who have already climbed mountains may set foot on one."

Vote Count

Nachomamma8

(2): Dunnstral, pirate mollie

camntsuki

(1): SpyreX

drealmerz7

(1): Nachomamma8

Papa Zito

(0):

Infinity 324

(2): camntsuki, Staeg

Not Voting

(0): drealmerz7, Nahdia, Papa Zito, Infinity 324, Kagami

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[drealmerz7]

I'm trying to figure the best course of action while poring over the game and typing out a lot of things in different windows and things

don't worry, I'll make your eyes bleed soon enough

in the meantime, I wanted to give you all an official votecount

[drealmerz7]

nah I just haven't invested the energy properly

I'm in the process of refocusing the energies and channeling properly for this game so it may all go the right way

I am not trying to block any sort of path to Truth at all, but doing correctly takes time and my energy and focus has been low through the day (lower than I would have liked, certainly) - but I am dedicated, and you will have me, do not doubt, or fear

[drealmerz7]

those who pretend to judge without even seeming to try to understand are the deviants - it is obvious

but I will elaborate more, you can be sure

[drealmerz7]

the only fear is here what you are mongering

[drealmerz7]

oh, nacho,

you are like a giant metal tank, blasting huge mortars at me over and over

but I am a quick-frog - 2 hops this way and you miss completely - 2 hops another way

"and where did he go? damnit! I can't see him! blast some more!"

[drealmerz7]

I have a shitload for you all

it's still not organized how I'd like

I have to go to work soon and focus on other things atm before that and am stopping work on this game

do NOT let fear overtake you

Trust

there is Time

[drealmerz7]

is it okay if I just VOTE: infinity and say spyrex is totally town and dunn is likely scum and camn and staeg and nacho and nahdia too and then meditate on things another couple days?

cool, thanks

[drealmerz7]

hakoona matata

[drealmerz7]

elaborate as to why you think that is unlikely

[drealmerz7]

elaborate, whynot

[drealmerz7]

yep, no empty words here, just more delays than I anticipated - thanks for your patience (all)

I just had a nice long nap and am energized and it'll be post-worthy (probably multiple posts to keep it easier to get through) tonight

[drealmerz7]

I play different games in different ways. This game is a different beast. Don't judge. I'm actually being pro-town.

patience

[drealmerz7]

would you prefer the short version mollie?

[drealmerz7]

I'm going over my D1 recap now and will post it before going back over the D2 stuff and then posting it, but, there are a couple things I could say now I think that would be okay to say but may be better in fuller context?

[drealmerz7]

meh, no, it's best to wait

that has been part of the delay - I'm in a bit of a difficult decision and have been going back and forth on what is best to say

[drealmerz7]

kagami my post is probably going to (hopefully) change some things for you, I was hoping to get it out last night, but, yes, I'm a slacker at this point

I just did a preview of my 1st submission and skimmed some of what you said - it would have been better if I'd gotten in before you, I apologize

it's coming it's coming it's coming (yeahyeah)

[drealmerz7]

Now that you're all finally tapped out, I can begin (kagami aside who is totally fine and obvitown.) I waited and waited until there was nothing left for most of you to talk about because I felt otherwise I simply would not be believed and would get drawn into it all which is exactly what I did not want to happen (it started to happen at the beginning of the game and there was no preventing it...will get to that...) This way I'm able to not be a factor as much as it seemed I was becoming (and still am, sure, but, I think it'll make sense as we go through...)

Please bear with me. I have a lot notes and scattered thoughts and I will probably repeat things that I've said because I have cross-over notes and not sure what is fully where, I've done my best at trying to keep it coherent for you all.

Spoiler: it begins

The FIRST thing you all need to know and believe is that I have ABSOLUTELY NO SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE about ANYTHING game/mechanical related AT ALL as has been drawn to appear that I do. Absolutely not a thing. There were no "softs", I was not hinting at a single thing related to anything. ALL I ever did was use the flavor that was provided for ALL by Fate in the public game thread. I don't know anything about orb pieces or anything (other than what I've read from the rest of you.) I FUCKING HATE HAVING TO CLAIM THAT I DON'T HAVE AN ORB PIECE BECASE. But, there you go. You all fucking think I have one. I don't!!! If you are town you NEED TO ADJUST YOUR READS ACCORDINGLY RIGHT NOW!!! Seriously. Look:

...
“The day that you find this orb you will no longer be

seekers

. I wonder if you will be able to face that fear.

I wonder if you will have the courage to stare into where the True orb resides….”

seek

find

question (seek)

I took that from flavor and made a post to sound philosophical/profound because I treat a lot of mafia games like we are on a quest for Truth together. This just all fits and is how I was approaching the game to start, getting "into it." THIS IS THE TRUTH and you HAVE to believe me. Tell me what I need to do to convince you if you don't believe me.

IT HAS TO HAPPEN ALL FELLOW TOWNIES MUST BELIEVE THIS!

Spoiler: more "soft stuff"

The idea starts early and grows quickly in my head that dunnstral is simply trying to make it seem like I know something when I don't so he can use it to his advantage later, but I just don't know. I elaborate on that a little somewhere else.

I simply say this (spiritual realm/astral plane type stuff that I have basic knowledge of):

anyone know what ayahuasca is?

Nice soft

and he uses it to insist I'm softing - I don't even know what that is supposed to be a soft of!!!

I bet drealmerz thinks he's witty, clever, and secretive

But you're not. The rest of us know

exactly

what you're talking about. You know what you must do. As do I.

that comes after the Alex Grey paintingpic I post and say "we must combine our minds to see True". I picked that one because it is a joining of the minds to see clarity sort of picture (to put it very simply right now) - again, had I any conception that there's anything about actually joining orbs mechanics wise I would have never been saying anything like this. If there is orb combining stuff in the game, I bet Fate is having AFUCKING BLAST with all of this. But then, I think so is dunnstral, and it reads to me that he is manipulating it all to his purposes as far as I can see. He and nacho working together I think?

On top of that, a lot of people sure are talking about the thing you're not supposed to talk about.

staeg shows special knowledge as well - he's either scum with the shared knowledge or an individual with special knowledge - if town THIS IS WHY WHAT DUNN IS DOING WITH CLAIMING THE SOFTING (which is ALL him as I see it), drawing information out of others. I HATE IT. This is why I've been MIA. I just...I am in a really tough spot, not knowing what to do, who to trust, or anything. IT'S FUCKED. and it's dunnstral to blame. He should be lynched if not infinity, who is his "BUDDY" (which he called him multiple times I won't even get to that stuff in this post.)

for real though stop softing because we know what you're talking about

what?!?!? this came after this:

individuals would be wise to not leave their trash scattered about the plane

I'm talking about all the cluttering of the thread with pointless multiple string posts of small snippets is all, seriously.

then there's:

Infinity wagon is good but dunnstral votes are better.

To elaborate on this: dunny's play is inconsistent with information available to the town role he's softed.

gives me good feelings about staeg

Now, I since I don't know whether dunnstral is town or scum (I'm pretty sure scum), I'm going to go down both paths and see where they lead.

If he's town he's done a horrible thing, imo, thinking he knows best and trying to control the situation because of that- like he has some knowledge / a piece of the orb and wants to be in charge, and if that is the case I think it has gone HORRIBLY and scum has so much information because of him, he's almost a PL due to being so anti-town. Dunnstral has pulled me into something from the beginning of this game and it has been beyond my willpower/ability to stop it. I tried a couple times and quickly noticed that everything was starting to go how he wanted and so I completely disengaged because 1.) he is wrong about me and I can't seem to convince him or others otherwise and engaging it was likely to not go well or 2.) he's scum trying to draw me into his shit and make it seem like #1 and if that is the case I thought (still think) my best course of action was to disengage so he couldn't use me as a piece in whatever game he is playing.

On D1 he defends me and I find it SUPER SUPER odd, but I don't know what it is about at the time. Now with the outing of everything my read is he just wants to NK me and get the orb piece? I didn't die. Spyrex did something to SAD...I don't know. My brain is really all over the place because I don't KNOW what to think. All I know is that you all need to believe me and work withme to work through all of this to get it NO LONGER ASKEW. There is soooo much through the thread based on all of this. PM, I think you are ON IT and I trust you to do correctly with it all.

I think Nacho is scum, I think dunn is scum, they might be scum together or it might be multiball is more likely by the look of the associations going on. Dunn+Infinity+? Nacho+Kagami+?

I REALLY TRIED to stop things from the beginning by saying I WAS NOT SOFTING ANYTHING AND NEVER WOULD DO THAT!!! ANYONE who has meta with me (nacho, spyr, dunn, nahdia) MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT be able to attest to this for me? But I don't know, and obviously any of them could lie (total TR on spyr though he is totally town fucking all of you GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR - camnstuki seriously me too I played game with him recently completed wordplay mafia and I'm quite sure his slot is town here :\ let's just drop that now though?)

So this whole time I don't know what to do, so I've been letting it lay and watch where it goes and grows until it was seemingly OVER WITH. Thank you all for your patience.

I can address other stuff later but I think we should tackle this now? Should I talk about the nacho SR on me or wait? (I don't feel bullied by him at all, omg so many things...love you nacho, but you're scum, and I've been on you since the GO and you want to remove me! especially now since you think I may have an orb piece?)

EVERYONE! Ask me questions and let's get into it. I am here now and we are a GO for game-solving.

did a refresh and fine. I'll hit submit

[drealmerz7]

I often do WOTs, molly, on my HS, and they aren't taken so well because I have scattered thoughts and notes and repeat myself a lot and go in circles.

I wanted it to be clean and concise and "more professional." It was taking longer than I wanted.

[drealmerz7]

(kagami aside who is totally fine and obvitown.)

I think Nacho is scum, I think dunn is scum, they might be scum together or it might be multiball is more likely by the look of the associations going on. Dunn+Infinity+? Nacho+Kagami+?

how did you manage this in the space of a single post

scattered notes and thoughts and a rushed submission

I waffled a bit on kagami during my compiling, obviously

[drealmerz7]

Dreal, I don't really understand why you're freaking out so much. Whether dunn is town who thought you softed or scum who pretended to think you softed why is it such a big deal

now

? And how can you tell the difference?

I wouldn't say I'm freaking out. I was pissed when it started at the beginning of the game and I'm still perturbed by it is all. I hate when games go like this I'd have preferred orb stuff stayed hush until later I just think it gives scum an advantage and I think that is what scum would want and that points to dunn.

[drealmerz7]

if you had no orb and wanted to clear up any misconceptions from that

then why the fuck did you not say so when both dunn and kagami outed that they had an orb and passed it on?????

DID YOU READ MY FUCKING POST I JUST MADE?!?!?!?!

I TRIED STOPPING IT ON D1, NO ONE WOULD FUCKING LISTEN.

[drealmerz7]

by the time I read that it was days later!!

I DIDN'T KNOW THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION - I DIDN'T WANT TO BE HASTY

I DIDN'T WANT TO GET DRAWN BACK INTO THE SHIT THAT I TRIED TO STOP AT THE START OF D1 BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT SERVES TOWN TO TALK ABOUT ALL THAT SHIT

[drealmerz7]

Well ok, I do feel like it's very much in dunn's personality to do that kind of thing though.

yes and while he's not a terrible player that is HUGESHITQUALITY to how he plays that he needs to fucking correct

if he's town here it's really fucking upsetting horrrrrrrible townplay imo

[drealmerz7]

I waffled a bit on kagami during my compiling, obviously

Go ahead and walk us through this, because you only mention Kagami those two times

you want my read history/progression on the kagami slot? it will have to wait

[drealmerz7]

@ Dreal: So what did you make of mollie's suggestion that we claim all orbs and try to track them?

at this point it is the only course of action and I like her approach in that post very much (DO NOT DETRACT FROM SCUMHUNT)

[drealmerz7]

I DO think we could be fine to ignore them and just scumhunt, but I understand why not to/why people would want to not.

for me, my mindset is: keep killing scum and we'll end up with all of the orbs, so as long as I am able to do that, I'm good

if I see shady shit going on with the tracking, just the better way to scumhunt with

[drealmerz7]

you'll have to wait, that is
poor wording

you have to wait because I just don't feel like doing it right now? okay fine

I can give a general: they're definitely not obvtown to me and had I done a better re-read of my post I would have edited that to a townlean

had scumpings early in the game - thought scumlurker likely but no hard read because low-content, then there's the hood with molly and the stuff with dunn which had me thinking pretty strongly they were scum with dunn but then there was a post or 2 that sounded really strongly town (forget what? maybe in the orb-piece reveal?) and the latest catchup they had was pretty good - but, no, I'm pretty suspect of kagami actually and could be the source of the orb knowledge for dunn if dunn is scum

[drealmerz7]

I would townread the repeated "you have to believe me" statements, but it's just out of place in a catchup like that. It looks like scum trying to play to our emotional sides and look like frazzled town.

well if you're scum of course that's how you want it to look to everyone, but, it's not

if you're town what you could be 'feeling' is how the post was constructed (it wasn't all stream-of-thought, I jumped around and did parts of it at different times/redid parts of it a couple times)

[drealmerz7]

wtf are people trying to push the vote on staeg? that looks way fishy

infinity, zito, nacho, are the best options today from what I see

[drealmerz7]

what what, zito?

don't just think you're going to get a flashwagon on me with that on top of ppl's frustration with me?

[drealmerz7]

if you're town what you could be 'feeling' is how the post was constructed (it wasn't all stream-of-thought, I jumped around and did parts of it at different times/redid parts of it a couple times)

Well I can tell that much. But your post seems to be low in analysis and high in emotion, and I still don't see where the emotion is coming from from a town perspective.

What do you think about zito's claim?

yes it wasn't much of an analysis post I didn't claim it to be so? yes, high in emotion, because I was drawn into the orb shit and didn't want to be, that should be clear - where is the emotion coming from from a scum perspective then?

[drealmerz7]

because he drew information from others

discerning who had knowledge or who DIDN'T have knowledge (which is very valuable to PoE who DOES)

[drealmerz7]

by the time I read that it was days later!!

I DIDN'T KNOW THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION - I DIDN'T WANT TO BE HASTY

I DIDN'T WANT TO GET DRAWN BACK INTO THE SHIT THAT I TRIED TO STOP AT THE START OF D1 BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT SERVES TOWN TO TALK ABOUT ALL THAT SHIT

[drealmerz7]

if I had been there, it would have likely gone like this :

"I don't have an orb piece, I tried telling you yesterday I wasn't softing anything"

and dunn would have been like HE WAS THE ENTIRE D1 "yes you were softing you did it over and over" or whatever the fuck

[drealmerz7]

seriously, read D1 over

dunn just keeps putting it on me over and over, it's in my catchup that is crucial, even with the "scattering trash" shit, he tries to say I'm crumbing - any chance he got

[drealmerz7]

zito address your issue with me or shut up and quit scumming up the thread

[drealmerz7]

I get not wanting to be drawn into the orb thing, but

you could've said that so much earlier and so much simpler.

I don't see the town motivation for making such a big long post about that, and I was expecting more analysis for the catchup after such a long wait.

Sorry dude

VOTE: dreal

Hey look another wagon hop, must be scum

I FUCKING DID, SCUM

[drealmerz7]

zito, fucking stop, right the fuck now, and address me

what is your fucking issue, be straight

[drealmerz7]

because I didn't know about it until the reveals at the beginning of D2, which I didn't read until days after the fact

and then all it was going to be WAS THE SAME FUCKING SHIT I TRIED TO DO ON D1 WHICH WAS:

NOOOOOO, NOT SOFTING KNOWLEDGE OF ANYTHING

[drealmerz7]

zito, fucking stop, right the fuck now, and address me

what is your fucking issue, be straight

?????????????????????????????

What about 1461 and 62 do you not get?

YOUR POINT OBVIOUSLY

you're not being direct

what is your beeef????

[drealmerz7]

if you believe that I am town then why was dunn somehow scum moreso with our pt when I believe he is town

I don't quite get what you're asking me.

if I think you're town why don't I think dunn is town since you're TRing him??? because I think you're likely wrong??

or am I missing something?

[drealmerz7]

"convinced enough" is only true if he is town, otherwise it is an act

if he's scum, what he really wants is to lynch someone he thinks has an orb, and setup a NK on somenoe else he thinks has an orb - how do you (that's General Yu) do that? you do exactly what dunn did! also it is smart for scum to setup a hard TR (especially if they can get a bunch of people to believe it) on a player and then NK them "oh yep, scum NKed the widely TR person, of course" - and then you WIFOM clear yourself - I'm just theorizing, I'm not saying THIS IS HOW IT IS, I don't fucking know

I do know that I prefer a nacho or infinity lynch today, or zito - and I don't know why my suspicions of dunn being scum mean I have to want to lynch him today - it's not that secure at all

[drealmerz7]

they don't clearly come from a towny mindest AT ALL, imo

[drealmerz7]

I'm only talking about dunn because OTHERS ARE

wtf, CAN'T YOU READ THE FUCKING THREAD???!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

I asked if I should talk about NACHO

and OTHERS are talking about the dunn stuff

WTF

[drealmerz7]

you mean to tell me you hadn't read any of it? pretty sure you were around.

nope, hadn't READ IT

WHAT IS SO FUCKING HARD TO COMPREHEND

seriously getting pissed off at the stupidss

[drealmerz7]

PM, step the fuck off, okay?

if you're town, you REALLY need to step the fuck off

[drealmerz7]

try to understand or go the fuck away

[drealmerz7]

again, you are unhappy with my entry

fine

what would you like from me? specifically

[drealmerz7]

ask me questions, try to work with me

if you come attacking at me you are going to get so much fucking rage...

[drealmerz7]

I am town

you MUST appreciate the position I was in

if you are not going to even consider that

you are going to feel my fucking wrath

[drealmerz7]

1.) Why am I on your lynch list when you didn't talk about me at all?

2.) Why don't you want to lynch Dunn if you think he's scum?


3.) IF HE THOUGHT YOU HAD AN ORB FROM YOUR PERCEIVED SOFTCLAIMS AND HE WANTS TO LYNCH PEOPLE WITH AN ORB WHY WAS HE DEFENDING YOU SO HARD?????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!??????????????????????????????

1.) because I don't fully believe you and your lynch yesterday was fishy as fuck and it will help sort a lot - you are a scumlean to me and I'm comfortable lynching you.

2.) because I'm not wholly sure at all and the cons outweigh the pros to accidentally MLing him if he's town.

3.) explained in 1479 I think?

[drealmerz7]

I have been saying this entire time what I wanted from you. if you hadn't read the game then why did you put it off? I mean...I am sure you cld have made the time instead crouching in a corner waiting to see where town wld go.

I'm sure I could have made the time too but I didn't feel like posting anyway given how things went D1 and so I kept putting it off and reading piecemeal and skimming and wanting to be more thorough when I had the time focus and energy.
I wanted to do the game right and got off to a bad start (it's hard for me to stay with a game when I'm not posting engaged.)

and then I realized at apoint it was going to go back to the same shit (I DIDN'T FUCKING CRUMB) and I just didn't know what to do so I sat on it. I'm honestly hating dunn if he's town.

[drealmerz7]

his shit took me out of the game

I was all about it from the get-go

and all he fucking says over and over about anything I say "nice crumb"

I fucking hate it

[drealmerz7]

good lord almighty

actually post a response of content or SHUT THE FUCK UP

[drealmerz7]

seriously

anyone who is town

you NEED to appreciate

SOOOO FUCKING FRUSTRATING being in the position I was put in

look over it

UNDERSTAND

and work with me, or shut the fuck up or I am going to call you scumnames

[drealmerz7]

I think you're just in a serious scumflail meltdown mode.

well I don't give a fuck what you think if that is how you express it

go do something else with your time and let us figure shit out, thanks

[drealmerz7]

fuck you, I am really upset spyr left

[drealmerz7]

Can we lynch this please.

why? because I'm not nice and cuddly to stupid shit?

[drealmerz7]

this is me towntelling all over the fucking place btw

I don't scumflail

I townflail when I'm pissed at stupidity

[drealmerz7]

which is more or less how the shards of the shikon jewel worked in inu yasha.

oh good, dunn is here

*stabs in the fucking throat with a nailfile*


ahhhhhhhhhhhh that feels better

[drealmerz7]

and spyr targeted SAD with something that he doesn't think killed him so I'm wondering if redirecting happened or what

[drealmerz7]

or I'm wrong

or they decided to do something else (maybe figuring finally that I didn't have a piece?)

I don't know, I'm just theorizing to try and help figure shit out

[drealmerz7]

thoughts go back and forth a lot around what is going on

[drealmerz7]

DUDE, IT WASN'T A FUCKING SOFT

WHAT THE FUCK DO I NEED TO DO TO CONVINCE YOU?!?!>?!>!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

it's IN THE FLAVOR

and I thought I was BEING CLEVER

guess what

APPARENTLY I'M PRETTY FUCKING SMART

[drealmerz7]

again, not prepared for a fate game I guess, where the flavor means something, eh?

which is great, and I am a bit pissed at myself (and the rest of you) for not saying frmo the get-go "hey, flavor has mechanics involved"

but then I guess that is what you all thought I was doing and was aware!!!! BUT NO!!!

seriously

[drealmerz7]

But if I'm scum who already knew all about the orbs, how is me telling town about it what's scummy about me?

Your own thinking doesn't make sense

because you told after the fact, after you accumulated enough information to lay it out how you wanted because of the knowledge you have - and you talking about the softs just allowed you to fish for more information, who is likely to have a piece, who isn't so you can plan out what to do

it's just a theory but it has to be something I have to keep in mind

and you have understand how I feel about you insisting on me being town seemed weird AT THE TIME (when I had no knowledge), and insisting I was softing something I had no idea what you're talking about - I felt and feel like a pawn, unable to move of my own accord and forced into this crumbing thing

you wouldn't believe me D1 - you've GOT TO KNOW, from NOW ONE, FOREVER, I am AGAINST that sort of shit SO BLATANT on D1, I will NEVER do something like that

I will crumb a role SOOO FUCKING SMALL it is likely to be missed by everyone, maybe, once ina great while, IF IT SERVES ME/TOWN/MY WINCON TO DO SO.

Talking about having an orb-piece? NOOO FUCKING WAY.

anyway, a large part of me thinks you're town, but I have REALLY BAD FEELS about you still because of how you have been to me

[drealmerz7]

seriously, read D1 over

dunn just keeps putting it on me over and over, it's in my catchup that is crucial, even with the "scattering trash" shit, he tries to say I'm crumbing - any chance he got

1.) Because you looked like you obviously were?

2.) I mean, don't deny it now that you have the information. You seem to think I'd have super secret info as scum that you didn't have the fragment

1.) ONLY TO THOSE WITH KNOWLEDGE!!! Can't it cross your mind that if I FUCKING TELL YOU I'M NOT SOFTING ANYTHING, that MAYBE I'M NOT SOFTING ANYTHING?!?!?! whyyyyyy keep insisting? why not just talk about it THEN...why WAIT LIKE YOU DID?!?!?!

2.) NO FUCKING WAY!!! and I can say this BECAUSE I KNOW I DID IT WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE JUST FROM THE FLAVOR IN THE OP!!!!! It should have been easy for you to say "oh, I see how someone without the actual knowledge could pick up on the things" AT LEAST (even if I didn't KNOW I was picking up on the things) - and NOOO, not thinking AT ALL you have supersecret info as scum that I didn't have the fragment, where does THAT come from??!?!?

[drealmerz7]

wait is there actually something suggesting there was a redirector on SAD

let me find the spyr post???

I was expecting more about it after he said something and then no one said anything/asked and there was no follow-up I think

DESPERADO, checkin with this would be good

[drealmerz7]

that's not even me derping

that is how I play theme games that I "get into"

I take the flavor, and do what I think goes right with it

BOOM

[drealmerz7]

the 1 game I have modded was a super-heavy theme game and flavor FUCKING MATTERED OMG

[drealmerz7]

what's malicious is not dropping

you kept bringing it up

pointing it out

if you thought I was softing sometthing, I think you should have kept quiet about it and not "outted" it, to me THAT is scumplay, it is fishing for knowledge, who is likely to have a piece, who is likely to not

[drealmerz7]

doesn't matter

if you're scum all you want is to make sure you kill who does have them - yes it becomes a wifom game of guessing where they are, but, as scum, it's better to have the base knowledge and work from there, imo

[drealmerz7]

yes

why would you think they wouldn't?

[drealmerz7]

you do all realize that I want to lynch nacho and infinity more than anyone, right?

[drealmerz7]

I also have a tiny confusion point I'll bring up

I targetted sad last night. While I'm fairly sure my bonkers results were a function of him dying and not me somehow killing him, i cant rule that out 100% yet

[drealmerz7]

I'm tired so I'm not explaining myself well
If the idea is nacho scum a.)knows about the fragments and b.)wants said fragments and that is why he suspected that grouping then why not kill in thar group. Cause even if you guys could shuffle that wouldn't mean you would.

This is all predicated on me not somehow killing sad mind you

[drealmerz7]

why does infinity have to have done something TO ME for me to think they're scum

I've had scum on that slot since early D1 and still do

[drealmerz7]

when I saw it earlier you had me on nacho

that was the inaccurate placeholder vc - now who's not reading posts!?

[drealmerz7]

PM, that is me playing fun with you ^^

[drealmerz7]

those aren't funny eyebrows or wahtever that's me pointing up ^^^

[drealmerz7]

yes

why would you think they wouldn't?

Because it would be antithetical to their goal and people interpret hydra dissonance as scummy by default so there needs to be a good reason for it.

nah not in my experience, they just get free pass as scum most of the time

[drealmerz7]

Right sure, but a quick iso of yours shows one quoted post of infinity's and some vague scumpings. Also I'm voting him. But I also want to vote you.

Dreal this is 4 u.

I saw it, not sure what you want from me

I guess a more in depth read on infinity from me? there's soo much through the game now, just mostly scumpings in practically every post I can try and be more thorough if you really want but meh

[drealmerz7]

I have like 300 tabs open of varying quotes from the game with some comments written on some of them

let me go through and see what I've got

[drealmerz7]

What a wonderful scumclaim

can you tell me about this, dunn? why is that a scumclaim? does this even matter now?

[drealmerz7]

Since most of d1

And what if scum!dreal doesn't have the orb but knows about it and is crumbing it to throw people off or to look town?

this feels like probably scum trying to plant ideas in ppls minds (a lot of infinity's posts strike me as that)

[drealmerz7]

I believe dunn's story too. it makes sense wrt dreamz play.

also dunn and I are on the same page wrt nacho but apparently for different reasons.

going through the tabs I have stuff like this ^

it's these things that make me go paranoid about dunn - ppl are buying into all of what dunn is selling because I am backing it up...GAH...when I wasn't!

The heck? Nobodies posted in over a day and so I forgot about this game

My scumread on nacho exists without the orb thing, but I'm seeing that I could be wrong even if he's scum

At the same time, I'm not sure if I still want to vote him today

For the theory that scum have 1 fragment, I don't know? I mean I guess all town could start with it, but I just thought it was likely that scum would have 1 to know what's going on. Now that I think of it,

maybe

all town would start with it. Maybe 3 town and a third party. Drealmerz is being pretty bad right now

oof saw this, it strikes me as OFF, fake theorizing like he's pretending to theorize when he actually knows more than he's letting on

[drealmerz7]

Why PZ is town: because scum lynchproof and/or 1-shot lynchproof sounds crazy overpowered that not even Fate would torture us with.

oh hey I was just scum in a game and scum-buddy had 1xlynchproof

[drealmerz7]

My theory is that scum started with at least 1 fragment so they'd know what's going on

strikes me off totally

oh wait, I'm looking for infinity stuff

[drealmerz7]

multiball is quite likely

ohya?

[drealmerz7]

Why do you guys think multi ball is likely, out of curiosity

I get the feeling there's a rather large amount of town power roles

fishing fishy

[drealmerz7]

That just means role madness. Are you writing drealz off as town because he claimed something in this pt you seem to have?

kagami fishing

[drealmerz7]

I think role madness means the game is more likely to be multiball but doesn't necessarily mean multiball

[drealmerz7]

Tbf when someone says "quite likely" in mafia it means someone is p sure of it.

Because no one is 100% sure of anything in mafia unless you're scum.

[drealmerz7]

Wait it fits into the plan of Nahdia whiteknighting dreamz so she gains credit when dreamz flips town okay cool beans.

Either way dreamz is town.

haha I still have this pulled up, cool

!

[drealmerz7]

Kagami I think you and mollie have personality differences that make you scumread her. You should ask her about the benefit thing if you haven't (Because I asked and she explained it)

Same to you mollie, I don't think Kagami's suspicion is throwing shade; she's being pretty reasonable and also I've become pretty sure she's town after having played with her once before

sounds like trying to keep the peace between a scumbuddy and a strong towny

[drealmerz7]

mollie plz

why are you asking me this after dismissing the softing from dreamz?

my role tells me so and no you are not gonna get more than that

the rolefishing is obnoxious especiallysince I will role claim faster than superman can catch a bullet. why? cos when town are walking in different directions and I am not sure who are on my team I simply don't care.

dreamz throwing shade on me came out of nowhere so either I am dealing with an alt or I am dealing with some1 who is getting inside info from another source

like I didn't really didn't notice it at first cos shade is shade but he is not in my happy pile and I wish pple wld look at his iso instead of listening to your "IMA NOT GONNA LET DREAMZERS GET LYNCHED"

I want to close these fucking windows but hey look at this

[drealmerz7]

And then magically naking sad the leader gee golly gosh how could i

Changing the subject

Though I think calling my vote on SAD scummy is shallow thinking, I can sorta see why you say that. The camn vote, not at all.

@Mollie Can you engage me on something? I'm having a little it of a hard time getting into this game and I think some interaction could maybe help me. Then hopefully I'll be able to obvtown for you

this seems fake as fuck

[drealmerz7]

@RC My vote on SAD was not naked, I quoted the post I did because it felt fake and that led me to vote SAD. That and a combination of the other stuff he's doing not seeming particularly town.

sad doesn't seem particularly town? stuff? uhhh, no

[drealmerz7]

I'd rather vote for someone actually scummy at this point. Now the question is who that is...

I see a lot of posts like this trying to figure out who is thinking what and "which way the winds are blowing" so he can figure out what reads to express so the votes he places on whoever in the future can be legitimized

just seems to be lynch fishing "who we gonna get, just point me in the direction and I'm there!"

[drealmerz7]

because they're open and I wanted to comment on them and I want to close them

mlemmlehm

[drealmerz7]

we're lynching infinity

[drealmerz7]

UGH!!! dude

I thought the 1st quote there was rhetorical

I don't know if there is a difference, there is a difference if they're scum and it's fake like I think it is - I'm not sure what you're asking me?!

the SAD quotes were just tabs I'd had opened for a while and I liked what he said I guess

again, I was just clicking submit on some things

[drealmerz7]

I'd ask you why you want to lynch infinity but I'm afraid.

overwhelming scumness throughout the game!

[drealmerz7]

By the way, there's no reason items passing on should happen after a kill, looking at the way action resolution works. It's definitely before a kill

I don't know, I'd kind of think that it makes sense that if somenoe with an orb is targeted for a kill, they don't get to pass it off, because they were 'GOT'

[drealmerz7]

you can NOT make that assumption for this game

[drealmerz7]

well you can, but you shouldn't

[drealmerz7]

scum also gets to map out "who trusts who and who is likely to pass to who" once the information starts to accumulate

all I'm saying is, be wary of dunnstral going forward, he could be scumplanner

[drealmerz7]

"please stop the guy from positing possible correct theories or at least things that are good to keep in mind/consider!"

[drealmerz7]

no, I'm playing the game

communicating thoughts and putting them on the table to be discussed if others find validity to them or to come back to at some point if needed

[drealmerz7]

EXCEPT I FUCKING SAID MULTIPLE TIMES I WASN'T

[drealmerz7]

quit fucking ignoring the BLATANT FACT that I told dunn MULTIPLE TIMES that I WASN'T FUCKING SOFTING

and yet he PERSISTS TO WRITE THE NARRATIVE THAT I AM AND WON'T CONSIDER OTHERWISE OR LET ANYONE ELSE CONSIDER OTHERWISE

[drealmerz7]

if you have a TR on someone you think is doing something on the downlow and that they know what you know and it's all hushush stuff

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP POINTING IT OUT?!

[drealmerz7]

that's not the point, staeg

the point is that why didn't DUNNSTRAL believe me at the time?

[drealmerz7]

that's me being ambiguous as I think serves things best when talking about role-talk like that

mygoal at that point is to make the read on all of that completely null so it gets dropped and we can go on to somoething else

[drealmerz7]

it's only after it happens again that I flat out deny it because I realize the point wasn't gotten across NOT TO FUCKING TALK ABOUT SHIT

[drealmerz7]

ive only skimmed but im pretty sure dreal is WRONG about something.

well that's helpful

[drealmerz7]

RC not reading, interesting...

[drealmerz7]

who said I have no interest in engaging you? I'd love to

if there are things you want addressed from me I missed let me know

[drealmerz7]

I'm content with your nacho vote if that is your vote for the person you think is scummiest. I'm not content with your reasoning, it's a good start, but not enough to make it vote-worthy imo. Your 1651 post seems a little weak, forced, and non-committal, actually. Very safe, it gives me pings, as does your 1658, it doesn't sound like genuine engagement.

I'm currently voting infinity.

I think you should probably take note of the fact that I've claimed NOT to have an orb or any orb knowledge and read D2 as suggested.

[drealmerz7]

this is me towntelling all over the fucking place btw

I don't scumflail

I townflail when I'm pissed at stupidity

this post sucks

why does it suck? it's the absolute truth and tells you exactly what was happening for you to understand and help sort me