Open 660 - White Flag (Game Over)

[Creature]

Yes, I think I sort of did.

[Creature]

If I am wrong we're probably screwed.

[BTD6_maker]

Day 4 VC 3

Alisae: KainTepes
Toto: Creature, ssbm_Kyouko, Alisae

Not voting: Transcend, Toto, keyenpeydee

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-22 00:00:00)

With 7 players, it's 4 to lynch!

[Creature]

Now it's a race to see who gets here first, Toto or BTD6_maker

BTD6_maker wins

[keyenpeydee]

I do hope Toto flips scum because he's been silent since the flip of Dave which he was willing to lynch. Whatsoever, I think LQ hinting Transcend's theory {LQ, Toto and Kyouko} being scum is somewhat reliable on my perspective. I know scum shouldn't hint their buddies, but there's some kind of meaning in it. Could be my gut feeling. LQ can also be sarcastic but gut says no.

[keyenpeydee]

Toto is at L-2 why the fuck fake twilight again huh

[keyenpeydee]

Oh he's at L-1. Oops thought it's 5 to lynch.

[keyenpeydee]

Ssbm also is being silent today.

[Toto]

Im waking up. Ive not been silent. Ive been busy travelling and visiting family. Every time I look at this thread someone else is being wagoned. Thats one of the reasons Ive not been voting lately. I was pretty much vl/a most of d3 and didnt get a chance to sit down and try to game solve.

So please. At least let me play the freaking game before you hammer me.

Looking at my wagon today there seems to be little ressistance other than from Transcend. So unless he is doing that to gain towncred he is probably town. I also had a conditonal town read on him given creature town. Reason is he also resisted creatures hammer when lq was the counter wagon.

I have to go but want to look at alisae, sbbm, key and kt later.

[Transcend]

Okay

1. I knew creature fake hammered, but i was cool with enhancing the reaction test

2. Someone should unvote

3. Toto, resisting votes/hammers is not a good reason to tr someone. How much expedience do you have with mafia?

[Transcend]

The game mafia, not the alignment

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

[Toto]

Here is my analysis of the LQ wagon.

KT: Votes LQ immediately after I unvote Creature.
Transcend: Resists hammering Creature. He switches vote to Vedith/Alisae after I unvote creature and then to LQ when he notes that Vedith is empty slot and also prompted by Chilled. This is the second vote on LQ.
Chilled: switches from Creature to LQ after Transcend joins wagon. Chilled prompts transcend to join LQ.
Creature: Votes chilled, then votes Sbbm.
Sbbm: Switches from Creature to LQ after being prompted by Transcend.
Alisae/Vedith. Vedith was pushing creature/lethargy hard. Then replaces out. Then Alisae sheeps KT and puts LQ at L-1 immediately after joining.
key: comes out of VL/A and hammers after I point out LQ reaction was scummy.

From the behavior it seems to me there is a busser in the last 3 {sbbm, alisae, key}. Those are the votes I find more suspicious and least reasoned.

@Transcend: I've been playing since my join date here.

[Creature]

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It just helps see who hasn't voted each other right? Wasn't Albans day 1 wagon the counter to keyen? And was being pushed by LQ? Food for thought in case I die, but needs verified cuz I'm phone posting without checking

[KainTepes]

Here is my analysis of the LQ wagon.

KT: Votes LQ immediately after I unvote Creature.
Transcend: Resists hammering Creature. He switches vote to Vedith/Alisae after I unvote creature and then to LQ when he notes that Vedith is empty slot and also prompted by Chilled. This is the second vote on LQ.
Chilled: switches from Creature to LQ after Transcend joins wagon. Chilled prompts transcend to join LQ.
Creature: Votes chilled, then votes Sbbm.
Sbbm: Switches from Creature to LQ after being prompted by Transcend.
Alisae/Vedith. Vedith was pushing creature/lethargy hard. Then replaces out. Then Alisae sheeps KT and puts LQ at L-1 immediately after joining.
key: comes out of VL/A and hammers after I point out LQ reaction was scummy.

From the behavior it seems to me there is a busser in the last 3 {sbbm, alisae, key}. Those are the votes I find more suspicious and least reasoned.

@Transcend: I've been playing since my join date here.

DO you think there is only ONE SCUMMER between SSBM and ALISAE and KEY,, or do you think the TWO OF THEM CAN BE WITHIN,, explain,, because right now if you are not SCUM i think the most likely COMBINATION is ALISAE AND MAYBE KYOUKO,, who are both not very heavy with the LYNCH OF THE LICK,, especially KYOUKO who arrived with some reluctance

[KainTepes]

I do hope Toto flips scum because he's been silent since the flip of Dave which he was willing to lynch. Whatsoever, I think LQ hinting Transcend's theory {LQ, Toto and Kyouko} being scum is somewhat reliable on my perspective. I know scum shouldn't hint their buddies, but there's some kind of meaning in it. Could be my gut feeling. LQ can also be sarcastic but gut says no.

what i dont understand if why SCUM WILL HINT THEIR BUDDIES if that if the argument,,

anyone think it is possible ALITOTO??

[KainTepes]

in any case, ALISAE is the right lynch for today,, that opportunistic behavior is SCUM ALISAE

[Transcend]

That's a good read Toto.

Do you have a case on Creature?

[Transcend]

Although i want you to know that sometimes scum don't hammer/vote someone so that they can pocket them. This isn't what I'm doing here, but I'm tipping that for you in future games.

[Transcend]

I have work today and will likely be absent for a good chunk of the day.

[Transcend]

Until like 3 am EST.

[KainTepes]

what is meaning of POCKET?? is it mafiascum terminology again,, i canot find it online

[Creature]

Something like "scum sparing town from lynch just to lynch them later"

[Toto]

DO you think there is only ONE SCUMMER between SSBM and ALISAE and KEY,, or do you think the TWO OF THEM CAN BE WITHIN,, explain,, because right now if you are not SCUM i think the most likely COMBINATION is ALISAE AND MAYBE KYOUKO,, who are both not very heavy with the LYNCH OF THE LICK,, especially KYOUKO who arrived with some reluctance

Also, again, creature's alignment is important here. Because if creature is scum then it means either someone was busing creature AND LQ, or the remaining team is You/Transcend + Creature. So basically there are three possible scum teams profiles:

1. scum!Creature + {double team busser} = {key, sbbm, alisae} : bused both creature and LQ.
2. Town creature => double LQ bus. Transcend resistance to hammer creature makes me less worried in this case, and also the fact that Transcend was also pushing LQ on D1.
3. scum!Creature + {KT, Trancend} : bused LQ but not creature. Transcend resistance to hammer makes me a bit more worried in this case.

Vedith was pushing creature/lethargy hard so that makes him the least likely in option (1)

I also don't think Transcend is scum if creature is town, so that rules him out of option (2).

For option (3) I think KT is more likely than transcend given Transcend made other people join the wagon.