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Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:45 am

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In post 4, ConManMick wrote:Hahahaha


Laugh.
Awkward.

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Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:14 am

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In post 12, Alisae wrote:Hey guys.
I'm masons with Transcend.
What are you doing?
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Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:16 am

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In post 17, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Terrible reaction tests.
smh....
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Post Post #23 (isolation #3) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:27 am

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In post 20, FancyPants wrote:
In post 12, Alisae wrote:Hey guys.
I'm masons with Transcend.
I don't see how this is pro-town.
Considering Transcend luckily isn't in this game I wouldn't necessarily call it anti-town either. Though generating any mason discussion this early in the game doesn't seem like a good thing. So sure....that seems anti-town.

Could you answer my question Alisae?
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Post Post #33 (isolation #4) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:36 am

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LUV is scummy because he thought your reaction test was bad?

What reaction from others did he ruin by commenting on it?

Did you expect a vote or something?
What if a mason had got jumpy and chimed in that you were fos? How would that have helped town?
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Post Post #39 (isolation #5) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:46 am

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In post 34, Alisae wrote:Nah the reaction test was that the person I mentioned wasn't on the playerlist and scum are more likely to be aware of that then town are.
Your post was on the same page as the player list? I had to look at it to confirm my doubt Transcend was in the game. Why wouldn't scum just glance at the list as well.

And what if you had putted a mason accidentally?

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So an outted stupid mason would be ok?
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Post Post #40 (isolation #6) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:47 am

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Ebwop...stupid auto correct.

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Post Post #50 (isolation #7) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:17 am

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In post 47, mozamis wrote:catching up...
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Post Post #61 (isolation #8) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:36 am

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I was going to comment on Grey's questioning towards LUV with the point that just because LUV said "scum!Grey is a slick one" doesn't mean he was referring to a specific game. I've been in games where Grey was scum and therefore could say the same thing. I know LUV has game experience where Grey is scum so he is not out of line by making that comment.

But then LUV had to go and say he was in fact referring to a specific game...that he wasn't in...that he just happened to read last night.

Speaking from my pov....I enter as many games as I can reasonbly handle. Something my game-mates would probably say is inaccurate :(

I do know that I do not have time to leisurely go about reading other games. At most a little meta investigating but certainly not reading games in full. And Hawk didn't mention which game he was even referring to. Just that he was in one with Grey where Grey was scum.

So LUV
....do you read a lot of games that you aren't in?
How often would you say you do that?
And what made you select the game with Grey that Hawk is alluding to?


tl:dr;

LUV reading the Hawk and Grey game last night where Grey was "slick scum" seems awfully coincidental.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #9) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:21 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #84 (isolation #10) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:04 pm

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Mod...your vote count is wrong.
Also...could you include those not voting?
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Post Post #85 (isolation #11) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:45 am

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Also mod....while snarky and rb have posted on site since this game began and just haven't checked in (WTF????)...kentofan hasn't been on site in two weeks. relacereplacereplace
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Post Post #86 (isolation #12) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:27 am

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This game is the best. No matter how much time passes between my posts I get barely...if any...behind. Like perpetually caught up.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:55 am

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In post 80, boring wrote:that reaction was interesting.
What reaction?
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Post Post #137 (isolation #14) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:32 am

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Yo mod.....rb and kentofan status? Accurate vote count. Bueller....Bueller.....
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Post Post #138 (isolation #15) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:43 am

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VOTE: Alisae

- Don't like the reaction test. I think expecting people to not look 10 posts up the page to confirm if someone is in a game and hold it against them if they do is not well thought out....and while risking outing a real mason at the same time to boot.
- Seems to be posting a lot of fluff.
- I get the stated reason for not liking LUV but don't see why the vote on Grey and don't get the subsequent unvote.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #16) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:45 am

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In post 186, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 61, havingfitz wrote: LUV reading the Hawk and Grey game last night where Grey was "slick scum" seems awfully coincidental.
How does that make him scum?
I thought my post 61 laid out what I was thinking pretty clearly.

Other than the part where I don't state the conclusion that LUV is scum. Where are you getting that? Do you think LUV'S answer to Grey is legit?
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Post Post #193 (isolation #17) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:58 am

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In post 192, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:why you thought that it made LUV scum
You keep saying this. Why?
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Post Post #198 (isolation #18) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:15 am

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In post 195, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 193, havingfitz wrote:
In post 192, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:why you thought that it made LUV scum
You keep saying this. Why?
If you were not implying LUV was scum with the 'awfully coincidental' comment, what was you implying?
I was implying/explicitly stating that LUVs comments seemed awfully coincidental and that I wanted more information on the matter...hence my questions to LUV.

LUVs response was enough to stem my curiosity fttb.

I would not say LUV is a scum read for me att....as I didn't state in post 61.
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Post Post #205 (isolation #19) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:57 am

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In post 98, SnarkySnowman wrote:Admittedly I couldn't find the thread.
Admittedly...you're almost as active as if you'd never found it. wtf :roll:

You're elsewhere on site...how about spending some time in here?
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Post Post #206 (isolation #20) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:05 am

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In post 201, Alisae wrote:Ah ok. Yeah re-reading again I still don't like Grey's play.
VOTE: Grey
Ali...what about Grey's play do you not like? Despite you voting, unvoting and re-voting him can't find your concerns.

This seems like a lazy baseless vote on the leading wagon.
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Post Post #210 (isolation #21) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:28 am

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In post 208, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What does 'awfully coincidental' mean in relation to alignment?
Coming from me, and most others I would assume, that phrase would indicate some level of disbelief...or suspicion. So reason to suspect. It caused me to question the veracity of LUVs explanation to Grey. It was not scum indictment worthy...so he did not become a scum read for it.

Is this topic important to you? FYI - if at some point in this game I do begin to scum read LUV I'll be sure to bring this point up and say he was probably full of shit.
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Post Post #214 (isolation #22) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:57 am

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My point being...if someone does something you find questionable...that doesn't automatically mean you are scum reading them. Especially after further clarification by that person. And saying I am scum reading someone I did not say that about is a bit misleading btw.
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Post Post #215 (isolation #23) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:59 am

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In post 211, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:suspicion = scum read
I don't think this is always the case. It isn't in this case. Just an event I wanted more info on.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #24) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:24 am

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In post 216, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: fitz

Can we lynch this please?
I'm not a this tyvm.

Did my "misleading" comment strike a nerve?
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Post Post #221 (isolation #25) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:54 am

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In post 219, tojam2 wrote:
Nobody noticed the slip-up on the VC, but its fixed now.
I did but apparently it's something we'll have to deal with in this game so it wasn't worth mentioning. But since you brought it up....VC 1.3 still has a slip-up. :wink:
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Post Post #294 (isolation #26) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:27 am

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Mod...if this is asking too much feel free to decline...but could you have the people on wagons in the order they joined them? Example...the last three votes just happened for Empking and Hawk was last on the wagon...but you have him 3rd on the wagon and Ali last.


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Post Post #295 (isolation #27) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:31 am

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Speaking of Ali....just one page ago you were giving props to Empking for being on the right track and now you are ok voting today to sheep boring who, by his own admission, doesn't look to be making the strongest case on Empking.
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Post Post #301 (isolation #28) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:21 am

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In post 300, -Grey- wrote:Not that coincidental considering it was one of two completed scum games, and the second one was nothing but catch up posts.
But why would he have happened to have read that scum game versus reading anyone else's scum (or not) games amongst this game's playerlist? Especially when the entire exchange took place over the span of less than an hour. So it wasn't like LUV saw something. Read your game that night...then commented. It was all pretty bang bang and thus pretty coincidental.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #29) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:47 am

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Busy weekend...I'll engage more in here as of tomorrow.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #30) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:51 am

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In post 367, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Now you're voting Ali for mason hunting? Bullshit, he wasn't accused of that earlier
Ali has been accused of activities that could result in outing masons. I.e. mason hunting. Why do you think in part I'm voting him?
In post 399, Alisae wrote:I was bring too much attention to it, so I figured it would be a better idea to out the theory instead of keeping the information hidden from town.
More mason chat. Wtf? Why is the masons identities not best hidden from town? And therefore most likely hidden from scum too.

I only want to know who a mason is if a claim is involved by 1 or 2 of then. Only to avoid a mislynch.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #31) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:00 am

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In post 459, tojam2 wrote:NV (3) - SnarkySnowman, boring, ConManMick
Why no votes gents?
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Post Post #475 (isolation #32) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:05 am

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In post 474, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 473, havingfitz wrote:
In post 459, tojam2 wrote:NV (3) - SnarkySnowman, boring, ConManMick
Why no votes gents?
Why the worry, you in a hurry?
So you don't have an answer? You suspect no one enough to vote them?
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Post Post #483 (isolation #33) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:27 am

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In post 480, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Is there anyone here to talk to in real time?

Hate having to do multiple catch up posts one after another.
Here.
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Post Post #486 (isolation #34) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:39 am

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I don't recall my read on him. Other games.. long weekend and lack of overall activity in this game has me a bit out of sync. I'll look. While I do....where do you stand on Emp, Mozi and Ali?
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Post Post #490 (isolation #35) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:46 am

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Looking back at my posts I have barely mentioned Hawk. So he hasn't been someone on my radar.

I agree with your 3 assessments at first glance aside from town reading Ali early.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #36) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:50 am

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Not after reading your ISO wrt him.
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Post Post #494 (isolation #37) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:51 am

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I'll look his ISO over but I don't recall suspecting him. Not sure I move off Ali for him unless his ISO changes my mind.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #38) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:30 am

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His ISO is short enough to do a post by post:

ISO 0- RVS fluff. Votes Grey.

ISO 1- Defense of Ali's "reaction test." Feels like Ali always does this. needs to do some digging. No opinion on whether Ali does this as town or scum or both.

ISO 2- Clarification on defense. Says he is new to Mafiascum...3 games with Ali of which only one w/Ali is done. So basically...no AI meta on Ali starting out fast. Says will dig more (again).

ISO 3- Mentions his vote is RVS but he ses no reason to unvote. [I can think of a reason...Grey is at L-3 for no stated reason] Town reading Ali, FP and boring.

ISO 4- Says he is townreading Ali for gut and prior experience. Which = 3 games of which only one is done for Ali. Gives meh rationales for town reading the three above. More defense of Ali. Offers a no read on Emp (who he votes ~100 posts later). Wishy washy comments on LUV. Likes my scumhunting.

ISO 5- Unvotes Grey. Not voting Ali yet because doesn't feel he is scummy. [So why say yet?]. Says meta and aggression are NAI...[so why go on and on about how Ali always starts games this way? i.e. meta] Makes comments that seem to be shading mason talk for which Ali is mostly responsible for.

ISO 6- Explains prior mason comment about mislynches being easier if masons agree. meh. Get's where Grey is coming from. So friends now?

ISO 7- Gives Grey a little flak for unvoting Ali w/o comment. Votes Snowman (who Ali is also voting) as unconcerned town or coasting scum.

ISO 8- fluff

ISO 9- fluff

ISO 10- Doesn't have the best reads....wants to hear more from Emp so follows Ali and boring onto Emp wagon. Puts Emp at L-3. [So doesn't seem to have any problem putting people at L-3 for little of no solid reasoning. With two groups of three {masons and mafia} that he is concerned could make mislynches easier putting people at L-3 for not much to go on seems careless].

ISO 11- Defends Snowman vote by saying not scum reading...just pressuring for more content (paraphrasing).

ISO 12- Begs off pressure from Grey (wrt the snowman vote) and says he will find a better place for his vote {though he is not on Snowman anymore...he is voting Emp].

ISO 13- RL slowing him down. Will try to catch up tonight [Monday]. crickets....~3 hours from prod status.

Conclusion....yeah...not liking Hawk on closer review. Still don't like Ali either though. Who ever has best chance at getting voted out has my support.
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Post Post #499 (isolation #39) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:46 am

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Ali wagon not getting traction.

Sure

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Post Post #501 (isolation #40) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:28 am

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In post 500, Antihuman wrote:lynching people just cause they're not very useful usually ends up as a ml. Part of the reason moz's a temp park on my side (I think).
Are you saying you feel the same way about your moz vote as you would voting Hawk?
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Post Post #508 (isolation #41) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:36 am

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In post 504, Antihuman wrote:You misunderstood
I'm saying Hawk's a mediocre lynch atm and you're stuck in confbias if you think this is the optimal lynch right now
The same thing applies to your moz vote apparently.

Why not vote someone you do feel good about voting?

P.p.p. edit.....ffs
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Post Post #509 (isolation #42) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:37 am

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In post 506, boring wrote:{Snarky}
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Post Post #512 (isolation #43) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:29 am

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So here's an observation I'm curious about...
In post 501, havingfitz wrote:
In post 500, Antihuman wrote:lynching people just cause they're not very useful usually ends up as a ml. Part of the reason moz's a temp park on my side (I think).
Are you saying you feel the same way about your moz vote as you would voting Hawk?
In post 502, Antihuman wrote:Similar
It doesn't seem like you are considering your moz vote the same way you are the current Hawk wagon.
In post 154, Antihuman wrote:Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.
I'm not too keen on elaborating at this stage cause it makes it easy for scum to tailor their play. But I'm keeping a spreadsheet so if you think you can call me out on empty reads, I can prove your wrong anytime

VOTE: mozamis

Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum
In post 155, Antihuman wrote:I'd still prefer people switched onto mozamis for now.
Difference being you encouraging people to join you on moz while showing pessimism towards the Hawk wagon.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #44) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:28 pm

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In post 520, Hawk wrote:
In post 519, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I like to push hard when I think I'm right.

The fact that Hawk mostly just responded talking about theory makes me feel even more confident that Hawk is scum.
I'm literally at work trying to form a reads list and responded to all your call outs for early game shit. Lynch me if you want but when I flip green you'll be no closer to winning if you really are town. Which I don't think you are. ;)
Was there any suspicions towards BBT prior to him voting/pushing you? I don't recall from the ISO I did on you.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #45) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:01 am

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I was about to unvote you Hawk because of your reaction to the pressure you got yesterday but on closer look....I still find you suspect and your response to my ISO was weak. And too much "honestly" and "sorry" for my liking btw. I also still suspect Ali. And I'm growing suspect of boring lately as well. I was going to say I wasn't a big fan of Empking and Snarky either because of the lack of effort they seem to be putting into this game and then I realized the same thing applied to most of the players in the game. FP...CMM...Moz....LUV. Fcuk. Actually LUV has posted a good bit. Not sure why it feels like he hasn't.

In response to your ...

- Being on a wagon for no good reason that get's to L-3 is right on the borderline IMO of being dangerous. The fact that you comment on there being no reason to unvote is what pinged me when clearly there was at least 1, ex. you having no reason to vote him and him being at L-3.

- So you didn't have a strong read on Emp...yet you were ok following Ali and boring onto his wagon bringing yet again...a player to L-3 for reasons unknown to me.

- I'm still having issues with your Ali defense based on meta and the fact you say meta is NAI. How can you defend Ali based on his meta (very limited meta at that) when you do not think meta is NAI? You can't.

- I'm "drawing a lot of conclusions from theory posts?" A lot? One isn't a lot...so show me two conclusions I've made from theory posts. And if one of them is you and Grey being friends...scratch that becuase that wasn't a conclusion. A conclusion would be me saying...Oh look...Grey and Hawk are friends now. I don't say that. I ask if you were to which you were perfectly capable of, and did, reply no. So show me a lot (2) conlusions please.

- "This is probably an error on my part" How can you say you weren't treating the game as a mason game when you had discussed theory about masons potentially facillitating mislynches if they all agree (with mafia) on a mislynch wagon? "probably wasn't unaware of the idea" doesn't fly when , a few ISO posts earlier.

So my vote stays.


So Hawk...why are you still voting Empking? Do you suspect him?

Can you name 2 or 3 players you actually suspect?

Can you name 2 or 3 players you actually think are town?


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Suspects: Hawk, Ali, boring
Suspect a little less: Snarky, Emp, FP, Moz, CMM, LUV & Anti
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Post Post #571 (isolation #46) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:07 am

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BBT....what is your read on Ali and do you suspect moz more than him?
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Post Post #572 (isolation #47) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:07 am

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You obviously do.....why?
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Post Post #581 (isolation #48) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:09 am

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In post 573, boring wrote:P-edit: Fitz, Can you explain why I'm in your highest suspect list? This is the first I've heard from you having anything at all to do with me, iirc. If you can't get Hawk or Alisae today, would you vote for me?
Nothing definitive. That answer sucks I know. I liked your early posting. I think some of the posts the last day or so around the Hawk debate had me doubting you. I'm second guessing that read on you. If Hawk or Ali wasn't going to happen I don't think I'd vote you over one of the less involved players.

What changed your mind on Hawk and does my post to him this morning effect that change?
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Post Post #626 (isolation #49) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:08 am

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I don't think BBT is scum. Someone should
unvote him
so we can look over reasons, or lack thereof, that people did vote him.
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Post Post #646 (isolation #50) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:39 am

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In post 642, -Grey- wrote:
In post 641, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Where is the mod? We need a VC!
BBT is L-2.

I was already voting him when I "hammered".
^ this.

BBt...please stop being a whinging defeatist not hammered victim and discuss who is scum and why.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #51) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:19 am

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In post 653, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Please hammer me to prove so many people wrong.
I'm not a fan of so much whining and talk about giving up. If you're really giving up you should have hammered yourself or you should replace out. Regardless of your alignment. To come in guns blazing and so full of yourself only to be crushed by pressure is really pathetic.

I just won a game w/town where I was at L-1 a fair amount and was forced to claim. Get over it ffs.
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Post Post #673 (isolation #52) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:36 am

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In post 671, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Put your votes where your mouths are.
The thing is....there's other players I'd rather see lynched. Replace out if you're such a quitter. Otherwise contribute to your wincon.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #53) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:46 am

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In post 666, ConManMick wrote:Having played with BBT before I can see this reaction coming from him as town
CMM...why aren't you participating in the game?
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Post Post #691 (isolation #54) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:16 am

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In post 689, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm not being replaced. I'm not putting anyone else in this shitty position.
You're not in a "shitty position." You're just being an immature ass. Are you 13?

So BBT=policy lynch now. Copy.

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Post Post #713 (isolation #55) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:06 am

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VOTE: Alisae
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In post 715, ConManMick wrote:Righto. If anyone has any objections, speak now or forever hold your peace. I'll give it an hour so y'all can see.
Objections to what...hammering BBT? Isn't he at like L-2 or 3? Aside from his whiny ass quitting attitude what's to object to?
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Post Post #753 (isolation #57) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:16 am

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Mod?
Mod?
Hello.....mod?

Day's over.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #58) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:38 am

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In post 777, Alisae wrote:Did Con townslip or was that fake?
I see no townslip.
What are you referring to?
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Post Post #781 (isolation #59) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:46 am

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In post 779, Alisae wrote:
In post 775, ConManMick wrote:GOOOOOD MOOORNING CAMPERS
No nightkills?
Before the mod posted. NAI imo.

Where were we....

Ah.

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Post Post #787 (isolation #60) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:17 am

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In post 783, Antihuman wrote:I thought policy lynch = priority over anything else
I've never been of this mind.

My vote was more from annoyance than suspicion. Wasn't that dedicated to it. So when Empire voted Ali SQUIRREL!!!!! I went back where I felt more suspect.
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Post Post #801 (isolation #61) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:51 am

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In post 788, Alisae wrote:Still waiting for that case.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8714680 for now.
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Post Post #832 (isolation #62) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:52 am

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In post 818, Alisae wrote:
A. Why would a mason counter claim?
B. That's NAI for me. Try again.
C. You're still holding my bad push against Grey against me? Okay well I thought it was scum!grey cuz he was playing more careful but then I remembered this was Grey's towngame so far.

Why am I townreading this again?
A) Well...I never said a mason would CC you but I suppose there is the chance an experienced one might.

Here are my issues with your page 1 mason claim:
- not bringing up the masons in discussion is of no value to the scum in finding masons.
- bringing up masons in discussion gives the scum information to work with based on how people react to the mason discussion.
- claiming mason on D1 when you aren't is assinine. And anti-town i.e. scummy.

B) OK...thanks for providing your self-meta factoid for me to disregard.

C) I don't even remember what my problem wrt Grey was. It was 700 posts ago.

And when this was initially posted you were town reading me. But now when it is referenced you ask why you are townreading me. On that note...I find it offensive to be referred to as "this". If you are too lazy to type out havingfitz or fitz..HF works fine.

Not listed for reason of suspicion towards you are your posts and . In the 249 you have Grey firmly at the bottom of your reads list and your vote is on him (he's at L-3). In 251 ..you proceed to place a lone vote Snowman, who had a totoal of two post up to this point, and skip over an entire tier of suspects (BBT, Uzi, Empking). So I found your hop off a wagon that had real potential for your main suspects to start a wagon on a a super lurker to be very scummy. Like you know Grey is going to flip town and you really don't want any part of it.

I also felt you sheeping the Hawk wagon only to hold Hawk suspicions against BBT to be bs. Why did that exchange have to be TvS? Why not TvT? And as BBT flipped town...why doesn't the earlier TvS assessment still hold. i.e. why isn't Hawk scum as a result of the BBT flip?

So now you sheep moz's poor vote on me for being panicked. How was I panicked? For being frustrated at BBT's pathetic whiny ass for having a sore magina? I'm not totally opposed to the occasional policy lynch but I didn't think he was scum and deciding to go back to you is not panic (
moz
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And I can guarantee you if your wagon gets in position to achieve a lynch I will not be hopping off.

More people need to vote Alisae.


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And moz...I haven't really paid that much attention to you because I've been more interested in other players but your ~play deserves a closer look.

Why would you call Ali's play prelynch worrisome and then vote the person pushing her wagon?
And please explain more about the panicking I did wrt the BBT lynch.
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In post 830, Alisae wrote:Moz why would scum hop off the BBT wagon?
Derpyderpderp. I wonder. Get to your point lol
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Post Post #835 (isolation #64) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:14 am

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In post 834, Hawk wrote:@Fitz what do you think of Grendel's catchup?
TBD.

Haven't really read his assessments yet.
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Post Post #838 (isolation #65) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:44 am

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In post 837, tojam2 wrote:
VC 2.1


Empking (L-5) - Lil Uzi Vert
Alisae (L-4) - havingfitz, Hawk
havingfitz (L-4) - Alisae, mozamis

(expired on 2017-02-07 15:56:00)

Fixed!
In post 804, Empking wrote:
Vote: Ali
- Nothing's changed on that front.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #66) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:34 pm

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In post 843, -Grey- wrote:Get the fuck off Alisae and find scum.
I'm not going to speculate on who the masons are. I'm voting who I suspect and if a claim falls out of it I'll adjust accordingly.
In post 844, Alisae wrote:
In post 832, havingfitz wrote:A) Well...I never said a mason would CC you but I suppose there is the chance an experienced one might.
I think you genuinely townslipped.
UNVOTE:
Not sure where there is a townslip there (aside from the fact that I am town and said it). Also....that should have said "an
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In post 845, Alisae wrote:
In post 832, havingfitz wrote:C) I don't even remember what my problem wrt Grey was. It was 700 posts ago.
You're using it as an arguement against me. Cool.
I'm going back to who I suspected yesterday because my read hasn't changed. In fact...I provided a few other reasons I suspect you in my .
In post 854, SnarkySnowman wrote:
Is that strong enough that it's your strongest scumread?
Combined with my added comments in .
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Post Post #858 (isolation #67) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:35 pm

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Offline all day tomorrow....will try to post over the weekend but just to be safe...

v/LA until Monday, 30 Jan.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #68) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:27 am

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3 day weekends/vla's are grrrrrrrrreat!
Catching up in 3 games not so much.

So we had Ali at L-1 and let the wagon shrink. Ffs.

Hawk...why moz over Ali? Do you still sr Ali?

I think LUV is town. Leaning town on CMM...maybe Empking.
Snowman seems like lynchbait in all the games I've seen him in. So not a fan of his short lived wagon.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #69) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:59 am

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In post 997, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What are your thoughts on Grey again?
Haven't been scum reading him. If I had to pick I'd guess he was town. Not a fan him following around Ali today despite maaaybe suspecting that slot. Not interested in voting him any time soon.
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #70) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:01 am

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In post 998, ConManMick wrote:Fitz my man you gotta change wagons
I'm not sure about mozamis this game. I prefer an Ali lynch but would vote moz in a pinch (ie to avoid a NL).
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #71) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:46 am

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In post 1001, ConManMick wrote:Talk me (briefly) through your Ali read
ISO me.
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #72) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:34 am

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I wouldn't accept open ended vlas to begin with. His profile says till 28 Feb. Screw that. I'd give a day or two and if no activity replace him.
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #73) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:15 am

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In post 1023, Grendel wrote:@Fitz

Can I talk to you?
Why me? Sure.


WRT to the recent defections... quitters suck.

Do the mod a favor folks and save him the trouble of replacing my top scum read.

Vote Ali!
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Post Post #1036 (isolation #74) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:19 am

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Please do the mod a favor and vote Ali.
1...She's scum.
2. She's a quitter.
3. moz could be town and is not a quitter.

Vote Ali.
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #75) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:24 am

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Ali is at L-1.

This game could use a breather to allow people to refresh....especially AH.

Someone f'ing hammer Ali so mod just has to replace 1 quitter.

Someone voting moz please hammer.
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #76) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:52 pm

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Mod...I'm v/LA until Monday morning.


I'll try to post some over the weekend but SB and family have priority.

Also...self meta factoid...even though Ali was deservedly suspect, I would not as scum have pushed so hard for what I would have known was going to be a mislynch. I would have been much more laid back and just joined whatever mislynch looked doable. Feel free to ignore because self meta is bad. But what I said.

Also....1 mislynch to go before LYLO. I guess today is still don't claim mode but we should start thinking about the masons claiming soon. Like if there is another mislynch or if scum manages to actually hit a mason a night. Luckily their aim is shit :giggle:
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #77) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:31 pm

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In post 1075, MathBlade wrote:The meta I have on you is scum. Lynched correctly D1 and you fake claimed Jailkeeper when I was bodyguard. That was a fun game. This reminds me of that.
I know I've been in games with you but don't recall the situation. Did we win? :)

I have non-scum meta too by the way. Pushing early game (i.e. D1 or D2) mislynches aggressively when I'm scum isn't in my scum meta.
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #78) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:44 pm

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In post 1077, MathBlade wrote:Scum lost.
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In post 1078, MathBlade wrote:I want to see ConManMick and Hawk scum hunt rather than just declare that the pool is x.
I made a push on Hawk D1 iirc...feel free to peruse points I made. I'm TBD on how I want to proceed today. I need to look the entire game over and I don't think that's happening this weekend.
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Post Post #1103 (isolation #81) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:46 am

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In post 1072, havingfitz wrote:
I'm v/LA until Monday morning.


I'll try to post some over the weekend but SB and family have priority.
In post 1080, havingfitz wrote:I'm TBD on how I want to proceed today. I need to look the entire game over and I don't think that's happening this weekend.
Short of looking at what reads I might have had at the end of D2....no.
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #82) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:51 am

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In post 1085, MathBlade wrote:Because Fitz doesn't have reads.
Fitz suggested a policy lynch.
ConManMick didn't push Fitz for the policy lynch and instead performs the definition of insanity.
wrt reads....we just mislynched. D3 just began yesterday. The game needs looked at closer...for me at least.

wrt pushing PL. Are you referring to BBT D1? I thought he was town and did not want to be rid of that slot....but when a whiny ass quitting player promises to not replace out and not do any scum hunting...he has to go IMO. Even though I wasn't on his lynch I support it.

What makes CMM any different than any other player that may or may not have pushed me for suggesting BBT was a PL that should happen?

Also...I agree with your sentiment on the moz buddying post.
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #83) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:43 am

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In post 1105, MathBlade wrote:Yes we did. And you had all night to reread and adjust if Town. Time for closer analysis.
Get over your personal schedule...it's not mine. And the closer analysis bit is why I haven't given updated reads. :idea:
In post 1105, MathBlade wrote:Yes we did. And you had all night to reread and adjust if Town. Time for closer analysis.

Alisae. I am referring to the post I quoted. That one I am concerned with because you picked Alisae because she wasn't here.
Ali wasn't a PL for me. I had suspected that slot and provided reasons unrelated to her quitting. Saying I picked her because she wasn't here is a misrep.
In post 1105, MathBlade wrote:The BBT lynch he could have been force replaced. There are ways besides policy and BBT is sometimes a stick in the mud.
He was still posting...he wasn't ignoring the game. Why would the mod replace him?
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #84) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:07 am

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In post 1110, MathBlade wrote:Sure doesn't seem like it wasn't policy Fitz...The argument was "Alisae is scum".
You should try reading the game too.
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #85) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:13 pm

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In post 1114, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1111, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1110, MathBlade wrote:Sure doesn't seem like it wasn't policy Fitz...The argument was "Alisae is scum".
You should try reading the game too.
I am. I quoted your argument. Stop flinging insults and give reads.
And ignored my actual case in .
Reads NLT Monday.
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Post Post #1123 (isolation #86) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:18 am

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Off the net all day yesterday (hiking+SB stuff).

Will catch up and comment today.
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #87) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:30 am

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In post 1125, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Prod received. Will get to this today, got caught up with Boston sports yesterday :D
You in the Boston area LUV?
In post 1126, SnarkySnowman wrote:That supah bowl was wicked pissah. I'll be at the parade tomorrah
I thought about going today but fighting crowds and shit weather changed that.
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #88) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:16 pm

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Sorry...got caught up in another game today. Will catch up asap tomorrow.
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #89) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:51 am

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Someone needs to unvote me. If you are on my wagon and town...get the fcuk off. We have too much time left in the day to be rushing a mislynch.

My claim is I'm not scum.

Apologies for the lack of posting. I'm behind in both my current games due to focus on a game that just ended last night. I have time to catch up now.

Math...I don't know if you are scum or not but you need to cool your jets. Not everyone can be or is interested in being an overposter like you. i.e. fcukoff.

As for my involvement in the previous day's lynches (or not)....The two players I have suspected most this game have been Ali and Hawk. I was wrong on Ali yesterday. It happens. As for BBT...I don't recall thinking that slot was scum but when BBT pussed out and left town hanging I was fine with his lynch whether I was on it or not. I left his wagon because I think someone had put a vote down on Ali (moz) and I still preferred that to a BBT lynch. I'm fine with being considered one of the BBT voters regardless.

I don't get the feel that Emp is scum.
I don't think Snowman is scum.
If I had to guess I would lean town on Math.
CMM and LUV I would need to look over more closely.
AH just needs replaced.
Top two scum reads atm are probably Hawk for previous suspicions and moz (POE/gut/OMGUS).
Not sure who my 3rd would be atm.

Also...I haven't commented on this yet but the Ali lynch was bullshit. Not the fact Ali WAS lynched. The fact her requirement to be lynched was just arbitrarily reduced by 1 vote because we had some inactive slots. WTF!? I have never once seen that happen in a game. And considering Ali ended up being town that did not do town any favors. Way too much mod meddling there. F'd up IMO.
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #90) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:56 am

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Oh.. .and
VOTE: Hawk
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #91) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:25 am

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In post 1176, havingfitz wrote:Someone needs to unvote me. If you are on my wagon and town...get the fcuk off. We have too much time left in the day to be rushing a mislynch.

My claim is I'm not scum.
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Post Post #1248 (isolation #92) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:49 am

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In post 1186, MathBlade wrote:This isn't a rush. This is playing mafia. You be scumz. I want to lynch scums. Your reads have no reasons. You can eat rope.
Are you wrong a lot? It's funny fmpov reading your comments towards getting me lynched and thinking how stupid you are. You could be scum I suppose in which case I retract the stupid comment.

I made the reasons for my suspicions towards Ali and Hawk known. Pull your head out of your ass and stop using that as an excuse because it's a lie. And while you might not like the reasons I provide they are still in fact reasons and your opinion is trash.

And if you want to push a mislynch on me because I do not meet your activity baselines you can fcuk off. I'm not playing to your schedule. I'm town. I'm not scum.

If anyone wants to find out whether or not I am town of the mason variety they can lynch me. :idea:
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #93) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:50 am

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In post 1184, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i'm p sure you're just scum though
And I'm p sure you wear pants on your head.
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #94) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:13 am

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In post 1250, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 1249, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1184, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i'm p sure you're just scum though
And I'm p sure you wear pants on your head.
coming from someone voting for hawk this is a riot :)
Because Hawk is comfirmed town somehow? I missed that confirmation.
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #95) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:18 am

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In post 1251, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:again if there is town in {moz, fitz, empking} i'm just very disappointed

mathblade can join that crew if they want i guess but im cutting them some slack
If you're town you'll just have to resign yourself to being disappointed then. Why aren't you scum? Because of your slot's previous stellar play? Because you have come in and just overposted pointing your finger at people?

p.edit. I'm not even sure what the current votecount is. I won't hammer anyone unless I think they are scum and it won't be an lolhammer. I'd at least give someone a chance to defend themself. Still a week to digest the game. No rush.
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Post Post #1295 (isolation #96) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:36 pm

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In post 1281, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Fitz was also scum in one of those games with King.
smh.....so?
What the hell does that have to do with this game?
You mean we got the same role again here?
He's town too?
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #97) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:39 pm

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In post 1275, mozamis wrote:Giga, math, fitz then?
:lol:
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #98) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:41 pm

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In post 1279, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:it has to be Fitz
Who's scum if I'm not (cause I'm not)?
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #99) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:44 pm

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In post 1300, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1299, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1279, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:it has to be Fitz
Who's scum if I'm not (cause I'm not)?
Giga or MB.
You had already said Giga and Empking. So if I'm town (I am) your scum reads would be MB, Giga and EMpking?
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Post Post #1382 (isolation #100) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:17 pm

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In post 1308, mozamis wrote:hang on why the fuck is Hawk getting a free pass?
In post 1309, mozamis wrote:Hawk and King just lurking their way to victory?
In post 1363, mozamis wrote:I still dont see why Giga cant be scum.
But I've been arguing for Fitz all game.

VOTE FITZ
If you're town moz you're terrible. Just in your last three posts you've inferred half the remaining players are scum. Including the player I'm voting. You're all over the place.

I'm not sure you're scum though so I don't feel like hammering you atm. I'll look your ISO over and decide. Assuming I'm not lynched first.

P.edit....why the switch from moz to me giga?
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Post Post #1402 (isolation #101) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:52 am

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Fcuk it. I'm 100% certain I'm not scum.
I'm not certain moz isn't scum plus he's a chicken with his head cut off.
Better he goes then I do.

VOTE: moz
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Post Post #1403 (isolation #102) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:58 am

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In post 1302, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:fitz why do you keep assuming uzi is townreading moz
What makes you think I'm assuming this? Cause I'm not.
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Post Post #1404 (isolation #103) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:05 am

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In post 1402, havingfitz wrote:VOTE: moz
Moz and I are both at L-1 btw.
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #104) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:25 am

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In post 1406, Empking wrote:We definitely ought to be waiting for Having's claim That's only sensible.
I've already claimed. I'm not scum.

And it's same to assume I'm not a mason either given the fact I've been at L-1 twice now and not claimed it.

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Post Post #1409 (isolation #105) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:26 am

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In post 1405, MathBlade wrote:that means moz/fitz/king impossible
It is impossible because I'm town. derpblade
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Post Post #1410 (isolation #106) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:27 am

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In post 1407, Empking wrote:Although, I doubt he is
We're both L-1. You are the only player not voting either of us.
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Post Post #1411 (isolation #107) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:29 am

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In post 1401, MathBlade wrote:At least Fitz is trying to hunt.
But let's vote him out anyway. :roll:

I kind of hope I'm not lynched as my schedule is looking like I'll have more time to devote to this game after Saturday.
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #108) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:31 am

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I'm town. Well played Einsteins.
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Post Post #1414 (isolation #109) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:33 am

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I'd be amazed if scum don't hit a mason tonight. Surely they can't go 0-3. Good luck with the claim game tomorrow.
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Post Post #1415 (isolation #110) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:36 am

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In post 1412, Empking wrote:p-edit: Oh, that confirms it sorry guys
What are you talking about? What are you apologizing for?
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #111) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:47 am

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Whatever. Town deserves to lose at this point. Starting with BBT's pussout on D1. Unless he's a mason please vote out Hawk tomorrow. MB deserves to go as well for pushing my lynch for absolutely no reason other than low activity and misreps.

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Post Post #1940 (isolation #112) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:42 am

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Very poor modding. Crap on timeliness, vc's, no dead thread, arbitrarily deciding 1 less vote on the D2 lynch (WTF??). Grade D-

Thanks backup mod.

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Post Post #1951 (isolation #113) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:46 am

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Mod
...I think you are confusing shite with facts. If any of my criticisms (which are honestly meant to be constructive) are not spot on...feel free to elaborate.

As for your timeliness...it has nothing to do with your timezone. If you can't check in every day or two and get an "accurate" votecount at least every other day...then you obviously do not have the time commitment modding involves. On top of the lack of a dead thread and the D2 L-1 lynch.

Why would I go to a listmod when I can give you my thoughts? I just wanted to give you feedback for you to take on board for future games you might mod. Just be more attentive and active...without effecting the game (i.e. interjecting comments like to MB and the L-1 lynch).

Also
Mod
...if you fucked up only once we wouldn't be having this discussion :)

But if it makes you feel any better...here are my 3 games modded, no fuckups iirc.:



Seriously though tojam...good luck if you mod again. :)
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