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[Dunnstral]

Let's say everyone but UZI is scummy on that wagon

[Zachstralkita]

That means u think me slick AA and uzi are possible candidates LMAO AND DREALMEZR LOL

Let's say everyone but UZI is scummy on that wagon

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Wraith]

FINALLY back without impending tasks due and I'm going to try catching up 30 freaking pages and counting. This starts at about page 47 and has ended at page 59. This is more grueling than I thought.

* Yeah in hindsight now Slick's #1065 looks pretty freaking scummy, and I agree with Gin and Ircher in that regard. "Not wanting to get in the way" of "strong scumhunting personalities" is no excuse for not scumhunting yourself.
* Not really that sure where the Gin flashwagon came from and I don't like it one bit, at least at the time I read this.
* One thing I remember from before my V/LA is that with Grey replacing out Zach and Gin are looking like the top town voices IMO even though they are ironically arrayed against each other
* I actually like Zach's #1194 even though I disagree with its conclusion and think it relies on a presupposed assumption. Why? Because he's laying out his line up thought in a clear manner, unlike certain other players in this game. But like I said, I think his a chief part of his conclusion here is assuming Alisae is lynchbait rather than scum playing that up.
* Still more garbage from Alisae in #1196. He hates how quickly the Slick wagon arose, but was the first person to actively push him as a flashwagon

by name

. And then he immediately sheeps Zach for yet another wagon! Are these kinds of contradictions really excusable by the "lynchbait" label? Alisae is clearly not scumhunting, I've said it several times and will continue to say it - and yet "not scumhunting" or "fake scumhunting" were the chief reasons for the flashwagons on Slick and Gin! What the hell is going on here?
* Alisae's clarification in #1202 would make sense...if he hadn't actively pushed Slick as a flashwagon! It's absolutely fallacious to say "hey let's flashwagon this dude" and then object when several people agree with you! And the flashwagon on Slick was the most valid one yet!
* The more I read the Zach vs Gin arguing the more I believe this is town vs town. Both raise valid points but seem to have entirely different perspectives dependent on who they each assume is town or scum. And I'm gonna be honest, I think I agree more with Gin here in

GINeral

general.
* I think Slick's #1218 is a blatant OMGUS vote he's trying to disguise by simply saying "I agree with Zach's argument."
* I think HS's #1252 is scummy. HS is strongly against lynching Slick but has provided no reasoning why. HS also seemed to be sheeping Grey earlier in the game yet is unwilling to eliminate Grey from a scum PoE list? Cognitive dissonance much?
* My man Zach being sensible in #1319. I think the sudden shift to drealmerz around this point is shady myself. I already hated Creature's "Lynch All Lurkers D1" mentality and it doesn't help that HS is on board with that as well. If Creature-HS-Uzi is really RB's "townbloc" then that's a really shit townbloc.
* I honestly don't know about Creature. I get a gut feeling that he's town based simply on how his posts FEEL (always a reliable indicator of something amirite?) but his Lynch All Lurkers policy being his defining trait so far is not a great sign.
* I think Debi is taking Gin's statement on RB way too narrow-mindedly in #1327. I took Gin's statement there as a blanket statement on the game, not what his personal strategy was going forward. But to each their own. TBH Debi's vote on Gin is one that seems more genuine than the others.
* My views

generally

line up with Creature's in #1344, which is a good sign. The votes on Gin by AA and Slick seem really opportunistic. The vote by Alisae seems both opportunistic and hypocritical. I trust Zach, Debi's vote seems the most genuine of the bunch (well, except for Zach), and I don't know what to think of Dunn at all.
* I agree with Ircher's #1367
* Hate Ircher's dreal vote in #1370
* Echo's Gin vote is serious crap
* #1380 thank you RB
* Dunn suddenly objecting to a Gin wagon in the form of unvoting at L-3 is awfully strange. If you're worried about the lynch reaching critical mass then why were you voting for him in the first place?
* Ayy Gin realizing in #1406 what I realized a while back praise be
* #1407 "Reaction Test" my ass. Such a test that you didn't do much in explaining the results of your test.
* Aaaaand Alisae proceeds to flail when Gin presses him on his "reaction test," or pretends to flail. Does anyone really still think this is genuine lynchbait?

So

tl;dr up to this point

:

* Slick has slipped into strong scumread category. I should have ragged on his #1065 more the first time but I got tunnel vision because Slick was anti-Alisae
* Alisae still scum
* HS still slippin
* Dunn and Echo have dropped
* Debi has risen
* Ircher, Gin, Zach still strongest townreads

I have company over so I'll have to get back to this tomorrow.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn suddenly objecting to a Gin wagon in the form of unvoting at L-3 is awfully strange. If you're worried about the lynch reaching critical mass then why were you voting for him in the first place?

There's more to it then that. I said he was towny recently.

[Dunnstral]

Sorry drealmz, *than

[drealmerz7]

I still fail to see ANY case on me

echo "gee I wonder why"

yes, I do too - care to actually layout the case as I've asked multiple people to do numerous times and no one has done ?

*yawn*

definitely reading Ircher and Creature as scums on me

don't really have much in the way of townleans at all, which is not unusual for me on a D1

I'd prefer to not claim so if some on my wagon would wise-up and GTFO that'd be swell

[Zachstralkita]

Yet you havent expressed what made him townier before you made your post about his wagon . At all

[Dunnstral]

Yet you havent expressed what made him townier before you made your post about his wagon . At all

If you can't perceive it that's ok.

[Dunnstral]

However, wraith choosing to ignore it doesn't sit well with me

[Zachstralkita]

Gin is scum dude

Thinking

Walk me through his posting - and you don't think he's been a bit towny recently?

This is where you started saying what you were saying

Gin is scum dude

Thinking

Walk me through his posting - and you don't think he's been a bit towny recently?

No wtf

Even if he has appeared as such that doesn't change the fact that our argument came to a standstill because he literally only kept generalizing my argument and misrepping my stances

The intention of this post was obviously not clear enough.. :


response

then

Hey zach buddy, why did you ignore me when I asked about gin

I responded to what you said.

I'm not going to "walk through his posting", if you refer to our argument his actions and responses cement him as scum

And after that you said nothing to contest what I said or provided any sort of opinion on what I said, which was the original topic. At all. Instead we fast forward to the part where you called me useless

Yet you havent expressed what made him townier before you made your post about his wagon . At all

If you can't perceive it that's ok.

Obviously not jackass, it's the entire point of this engagement

[Zachstralkita]

I told you the reasons for my stances - I just didn't rehash them when asked to

You didn't at all and expect us to be on the same level

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hi! I got a red pm!
Oh hey, someone is playing like shit?
Cool, let's lynch them.

Your thought process right now.

So you admit to knowing that your town playstyle is perceived as shit and you don't make an effort to improve anyways?
(Also forgot to post this last night before bed, was wondering why I got prodded when I thought I'd caught up to all my games)

[Zachstralkita]

I told you the reasons for my stances - I just didn't rehash them when asked to

"You" meaning everyone, meaning my detailed reasoning can be found somewhere, in the place I said it was

You provided nothing in the way of details after Gin unvote. Just "he's towny"

[Ircher]

can we just lynch it already it's such a negative impact on this game it can die

1) Who's "it"?
2) Why the rush when you ar on like pg 10?

[Ircher]

Alright, I'm no longer talking to Alisae for the rest of D1 but I gotta ask the town, I'm going to build a case on Echo and I truly think he's scum, however at this point I'm also willing to policy lynch Alisae as it's just D1 and hey, 50/50 chance never actually goes away.

Where did you get 50/50 from? I think we established earlier that the chances of randomly lynching scum is less than 50/50 since there is a higher number of town versus scum.

[drealmerz7]

can we just lynch it already it's such a negative impact on this game it can die

1) Who's "it"?
2) Why the rush when you ar on like pg 10?

alisae

no rush, just set to lynch by that point

some Days go fast for me on deciding who I'm comfortable lynching, I'm cool with that on D1

[Ircher]

you're nothing but a negative influence to the game

scummy enough for me

scummy != scum.

Give me the scum motivation please.

[drealmerz7]

in a word? distraction

[drealmerz7]

demoralizing, oxygen-sucking, apathy inducing distraction

[Zachstralkita]

* Aaaaand Alisae proceeds to flail when Gin presses him on his "reaction test," or pretends to flail. Does anyone really still think this is genuine lynchbait?

Ya

[ssbm_Kyouko]

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With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

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4 scum piled onto gin

lmao

no
If d7 is scum there are 1, maybe 2 scum on Gin. Scum don't just bunch together to counterwagon their buddy. The rest of the scum are on the wagons that don't matter or are not voting, or maybe even bussing but I don't think bussing right now because the wagons are still close and a bus isn't needed, scum still think they can get Gin to go through

[Ircher]

really? wow that is pathetic

there isn't even a case on me for me to defend against - I've been unenthused by the game, it's been clear, so I sit back and watch a bit and have not much to contribute until the shit stops piling up at an exponential rate

I've made less than a dozen posts or some shit, and a rising majority thinks I'm scum? absolutely pathetic, really

I'd like to hear an actual case against me

1) You haven't read the thread except to like pg 10
2) You are pushing lynchbait which is esp. bad considering #1 and the fact you haven't given quotes to support it.
3) You don't seem too interested in the direction the game goes right now.

[drealmerz7]

I was ready to wreck this game as town

enter alisae shit-post-extravaganza

passion reduced to vapors

I'm not the only one who gives less of a fuck about the game now because of all of the shit - yay for scum

p-edit :

no, I've read more of the thread now

that is not lynchbait, it just wants you to think it is

my interest is in that the lynch doesn't go in my direction

[Ircher]

ohmygod how is this shit still alive??? even if you're town you deserve to die from all the shit you spew constantly, it's hurting town SO FUCKING MUCH

I feel like my D1 reads are shit and that it'd be more harmful than good at this point - I'm more comfortable just

sitting and watch things unfold a bit more

, that doesn't make me scum

so, go ahead, you have so much shit to spew out of your fucking fingers, lay out the case on me

stop with your SHIT narrative, and actually say something with substance

We're at 70+ pages, certainly you have slightly more to say than what you are? Thats scum avoiding giving reads.

[Ircher]

No people like playing with me oddly enough.

with experience (maybe a lot), you'll get better.

I wasn't very good for th longest time.