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Post Post #58 (isolation #0) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:30 pm

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Hi, just read everything. This game makes complete sense, clearly.
One thing that especially does not make sense right now is why Mas is still breaking rules in a bastard mod setup, especially after claiming so strongly.
There's a thin line between not giving a fuck and playing in a way that might hinder us from winning. Especially until we find out how bastardy this game can get.

(Thing to note: Will have limited access Nov 1-4, organising a conference. Should still have enough to stay current with the game, but thought you all should know
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Post Post #113 (isolation #1) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:15 am

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I'm still not quite sure why we're voting for Gamma Emerald to be honest. So I'm just looking at that wagon for a second.

I mean post #73 and post #75 were not the best (so I think clumsy's vote is justified), but other votes not as much.
Don't have a read on MyM, because I think they're playing intentionally stupidly, which is frustrating.
BTD6_maker is playing in a very helpful way, so whether they're projecting or actually being really helpful doesn't matter too much, they're still definitely not the lynch for today.

Finally, karnos' vote is terrible. Admits to sheeping, and his reaction to being called out by Gamma is to question whether they know the rules, which is...just weird.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #2) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:35 pm

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Had no idea there was such a thing as vote tags, haven't played in a while. TMYK and all that.
I'm still pretty happy with my vote to be honest. I don't think all of the votes are crap, but at least two of them are.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #3) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:38 pm

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Oh, just realised my vote didn't count. VOTE: Vote: karnos
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Post Post #173 (isolation #4) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:38 pm

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Ok, so I don't write the word vote either. Technology has come so far. VOTE: karnos
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Post Post #229 (isolation #5) » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:05 am

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Yeah, mith posted about it on the FB group. It was a hosting issue, I think. Still a bit shaky for me
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Post Post #295 (isolation #6) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:02 am

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I have no idea in what world your last post is pro-town, Clumsy Phoenix.

I'm still really happy with my vote on karnos to be honest, considering he just reemerged from nowhere just to doubt tier's claim of his innocence. I'm always a bit suspicious of people who attack people for calling them innocent, always feels like they have something to prove.

I'd also really like to see the mod approved vote count at the top sometime soon.

Also, one final note, this wagon on Mas Y Menos, especially if it ends up being a yolo lynch, was a little bit (really) dumb. They're either 1) frustrating to play with 2) trying to die 3) trying to break to setup in the stupidest way possible - none of these are inherently scummy.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #7) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:44 pm

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I mean karnos is clearly the lynch now right? First he sheeps a stupid wagon, then attacks someone who called him innocent and now he pretty much OMGUSed radicalrat, who is so obv-notscum it's not even funny.
VOTE: karnos, just to make sure my vote is there, because with this game, who knows.

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Post Post #375 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:40 am

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Votecount 1.16
BTD6_Maker (6)
- Chairman, Chairman, Chairman, Chairman, Chairman, Chairman
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- Chairman, Chairman, Chairman, 123456789, Suzune
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- Radical Rat, Gamma Emerald, BTD6_Maker, ironstove
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- karnos, shos
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- Chairman, SlySly

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- FaerieLord*, Mas y Menos*


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My LA finally ended (was organising a conference, so I had limited time).

There is definitely something to be seen from the RR / stove wagons especially. I'll give those a look tomorrow morning when I wake up and start procrastinating work for the week

That said, last vote count said I'm not voting for karnos. So VOTE: karnos
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Post Post #396 (isolation #9) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:04 am

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Looked at the wagons, I'm ok with a shos wagon too. However, I'd really prefer a karnos wagon, it really seems like the kill for me today.
That said, this game needs anything that will kick it up a notch, cause it's come to a crawling halt as far as actual mafia is involved.
Honestly, anyone not posting / not pushing a wagon is a bit scummy in my eyes right now, as there is no way the current state of the game benefits town-aligned players.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:43 am

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I'm guessing I lost my vote because I fucked up the vote tags before - it would explain why Mas Y Menos isn't voting as well. I'm sure that's also a rule they broke before.
I'm going to try something else then VOTE: Shos. Let's see if this works
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Post Post #409 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:30 am

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Check my ISO, I gave my reasons for the vote. I think the rest of the wagon was just sheeping me
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Post Post #458 (isolation #12) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:50 am

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I've pretty much resigned myself to not having a vote at this point because of my earlier fuck-up.

I'm inclined to believe shos for now.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:51 am

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In post 451, karnos wrote:But I guess I should give people a chance to switch the wagon to me.

UNVOTE: Unvote
Oh...I don't know what I expected

Are these the tags? UNVOTE:
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Post Post #460 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:52 am

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(The quote was just me copying his tags, not answering him. I forgot to remove the quote. This is what being a crotchety old man feels like)

That said, karnos is still a really solid wagon. He's depressingly scummy.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #15) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:51 am

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The asterisk next to my name is gone in the vote count. Gonna try something again VOTE: Karnos

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Post Post #501 (isolation #16) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:27 am

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I feel really uncomfortable with shos ignoring the game completely just to buff up his role. There's no way that's a good thing.

@Clumsy Phoenix. Mostly because the wagon on Gamma in the beginning was opportunistic as fuck, and gave better tells then what he did. His actions were scummy, but the way people sheeped you was even worse.
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Post Post #503 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:41 am

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No, I'm on a normal level mafia strategy where I vote for people that are most scummy. His actions were marginal. The infection of how quickly people got on at the first sign of a wagon was worse.
Like, look at his actions, and then look at karnos. Everything you accuse him of doing, karnos did too and worse. But apart from that, karnos also bandwagoned at the first opportunity he got. So he's a better vote. It's pretty simple, I think.
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Post Post #584 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:14 am

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Hi, responding to Prod, sorry about that, Busy weekend for me.

I'll read this day (and the previous) tomorrow morning (so in like...12 hours hopefully)
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Post Post #590 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:19 pm

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Ok, so read everything. This game still does not make sense at all and y'all are not making it any better.

First of all, before we lynch ironstove, can we wait for karnos to tell us who he targeted night 1? Because that could really confirm ironstove's position in this game. Also, I really don't like how karnos just slow soft claimed, but before I go into more depth, I'd really like an answer from him. (Also, on that note, this game probably has more neutral factions. Even if stove is lying, it does not necessarily mean that they are scum. Killing a neutral is whatever to good, killing scum is great to great)

Secondly, tiershift lying about their results (stating they got a guilty) followed by "yeah, ok, that's what i meant, i won't claim tho", is a pretty ass way of doing things. I mean, he just got a random person to claim, and nobody is batting an eye-lid?

Thirdly, we might have a cult and nobody cares? We're letting the cultists vote ironstove and not batting an eye-lid when their win condition might be met in like...a night? (10 people left, 1 lynched, 1 killed at night = 8 people, and they're probably already at 3 people + 1 next night = 4 people. That's 50% of the player base as part of the banana revolution).

This game has really been characterised by people trying to guess rules but forgetting to play mafia.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #20) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:14 am

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In post 594, karnos wrote:
In post 590, FaerieLord wrote: First of all, before we lynch ironstove, can we wait for karnos to tell us who he targeted night 1?
Why is this so important?

Are you worried that it was you?
No, it's important because there is literally no reason for you to have soft claimed on Day 3 and not on Day 2. You outed yourself as a power role for absolutely no reason today, so I'm just very confused as to why you didn't do it yesterday.
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Post Post #597 (isolation #21) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:26 am

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Ok, I was trying to get a better answer from you, but that didn't happen and I kind of spoiled my point there, so I'm going to just clarify it

Please tell me what possible benefit there is to not claiming who you've targeted on Night 1.

If you hit town n1
- 1) We confirm that your "psychology" works (town person says "Yes, I have indeed received an ability")
- 2) We confirm that your "psychology" works the way ironstove said it did (town person says "Yes, I have indeed had the chance to make a new rule!")

If you hit scum / neutral n1 (and ironstove is town, which I believe to be the case)
- 1) We kind of have a very solid lead as to who scum / neutral is? This one should be self explanatory here.

The only way we do not get anything beneficial out of this is
- 1) You targeted a dead person (in which case, we refer to my question from the previous post)
- 2) You targeted scum / neutral, who will now go along with what ironstove said, so we have 2 "confirmed" scum / neutral.

Like think a bit about your abilities for a second. And tell me
- 1) Why did you claim?
- 2) Why did you claim TODAY (as opposed to yesterday)?

It means you're either playing badly // I'm stupid and I'm missing something obvious // you're hiding / playing at something

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Pre-post Edit (You posted before I finished my post): So you're saying you would have soft-claimed yesterday? And there's still no reason for you to not reveal your N1 action now.
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Post Post #600 (isolation #22) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:51 am

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Votecount 3.3
Snarky Snowman (2)
- 123456789, karnos
ironstove (1)
- Mas y Menos,
karnos (1)
- Chairman

Not Voting (6)
- Gamma Emerald, Clumsy Phoenix, FaerieLord, Tiershift, ironstove, CloudKicker


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In post 599, karnos wrote:On the other hand, waiting too many nights increases the chance that I will just be killed before I can share at all, which reduces my role's value to 0. I figure two nights is the sweet spot.
I'm figuring you mean three nights, not two. You've already had two nights. But yes, dying is bad, which is why soft claiming today was wholly unnecessary. And I've never seen a hedged claim (mini-claiming on one day, to make sure your value isn't 0. Except for breadcrumming, but that's shitty).
In post 598, karnos wrote:I'm not saying I would have claimed yesterday, but I see advantages to not revealing my target.

If I have two people who I have used my power on, and I question one of them about it, they can't just lie and say "oh yeah, I did get that message on night 1" - not unless they want to gamble a 50% chance of getting the night wrong.

But if I spell out exactly who I targeted and when, they can just lie if they are scum and the investigative potential is wasted.
But why did you start by soft-claiming on ironstove then? Let's look at this with a shitty logic table. If you think (not actual results, but based on your intuition),

N1 = town, N2 = town
then claiming today has no benefits (you got no interesting information)

N1 = town, N2 = scum
then asking N1 to confirm makes complete sense (they confirm ironstove (N2))

N1 = scum, N2 = town
then asking N1 would have made more sense than asking N2

N1 = scum, N2 = scum
then asking no-one and waiting for the N3 sweetspot would have made the most sense.

Your play just never makes sense to me. Unless you investigated people that you have no read on, which we both agree would not be a good move right? Or you don't trust your intuition (which you should, if you're town. Because even if you're 10% worse at catching scum as other players right now, then you still have 10% more information than other people, because you know yourself as town - you'd be playing at an above average percentage. Good bets all round).
Additionally, you're wrong about your gamble (leaving it at that).
Honestly, even this discussion shouldn't have happened. But then again, neither should you claim.

(As a side, until we figure out how the rules changed from the chairman day, we should really not be voting at all until we majority-wise decide to lynch someone. There is literally no advantage to pre-emptive voting right now. Just throw FoSes around).
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Post Post #602 (isolation #23) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:04 am

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No, I understand it, hence why I said "If you think", not "if you know". You should hopefully have intuition on the people you're investigating. My small table was explaining what you think of the people you investigate, not what they are.

But no, it's not that simple. But there is literally nothing to be gained from me explaining how it's not that simple. It wouldn't help town, but it would help scum.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #24) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:07 am

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The takeaway eitherway from all of this is

1) ironstove is definitely not the lynch;
2) scum have gotten a large advantage because of two unnecessary power-role claims (yours and tiershift); and
3) why are we not discussing the fact that someone claimed cult-leader?
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Post Post #619 (isolation #25) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:36 am

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In post 609, 123456789 wrote:
In post 603, FaerieLord wrote:The takeaway eitherway from all of this is

1) ironstove is definitely not the lynch;
2) scum have gotten a large advantage because of two unnecessary power-role claims (yours and tiershift); and
3) why are we not discussing the fact that someone claimed cult-leader?
No one claimed cult leader. Someone just mentioned a cult, that's all.
I don't know... I mean Mas Y Menos did say that they are now against the chairman after receiving your bananas or whatever
They also did say that you are a "shitty cult or whatever".
Nobody claimed cult leader, but cult leader effects were claimed from your actions

And now you have someone else from your banana posse that thinks you're the leader too. So...
Looks. Quacks. Walks. Acts.
In post 615, 123456789 wrote:VOTE: Mas y Menos
In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wow.
You do know you have to lynch the leader to get anywhere right?
Karnos is likely scum who wants to get culted into a win.
I checked with the mod and while I don't know the specifics, I will stay alive after the leader dies.
I propose we lynch 1-9 and then maybe Karnos.
VOTE: 123456789
Where did you get the karnos thing from? That'd be a pretty bold claim from his end.

(Pre-post EDIT: 1-9, why do you think the mod is lying not Gamma // Mas? Your dismissiveness is a bit weird)
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Post Post #624 (isolation #26) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:35 am

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In post 620, 123456789 wrote:@Fairie --> It's bastard, and the claims do, as you say, line up with my actions.

It's unlikely for both players I gave fruit to to be lying, so that leaves the mod is lying.
Or that you're a cult leader but don't know it. You have a hidden win condition?
Or that you're lying.

I'm willing to believe those two options above the mod lying, to be honest
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In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wow.
You do know you have to lynch the leader to get anywhere right?
Nonsense. Cult recruits one each night, you kill one each day, that keeps the cult under control. Alternativbe is to ignore it and the cult gets control of the vote and game over.
So you want to limit the pool of people we can lynch every day to the people that 1-9 chooses? You actually think this is a good idea?
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Post Post #625 (isolation #27) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:39 am

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Votecount 3.4
123456789 (4)
- 123456789, 123456789, 123456789, Gamma Emerald
Mas y Menos (3)
- karnos, 123456789, ironstove
ironstove (1)
- Mas y Menos
karnos (1)
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Not Voting (4)
- Clumsy Phoenix, FaerieLord, Tiershift, CloudKicker


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None!

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To add to my last post, your logic is wrong either way, karnos.

10 people alive // 3 cultists alive -> lynch a cultist, 1-9 elects a cultist (-0 to cultist numbers), scum kill someone (-2 people alive)
8 people alive // 3 cultists alive -> lynch a cultist, 1-9 elects a cultist (-0 again), scum kill someone (-2 people alive)
6 people alive // 3 cultists alive -> cultists have half the number, they win.

We have to lynch 1-9 today or tomorrow. I mean, I'm not sure which.
I'm just worried RR was not the only jester. What if the cult wins if we lynch their leader? Or they can only win if their leader is dead?
Bastard games are bastard.
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Post Post #627 (isolation #28) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:15 am

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karnos wrote:
In post 625, FaerieLord wrote:To add to my last post, your logic is wrong either way, karnos.

10 people alive // 3 cultists alive -> lynch a cultist, 1-9 elects a cultist (-0 to cultist numbers), scum kill someone (-2 people alive)
8 people alive // 3 cultists alive -> lynch a cultist, 1-9 elects a cultist (-0 again), scum kill someone (-2 people alive)
6 people alive // 3 cultists alive -> cultists have half the number, they win.

We have to lynch 1-9 today or tomorrow. I mean, I'm not sure which.
I'm just worried RR was not the only jester. What if the cult wins if we lynch their leader? Or they can only win if their leader is dead?
Bastard games are bastard.
Terrible logic. You are assuming the cult leader will never target scum, and you are assuming scum will never target cult member or leader.
Aware that the cult leader might target scum, sure. So it might happen on the third night from now instead of second.

As for whether scum will target cult memb / leader, they already know three of the members. They have really good odds of dodging them if they want to. I mean, I guess they kill them, but are you counting on what scum will do?


Realistically, scum kills should hit cult/town equally normalized by numbers, so as long as town counteracts the cult recruit each day cult won't overtake town.
It is possible for it to happen


Besides, what the hell is your alternative? If you don't kill a cult member every day, cult will absolutely overtake town, it's 100% guaranteed.
Kill their leader? The one who turned them, no mas y menos randomly?

In post 624, FaerieLord wrote:
So you want to limit the pool of people we can lynch every day to the people that 1-9 chooses? You actually think this is a good idea?
123456789 has nothing to do with my choice, I picked mas y menos because he was bragging about being in a cult.
Yeah, but he became part of a cult after 1-9 gave him a banana. That's why we're advocating that one, not mas y menos
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Post Post #653 (isolation #29) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:01 pm

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These votes on ironstove are weird.
I mean, I kind of figured that the die rolls had something to do with lynches too without any advanced knowledge. The way it was set up didn't make it the biggest conjecture.
Then there's Gamma's vote which is for throwing shade. Which is, well, something?
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Post Post #691 (isolation #30) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:17 am

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It's so hard to play mafia in this game. I'm not sure if people are making decisions because they're scum or they're bored
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Post Post #699 (isolation #31) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:15 am

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In post 697, ironstove wrote:
In post 691, FaerieLord wrote:It's so hard to play mafia in this game. I'm not sure if people are making decisions because they're scum or they're bored
If you're referring to me, I'm bored. Nobody is posting, scum can win as far as I care because they're a bunch of shit can lurkers who don't want to play this game anyway. It's not even a real game if it continues on like this.
I mean, if it were just you, I'd have called you out on it specifically.

It's loads of people.
Like, people were going to lynch someone, then that person suggested someone else, and now there's a wagon on this someone else.
In what world do people go from wanting to lynch someone to jumping on that person's wagon.

It's really hard to play this game and I can't read people for shit when nobody is invested.
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Post Post #710 (isolation #32) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:00 am

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#Imwithhim

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Post Post #738 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:09 am

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Yeah, I'm pretty in favour of Mass claims as well.

Also, whoever's voting is being really shitty at this game right now, for the same reasons as yesterday.
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Post Post #744 (isolation #34) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:43 pm

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I'd really like it if everyone started posting before anyone actually claims though + we found a replacement for stove.
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Post Post #759 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:18 am

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FoS: Cloudkicker
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If his next post isn't a claim / asking to be replaced out, I'll be more than happy to lynch.
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Post Post #804 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:10 am

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VOTE: CloudKicker Prod-Dodged, didn't claim again.

Also, @MathBlade: No. You probably have some weird ability that allows you to revive rules or something.
Not sure why you're being so intentionally disruptive in what is a Lylo situation.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:51 am

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Holy shit, I thought Mas y Menos were annoying. Boy, was I wrong.
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Post Post #842 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:47 am

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In post 839, TierShift wrote:That's bullshit. The mod would have announced that cult members would revert to their original wincon.
Snarky did say that. Bolding relevant part from the post you quoted.

"All remaining Usurper Recruits will be given a new role, possibly their old role and possibly not.
They are guaranteed to return to their original alignment.
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Post Post #848 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:23 am

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Who we lynch tomorrow depends on cloud, to be honest.

Also, I really don't like that Clumsy is testing the mod, joking or not.
I don't think we get anything out of that
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Post Post #869 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:03 am

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VOTE: Reveal Voting Rules
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Post Post #899 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:58 am

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Hi, firstly, I'm going to have very limited access today and tomorrow, I have a master's thesis deadline due on the 30th. Stress and all that.

Secondly, I'm not Scum or Roleblocker. I'm a kill-immune ascetic, except on days (and subsequent nights) when I break a rule. Which should explain why I was so gang-ho with karnos' soft claim in Day 3 - a no result on me might have been the cause of no-rulebreaking, which would get two town people killed (me by lynch, him by scumkill). I even tried to domineer discussion a lot that day, hoping to attract scum shooting at me, but holy shit that soft claim made me angry.

Not sure what to make of the claims to be honest. Inclined to believe MathBlade's claim especially since they would only know the rule they made up + karnos said his ability only worked on town.

Find it a bit hard to believe that ClumsyPhoenix was RBed every night, when there were powerful abilities like a karnos // tiershift. That's a big gambit to hedge on for scum.
Gamma's role also changed from the whole MasyMenos debacle, so it's really hard to trace whether it makes sense with their play.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #42) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:08 pm

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In post 900, MathBlade wrote: Kill immune ascetic seems OP for Town. And why did you not claim ascetic?
I don't get your question. Do you mean why did I claim KI ascetic over ascetic? Or why did I not claim ascetic earlier?

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FaerieLord, you say you aren't scum. You didn't say you were town. Are you the third party then?
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Nope. Town.
In post 905, Clumsy Phoenix wrote:Also, FaerieLord, the key nights for blocking were N2 (we should have gotten a result but got none, and last night. Tiershift having a strong role doesn't matter, because they were the night kill. Tracker with 1 scum left is pretty much a cop, so if you are a scum roleblocker (or anyone else is), blocking me was the correct play.
Right, but scum didn't know you did nothing on N3. They either randomly targeted you three times and not N3, or made a concentrated effort to target you every night. If it's the latter, that's a lot of eggs in one basket. I mean, they could've, though I find it more likely that
if you're town
it was your role being bastardy.
In post 926, SnarkySnowman wrote:FaerieFire prod timer relaxed so they can get their thesis or whatever it was done; prodding at 3 days, not 2.
Thanks for that! Submitted it in time and everything, now I have a lot of time to waste.
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Post Post #931 (isolation #43) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:09 pm

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Fucked up the quotes. In the second quote block, there's some text that's mine too.
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Post Post #933 (isolation #44) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:10 am

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What? Why? That makes no sense, especially in a bastard mod setup.
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Post Post #935 (isolation #45) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:12 am

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Miller makes perfect sense because it's giving wrong results. I'm giving no results. That's a major difference.
Apart from that, Miller can only have one person getting bad results (there isn't often more than 1 cop role). Anyone with a PR can confirm me.

So no, I disagree with your theory crafting. Claiming an early power role is the wrong call, cause if someone called a result on me in a heavy power role based game like this one, then I'd have had a good chance of having caught scum.
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Post Post #966 (isolation #46) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:42 pm

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In post 936, MathBlade wrote:
In post 935, FaerieLord wrote:Miller makes perfect sense because it's giving wrong results. I'm giving no results. That's a major difference.
Apart from that, Miller can only have one person getting bad results (there isn't often more than 1 cop role). Anyone with a PR can confirm me.

So no, I disagree with your theory crafting. Claiming an early power role is the wrong call, cause if someone called a result on me in a heavy power role based game like this one, then I'd have had a good chance of having caught scum.
...That isn't how that works. It isn't my theory crafting. It is years of site crafting.

Anyone with a PR who could have could also just be blocked. The fact you are claiming it now is sketchy as fuck. There is no way you are town.

VOTE: FairieLord
Yeah, I haven't played a game of mafia on this site in years. Excuse me for not being up to date with the site craft. Not even sure if I ever encountered an ascetic before (outside of scumchat or something).
Yeah, what's your point? A cop can be blocked, making them unable to confirm their ability too. Should they claim their ability D1 too?

Like even if you're right that ascetic should claim D1 (which I don't agree with), you're basing your vote off of me not knowing how to play my role.

Going to double post soon re: some of the recent posts.
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Post Post #967 (isolation #47) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:24 pm

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In post 940, MathBlade wrote:
In post 937, Clumsy Phoenix wrote:So Math wanted us to vote multiple times on one person, which the voting rules that were revealed show would have turned all of the votes on us, killing us instantly. Math was also super against showing the voting rules. Math was trying to get us killed off without anyone knowing why. Care to explain?
Did before.

I did not think CK was scum and cards were stacked against town and I was Town doc so if I made a case and sounded townie I would then be killed and then chance to get out of this hole gone as I am Town doc. So I made sure my reads were known and said Gamma was my top read (TierShift was second) as a hint I would protect Gamma that night. It was the best I could do to catch scum and not be too townie that I could think of. If you lynched yourself and I was wrong I would have reevaluated my reads that night.
Why did you decide to protect Gamma over the pretty much confirmed power role? (Since their abilities was confirmed pretty well in the flavour text). That's a pretty insane town read you have on Gamma to decide it's worth forgoing our confirmed PR.
In post 959, Clumsy Phoenix wrote:WRT your last post, math, We know that the cult either started with 2 or 1, as Gamma was "returned to previous alignment" and they were the only 3. If they started with 2, Scum was either 3 (In which case, we would be endgamed) or 1 (In which case they are eliminated,, and there is no spot in that distribution for the Mod unless he is slotted in with some other faction for some reason). Neither of these scenarios are possible, and therefore the distribution -has- to be a mod lie.
Could it be that Gamma was returned to their previous alignment, which was still cult member? So the cult started with 1-9 & Gamma, MasyMenos was recruited, cult disbanded, Gamma "returned" to third party.
And speaking of, where is Gamma right now? Their contributions today seem to have been very cursory.


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Since we're close to deadline, here are my reads right now

Clumsy Phoenix: Really conflicted because they're playing most pro-town in this game, but their claim sucks ass. I just can't see scum roleblocking the same person every night, especially since Clumsy Phoenix didn't seem obv-powerrole-town early on in the game.

MathBlade: The only reason I think they're town is because it fits karnos' role really well. They tried to take advantage of the voting rule which only they knew (because they made it), and karnos said his ability only works on town factions. Otherwise, the fact that they tried to turn into Day-Vigs while denying town their lynch, the fact that they deflected away from the Cloud lynch, which was a really solid one, as well as the fact that ironstove was generally not the least scummy player in the game, would make them a very solid contender for last scum.

If someone can provide a solid reason as to how MathBlade could abuse what Karnos gave them, I'd be really up to hear it, because now, as far as scum reads go, I'm a bit confused.

Gamma: There are a lot of things I don't like. The fact that they had a part in outing the cult, claiming the same role as a role that previously existed, claiming that they got a new role which pretty much does nothing, their general lack of solid contributions to playing mafia (look at their iso, it's a bit sad). Gut wise, they haven't seemed scummy, but that's probably cause they've been very under the radar.

If I were to currently guess, I'd say Gamma scum, Clumsy Phoenix neutral, Mathblade Town. If someone can provide a reason as to how Mathblade knew the rule while we didn't, it'd go to what I feel more strongly about which is Math scum, Gamma neutral, Clumsy Town.

As with usual, I'll put votes on when I have to.
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Post Post #971 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:07 am

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In post 968, Clumsy Phoenix wrote:@FaerieLord
In post 897, MathBlade wrote:And I was trying to get you to lynch yourself since I thought Cloudkicker was Town. Rule 18 was the rule my slot made up.

There's also one thing you're forgetting about with our claim. We don't have any information, true, but we only had to be blocked for 1 night if you're telling the truth, not every night. You're ascetic, remember? So we wouldn't see you going anywhere last night.
Not sure what you're showing me with the Mathblade quote. I know they made up the rule, but it's because Karnos gave them the ability to make up the rule. And Karnos' ability only worked on town. Am I missing something?

Gamma, 1-9, no one, me. You're right.

Although two things still annoy me about your claim
1) forgetting to use your ability one night, especially since the mod was being pretty generous with nights.
2) Is that the first time you claimed you were being RBed was when karnos started softclaiming. You chimed in with the "please stop roleblocking us :(" post (iso 38).

I'm also still really iffy about the fact that Gamma's role changed in the middle of the game, in case you tracked him last night.


In post 970, MathBlade wrote:@FairieLord -- Doctor is a game of wifom. Like the chairman can confirm postgame I waffled more than WaffleHouse on who to protect. I thought at the end TierShift was too obvious so went with Gamma and started crumbing.

A cop doesn't claim because it doesn't interfere with results. It is only those that interfere with results should claim.

I believe you haven't played a game here in years. It I don't believe you wouldn't claim it and I don't believe even if you wouldn't claim it that Town would have that OP. Power.
Sure, it is a game of wifom. But sometimes bluffing is less worth it than protecting the obvious role. (Also if you crumbed, waffling around at night doesn't make too much sense. It beats the points of crumbing).

So... millers, ascetics, roleblockers, redirectors, any role in a game with hidden information (what if the cop was unknowingly to them unreliable if they broke a rule?). Perhaps we should've started this game with a mass claim. Karnos' role could have affected all the results if someone made a rule that all night actions directed at them would be randomised. D1 claim material right there. I'm sorry, even if it is site meta (don't know, don't care), I really don't see ascetics claiming D1.

I won't address what you believe I would do (because that's a really silly argument of "no u"). I don't believe town would replace into a day and trying to get people to lynch themselves with a rule only they know.

But as to whether the ability is OP. Do you actually think a conditional kill-immune ascetic is broken in a game with a scum team, a neutral team and a non-teamed neutral? What? My role, at best, stopped one ability at night - Clumsy's, despite trying my best to put myself in the centre of attention D2. I have been utterly useless during the nights. On the other hand we had a role that can make new rules (which I couldn't get), and a role cop that proves itself every morning (which could probably not confirm me), as well as roles that grow more powerful every time they guess rules. I'd have taken any of those in those in this game. Even your WIFOM waffling doctor role would have had more of an impact than this shit. I'd've killed to be more useful in this game, when everybody was trying to guess rules instead of playing mafia.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #49) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:03 am

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In post 973, MathBlade wrote:Wow. Now you are just throwing shade.

You said Karnos's ability would only work on Town making me conf town then you say I am not Town.

Vote stays.
What? Read my post again. I said that if I understood the way it worked correctly, then you're town. I also said that other than karnos' confirmation, you've seemed scummy to me. I am not saying you're not Town. I am saying that the only thing that makes me think you're town is the karnos thing, which is plenty enough reason to place you as the only town slot in this game. Which I did.
In post 985, Clumsy Phoenix wrote:Alright, now that -that- is out of the way. I want all 3rd parties to claim. Like, now. I want everyone to post, and if you are a third party that post needs to contain a claim of that much. If you are a Survivor, now is the -perfect- time. I want full roleclaims, and Faerie I want you to explain your "Kill proof ascetic". Why do you think that we would have seen an action if you weren't ascetic? If you are -only- kill-proof ascetic then you wouldn't ever show an action anyhow, because you don't have an action. It's suspicious.
In post 994, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Unvote

Honestly I'd probably hammer anyone who isn't me as I'm pretty sure I'm dying tonight and the rest of you are scums.
From the way you and your head have been talking, it's been implied that you got no results not "They did nothing". As an ascetic, you might get no result. As a non-ascetic, you might get "They did nothing".
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Post Post #996 (isolation #50) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:04 am

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My last message was directed at quote 2. I pressed quote 3 because I was using multiquote but I forgot to remove it.
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Post Post #998 (isolation #51) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:49 am

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You're being obtuse for no reason now. I was clearly referring to my previous post where I placed you as the only town slot.
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #52) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:38 pm

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I posted my thoughts on Gamma already in one of my long posts. Already said they'd be my lynch.
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #53) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:31 am

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Do we have an actual deadline date?
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #54) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:50 pm

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In post 1005, Clumsy Phoenix wrote:Nope, it's one of the bastard things In This game. Scares me to death that we are gonna no lynch.
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Any objections to me lynching? Going once...
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #55) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:19 pm

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Ok, yeah, lynch it is.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #56) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:42 pm

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It could also be that scum didn't believe / forgot my KI claim and tried shooting me. Just throwing that out there since I know I'm not scum and yet no one's dead. (I also doubt that scum would no-kill, so there's that).

I'm just really confused at this point though.
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #57) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:00 am

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In post 1025, Clumsy Phoenix wrote:I could go into a big list and rundown all the possibilities in this game and what the outcomes of them would be, but I'll bring up another point that may make it a bit more concise.

How exactly do we get a lynch on anyone but Snarky? We require 3 votes. If it was us three, I would be going for FaerieLord. But even if Math voted with us, it's not like Faerie would self hammer.

So 1 of 3 things has to happen.

-Figure out how to get Snarky's vote onto FaerieLord
-Hope FaerieLord breaks a rule resulting in a vote being put on himself
-Lynch Snarky


¯\_(°_o)_/¯
It takes 2 to lynch, not 3. So there's that.
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #58) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:49 am

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In post 1029, MathBlade wrote:And FairieLord assuming this is a three person and not a four person game where would you vote? In other words assume mod is lying about 4 alive
Clumsy, I guess. I still have no reason to believe karnos lied about their role. So that doesn't leave a lot of options.
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In post 1025, Clumsy Phoenix wrote:
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Who is "us"?
I assume "us" is the fact that they're a hydra account.
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:40 am

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VOTE: Clumsy Phoenix.

That's the issue. I don't really have a case against Clumsy. In the last few days, Clumsy was my foremost "least-scummy" read. You're just conf-town though, both through Karnos' ability and through the fact that you didn't hammer me now either to finish the game. So that makes them scum by default (unless bastard game is bastard).

So yeah, you do you. There isn't much value in prolonging this game.
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #60) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:40 am

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Sorry didn't contribute at all today to the discussion, shit day. I don't have a lot to add either way. I'm equally confused by the lack of night kill, but the more weird theories start coming about, the more confused I get about the game in general.

@Math: I'm not third party either. So make a call. The only other thing you should note to be honest is the first time Clumsy Phoenix mentions that there might be a roleblocker stopping them - after the entire discussion I had with Karnos about their shitty soft claim. Feels like a clear out: "Oh no, didn't get to make a new rule, you must have been blocked"
In post 1050, Clumsy Phoenix wrote: Also, notice in Faerie's ISO, Cloudkicker is referenced only twice, when he was threatening to (and then did) vote him for not claiming. He mentions Suzune (Cloud's predecessor) 0 times. I fall into the trap of never talking about my scum mate(s) a lot, and I think that's what that is too.
You never talked about Suzune either. Just an FYI. Your only interaction with Suzune is clarifying a mod-rule.
As for cloud, they didn't do much until the whole "nope, not gonna claim. never. nope" during the mass claim. Which is when you started mentioning them, as I did. Before that, your only interaction with cloud was telling them to post.

So yeah, two scenarios possible
1) they were unremarkable players that did nothing in the game of note
2) your scum tell is a scum tell about you.
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #61) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:17 am

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Ok, so do you want us to vote for the mod too?
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #62) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:29 am

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Just as an FYI as to why I didn't night kill Math last night. I thought doctors could self proc. Whoops

This game was characterised by which faction played worst, not best. Holy shit so many people fucked up in this game, me included.
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #63) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:53 am

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It certainly put a lot of reliance on Karnos, who kind of royally fucked up with the soft claim. I was mad at him, and I was scum!
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #64) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:14 pm

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Yeah, Karnos cured ironstove.

So wait, did ironstove make up the fact that they made a new rule? Or did they also get to make up a new rule?
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