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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:34 pm

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Confirming!
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Post Post #46 (isolation #1) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:54 pm

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In post 41, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Frankly the list is pretty clear of VIs as far as I can see.
You only think that because you haven't played with me yet.
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Post Post #53 (isolation #2) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:05 pm

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^ why?
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Post Post #55 (isolation #3) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:07 pm

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@Dunn my guess is possibility of a vig. Why bother to bring it up?
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Post Post #57 (isolation #4) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:13 pm

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Why do you think scum wouldn't have been given safeclaims with their role?
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Post Post #62 (isolation #5) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:19 pm

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Interesting. Care to explain?
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Post Post #67 (isolation #6) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:25 pm

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@SpyreX You're missing nothing, really.

Dunn is reaction testing. Still on the fence as to whether he's scum or town.
camn is probably scum.
Not sure on SpyreX currently.
LLD has lynch immunity from me for today. Mostly because I find her suffering amuses me.
MoI is extremely strong gut town.
Not factoring kraska's claim into reading her.
Socrates is meh.


p-edit ok yeah camn is scum lol.

VOTE: camn
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Post Post #71 (isolation #7) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:28 pm

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In post 65, camn wrote:
In post 46, JaeReed wrote:
In post 41, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Frankly the list is pretty clear of VIs as far as I can see.
You only think that because you haven't played with me yet.
Read: I plan to play real scummy cuz I'm scum but I warned you so haha haha
This is an incredible reach.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #8) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:33 pm

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Actually, you were mildly below my null line anyway. What I perceived as sheeping of Dunn's bad vote just solidified it. Then you decided to reach to make up reasoning for your vote.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #9) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:34 pm

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In post 72, camn wrote:Of course it's a reach! It's page 3 work with me here.

Although whenever the person I vote immediately calls me scum and counter votes....I feel like I'm probably on the right track.
Furthermore, if you admit that it's a reach, then you can understand why I perceive your vote as possibly scum motivated. You've effectively disarmed your own argument here. :neutral:
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Post Post #85 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:43 pm

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In post 73, SpyreX wrote:
In post 67, JaeReed wrote:@SpyreX You're missing nothing, really.

Dunn is reaction testing. Still on the fence as to whether he's scum or town.
camn is probably scum.
Not sure on SpyreX currently.
LLD has lynch immunity from me for today. Mostly because I find her suffering amuses me.
MoI is extremely strong gut town.
Not factoring kraska's claim into reading her.
Socrates is meh.


p-edit ok yeah camn is scum lol.

VOTE: camn
This is bad and i dont like it

Why do you not bother saying anything about krasksa actual alignment but actually give words on socrates
I figured it was fairly obvious that I don't really have good thoughts on kraska or socrates yet. If I had to say something about kraska right now it's that I distrust the claim because I feel like she would know perfectly well what I miller is and I don't like that she added "or something" to the end of that post. Still null, though. I'll read her based on her content, since I can't read her well based off her emotions. Socrates is also null, essentially. His confirm felt stiff to me but a quick meta dive confirms that his posting style is gonna feel stiff to me.

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Post Post #86 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:44 pm

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In post 83, Socrates wrote:
In post 67, JaeReed wrote:@SpyreX You're missing nothing, really.
Socrates is meh.
I would love to know what this is about, seeing as how I hadn't posted yet.

I would see it as premature scum trying to say something about their partner earlier than they actually need to, but it's about me???
Answered this in my previous thing. I also read into confirmations. Sue me.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #12) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:49 pm

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In post 0, DiamondSentinel wrote:There are confirmed to be 2 factions in this game. Not-Quite-Assholes and Assholes. Their win-conditions are simplified (they are expounded upon later in the rules), but are as follows in the role PMs.
Not-Quite-Assholes - You win when all Assholes are out of the game, or nothing can prevent this from occurring.
Assholes - You win when you control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this from happening.
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In post 67, JaeReed wrote:Dunn is reaction testing.
No I wasn't - your abrupt "yeah maybe there's a vig" looked scummy to me and it also doesn't make sense from my perspective

Like, you just assumed that the vig would be the third kill in order to kill 3 people at once? why did you assume there was 2 scum factions/a sk or the like
I can assure you I assumed no such thing. I assumed a vig might be in the game based on the wording, and I did not assume there would be 3 kills.

My thought at the time was 3 way, lynch vt, left with goon vs vig. Technically they'd both die at night.

Didn't read the maf wincon on my first skim tho. Just realized that wouldn't work because they'd win with the lynch instantly I think.
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Post Post #92 (isolation #13) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:52 pm

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In post 87, kraska77 wrote:But iaminnoceny and pisskoppu haven't posted yet either so why did you feel the need to single Socrates out
In post 88, kraska77 wrote:Oh and vert
And nacho
What?

Socrates had posted to confirm.

I don't have reads on people who haven't posted at all, so I'm not going to mention them.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #14) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:53 pm

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In post 84, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Vote: Jaereed
In post 91, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I would like to propose we turbo lynch JaeReed.

I'd like to see a corpse before page 10, folks.

Can we make this happen?
Is this because I found your suffering over the post restriction amusing? :P
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Post Post #105 (isolation #15) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:10 pm

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In post 97, Socrates wrote:Is JaeReed typically low-hanging fruit? Because he looks like standard issue low-hanging fruit to me. I guess he did specifically call
himself
out as being such, huh? Blah.

Also, periods are stiff. Noted.

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@MOD:
What should our expectations be re:vote counts?

MOD: Umm, similar to the one I just posted. Nothing too fancy. I hate BBCode enough, so I won't be doing fancy ones like Ircher does.
I am never low-hanging fruit. I never called myself lhf either. I've only been mislynched twice. One of those times town was actually legit awful and couldn't have correctly identified town even if the mod announced them as an innocent child. The other time was replacing into a badly read slot that was being pushed by scum!RC.

Periods aren't stiff. I just like to gut/tone read early game. Your confirmation didn't ping me as town like for example, Magna's. I went for a meta dive on both you and SpyreX and came to the conclusion it probably didn't mean anything major. Which is generally par for the course.
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Post Post #106 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:13 pm

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In post 102, camn wrote:Socrates
I don't totally disagree- they might just be bait... But I certainly am not overwhelmed by Jae's townieness.
Plus I'm trying to #MakeMs.netGreatAgain....starting by powerlynching all VIs.
Again, I am never lynchbait.

When I get lynched as town it is for one of two reasons.

1) Town is playing awfully and will definitely lose.
2) A stronger player that is scum is pushing my lynch.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:13 pm

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In post 103, SpyreX wrote:This is Charlie Brown and the football all over again
Not sure what you're referencing here? Elaborate?
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Post Post #108 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:15 pm

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In post 101, kraska77 wrote:
In post 92, JaeReed wrote:Socrates had posted to confirm.
That's not really any different from not posting at all
It most certainly is.

Even a post that seemingly says nothing can be analyzed, especially in context. A complete lack of posting generally just means the person hasn't gotten to the thread yet.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:21 pm

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{camn, LLD}

@LUV Any mod worth his salt will make the flavor not be AI.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:21 pm

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Why are you both not focusing on the more concerning part of the post? LOL
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Post Post #116 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:25 pm

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In post 109, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Checking in.

I'm not familiar with any of the flavor but I feel like it could be indicative of alignment in some way. I'll try to read up on it sometime tomorrow.

Taking all of the claims so far with a grain of salt. I think Lady's post restriction thing might be legit though. Seems like it would be very hard to fake but
at the same time it's a convenient excuse for lack of content.


Am I missing something with Camn and Jae? Saw a few votes on them and didn't really see anything too scummy.
The bolded, for clarification.

Not once has LLD used it as an excuse for lack of content.

p-edit: hmmmm Spyrex can go up a tier
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Post Post #120 (isolation #22) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:33 pm

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In post 118, kraska77 wrote:Hey guys camn needs more votes
The way she approached jae shows she's not interested in pressing them for content
Instead of poking jae about the weird comments on Socrates, all she does is call jae scum
You have no idea how uneasy you're making me right now given the last game we played together.
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Post Post #124 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:37 pm

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In post 115, Socrates wrote:Oh boy, if pre-game joking reads as town to you, then we are not going to get along at ALL.
Given your list of words you don't like being used in your sig... I kinda already figured!

What are your thoughts on the gamestate so far?
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Post Post #127 (isolation #24) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:43 pm

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In post 122, kraska77 wrote:
In post 120, JaeReed wrote:
In post 118, kraska77 wrote:Hey guys camn needs more votes
The way she approached jae shows she's not interested in pressing them for content
Instead of poking jae about the weird comments on Socrates, all she does is call jae scum
You have no idea how uneasy you're making me right now given the last game we played together.
Sorry I was really horribly manipulative that game and I'm never playing like that as scum again coz it felt like shit and made the game unfun
<3 You're fine. I'm sorry the win felt tainted for you. I feel you did earn it despite that, if it's any consolation.
In post 123, kraska77 wrote:But I don't see how anything in doing here bears any resemblance to what I did There
You defended my slot there as well. I don't think you went quite as hard though. I don't even know if it's worth being concerned over because it's possible it's less defending me and more pursuing a scumread. I might just be being jumpy over nothing.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:06 pm

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In post 128, Socrates wrote:
JaeReed wrote:
In post 115, Socrates wrote:Oh boy, if pre-game joking reads as town to you, then we are not going to get along at ALL.
Given your list of words you don't like being used in your sig... I kinda already figured!

What are your thoughts on the gamestate so far?
I like that you asked me a direct question!

I don't like that I like it so much. :? You said you did a quick meta dive on me, correct? Am I that easy to read?
Why don't you like that you like it?

I did, but I was just skimming for whether your general posts would come off as stiff early game to me. Conclusion was that you confirming that way was NAI and I should probably focus on your content. For example, reading a highly emotional player confirming so stiffly would indicate to me that the person is most likely concerned in some way over their alignment/role. My guess is you're probably more on the logical side than emotional when playing. I could be wrong, but.

I don't find you easy to read. If I found you easy to read then I wouldn't have asked for your thoughts on the gamestate as an attempt to engage you.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:26 pm

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TIL "meh" accounts to an actual read.

And no, camn is voting me for joking that I am a VI. Apparently that implies I was saying I'd play like scum.

Also, I didn't leave kraska off the list. She was there. I just said I wasn't reading into the claim. Socrates was "meh" because all I had to go off was the confirmation comment, which was null. Kraska got a bit more on why I didn't have a read yet because she had posted something more in thread.
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Post Post #136 (isolation #27) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:31 pm

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In post 132, camn wrote:kraska-
I don't think Jae needs to be pressed for more content. He seems pretty prolific rn. That's a weird thing to demand.

Of course...now that you bring it up... I don't see
you
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me
for content. You are just asking for more votes and stuff, right?
I don't think that is scummy, really. But you apparently do?
Out of curiosity, what do you think kraska could have pressed you on that I hadn't already done?

You ignored my rebuttal that your argument was shit even by your own standards. So you effectively shut down and went back to sheeping other player's opinions by agreeing with someone else that I might be low hanging fruit.

Which is all I feel I've seen you do all game. Sheep other's opinions. Which would be null, except for the fact that you're doing it in a way that makes me feel as though you don't want them to realize you're doing it.
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Post Post #138 (isolation #28) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:34 pm

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In post 103, SpyreX wrote:VOTE: jawreed

This is Charlie Brown and the football all over again
Just looked up the reference (and yes I know of Charlie Brown, I just never read most of it).

Why did you perceive what was happening there to be reminiscent of that strip?
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Post Post #139 (isolation #29) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:36 pm

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In post 102, camn wrote:But I certainly am not overwhelmed by Jae's townieness.
In saying this did you mean to imply you found some people to be giving off strong town vibes by this stage in the game? If so, who and why?
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Post Post #142 (isolation #30) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:45 pm

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In post 112, JaeReed wrote:{Magna, Dunnstral}
{Socrates}
{kraska, SpyreX, Lil Uzi}
{camn, LLD}

@LUV Any mod worth his salt will make the flavor not be AI.
This list is meh now that I'm rereading. LLD's comments aren't necessarily showing scum motivation this early in the game. I think that was partial omgus.

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Post Post #144 (isolation #31) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:56 pm

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In post 137, Socrates wrote:
In post 131, JaeReed wrote: Why don't you like that you like it?

I did, but I was just skimming for whether your general posts would come off as stiff early game to me. Conclusion was that you confirming that way was NAI and I should probably focus on your content. For example, reading a highly emotional player confirming so stiffly would indicate to me that the person is most likely concerned in some way over their alignment/role. My guess is you're probably more on the logical side than emotional when playing. I could be wrong, but.

I don't find you easy to read. If I found you easy to read then I wouldn't have asked for your thoughts on the gamestate as an attempt to engage you.
See, you referenced my list of Words I Don't Like in a negative way, but not only have you not used any of those words, you also seem to have access to my secret list of Words That I Love To Hear.

Gamestate
Engage
Thoughts

And so on. I love it when someone engages me directly, and you are saying exactly the things that would appeal to my personal ego, and you started doing it rather abruptly.

You did all this, yet you failed to comment on how
I
failed to actually answer your question.

Is... Is SpyreX telling you what to say?
Didn't know you had words you like to hear. Just that I tend to use a lot of the words you hate in my games. My style of speech sometimes changes depending on who I'm talking to, so maybe that's what happened there?

I noted you didn't answer my question. I was unsure whether you thought you were answering my question by stating that you liked me asking you a question, as technically that is a comment on something in the game, though not necessarily the gamestate as a whole. I decided to do a reread and see if I could find anything particular I wanted to prod you about rather than jump down your throat over what could possibly be miscommunication.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #32) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:59 pm

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In post 141, camn wrote:Jae- your jokes earned my vote.
Your reactions kept it.

And the fact that you don't know about Charlie Brown and his football? Unforgivable

Townies? Spyrex.

FYI - I'm about to get in a plane, so I'll be away for 5 hours. Since constant amazinness is the expectation, I thought I'd announce :/
Why were you townreading SpyreX over everyone else at that point in the game?

I don't believe anyone stated that they expected constant posting.

What reactions did you dislike? Why are they scum indicative?
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Post Post #149 (isolation #33) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:01 pm

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In post 143, camn wrote:Where as your feelings on me are total OMGUS?
Not at all.

I already stated that you were below null before your vote on me.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #34) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:02 pm

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In post 145, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why the TR on Magna?
Gut. I liked his confirmation and the joking. That's all.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #35) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:27 pm

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K.. Update!

Spoiler: Socrates
Strongest townread now. Shows paranoia that I feel would be hard for scum to fake, especially at this early stage. He also appeared to be attempting to understand my point of view, even if in the end he did place a vote on me that reads kinda policy/pre-flip. I feel like his concern over being buddied is potentially genuine and not contrived at this stage.


Spoiler: Dunnstral
Strong town. His vote on me being serious and the explanation for it vibes with me. He's also someone who I have a fair bit of experience with at this stage and he correctly read me at a point where I'd have expected him to if he's town. As scum I would have expected him to stick with the scumread as the wagon was gaining traction.


Spoiler: kraska77
Strong town. Might be biased here by the push on camn, but honestly, I liked that she questioned me while voting camn, and I felt like her viewpoint on my Socrates read being off was genuine (as in, I believe that she believes that a one word confirmation post is equivalent to not having posted at all).

I like that she tried to push the camn wagon and stated about camn not engaging me as it's pushing for camn to do so, which nets us more content.

I also like that in she attempted to help me understand what could possibly be a misunderstanding in case we're both town. There's no reason for scum to try and bridge the gap like that, I feel.


Spoiler: MagnaofIllusion
Soft town. I liked the early joking as it feels like someone who isn't concerned with his alignment or how others perceive what he's saying early on. I liked him prodding kraska for a flavor claim when she claimed miller, and his questioning of LLD's posts as it feels like he was questioning her motives for posting what she did.


Spoiler: Lil Uzi Vert
Not a clue. Need a little more time to sort whether he's genuine or not. His accusations tend to feel like a reach to me, but I know from recent experience that I can feel that way with him when he's town.


Spoiler: SpyreX
Not entirely sure. I disliked the instant acceptance of the miller claim, yet I liked / for light paranoia, but I don't think it's a level that would be difficult to fake as scum, either.

I still don't understand his reasoning for his vote on me, which I'd love for him to elaborate on so I could perhaps get a better read on him.


Spoiler: Lady Lambdadelta
No idea. I'm trying to give some leeway here due to the posting restriction but I dislike that she has made zero attempt to engage me.

The push for a flash lynch is either NAI or scum indicative but I can't tell which without having a deeper understanding of her playstyle, I think. Which I don't have. So she's another one that I feel I need more time to sort.


Spoiler: camn
I disliked her sheeping of opinions without trying to appear like she was sheeping. I dislike her lack of engagement. I do not believe her vote on me is genuine by this stage.

To elaborate on this: Magna's which she sheeped his viewpoint in her .
Dunnstral's vote on me was instantly sheeped (/) which was then followed up by reachy reasoning in , which she admits to being a reach in , yet still is stuck on me for whatever reason.

I agree with kraska that I don't feel she's genuinely trying to sort me, nor do I believe she's reading my posts with the intent of doing so, as in I stated that I had camn below the null line before she voted me, which I believe would have been a perfect thing for her to follow up on as town. Instead, she pretty much ended that conversation with my by shutting down communication. Half a page later, she supports a quicklynch on me (/) despite having not further engaged after having her argument seemingly rebutted.

/ is another example of the sheeping of other's opinions while trying to look like not sheeping.
I want follow up for why she stated SpyreX as a strong townread in in response to my question of who she found townie at the time she said I was not.
can get benefit of the doubt as I can plausibly see her thinking that if town, but I did state that my sr of her began before her vote on me, and she didn't engage with that, and I feel like dismissing my vote as omgus is just a way to attempt to discredit my read on her.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #36) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:33 pm

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@Socrates Your entire premise here is flawed in that it's built off SpyreX being scum, and if you feel he's scum that strongly then you should be voting for him, not me.

Imagine I get revealed as Innocent Child right now. What would that tell you about SpyreX? Nothing.
Now imagine SpyreX gets revealed as Innocent Child. Suddenly I can't be his partner. In that situation would you stay on me or move your vote? If you'd stay on me then there has to be more to your vote than believing that I was being coached on what to say in scum chat.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #37) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:02 pm

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In post 154, kraska77 wrote:
In post 0, DiamondSentinel wrote:
MagnaofIllusion

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I feel good about the names striked
At this point, willing to wagon everyone else ^_^
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Post Post #169 (isolation #38) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:23 pm

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In post 167, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Might be because of how Jae couldn't I guess the see town motivation in Camn's attempt at pressuring.
My vote originally was less about the attempt at pressure by voting me and more about my perception of her playing being sheeping the opinions of others while trying to hide that that's what she's doing. The fact that she cited a bad reason for the vote, then refused to back off once I proved her reasoning to be reachy even by her own standards indicates to me that she's got no intention of genuinely trying to sort me. Even after I put out actual content I don't feel like she was trying to get a read on me.

I could very well be wrong, which is why I'm wanting more from her on slots that aren't me, because I might better be able to figure out whether her reads are genuine when they don't involve me.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #39) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:58 pm

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Ok, what do you think about the rest of my case on her?

You've already commented on the gamestate somewhat so do you have any reads from that?
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Post Post #173 (isolation #40) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:22 pm

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What don't you like about kraska so far?
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Post Post #175 (isolation #41) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:48 pm

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In post 174, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Her pinged me. I don't see why town would be willing to wagon players who have not posted yet.
So you can't see the town motivation behind that post... What do you believe the scum motivation would be in that case?
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Post Post #183 (isolation #42) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:53 am

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@camn I still want the reasoning for SpyreX being a townread at the moment you said that I wasn't being town enough to make you reconsider on whether I was lynchbait. Also your reasoning for reconsidering on me now please.

UNVOTE:

Pending Socrates vote reasoning.
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Post Post #184 (isolation #43) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:12 am

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kraska77 wrote:My 10 minutes?
In post 29, camn wrote:What did you do for 10 minutes, kraska??
I think she's talking about between post and . Yes I know this is directly at odds with her seemingly being frustrated over feeling she has to announce she'll be gone for 5 hours in don't ask me what she's thinking I'm drunk.

Anyway I want from camn:

1) Reasoning for changing her mind on me.
2) Reasoning for townreading SpyreX by
3) Reasoning for Socrates vote as promised.

I'll work out wtf I wanna do when I'm sober in the morning.
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Post Post #190 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:17 am

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Aight, well I'll half address shit since I'm actually p drunk atm.

kraska thing.. Firstly, day started 11:31am my time. Kraska's first post was 11:52am my time. So 20 min diff.
Secondly, regardless of alignment I feel like that's angle shooting. Judge someone on their content, not on shit that could be easily attributed to RL stuff. Like that's the time it would take me to do the dishes or get dinner on or do shit with the dog or bird, y'know? I just don't feel like timing is a worthwhile avenue to pursue.
Third, it's not even a given that she PM'ed back her confirmation at the time the thread opened.

pedit - kraska addressed it w/e
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Post Post #191 (isolation #45) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:17 am

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In post 188, SpyreX wrote:See damn it i knew it
Every time
wha?
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Post Post #196 (isolation #46) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:17 am

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Lol I wondered if anyone else would question the mod on that after the first alleged PM.

Spy is town.
Uzi seems townish.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #47) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:22 am

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What two?
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Post Post #200 (isolation #48) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:33 am

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uhhh no idea just yet sorry.

Like I think spy is probably town but I dont' know what he's trying to say lately

camn stuff i kinda want more than what she gave me tbh, it's cool if she doesn't wanna explain the spy townread yet but i would like the read on me and socrates explained in more detail tomorrow or whenever she gets around to it.

can't think much more beyond that tonight sorry. <3
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Post Post #246 (isolation #49) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:34 pm

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In post 204, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
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let’s talk. I’m having a hard time deciding whether I believe your reads list comes from Town or not.

Why did I drop tiers in your reads list between and given I had no activity during that time-frame?

Also,
In post 105, JaeReed wrote:Periods aren't stiff. I just like to gut/tone read early game. Your confirmation didn't ping me as town like for example, Magna's. I went for a meta dive on both you and SpyreX and came to the conclusion it probably didn't mean anything major. Which is generally par for the course.
Why didn’t you meta dive me to see if my opening looks like Town Magna? Because I will tell you it is an absolute departure from my usual style.
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You didn't drop in tiers between 112 and 142. Other people moved around you when I did my reread after cooling off a bit.

I didn't feel particularly off with your entry so I didn't dive you. Even if I had, I probably wouldn't have bothered to do a dive, as I've seen you play before. The idea was to see how the posting style of the people in question read to me in general to see if there's any merit to the stiff confirmation there. There wasn't.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #50) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:20 pm

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In post 252, Socrates wrote:So, Jae deciding to state a neutral read on me before I had even begun to post is weird as hell, as I (and other people) have already pointed out. Confused about why he would do that, I (and others) press him about singling me out, of all people.

His answer? That my confirmation post felt "stiff" and that he had done a "meta dive" on me (and SpyreX!? post 105) to research my playstyle.

Stiff?

STIFF?

Compare my confirmation post to Lady's six posts earlier, remembering that this would be BEFORE Lady could say anything about her (ostensible) post restriction:
In post 2, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:This is a confirmation post.
In post 8, Socrates wrote:Confirm.
I'm the oddly stiff one? Rubbish.

And of course it was all a dead end with nothing to show for it than a 'meh'.

Why do the legwork on such an obvious dead-end, and NOT do the leg-work on his gut-town read of MOI (as MOI has, again, already pointed out himself)?
It doesn't make any sense.
LLD had posted about her restriction by the time I reached the thread, I believe. I don't see why that's so hard for you to understand, really.

And yes, I also checked up on SpyreX. He was another one that I felt had a kind of stiff confirm post. And no, it's not an "obvious dead-end" as you seem to think. I've fingered scum off that before in the past. I possibly just got lucky, idunno, but point is, it has worked for me before and I see no reason to not scumhunt as early as I can.

Also, I'd never bother to meta dive MoI. I've seen his posting style before. I dive on people I have no experience with whatsoever and even then it's only if I have doubts on whether my read on them is any good.
I expressed my dissatisfaction with his logic not only on me, but also on MOI and he turns around and says something about my sig and starts trying to "engage" me directly. I consciously and deliberately turned it around on him to see if he was actually interested in feeling me out or if he was just trying to stroke my ego, and he proceeds to give me a bunch of veiled compliments while failing to follow through on his push.
Veiled compliments? Don't get you.

The words you like I didn't even know were words you liked. I've been reading a lot of mafia theory lately because I've had problems with my reads. A lot of it I guess is posted by older players or something and I picked up the usage from there and fell into using it with you because that's what I tend to do.

I don't even know what you mean by "consciously and deliberately turned it around on him" like... eh w/e. I'm actually reaching the end of my patience so I guess I need to cool it a bit.
I've speculated that Jae was coached to do this by another member of the mafia. It might not have even been coaching about me specifically, just a suggestion to buddy up with one of the more experienced players and use their egos against them, or something. The three oldest accounts in this game are (I think?) me, Spy, and Camn, and Spy being the coach would explain why Jae would choose to 'meta' me and Spy but nobody else. Now that I look at it, though, Camn being the coach would also fit astoundingly well.

But that's not the important part, it was just an idle thought about how this would fit into the larger game. It means nothing until we've lynched this Jae fellow and proven him scum.

BUT

I'm starting to get to the point where I just want to murder some lurkers.

Dunn has contributed fuckall.
Pisskop has failed to appear.
Nacho needs to stop reading the webcomic and start playing.
SpyreX, is your current vote serious?
Is it a part of Lady's post restriction that she has to complain about having said restriction in every post she makes?
I wouldn't buddy up to any of those accounts if I wanted to buddy. I don't know any of you. If I were planning to buddy someone this game it'd be someone I've played with previously.

You seem to equate older accounts with being scumhunting gods. You're not. None of us are. Egos lose games.

Also, you think camn could have coached me? Y'know, the person who was tunneling me and i was tunneling them earlier? You can't seriously believe that.
Also also, Dunn has contributed a lot. He's not a lurker and he's one of my more confident townreads.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #51) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:29 pm

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In post 211, I Am Innocent wrote:Re Spyrex's Post 40 believing kraska's claim matches her flavor, do others familiar with this theme agree?

Post 55 is bad too. JaeReed yells at Dunn for bringing up something but then clarifies it even more "@Dunn my guess is possibility of a vig. Why bother to bring it up?"

JaeReed overreacts in 67 big time with an OMGUS vote and huge reads list.
Claim w/ flavor thing yeah I agree it matches, but it doesn't matter whether it does or not. kraska's town by play.

Post 55 is hardly what I'd call yelling. I responded to him and questioned his motive for drawing attention to it because it felt kinda like PR fishing to me.

That wasn't an OMGUS vote. That reads list was on its way regardless as I like giving early reads when I have them. It pushes actual content out there much faster. That reads list was coming regardless of anyone voting me or not.
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Post Post #273 (isolation #52) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:46 pm

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In post 237, I Am Innocent wrote:@JaeReed, can you please link me to a game where you read into confirmations before (Post 86 "I also read into confirmations. Sue me.")
Sure. This game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66896

I held off on posting there until everyone had posted, but I did make an early room with Charloux because of his confirmation & first post making him an extremely strong townread for me early on.

https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/2nZRGwPDz5Cgk

That's the room. Post 3 in that QT is the reads, and I made that post I think around page 2 of that game while I was waiting for everyone to check in.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #53) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:21 pm

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In post 285, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 246, JaeReed wrote:wrt 67 what don't you like about my early reads? Just the simple fact I gave reads early, or do you disagree with the reads & thoughts?
I didn’t find the reads themselves made much sense. This has all been parsed before but the Socrates read there was really, really odd. I mean I’m not much of a tone-reader but nothing about the post he made said “stiff” to me.

And I don’t grok the “Dunn is reaction testing” stance as reaction testing is not something scum do in my mind. Reaction testing at the heart is making posts and trying to read who people react to learn alignments. Scum (especially in a 12 person mini which we know isn’t multiball) don’t need to do that.

Finally too many of your presented reads are not that. Dunn / Spyrex / LLD / Kraska / Socrates are all basically fence-sits. The only actual reads given are Camn and myself. The rest are basically filling space but say nothing concrete at all to judge your posting buy.
In post 246, JaeReed wrote:You didn't drop in tiers between 112 and 142. Other people moved around you when I did my reread after cooling off a bit.
Well then I have a problem then. In your first reads list I was in the top tier. In the second I was in the second tier. If you are saying that your tiered lists don’t’ actually translate to set reads (first slot is Strong Town, second slot is weak Town, etc) then I question the point of a lists as you have presented them.
In post 246, JaeReed wrote:I didn't feel particularly off with your entry so I didn't dive you. Even if I had, I probably wouldn't have bothered to do a dive, as I've seen you play before.
Name games where you have seen me before then.

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You're right; it was more current thoughts on players in the game, but I find that to be synonymous with reads anyway since it does indeed show where I stand on them. I had a lot of slots that I wasn't quite sure about that I still had thoughts on. I try not to neglect anyone who has posted when I do that or give a reads list. I gave my thoughts on the players in the game. I still don't see why you have a problem with that, honestly.

Socrates read ended up "meh" purely because I checked up on his posting style and deemed that it was more likely just the way he types that feels stiff to me. The stiffness came in the lack of joking or carefree mannerisms that I tend to read from more emotional players when they confirm.

Reaction testing is only town indicative with follow up. I couldn't give a read on whether he's town or scum following what I thought was a reaction test at the time when I still hadn't seen his conclusions reached from it. I'm having a hard time buying that you seriously believe I should have had a solid read on him off a reaction test that I hadn't seen follow up to at the time.

I'm not changing the way I do my reads lists, so you'll have to deal with it. I picked it up as a fresh newbie when idolizing Ranger so here's a nice explanation of what the tiers mean: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7721635

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Post Post #310 (isolation #54) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:37 pm

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In post 286, Socrates wrote:
In post 270, JaeReed wrote: LLD had posted about her restriction by the time I reached the thread, I believe. I don't see why that's so hard for you to understand, really.
That's an easy lie to make, but I guess it's easy because it's plausible. Eh, If you say so.
Veiled compliments? Don't get you.

The words you like I didn't even know were words you liked. I've been reading a lot of mafia theory lately because I've had problems with my reads. A lot of it I guess is posted by older players or something and I picked up the usage from there and fell into using it with you because that's what I tend to do.


The parts where you call me a 'logical' player and 'of course I am a difficult read' and whatever. They're called 'veiled' compliments because they appeal without being direct.
I don't even know what you mean by "consciously and deliberately turned it around on him" like... eh w/e. I'm actually reaching the end of my patience so I guess I need to cool it a bit.
You know, the whole part where I didn't answer your question but instead asked you a question about myself? Which you *totally* noted yet elected not to say anything about?
I wouldn't buddy up to any of those accounts if I wanted to buddy. I don't know any of you. If I were planning to buddy someone this game it'd be someone I've played with previously.

You seem to equate older accounts with being scumhunting gods. You're not. None of us are. Egos lose games.
That's what I... That was my entire...

*sigh*
Also, you think camn could have coached me? Y'know, the person who was tunneling me and i was tunneling them earlier? You can't seriously believe that.
What Camn said.
It's really hard for me to keep my cool when you're just assuming that I'm lying about my read on LLD being influenced by the fact that she claimed her post restriction when it's right there in the thread and also prior to my post about my thoughts on her. You could have fact checked that. The fact that you didn't implies that you're either so confbiased and set in your read of me that this whole exchange is useless because you're going to be tunneled on town no matter what, or that you're scum that doesn't want to admit your point there is a load of bullcrap.

I would hardly say that thinking you're a logical player in general is a compliment. I'm not appealing to you; I'm trying to sort you. To do that I need to identify what kind of player you are so I have more of a chance at getting into your mindset and evaluating your content for how genuine I feel it is coming from you. You asked me if you were easy to read. I said you're not. Again, this is not a compliment. In fact, if you're town I'd almost take that as an insult because town
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be easy to read as town. A good town player is one that makes themselves known to other town, correctly identifies other town, and works with said other town to solve the game. Not being easy to read is not a compliment imo. The only time that even maybe becomes a compliment is if you're scum. And even then... eh... it means that you're not faking town well enough to be easily townread.

Oh, the part that I already addressed. The part where I was open to it just being a communication error and figured I'd try another method to ask you your thoughts by being less vague when I could pinpoint what exactly I wanted a comment from you regarding.

No, that's not what you were getting at. You were getting at a belief that I would want to buddy you because you're one of the older accounts. That belief is incredibly self-centred imo and it comes across as though you have an inflated ego regarding older accounts.

I don't have anything on the last point except a belief that I definitely wouldn't try that as newb scum because I don't have the confidence to pull it off. My personal judgement of my scum game is worthless to you here, though, since you're not me.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #55) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:46 pm

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VOTE: Socrates

I can feasibly see scum pulling off what he did as a huge show to contrive a reason to hop on my wagon.

I feel better about camn. It does feel like she's actively trying to sort people, even if I don't necessarily agree with her methods and thought processes.

IAI is someone I want more from before I can make a judgement. The thing is, I can see a lot of the viewpoints he's arriving at possibly coming from a town mindset in his catch up.

Dunn why do you think LLD is town? My lack of a solid read on her is getting frustrating. Help me out here.

pisskop are you caught up? reads?
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Post Post #333 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:21 pm

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In post 285, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
MOD – I’ll be V/LA from tonight at 4:30 EST until Monday. Thanksgiving family time and normal weekend duties. I will try to get some content into the thread but it will sporadic and phone-posted most likely.


No prob. I understand. Happy Thanksgiving!


@IAI
– if you are going to make posts where you reference post numbers and are Town please use the [ post] INSERT NUMBER [ / post ] feature (with the spaces removed) to make it easier to review your references.

@Dunn
– do you think kraska is scummy for Beetlejucing in ?

I’m also interested enough by to lay down a vote there.

VOTE: Camn

Because she’s just come off a large post explaining how Socrates is scum () yet is less than 20 posts later happy to jump on the “lynch a lurker” bandwagon? Said bandwagon first presented by her scum read Socrates?

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In post 207, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:4.) You said my opening post didn't say anything, I am merely correcting you that it did and if need be, I will reveal what it says. I'm also not worried about your suspicion of me.
Oh so instead of being a completely fluff-filled entry has hidden content. Why did you feel the reason to hide content? I mean if you are saying there is a breadcrumb there that is irrelevant since breadcrumbs aren’t content but tools to help support later claims.
In post 209, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:And what reaction is one supposed to get after signs of being shown the player's bandwagon that they jumped on or started is not here? I don't see what reads one can gain from someone unwilling to wagon a player who has not posted yet.
You are wandering into straw-manning territory here by presenting very situational, narrow scenarios and using it to undermine the concept that wagon formation is a scum-hunting tool.

Why people jump on wagons and why they don’t is a very good analysis tool down the line.

Let’s analyse the wagon activity (or lack thereof) in this game so far. I find it interesting that we’ve already gotten to page 10 and not a single wagon above 3 votes has formed. In a 12 player game that’s less than half the lynch threshold. This is pretty unusual for Day 1 in a Mini Theme. What does that say to you?

Also, I’d very much like to see your thoughts on camn and Dunn voting for a completely absent Pisskop.

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In post 211, I Am Innocent wrote:Re Spyrex's Post 40 believing kraska's claim matches her flavor, do others familiar with this theme agree?
Sven is a reasonable flavor match for a Miller – person who looks like an asshole but really wants to be a better person.

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In post 222, Socrates wrote:MOI is really hung up on Lady's post restriction.
Can you elaborate on why you think this because this is pretty moonbeams and I don’t get the sense from the rest of your posts that you are a moonbeams sorta guy.
In post 252, Socrates wrote:I'm starting to get to the point where I just want to murder some lurkers.
The game has been open a whopping 26 or so hours when you made this. You are ready to start murdering “lurkers” before people can even be due a prod?

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In post 239, camn wrote:Yea- its the stuff BETWEEN 70 and 181 that torqued me. All the MOAR VOTES HERE nonsense.
Um camn I’m not sure if I buy this. You often hydra with Katsuki for heavens sakes … you can’t really expect me to believe a few rhetoric posts are enough to set you off to such a degree. I mean – here are all the posts from kraska that might fit that profile from 70 to 181.
In post 118, kraska77 wrote:Hey guys camn needs more votes
The way she approached jae shows she's not interested in pressing them for content
Instead of poking jae about the weird comments on Socrates, all she does is call jae scum
That’s it. That is the only post where kraska does anything remotely like “MORE CAMN VOTES”. And even then it’s not completely empty there are reasons attached.

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In post 246, JaeReed wrote:wrt 67 what don't you like about my early reads? Just the simple fact I gave reads early, or do you disagree with the reads & thoughts?
I didn’t find the reads themselves made much sense. This has all been parsed before but the Socrates read there was really, really odd. I mean I’m not much of a tone-reader but nothing about the post he made said “stiff” to me.

And I don’t grok the “Dunn is reaction testing” stance as reaction testing is not something scum do in my mind. Reaction testing at the heart is making posts and trying to read who people react to learn alignments. Scum (especially in a 12 person mini which we know isn’t multiball) don’t need to do that.

Finally too many of your presented reads are not that. Dunn / Spyrex / LLD / Kraska / Socrates are all basically fence-sits. The only actual reads given are Camn and myself. The rest are basically filling space but say nothing concrete at all to judge your posting buy.
In post 246, JaeReed wrote:You didn't drop in tiers between 112 and 142. Other people moved around you when I did my reread after cooling off a bit.
Well then I have a problem then. In your first reads list I was in the top tier. In the second I was in the second tier. If you are saying that your tiered lists don’t’ actually translate to set reads (first slot is Strong Town, second slot is weak Town, etc) then I question the point of a lists as you have presented them.
In post 246, JaeReed wrote:I didn't feel particularly off with your entry so I didn't dive you. Even if I had, I probably wouldn't have bothered to do a dive, as I've seen you play before.
Name games where you have seen me before then.

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Doesn't show for me either.

And I believe the promise SpyreX was talking about was LLD wanting me lynched by page 10.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:22 pm

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.........I hate MS with its stupid quote bugs.
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Post Post #353 (isolation #58) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:49 pm

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Eh, I'm not feeling pisskop. I actually liked his reaction to being scumread. The whole "you need to learn the differences" thing.
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Post Post #362 (isolation #59) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:48 am

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{Dunnstral, kraska}
{camn, Uzi}
{pisskop}
{IAI, Magna, SpyreX}
{Nacho, LLD}
{Socrates}

sick of keeping notepad open for this so I'll just post it in thread.

I need followups from IAI & Magna.

Mostly I wanna give ppl time for thanksgiving since I think that's goin on over there. Plus been giving Nacho some time to read up on QC.
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Post Post #364 (isolation #60) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:06 am

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^ it's kinda moonlogic, camn. Like why would scum admit to that for one? You'd just ignore it wouldn't you? Also like even if you did go to talk in the scum pt first there's nothing to say you confirmed before the game actually began and not just before you made your first post in thread, y'know?
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Post Post #367 (isolation #61) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:25 am

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@camn it's not scummy; it's tunneling. It happens especially after you made a case off bad reasoning. That's all it is.

I won't say kraska hasn't had posts lately that made me feel uneasy about her but the point is I was pretty certain she was town earlier on and even her latest posting still isn't enough to change my viewpoint on that. I think she's just on the wrong path and needs to take a step back and look at your motivation behind the posts a bit more.

Having a crap case doesn't make you scum. You had a crap case on her based off confirming via PM; does that make you scum?

I'll do a reread after this weekend but honestly at this point and time I don't want to lynch anyone but Socrates and I can't imagine a reread changing that opinion. I mean, I'll try to be open about it when reading, obviously, but I just can't see it at this point and time.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #62) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:15 am

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In post 369, kraska77 wrote:
In post 366, camn wrote: That was then. NOW she is bringing it up like I am scum for it ..
Tell me - what is the scum motivation in my actions there? THIS argument is the moonlogic.
idk what the motivation is. i cant conceive of towncamn motivation there either so *shrugs*
i just have trouble following where ure coming from. this and ur vote hopping has me scratching my head idk what to think of u. u say u wont explain townreads because it helps scum adapt their play
but then explain scumreads at length and im like "okay"
explaining why scum is scum especially this early in the game when they still have a lot of room to shape up certainly helps them adapt their play too. remember how you called out house's obsession with me and dram in that other game and how i immediately worked on improving our interactions after that? wait the mafia pt was never out nvm. but ANYWAY.
explaining townreads would help me and others understand and trust u better
If you can't conceive scum motivation or town motivation then it's NAI. If you can conceive town motivation but not scum motivation then it's townie. If you can conceive scum motivation but not town motivation then it's scummy. If you can conceive both it's NAI. If you can't put yourself into their shoes whatsoever then you have a communications issue and need to work to resolve it and understand them.

At least, imo. This sounds closer to a communications issue. Even if you can't understand a lot of what she's doing you should at least think about the motivation behind every action she has taken thus far and whether it makes sense for scum/town given the information in the game up to the point she's made such actions.

Explaining townreads to some people is like explaining exactly what scum need to do in order to be townread. I don't think it's a particularly valid thought process as on a reread it can become painfully transparent what people are doing if they're doing that; but it is certainly a thought process that I know many people have. Regardless of alignment.

Explaining scum reads tends to be to get their scum reads lynched. Explaining town reads tends to be an avenue to scum twisting your read and forcing you to question it or using your methods against you.

I don't disagree that town should be as open as possible, but some people (especially in the older players I think) seem to be more of the opinion that keeping their hand hidden is the best way to trap scum. The main point I think is looking for the motivation behind the posts as a whole.
In post 370, kraska77 wrote:hey jae do u think socrates' paranoia was fake? i think if that was fake he wouldnt have dragged it for as long as he did
I think if he was trying to contrive a reason and was in a back and forth that was making me seem more townie to him rather than scummy the easy way out would have been to pull the buddying card over the word issue. I used one word he didn't like where others had also used the word prior. His case is essentially based on me being coached where at least from my point of view I can't see any reason someone would think that (feel free to correct me if you also felt my posts were stiff, as he did), and he also used what was basically me being open to a miscommunication issue as a scumtell.

I feel like it's plausible in that situation for him to not be a mistaken, paranoid townie and to in fact be mafia trying for a long time to contrive some good reason to join my wagon.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #63) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:22 pm

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@Mod I need to V/LA a bit sorry
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Post Post #415 (isolation #64) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:20 pm

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pisskop is town
don't like Ari's tone so far - reads kinda fake

Nacho you need to start doing something or I will push a lurker lynch on you and hope to luck out. I know you can contribute as either alignment, so start doing it.
LLD, your vote hasn't changed since early game. Do you think I'm scum, or are you just being lazy?
pisskop wrote:No its being an angry little shit
No she already claimed her restriction. It's perfect grammar.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #65) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:15 pm

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In post 455, kraska77 wrote:so i looked at socrates again and i still think that's town
the whole coaching affair feels like a tempest in a teacup and i really dont see why socrates, as scum, would think this a profitable course of action to take
and remember that he got all pedantic and paranoid about jae's posting AFTER initially calling them low hanging fruit....like no fks given about looking consistent....another thing that makes me think socrate's town
so socrates is initially resistant to join the chorus of people calling jae scum, then as soon as people begin to warm up to jae, he not only makes a sudden 180 on them...but also antagonizes spyrex with stretchy associations. i would imagine getting on the good side of players he's familiar with to be priority for him as scum. i really dont see how this is helping him at all, all this seems to have done is attract negative attention towards him. i think socrate's town and scum are probably trying to exploit the coaching episode as its an easy picking to look like theyre scumhunting or whatever
In post 456, kraska77 wrote:i think socrate's paranoia of jae was real
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Post Post #512 (isolation #66) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:31 pm

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Response to Magna in spoiler.

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In post 460, MagnaofIllusion wrote:At this stage I’m heavily leaning that LUV is a good scum candidate. His posting lacks any drive to find and identify scum. Review his ISO to see what I mean – lots of “don’t know about this” posting. The only real conclusions he has offered are Town reads (some which make little sense) which are easy for scum to provide. And I want to go back to his immediate “Oh, I breadcrumbed” drop made under literally zero pressure. If LUV is Town he’s basically made himself a target for scum killing or blocking with no reason to have done so. Still feels very suspect to me.
That's the way he plays I think. I need to check his scum game to see if it's alignment indicative at all but currently him coming across as fence sitting and as more like he's trying to be the peacemaker is what I have seen from him in our previous game where he was town. When I read his posts I get the impression that he's looking for motivation behind people's postings, which is what town do.
In post 377, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm leaning toward voting Socrates right now since all he's done is made a very weak case on Jae that's been easily picked up apart a few times already. He also doesn't seem to understand the town motivation in one trying to better appeal or understand a person.
@Spyrex
– I want a sanity check on this from LUV. Does this post say to you “Newb scum who doesn’t want to get accused of wagonning”?
I know you didn't ask me but I'm going to respond anyway. No, it doesn't. Not for Uzi, at least. I feel like you're pushing a narrative here with him and I really don't like it.
In post 302, JaeReed wrote:Game. Just one. Open 637, beeboy's Fire and Ice. You replaced Io. I was reading that game because Ranger was in it (in a hydra with RC).
My opening here is in no way, shape or form similar to my play that game. Nevermind that I didn’t even start posting there til Day 2. Your original answer as to why you didn’t ISO dive me compared to Socrates doesn’t seem to hold water based on this info.
What? I DIDN'T SAY THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DIVE YOU. I didn't dive you because YOUR OPENING DIDN'T FEEL STIFF TO ME. I said I wouldn't have dived you if I DID have a problem with it because I can remember the way you posted in Fire and Ice. Like, you're the one who focused on the add-on to it rather than the actual reason and asked for what games I've seen you in as though that was even relevant to the reason I didn't decide to dive you where I decided to skim SpyreX and Socrates.
In post 302, JaeReed wrote:Reaction testing is only town indicative with follow up. I couldn't give a read on whether he's town or scum following what I thought was a reaction test at the time when I still hadn't seen his conclusions reached from it. I'm having a hard time buying that you seriously believe I should have had a solid read on him off a reaction test that I hadn't seen follow up to at the time.
You are completely off the rails. I don’t care that you didn’t have a read based on Dunn’s post. My issue is that you called it a reaction test at all. Again – Town do reaction tests, scum don’t. You called it a reaction test on its face. I’m having a hard time reconciling that your post left no room for Dunn being scum and voting opportunistically.
I've seen Dunn claim in pre-game once he was going to vig mastin to check her claim of bulletproof. I'd still call that a reaction test. He was scum that game. Like, scum can reaction test too - it arguably helps them more than it helps town because you can read into the reaction of the person KNOWING THAT THEY ARE TOWN and figure out whether they might be an important PR or not. Like come on dude, reaction tests can also be a way to appear town. The ONLY thing to take from a reaction test is
the conclusion that person draws from it
. Because that is what will show you whether they're genuinely evaluating from a town mindset.

Dunn is the person here who I have the most completed games with. His erratic early play is par for the course and I wasn't going to call him scum just for voting me when I know his play in general is full of stuff like that early on. Like, why should I have seen that vote as particularly opportunistic? Because I called him out on early setup spec? The fact that you're saying my post left "no room for Dunn being scum" is just plain wrong. I specifically said I wasn't sure if he was scum or town. Because I wasn't. Your push on me is starting to look really contrived.
In post 353, JaeReed wrote:Eh, I'm not feeling pisskop. I actually liked his reaction to being scumread. The whole "you need to learn the differences" thing.
So you think his posting is Town what effectively it is OMGUS to everyone who looks at him sideways along with empty shit-posting? That is all that had happened by the time you wrote this.
No. I thought his tone was town because it's very much a "wow you guys suck at reading me" unapologetic tone. I don't think I actually saw any OMGUS from him back then either?
In post 362, JaeReed wrote:{Dunnstral, kraska}
{camn, Uzi}
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Please elaborate on your LUV Town read. I’d be very interested in what posts you think warrant that read.
& - paranoia over LLD's post restriction and thinking about possible motivations (this is essentially a null point though because it could just as easily be throwing shade on her as scum knowing she'll have a hard time getting out content because of the restriction)

- looking at motivation behind trying to work around someone disliking certain words.

- looking at motivation again behind camn's vote on me

- Looked into the time of the posts and whether they made sense in context with how she's been posting so far

& - Wants to hear from the people who haven't posted (granted, this is a particularly easy one to go for if you're trying to grab cheap town cred but he followed it with a SR on kraska which says to me he really believes in it)

- Good points on the grammar thing, for a start. Calling for an investigate on a slot that we're going to have trouble reading is also pro-town motivation.

- paranoia over camn's vote hopping looks like it's starting to set in.
In post 364, JaeReed wrote:Also like even if you did go to talk in the scum pt first there's nothing to say you confirmed before the game actually began and not just before you made your first post in thread, y'know?
Ok, this is probably scum posting.
What about that is scum posting? Because now it's seeming like you're just flinging stuff at the wall to see if it sticks. I'm also pretty sure that in context this was relevant to a discussion we were having, and I feel like you've kinda ripped it out of context? Still don't see how it would be scum posting regardless.
In post 367, JaeReed wrote:I won't say kraska hasn't had posts lately that made me feel uneasy about her but the point is I was pretty certain she was town earlier on and even her latest posting still isn't enough to change my viewpoint on that. I think she's just on the wrong path and needs to take a step back and look at your motivation behind the posts a bit more.
Ok, so what posts of kraska’s made you uneasy?
I didn't like the series of posting that was - 356

The main thing that pinged me was saying there was no content and basically being willing to lynch low content rather than any of the others she had in her scum pile. (Uzi and camn)

It's not enough to outweigh what I liked about her earlier but it just bugged me, especially following the run of fluff she had posted earlier.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #67) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:46 pm

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In post 466, Socrates wrote:Ugh, it occurs to me that, on some level, I simply WANT to believe in a Jae/Camn scumteam. It's just such a pretty idea. So perfect. Everything from the way they voted for each other to Camn jumping on me the moment I laid a semi-serious vote on Jae to my previous comments about the coaching.
If you're town then you're going to lead town to ruin for your ego and solely your ego. You need to actually evaluate my posts because I don't feel like you're doing that. I feel like you're trying to force a narrative, and that could be because you want to be right, but you're wrong at least on me and you seem to only be looking at my posts looking for the reasons I could be doing x from a "scum being coached" pov rather than even possibly considering that I just might be town. Like, it's almost insulting that you think I'm not intelligent enough or considerate enough to have tried to be as accommodating as possible when trying to make my read on you because I wanted to be accurate.
The way Jae has completely flip-flopped from 'Socrates is too paranoid to be faking' to 'Socrates's paranoia is too contrived to be real' also doesn't help. (Also, for what it's worth, contriving a reason to jump on your wagon would have been foolhardy for me to do as scum, since the 'let's power-lynch the VI!' wagon always fails. Always. THAT is the football SpyreX was talking about if you haven't clued in to that yet, Jae.)
I had the thought about you possibly contriving a reason to jump on my wagon when I made the post about your paranoia being real. It was the paranoia thing that tempered me back to thinking you're probably just town. Meh.

And I'm not a VI and that wasn't how I was viewing the wagon either. I felt that I had pretty much proved that by the time you jumped on the wagon, so it should have no longer been a "let's power-lynch the VI!" wagon and should have been a real one by that stage regardless. And no, I hadn't clued in to that yet, thanks for informing me.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #68) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:58 pm

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In post 498, kraska77 wrote:anyway im pretty sure im seeing scum ari here so far so
What so far has been scum Ari? Just general disengagement from the game?
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Post Post #516 (isolation #69) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:02 pm

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In post 502, kraska77 wrote:
In post 500, pisskop wrote:Kraska, why ari?
i'll wait for his next round of posts before i answer this
Nvm about that last question lol. I'll wait.
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moi i hope that i can be a proper nutritious meal for you in the future
Have you caught up? What are your reads?
In post 505, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What's the case on Ari? Nothing about his tone seems off and he's always this fluffy. He also implied he would be finished catching up by tomorrow so let's judge one of his hopefully many substantial posts of the game then and go from there.
This is icky. :/
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What was this in response to?
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Post Post #517 (isolation #70) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:03 pm

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In post 513, camn wrote:Haters go ahead, tell me how much of a sheep I am.
And if you think sheeping people is inherently scummy.. you gotta play more games.
I don't have a problem with sheeping that isn't coming across as looking like you're trying to not be seen as sheeping :P

Therefore I don't have a problem with you openly sheeping Nacho.
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Post Post #518 (isolation #71) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:09 pm

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And, quick additions...

On the subject of me saying I'm not a VI. Just my opinion. Obviously people might disagree since I got run up for joking about it which I guess could fall under the VI category but w/e. The important thing is how I feel about myself... So long as I'm not pocketed again because I would really feel bad about my abilities if I let that happen again so close to Shadowrun q.q

On the subject of Uzi. The worst stuff I've seen from him is the breadcrumb thing and the latest post on Ari (though I guess that's in line with his thing about no content lynches so it might not even be that bad).

On the subject of my vote. It's unofficially on either Ari or Magna, pending their next posts.
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Post Post #548 (isolation #72) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:40 pm

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I don't think game is flavour breakable but for funsies, I'm Dora!

I'll respond to other stuff tomorrow. Maybe later today if I feel in the mindframe to play, but I wouldn't hold out much hope for that.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #73) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:11 pm

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Spoiler: response to magna
In post 530, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Oh and my vote stays absolutely parked on Jae for reasons below and . There is no reason given all his words in about how I am making bad pushes and contrived posts for him not to be voting me given he specifically asks for reasons for Ari to be scum in . Clearly he doesn’t see Ari as scum (given 515) but is willing to maybe vote him over someone he clearly reads as scum in me? He’s afraid of being called out for OMGUS given his read on me as scum has developed after I started pushing him.
I really couldn't care less if people think my vote is OMGUS or not. I feel I have very valid reasons to scumread you. That being said, I am concerned
myself
about whether it's OMGUS because that kind of thing tends to mess with reads. Not to mention I was still very much in a bad place emotionally (hence the V/LA) so I figured I'd wait and see the follow up. Yours still reads to me as starting with a read on me and working backwards.

As far as Ari, I don't see him as anything right now, but I do know he has a reputation for lurking as scum. I wanted to know if that was the basis for the votes on him or whether it was more to do with IAI and Ari's first posts (in which case I'm missing something).
In post 512, JaeReed wrote:That's the way he plays I think. I need to check his scum game to see if it's alignment indicative at all but currently him coming across as fence sitting and as more like he's trying to be the peacemaker is what I have seen from him in our previous game where he was town. When I read his posts I get the impression that he's looking for motivation behind people's postings, which is what town do.
I don’t get the sense he’s looking behind posts for motivation myself. I’ve already said myself that his whipsaw “LLD is Town no-one would fake such a difficult Post Restriction” stance is bad as it ignores plenty of possibilities of LLD as scum that are very reasonable. And he clearly has shown no interest in going to read the game I linked to as he has completely dropped the subject. To me this shows someone molding stances not actually scum-hunting. And that’s just the first example.
I do get that sense, and I explained why I do with post examples, which you are ignoring completely to make generalized statements. Plus a blatant misrep. I just went through his ISO and at no point ever did he say LLD was town. In fact he showed express dislike for the potential for her claim to further a scum goal through excusing low content, and called for an investigate on her. And honestly? You linking that game felt a lot like you were focusing on a point of the post that was largely irrelevant to the big picture. Lots of people think her restriction is real. Why? Her rage is real. The game you linked actually serves as supporting evidence as the dude faking his restriction there didn't seem to have strong feelings about it. Regardless, he has repeatedly called for a solid clear/guilty on LLD from the start, and has never said she's town, but more that he thinks her restriction is real. Just like others have said. You're not jumping down everyone's throat for it, you're jumping down the lynchbait's throat for it. That's a scum move.
In post 512, JaeReed wrote:What? I DIDN'T SAY THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DIVE YOU. I didn't dive you because YOUR OPENING DIDN'T FEEL STIFF TO ME. I said I wouldn't have dived you if I DID have a problem with it because I can remember the way you posted in Fire and Ice. Like, you're the one who focused on the add-on to it rather than the actual reason and asked for what games I've seen you in as though that was even relevant to the reason I didn't decide to dive you where I decided to skim SpyreX and Socrates.
See my issue is that I can’t see any consistency to the reasons you are giving for why you did meta diving on some players and not others. My opening this game was exceeding a-typical for MoI of any alignment. I’m sure Nacho can attest to that. And it clearly bears little resemblance to anything I did in Fire and Ice. I also still can’t connect at all to your thought process that Socrates entrance was “stiff”. In Large part I get the sense you were looking for posts you could characterize as suspect as opposed to really being interested in play-style departures.
I wasn't looking for playstyle departures in my first read of opening posts. I was looking for easygoing tone and playfulness because it has been a tell I've used in the past to find town. You're again forcing a narrative. I dived the openings I did not find easygoing/playful/couldn't get an emotional or gut read from, because that is what I mean when I say "stiff". If all their posting in every game I skim reads the same to me I'm just going to assume they're naturally a person that will come off that way in their posts. You're pushing a narrative that doesn't exist.
In post 512, JaeReed wrote:No. I thought his tone was town because it's very much a "wow you guys suck at reading me" unapologetic tone. I don't think I actually saw any OMGUS from him back then either?
Your stance that he’s Town for ‘tone’ which is completely playstyle dependent is another reason I don’t see you as honestly drawing reads.

And you don’t see OMGUS in these exchanges?




Literally OMGUS at its finest. Doesn’t make him scum but clearly isn’t Town either. NAI.
Honestly, those votes pretty much just read as "pisskop" to me, considering he hadn't read up yet there's clearly no basis behind the vote nor is there meant to be any. Regardless, you're the one who seemed to have an issue with the votes being OMGUS, then you've turned around and declared they're NAI. So my point stands that his tone in his is townie to me. Reading someone based off their tone is not an invalid way to read. I'm pretty sure you should know that, as well. GENERAL tone is playstyle dependent. What I read in his post was exasperation at the bad logic and misreading of him, which is a much harder thing for scum to fake.
In post 512, JaeReed wrote:What about that is scum posting? Because now it's seeming like you're just flinging stuff at the wall to see if it sticks. I'm also pretty sure that in context this was relevant to a discussion we were having, and I feel like you've kinda ripped it out of context? Still don't see how it would be scum posting regardless.
It is scum posting simply because you are trying to downplay that there is any reason for scum to talk pre-game. Scum have tons of reasons to coordinate pre-game. Sharing strengths weakness of Town players that they know. Coordinating how they are going to claim if pressured. Sharing theories about the Town make-up based on their known roles. The list of reasons goes on and on.

Yet you ‘in context’ were downplaying that there were players who confirmed to open the game yet didn’t first come to the main thread to post as meaningless. It isn’t.
In context, the post was this:
In post 364, JaeReed wrote:^ it's kinda moonlogic, camn. Like why would scum admit to that for one? You'd just ignore it wouldn't you? Also like even if you did go to talk in the scum pt first there's nothing to say you confirmed before the game actually began and not just before you made your first post in thread, y'know?
In context I was responding to camn's push on kraska over taking 10 minutes since the game started (presumably because someone PM confirmed) to make her first post, then saying she confirmed via PM. Not only did you cut out the first part of my post in order to then say "this is scumposting" (a nice generalization so that later you can elaborate without the post in question being easily accessible, where people will just assume the false narrative you're pushing is the truth) but you also then lie here about what I was getting at.

What I was trying to say to camn here, in context with both the entirety of my post and the posts before it, is that her logic on kraska confirming via PM and then spending 10 minutes in the scum PT was a bit out there in terms of relevancy. The fact that there was no solid time that kraska supposedly confirmed was one point. She very likely could have confirmed after the game already started, which makes the point null, and it's not a provable point, therefore it's not solid enough for a foundation of any kind of read. It's pure conjecture.
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Post Post #563 (isolation #74) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:13 pm

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In post 531, Socrates wrote:Boy, Aristophanes accumulated 5 votes real fast, with at least one more stated 'unofficial' vote (Jae) and he's about due for a prod.

Don't like this. Not one bit.
Gods, this reads as so fake though.
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Post Post #565 (isolation #75) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:15 pm

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In post 537, Nachomamma8 wrote:We just got approved for overtime for this week that I'm taking advantage of; had about an hour to do what I wanted when I got home today and needed it to close out a game in LyLo offsite; will be here tomorrow.
Hi, do something today please.
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Post Post #567 (isolation #76) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:18 pm

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In post 547, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 542, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why should we follow your theory, Dunn?
Because I said so and I'm trying to help town

I've already unvoted camn from it
Don't like this. If a flavor claim is enough to make you unvote someone then there was no case to begin with. Game will not be breakable through mass flavor claim. I have faith in DS on this one.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #77) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:21 pm

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VOTE: MoI

Alright, I'm caught up. pisskop have you read the whole game or don't plan to?
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Post Post #589 (isolation #78) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:03 pm

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In post 584, Nachomamma8 wrote:JaeReed I know you probably want some guidance to rescue you from that dark world of your MoI world but as I still haven't caught up with the game completely I need you to talk about MoI before I can make that dream a reality.
Nacho, I'm going to make this perfectly clear: I don't townread you. Stop trying to buddy up to me.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #79) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:20 am

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^ Why? Nacho is pushing Ari, so why would he be scum if Nacho is scum?
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Post Post #661 (isolation #80) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:31 pm

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In post 608, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 589, JaeReed wrote:
In post 584, Nachomamma8 wrote:JaeReed I know you probably want some guidance to rescue you from that dark world of your MoI world but as I still haven't caught up with the game completely I need you to talk about MoI before I can make that dream a reality.
Nacho, I'm going to make this perfectly clear: I don't townread you. Stop trying to buddy up to me.
dark world of that MoI read*
I'm not trying to buddy you; when buddying, I try to aim for more "lovable" and "charming" and less "obnoxious substanceless asshole". Instead, since I thought you were in the business of attempting to read me, I tried to open up a line of communication by challenging you on your MoI read; why didn't you talk about your read there?
I've already made long posts responding to MoI. I'm not going to engage you on it beyond "read the back and forth" at this point, because you clearly haven't or you'd have something more to say and some actual reasons why you seem to think I'm wrong. I'm fairly sure you couldn't have honestly expected me to say much different there.
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Post Post #662 (isolation #81) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:36 pm

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In post 627, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 625, kraska77 wrote:
Hold up

I'm beginning to forget that u could be scum urself!! We can't be compadres just yet srry I don't fully trust u yet
it's okay friend, i'm used to being misunderstood
i'm fairly confident the last words uttered before this game ends will be "if they aren't scum then make sure to look at Nacho again, he could just be fooling us"
This sounds like you're fairly sure you're not getting nightkilled. Why?
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Post Post #663 (isolation #82) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:43 pm

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In post 628, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 149, JaeReed wrote:
In post 143, camn wrote:Where as your feelings on me are total OMGUS?
Not at all.

I already stated that you were below null before your vote on me.
Hmmm. It seems like your early game were a lot of interactions that seemed like they went kind of funky because of bad communication; I'll do a bit better in being clear when responding to you because I can't imagine that my current approach is helping.

For one, when I don't contribute more, I can't. Sometimes other things come first, other times I'm just fucking tired, other times I end up procrastinating too much; these are things I shouldn't fuck up on, but I do and it's not particularly tied with alignment (I enjoy both sides of the game enough and am comfortable enough posting on either side where I don't dread making a post because of my alignment). My approach with Aristo is based on experience; I've been scumpartners with him once, everyone knew that he lurked as scum, everyone picked up on him lurking as scum, scumpartners told him to post more, he essentially couldn't. When I've played with him as town (a couple times, a few times), he's seemed town/I've locked down a townread on him fairly early. I think that he has a significant weakness in his scumgame and I think this weakness is magnified by pressure. I think his initial approach "I just got here!" without doing something is fairly damning in and of itself but it's not like he hasn't gotten a chance to do something; I'd give more benefit of the doubt if I wasn't familiar with his game, but I am and I don't see any reason offering it.

As for my approach to you, it's probably accurate to say that I'm buddying in that I'm tailoring my play to communicate better with you and you specifically; assigning that to scum motivation because "buddying" is a common tell will not give you much accuracy in general since it's an integral part of my style. I'd expect you to be familiar with this approach based on our first game together based on my shameless buddying of several key players, hence my initial response to you being as dismissive as it was; if it came off as rude, it wasn't my intention (although I imagine my style this game will probably end up being a bit grating), and if there's something you want me to slow down and talk about seriously, just let me know.
It's not helping, but I know it's not particularly alignment indicative in your case since you change up your game fairly frequently. Unfortunately.

Yes I do know that. That's why you didn't earn my vote for your procrastination, and instead got more pushes to contribute. I appreciate the clarification on Aristo.

I didn't say it was scum motivation. It makes me uneasy to have someone I don't townread buddy me. It doesn't necessarily make you scum. I buddy my townreads all the time, for instance. But using our first game as an example is actually terrible here; you were scum. You buddied me with the same brush you used to paint your buddy as town.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #83) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:59 pm

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In post 638, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 252, Socrates wrote:I'm the oddly stiff one? Rubbish.
You're correct that there's no logical explanation for Jae to reach the conclusion they did but gut wants what it wants and when said gut is referring to a confirmation post then it doesn't really matter in the end.
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was okay.
not great.
Sometimes okay, not great is enough to not want a D1 lynch on the person.
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Post Post #666 (isolation #84) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:59 pm

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In post 664, Nachomamma8 wrote:Oh ho ho I was thinking of Hungarian Notak II which I think you read but you did not play
Hah, yeah, that was my first game I'd ever read =) I think it was a good starting point, too.
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Post Post #669 (isolation #85) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:06 pm

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You put him at 5 votes of 7.

This is L-1.

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Post Post #675 (isolation #86) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:24 pm

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My issue with the Ari wagon starting up pretty much from his first few posts was that he hadn't had time to lurk, which is apparently his scumtell. That's why I wanted more info on it. This is probably a bus but eh, free scum is free scum I guess.

pedit: yeah I think he's Momo
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Post Post #676 (isolation #87) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:25 pm

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In post 671, camn wrote:Huh:
In post 109, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not familiar with any of the flavor but I feel like it could be indicative of alignment in some way.
In post 542, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why should we follow your theory, Dunn?
In post 549, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Dunn:
Your tone doesn't make me feel more at ease but I'll consider it.
TELL US YOUR ROLE!
wow yeah that looks really off
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Post Post #703 (isolation #88) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:22 pm

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I actually feel really disheartened by finding scum this way, tbh. It's boring. It's unfun.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #89) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:27 pm

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It's not that. I like scumhunting. I like being town because I like scumhunting. I just.... :/ Whatever. woo. go us with the no real achievement lynch.
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Post Post #710 (isolation #90) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:33 pm

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Town Ari wouldn't just self hammer there. He'd go through and try to do something. The hammer was a scumclaim.
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Post Post #711 (isolation #91) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:34 pm

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Better question: Why are you acting like you think he was town?
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Post Post #734 (isolation #92) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:19 pm

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Yeah as a guess one of the robot claims is probably fake and actually pintsize. Dunno if DS would allow it to be flavour broken that way though.

Dunn are you told when you succeed in upgrading someone? Like theoretically if one of them is a human and fakeclaimed robot would you know or nah?

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Post Post #741 (isolation #93) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:43 pm

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jfc no, go with whoever you townread, don't rely on the claims past "claimed robot" please.

and dunn, pintsize is a robot and someone i'd consider an asshole, so i can see his fakeclaim being a robot that isn't quite an asshole.
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Post Post #747 (isolation #94) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:45 am

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NACHO have you caught up on the comic yet tho?
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Post Post #748 (isolation #95) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:29 am

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camn didn't need to claim May of all ppl that's my stance. It's a pseudo-scummy claim just like sven is tbh. I'd trust scummy claims over non-scummy claims. Anyways yeah w/e idc I'm not sure enough to actually tell dunn who to choose tbh
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Post Post #763 (isolation #96) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:22 am

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Looking through Nacho's ISO.

Looks like he had TR's on all of: kraska, LLD, MoI, SpyreX, camn

I would say Socrates too but gives me pause, it looks like Nacho's read there wasn't as strong.
kraska you didn't answer Nacho's , could you do so?

RIP Nacho. Now has all the time to read the rest of the comic, though!

Seems like he had a strong sr on LUV, so I'm placing my bets on Nacho there.

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Post Post #764 (isolation #97) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:23 am

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In post 757, pisskop wrote:
In post 745, Dunnstral wrote:upgraded
Upgraded?

I have a secret condition to my role. explain pls.
This was explained by Dunn near end of day yesterday, go read it...or not, I'm not your mom.
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Post Post #766 (isolation #98) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:28 am

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In post 758, kraska77 wrote:
In post 757, pisskop wrote:
In post 745, Dunnstral wrote:upgraded
Upgraded?

I have a secret condition to my role. explain pls.
u really are scum arent u...................pisskoppu
Explain this, please.
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Post Post #767 (isolation #99) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:39 am

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In post 761, pisskop wrote:kraska's scum game is to make floaty posts without trying.

Is that like her this game?
uhh I'll reread but going off memory, no.

You wanted Uzi at some stage yesterday. Join me.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #100) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:50 am

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pisskop, kraska has done some good work this game I think. Would not want to lynch there today. Early game hard defense of me and push back on camn, and also hard defense of socrates when I was going at him (he might be scum tho)



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Post Post #774 (isolation #101) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:01 pm

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In post 772, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Quick skim of his ISO leads me to believe that if Magna and/or Socrates had reason to kill Nacho.

Night kill analysis isn't going to get us anywhere though.

pedit: I don't understand why?
I've done more than a quick skim. To me, his top scumspect looked like you.

It read as though he's townreading MoI but leaving him to do his own thing, and potentially scumreading Socrates but had him as rusty town earlier. I don't see where you get this belief that Magna had reason to kill him off that.

I can't see a world where I'm not lynching you today, so if you're town, sorry.
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Post Post #781 (isolation #102) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:23 pm

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In post 779, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Vote; Camn
Walk me through this when you can, please?
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Post Post #788 (isolation #103) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:32 pm

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In post 785, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 781, JaeReed wrote:
In post 779, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Vote; Camn
Walk me through this when you can, please?
Camn is scum.
Based off associates? Or her play today, or her play yesterday?
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Post Post #791 (isolation #104) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:34 pm

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In post 786, camn wrote:UNVOTE:

I'm willing to let Uzi Float another day for the inventions.
The night immunity though..... hm.

UZI - do you feel comfortable telling us what the inventions are? Not who you gave them to, but what they are?
Its not like the scum can kill you for it, right?

p-edit- Im not, LLD. You are just mad because I see why you would kill nacho.
Uhhh, but that claim looks really scummy? He can make up items to give to people is how I read that. That's a scum role on EM.

Plus you'd have to be willing to believe he's town when Dunn has an upgrade role. It means him or Dunn more likely scum from a setup pov I'm pretty sure.
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Post Post #807 (isolation #105) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:06 pm

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In post 801, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You talked with us in the Mafia QT plenty of times that game, I don't remember you being that far V/LA. I remember it being mostly Katsuki using that as an excuse to lurk.

Besides, you're the type of player who would absolutely kill Nacho last night. Your faux sentimentality is betraying your motivations.
Was the scum thread ever released for that game? I looked through the hydra's ISO there and I think camn's play is different here. It's kinda hard to draw anything though because it looks like she came back to pretty much being screwed over already?

What about the mindset of her here seems to convey that?
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Post Post #815 (isolation #106) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:45 pm

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pisskop's not scum.

We lynch Uzi. I'm pretty sure he's just not town.
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Post Post #817 (isolation #107) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:50 pm

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I think he's a
False
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Post Post #824 (isolation #108) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:57 pm

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In post 818, kraska77 wrote:
In post 816, camn wrote:Of course, if they were scum... that would POTENTIALLY be all scum power.. and also pretty twisted.
Pretty sure I was in a game before we're scum had a motivator but I don't remember the name
The no kill part of his claim could be fake. Don't know
And yes one of the robots is most probably scum. Which way are you leaning? Pisskop or spyrex?
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Why not jae
No. We're not lynching in the robots.

Because pisskop is actually one of my stronger townreads, of the variety that I don't often get, but when I do, there's no fucking way it flips scum.
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Post Post #829 (isolation #109) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:02 pm

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We're.not.lynching.in.robots.

I'm willing to lynch MoI failing an Uzi lynch. That's my
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Post Post #830 (isolation #110) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:03 pm

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Please.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #111) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:08 pm

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He's nightkill immune and ascetic on top of kraska being a miller.

That doesn't balance.
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Post Post #840 (isolation #112) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:15 pm

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Nacho was a 1-shot sensor.

kraska claimed miller 1-shot commuter.
Dunnstral can upgrade robots.
3 robots are upgradeable for power roles.
Lil Uzi Vert claimed ascetic nk-immune inventor able to give out a 1-shot roleblock, a 1-shot bp, and 2 times stop someone from submitting a kill.
LLD claims 1-shot neighborizer at a soft guess (don't confirm or deny, I don't care beyond that was already used)

meanwhile we've had one scum flip poisoner with a vote restriction.

also someone claimed rolestopper but I'm not sure that was entirely serious.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #113) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:22 pm

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All you're confirming is that he's either an inventor or a false inventor. It says nothing about what invention he gives to the person or if he's town or not.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #114) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:24 pm

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Like, ok. So he claims ascetic.

Would you out that early D1? Instead he crumbs inventor. That's as bad as a miller who doesn't claim at day start.
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Post Post #848 (isolation #115) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:27 pm

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In post 845, kraska77 wrote:He's willing to give out goodies so why not
And i think dunn would get told what he received
THERE WON'T BE ANY GOODIES.

1) Dunn will be told he received an ability that he could use, he uses it but it actually has NO effect because Uzi was a FALSE inventor.
2) Dunn is targeted by town Uzi inventor. Obvious nightkill if Dunn is not scum himself. Can't use whatever he got, and probably won't flip with it shown either.

This is very likely what is going to happen.
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Post Post #849 (isolation #116) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:28 pm

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In post 0, DiamondSentinel wrote:There are confirmed no bastard elements, so no jesters, no cult, or anything of the sort.
@Mod would you consider a hypothetical False Inventor role to be bastard if the Inventor themselves were aware they were False?
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Post Post #853 (isolation #117) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:32 pm

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I wouldn't think so. A scum fake inventor knows what their role encompasses. That's why I asked the question.
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Post Post #854 (isolation #118) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:33 pm

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In post 851, kraska77 wrote:
In post 848, JaeReed wrote:Dunn is targeted by town Uzi inventor. Obvious nightkill if Dunn is not scum himself. Can't use whatever he got, and probably won't flip with it shown either.
He's not obvious nightkill target if he could and up with bp
Anyway I didn't know fake inventor was a thing
Inventions are likely activated rather than passive. He very likely wouldn't be able to use the bp when he received it, therefore would die and take the bp with him.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #119) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:10 pm

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Right, well if mod responds that fake inventor that knows themselves to be fake would be considered bastard I'm fine with that.

My strongest trs are pisskop, dunn, kraska at this point. camn, lld close behind.
Don't give it to MoI, Socrates imo.

Uzi, who's scum for you then?
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Post Post #873 (isolation #120) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:31 am

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In post 861, kraska77 wrote:jae thatts not what i meant by mod lie
i mean if u get a cute lil msg telling u u got goodies when u didnt, thats a mod lie no?
No. That's role interaction imo. False inventor is made to work that way so it's not bastard.
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Post Post #875 (isolation #121) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:23 am

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In post 868, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 791, JaeReed wrote:Uhhh, but that claim looks really scummy? He can make up items to give to people is how I read that. That's a scum role on EM.
Ok how much experience do you actually have here on MS? Inventor is a pretty non-oddball role that is very commonly Town (but can be either alignment)? Have you never seen one in all the games you have played / read here?
What relevance does this have to you reading me? Like, I'm really tempted to not bother answering because it's such a nowhere line of questioning. I still don't feel like you're genuinely trying to sort me rather than just assign a read to me.

My experience on MS is right there with my join date and threads I've posted in for the most part. This is my first site I'd ever played mafia on, hadn't even done face to face before. Recently I've played about 20 games on EM and scum inventor there seems fairly popular. No, I haven't seen inventor on MS since I started playing. I'm pretty sure it's just not a common role.

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Post Post #876 (isolation #122) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:24 am

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In post 868, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Did you commute last Night kraska?
Don't answer this, kraska.
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Post Post #877 (isolation #123) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:25 am

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In post 858, pisskop wrote:i tjink camn could be sxum by play. im not aginst pressure on it
Hold my hand through your process here? Is this agreeance with the points LLD brought forward or is there more that I'm not picking up on? I'll reread once I know what I'm looking for.
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Post Post #878 (isolation #124) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:26 am

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In post 863, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Jae: 77 and Socrates
I can follow why on Socrates but why kraska?
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Post Post #880 (isolation #125) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:59 am

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Yeah but what has she been doing that pings you? I can't see it. :/
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Post Post #881 (isolation #126) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:04 am

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In post 874, Socrates wrote:Has everyone checked in?
As far as I know, yes.
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Post Post #882 (isolation #127) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:22 pm

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In post 875, JaeReed wrote:
In post 868, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 791, JaeReed wrote:Uhhh, but that claim looks really scummy? He can make up items to give to people is how I read that. That's a scum role on EM.
Ok how much experience do you actually have here on MS? Inventor is a pretty non-oddball role that is very commonly Town (but can be either alignment)? Have you never seen one in all the games you have played / read here?
What relevance does this have to you reading me? Like, I'm really tempted to not bother answering because it's such a nowhere line of questioning. I still don't feel like you're genuinely trying to sort me rather than just assign a read to me.

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@MoI sorry this was actually kinda jerkish and narrow-minded of me. I was being a crank :/
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #128) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:41 pm

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In post 1771, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 1770, SpyreX wrote:Ohh we were gonna play chicken and stab kop till something happened.

And ds i dont think its a function of town power fears as much as, well, town is hard
Their first mislynch was literally because he was "too powerful"
To be fair, Uzi lied about being bulletproof. Which is where the unbalanced argument came in.
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Post Post #1795 (isolation #129) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:38 pm

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Oh look my confirmation read on Socrates was right :P
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Post Post #1796 (isolation #130) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:50 pm

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In post 1789, Socrates wrote:And Jae, yes, your cop breadcrumb was incredibly obvious, and is more or less the only reason you got killed. The way you expanded your argument to not lynch any of the robots threw me for a bit about whether you were more than just a cop, but the fact that you were an information role was undeniable.
Honestly, I half knew pisskop was town because I was playing with him and dunn as scum in another game at the same time.

But I knew I wasn't likely to stop a lynch on pisskop without having the inno result, and I don't lie as town. It gave him enough time to get conftowned by Dunn and I was hoping he'd do a little more because I have seen him pull off some good plays. It just wasn't meant to be :(
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #131) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:04 pm

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camn, you're a pleasure to play with. Just sayin' =)
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