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Post Post #825  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:13 am

VOTE: schadd_

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Post Post #826  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:15 am

In post 824, -Grey- wrote:It's typically my approach outside of the newbie queue, so it's sort of turned into habit I guess.


How you played mafia elsewhere, and if yes then where/how much? You have less than 2 months on this site, but seems like you have more experience than that.

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Post Post #827  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:16 am

{Creature}
{Casserole, Gigs, Rask}

{ThinkBig, Shade}
{schadd_ }
It's not what a lawyer tells me I may do but what humanity, reason, and justice tells me I ought to do. - Edmund Burke
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Post Post #828  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:17 am

In post 827, -Grey- wrote:{Creature}
{Casserole, Gigs, Rask}

{ThinkBig, Shade}
{schadd_ }


what about me?

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Post Post #829  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:17 am

In post 826, mattblackguy wrote:
In post 824, -Grey- wrote:It's typically my approach outside of the newbie queue, so it's sort of turned into habit I guess.


How you played mafia elsewhere, and if yes then where/how much? You have less than 2 months on this site, but seems like you have more experience than that.

Most of my experience is F2F, which is why I *suck* at reading people.

I do enjoy gambiting, though.
It's not what a lawyer tells me I may do but what humanity, reason, and justice tells me I ought to do. - Edmund Burke
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Best Performance (Town): Open 661 (fake-countered scum cop claim as VT on d1)
Best Performance (Scum): Newbie 1763 (Turned a scumread slot into obvtown for clean sweep)

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Post Post #830  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:18 am

In post 828, mattblackguy wrote:
In post 827, -Grey- wrote:{Creature}
{Casserole, Gigs, Rask}

{ThinkBig, Shade}
{schadd_ }


what about me?

I'm not sure, tbh.
It's not what a lawyer tells me I may do but what humanity, reason, and justice tells me I ought to do. - Edmund Burke
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Best Performance (Town): Open 661 (fake-countered scum cop claim as VT on d1)
Best Performance (Scum): Newbie 1763 (Turned a scumread slot into obvtown for clean sweep)

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Post Post #831  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:18 am

alright so heres my take? schadd_ has a fluffpost inflated post count. the remainder of posts are high content, low quality posts with no scumhunting. most of it is short NAI posts offering diff views to people who are scumhunting. when called out on a (admittedly weak) case, he aced the majority of it while dodging one of the most important questions (hyperdefensiveness). he has offered precisely one readlist despite not one but TWO major changes in gamestate, and the readlist (when questioned) had thin justifications that i missed because i was thinking of a noobtown, not an SE-equiv scum

his first vote for TB made during RVS is his only vote, and it was placed as post #7 -- we are now at 823 posts in the thread. that is a long ass time to park a post.

p-edit: i like this but im trying to work out a solid new readlist before i consider that wagon just yet.

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Post Post #832  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:19 am

EBWOP oh wait i dont have a vote out wtf

VOTE: schadd_ i hate not having a vote out

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Post Post #833  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:21 am

also EBWOP @ park a vote*

i think that case above p much sums it up and its pretty solid. and that parked vote from gamestart makes me feel p good about a tb+schadd_ team

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Post Post #834  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:21 am

In post 832, cassielle wrote:i hate not having a vote out

I know exactly what you mean.

I hardly ever unvote because I feel a dormant vote is a wasted vote.
It's not what a lawyer tells me I may do but what humanity, reason, and justice tells me I ought to do. - Edmund Burke
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Best Performance (Scum): Newbie 1763 (Turned a scumread slot into obvtown for clean sweep)

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Post Post #835  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:23 am

that exactly precisely thank you. i also feel like a vote that doesnt move much is a wasted vote -- if your vote is gamestate unaware youre prob tunnelled or lurking and if youre town you need to think hard about why your vote hasnt moved

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Post Post #836  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:26 am

In post 835, cassielle wrote:that exactly precisely thank you.

Do you get why I wasn't concerned about my vote being on Rask for an hour after he claimed?

I was active in the thread, there would have been hell to pay if anyone else voted him.
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Best Performance (Scum): Newbie 1763 (Turned a scumread slot into obvtown for clean sweep)

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Post Post #837  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:27 am

In post 823, cassielle wrote:mbg+schadd_ is possible... feels forced but i dont know why i have that vibe.


Why does that feel forced? I think it makes sense if schadd flipped scum that I could be his scum buddy, but I don't think schadd is scum.

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Post Post #838  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:28 am

In post 837, mattblackguy wrote:I think it makes sense if schadd flipped scum that I could be his scum buddy


How does this make sense from a town perspective??
It's not what a lawyer tells me I may do but what humanity, reason, and justice tells me I ought to do. - Edmund Burke
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Best Performance (Scum): Newbie 1763 (Turned a scumread slot into obvtown for clean sweep)

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Post Post #839  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:30 am

In post 836, -Grey- wrote:
In post 835, cassielle wrote:that exactly precisely thank you.

Do you get why I wasn't concerned about my vote being on Rask for an hour after he claimed?

I was active in the thread, there would have been hell to pay if anyone else voted him.


i totally understand that part. it doesnt feel scummy, its a combination of that with the TB vote AND the fact that the whole thing was explicitly being looked at from a scumread pov. (which is also why it looked biased af, it was intentionally so, a top-down re-examination of the slot)

@mbg: it feels weird and i have no clue why, though im not sure how to take that post rofl

p-edit EXACTLY right, that, but at the same time thatd be as good as a scumclaim/instalynch -- is this like, refuge in audacity or wtf?

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Post Post #840  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:30 am

In post 838, -Grey- wrote:How does this make sense from a town perspective??


What do you mean? Which person's perspective are you talking about?

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Post Post #841  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:32 am

your post man, you jus about said "im scum and schadd_'s my scum buddy" there except im not sure if its possible for you to make that bad of a scumslip seriously

idk @-grey- would this be a policy lynch normally? i have no idea, im weirded out

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Post Post #842  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:33 am

In post 840, mattblackguy wrote:
In post 838, -Grey- wrote:How does this make sense from a town perspective??


What do you mean? Which person's perspective are you talking about?

Yours.

How can you, as town, think it's reasonable to consider you scum?

If you're confirmed town to yourself, why would you think it's okay for others to consider you Scum?
It's not what a lawyer tells me I may do but what humanity, reason, and justice tells me I ought to do. - Edmund Burke
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Best Performance (Scum): Newbie 1763 (Turned a scumread slot into obvtown for clean sweep)

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Post Post #843  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:33 am

In post 841, cassielle wrote:idk @-grey- would this be a policy lynch normally? i have no idea, im weirded out

I'm not a fan of policy lynches.
It's not what a lawyer tells me I may do but what humanity, reason, and justice tells me I ought to do. - Edmund Burke
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Best Performance (Scum): Newbie 1763 (Turned a scumread slot into obvtown for clean sweep)

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Post Post #844  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:34 am

i can see finding it reasonable for someone to have a scumread on me. i cannot see "finding it reasonable to consider a world where i am scum" <--- that part is crazy

p-edit: makes sense. thats just creeping me out.

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Post Post #845  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:36 am

In post 842, -Grey- wrote:If you're confirmed town to yourself, why would you think it's okay for others to consider you Scum?


Of course I know I'm town, but other town don't. What I was saying is I felt stronger about schadd being town than others, so I would understand why if schadd did flip scum then others would make the connection, and say I could possible be his scum partner.

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Post Post #846  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:37 am

In post 841, cassielle wrote:your post man, you jus about said "im scum and schadd_'s my scum buddy" there except im not sure if its possible for you to make that bad of a scumslip seriously


That's not what I was saying at all... Maybe it came out wrong but I explained in my previous post what I meant.

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Post Post #847  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:41 am

thats really self-aware/self-analytical thinking.

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Post Post #848  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:42 am

I was trying to look at the game from the perspective of others, and how others view me.

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Post Post #849  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:44 am

thats not really a town way of thinking in general. town knows theyre town, why do they care what others think? town can find town barring exceptional silliness or active scum misdirection.

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