Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Desperado

Y'all suck for not letting me OMGUS

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: AJ

[BBmolla]

I think it's enormously likely scum participated in the player count discussion

[BBmolla]

alban probably town btw

[BBmolla]

Going back to the actual game at hand, I'm content with our vote on Titus because Pine brought up a good point that it feels off to have a strong personality saying she caught scum right out the gate but have the level-head to produce VCA which apparently she's good at doing.

this is dumb reasoning

not scum, but it's dumb

is this actually why people are voting titus

[BBmolla]

Titus does this shit like every game. Its null.

ding ding ding

[BBmolla]

VOTE: SirCakes

[BBmolla]

im vigging the ever loving shit out of drunken sailor, im not dealing with that self post restriction all game

[BBmolla]

oh yeah aj is still scum

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Nero for Rogue Leader

[BBmolla]

VOTE: AJ

[BBmolla]

Molla might be scum.

nope

[BBmolla]

I think Nero is the only person reading this game the same as me

wtf are you all reading

[BBmolla]

Do you even know what the Rogue Leader is?

Can you explain? I have been asking this for a long time.

look in the opening post

[BBmolla]

like come on, it's right there jesus christ

[BBmolla]

Infinity is controversial enough that he shouldn't be Rogue Leader. I'm uncomfortable with them as Rogue Leader can we choose someone else please, doesn't have to be Nero

[BBmolla]

Scum-AJ is on heartless tho :/

[BBmolla]

Infinity 324 (6): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, The Thinker, Heartless, Mastina

this list of players hardly inspires my confidence.

2 of the players on this list aren't voting for scum. Out of 3 players not voting total.

seems a bit odd dontcha think

[BBmolla]

guess it's just me. proceed as you were.

[BBmolla]

voting for scum meaning they aren't voting anyone to lynch

[BBmolla]

idk, I'll be back when Nero is here to probably reinforce whatever he's saying

[BBmolla]

Infinity 324 (6): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, The Thinker, Heartless, Mastina

this list of players hardly inspires my confidence.

2 of the players on this list aren't voting for scum. Out of 3 players not voting total.

seems a bit odd dontcha think

i'm not voting b/c i need to sync w/ tth before we revote

[blahblahblah hydra dissonance blahblahblah you're making excuses blahblahblah see, this is the problem with hydras, get off my lawn blahblahblah blahblahbklha;lkdsflk;asjd f;lkdsjfwa turd sandwich pbbbbbbbbbbbbttttttttt bpbpptpbtpbpptbtppt ]
/flails fists in uncontrollable, pants-soiling fury

there, i just made the horrible post that somebody's inevitably going to make. now we have that out of the way.

that's valid

[BBmolla]

Why aren't you sheeping Nero on SC if you're claiming you two are reading the game the same way?

I'm fine with SC lynch but AJ is more obviously scum

[BBmolla]

You're wrong.

[BBmolla]

infinity are you just scum reading me cause you're mad I don't you rebel leader

like you can admit it if so it's ok

[BBmolla]

Nulltown: piper,

alban, AJ

honeslty what lmfao

[BBmolla]

Who is scum BB?

Does Infinity scumreading you ping you as driven be either alignment?

their reads seem garbage as fuck so I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and just assuem they're scum

[BBmolla]

mastin always misreads me though, so that doesn't apply to her. she actually probably "townreads" me more as scum than as town.

[BBmolla]

AJ is scum

[BBmolla]

you have aj as town above like 70% of the playerlist don't roll your eyes at me bro

[BBmolla]

Yo don't talk about ongoing games.

[BBmolla]

Nacho can you tell mastin I'm town my efforts of fruitless

[BBmolla]

I'm scum cause I'm voting with a lesser scumread and not wanting to vote with my scumread that I'm way way way more confident in?

LMFAO

[BBmolla]

mastin did you know that I am a human

[BBmolla]

mastin did you know that I am a human

[BBmolla]

VC

I'm scum cause I'm voting with a lesser scumread and not wanting to vote with my scumread that I'm way way way more confident in?

LMFAO

One of my favorite scum tactics, making it seem like the arguments against you are ridiculous.

it is ridiculous

[BBmolla]

like you're welcome to disagree with me but it's stupid.

I'm not going to refuse voting with all scummyish players but it sure seems like a good fucking idea to not be voting who my top scumread is.

It's stupid.

[BBmolla]

it could be

I could also interpret a man saying "que pasa" as him saying "kay pasta." it's understandable but it's still stupid and wrong.

[BBmolla]

mastin consistently does this shit it gets old

[BBmolla]

ok

[BBmolla]

I could also interpret a man saying "que pasa" as him saying "kay pasta." it's understandable but it's still stupid and wrong.

There's some sort of logical fallacy for this. I can't remember which one, or what it's called. But this...what would it be, misdirection? That doesn't seem like quite the word for it...is a blatant deflection from the valid point against Molla.

the point isn't valid for reasons I've stated

do I need to quote them for you

[BBmolla]

your logic makes me the assumption I would never vote with anyone I think is remotely scummy

which is a silly assumption because it'd be sure as fuck hard to vote ever in mafia if you could only vote on a wagon you find 100% townish in composition.

[BBmolla]

But I have my reservations, if I think a player is blatantly scum it's likely a good idea to try avoid voting with them

[BBmolla]

I was vanillaized.

Which sucks cause I would have had a permanent PT with Nacho

[BBmolla]

I'm behind.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Kling

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Kling

[BBmolla]

I think Titus is town?

I don't know about you dude :/

[BBmolla]

also willing to lynch AJ

[BBmolla]

Peregrine we've played so many games together jesus

[BBmolla]

also willing to lynch AJ

also willing to lynch AJ

Glad to have your contributions too. You have my permission to take off the beer goggles whenever.

you guys are cute while you "complain" about each other,
but you are voting together like a baaaad mother..

any reason you guys avent voted Pine?
not really reading or maybe just behind?

kling's hammer

[BBmolla]

I don't like letting people get away with hammers that don't follow general policy. It's a recipe for disaster going forward.

is better than a guilty result?
since when, please consult.

i missed this, who has the guilty?

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Pine

[BBmolla]

actually....Molla full claims his previous role or eats rope/lead depending on which he finds tastier.

K-2SO, JOAT

1- shot Deflect, 1-shot Redirect, 1-shot Rolestop

Plus I could choose someone and they would create a PT with me if they died and could kee ptalking to me

[BBmolla]

VOTE: AJ

OR TWIE if we wanna go that route

[BBmolla]

Why claim Vanillaized and then defend the shit out of Pine, that seems ineffective if the goal is to make myself seem town on a Pine flip

[BBmolla]

I defended him all day 1

so okay why defend pine then claim vanillaized

[BBmolla]

nope ISO'd myself memory failing me never mind

[BBmolla]

I'm not scum boys.

[BBmolla]

and girls

[BBmolla]

actually....Molla full claims his previous role or eats rope/lead depending on which he finds tastier.

K-2SO, JOAT

1- shot Deflect, 1-shot Redirect, 1-shot Rolestop

Plus I could choose someone and they would create a PT with me if they died and could kee ptalking to me

knowing what in the crew in part.
knowing my role and whats in my heart.

if you believe this, one would assess.
I think town has a lot of power, I must confess.

it's a lot of x-shot power so it likely all balances out?

[BBmolla]

Plus I could choose someone and they would create a PT with me if they died and could kee ptalking to me

what's the quote that goes w this?

special ability name? memory banks

[BBmolla]

if I was scum the most beneficial thing to claim today would have been VT

[BBmolla]

would I do a gambit like that and claim vanillaized as scum? ya probably

but I would do it in a way that sets me up to look good post-pine flip and I'd probably even try to bus him

I mean idk it's all hypothetical, my play is much more calculated as scum and you've seen that mastin. as town I just kind of fumble

[BBmolla]

not to mention, if I was doing all the sort of shit you're accusing me of I'd be more invested. I was fucking psyched to have a perma qt with nach because it would actually get me into this game.

[BBmolla]

my role was vanillaized anyway why wouldn't I claim, I don't understand that

[BBmolla]

Molla literally could've claimed any role he wanted. Any role. That he claimed the particular role he claimed is completely NAI.

No, he couldn't.

If BBMolla claimed a role which was already in the game, he would be counterclaimed.

And then he'd be lynched, because the CCer would be town.

Molla had no choice but to claim his actual role when roleclaiming.

This is common fucking sense.

If you're not a cop, as scum, do you claim cop? Not unless you're specifically looking to be counterclaimed. The risk of the role being in the game would simply be too high. Now, granted. In select conditions, this may not apply. But in a theme game which is role-heavy, fuck yes it means you claim your real role 95% of the time because claiming anything else gets you lynched almost every time. (Within reason. Goon-->Vanilla; Godfather-->still Vanilla; Ninja-->stiiiiiill Vanilla; Strongman-->Yep, still claiming Vanilla. Roleblocker-->RB or maybe if you're feeling ambitious JK. VT is possible, of course. Rolecop-->Rolecop, Vanilla cop, if you're feeling ambitious Neapolitan, or maybe VT if you're a coward.)

uh

that literally goes against everything I've ever done when fake claiming

[BBmolla]

claiming your role as scum works maybe 10% of the time

[BBmolla]

also I'm the kind of kid who claims miller in a multiscum large, how boring do you think I am jesus christ

[BBmolla]

I claimed a percentage role in a game one time

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6094183

heres my miller claim second post for no reason

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6644254

[BBmolla]

my point is you make a lot of assumptions about how I would play that just aren't true

I fake claimed to be recieving amnesiac reports as a cop when I got a guilty on you mastin

I don't follow why you have this thought that I'm willing to be so boring. The vanillaizer gambit I would do, the rest of it doesn't fit though. Vanillaizer gambit would be my game plan strategy and my entire play would revolve around it, I'd bus the shit out of Pine and when he flips I'd coast into endgame. Why would i not capitalize on that here? Claiming vanillaized without a vanillaizer flip doesn't gain shit for town cred, seeing that vanillaizer flip is what would get me towncred.

I know I sound rambly but I'm doing whatever I can to make you realize this isn't how the game would play out with me as scum. it just isn't.

[BBmolla]

Why is no one asking me anything

I feel objectified

[BBmolla]

I actually tried to use an action but was reminded I was vanillaized

[BBmolla]

I want trying to redirect AJ to Klingon

Not that it matters

[BBmolla]

No scum would fake being vanillaized before DP revealed his guilty.

This is akin to saying no scum would fakeclaim miller after a cop claimed an investigation.

Scum gambit.
Often in advance.
These gambits have a defined benefit.
Something that is, ideally, high reward and low risk.

BBMolla's claim to be vanillaized is low-risk. He loses virtually nothing from claiming it.
BBMolla's claim to be vanillaized is GAME WINNING LEVELS of high-reward. He gains conftown status from it.

What does Molla loses from claiming? Nothing.
What does Molla gain from claiming? Everything.

Right there is your motive. Right there is your explanation. And as Molla himself points out, it's something he would do, ESPECIALLY when coordinating with Pine. Pine, one of the best wifom scum players in existence. Pine, who there's a whole fucking game being run about that boils down to Pine wifom. (I think I can reference it existing as it was advertised?) I can catch Pine off of his play. And I can recognize Pine's night action pattern. This is his. The idea just FITS. It fits so ridiculously well.

Molla is scum.

It's that simple.

but I'd be cleaner about it mastina, I'd bus Pine

that's like double confirmed town, pushed lynch on the vanillaizer when I'm vanillaized?

you're just ignoring all the things like this, it would be more flawless if I was scum. it's messy looking cause I'm town

[BBmolla]

im not scum mastina please stop talking about me like a painting and instead engage me.

[BBmolla]

[BBmolla]

mastina I don't even think you're scum

you're just wrong about me

[BBmolla]

why the fuck are you ignoring me

[BBmolla]

mastina it troubles me when you put in an exceeding amount of effort and come to the wrong conclusion

im just trying to help you :/

[BBmolla]

why do you think I'm scum

[BBmolla]

Look you fuckwit I've been trying to get people to engage me but everyone is ignoring me.

[BBmolla]

AJ CONTINUES TO BE SCUM

If we need to lynch me for you and mastina to get your heads out of your asses then fine.

[BBmolla]

You're so attached to this nonexistant narrative you've concocted that quite frankly idk what to even do. I've tried to engage and dispell any possible qualms, I can literally answer anything you want, I'm town and I have nothing to hide

[BBmolla]

like fuck man I really think you're town, mastina maybe not (?), but I really believe you are. can we talk about your worries about me and figure this shit out so we don't need to waste a lynch

[BBmolla]

I generally skim your posts because I hate your self applied restriction with a passion

[BBmolla]

Also I'm full JK and locked Cakez two nights in a row. This was said in the claim.

VOTE AJ

I probably dont need to read anymore,
seeing I didnt get a "no result" on cakez, you whore.

I will continue reading, to see what this is to see.
but unless i was redirected, the next scum has been caught, who wants to thank me?

This isn't how jailkeeper works.

Jailkeeper roleblocks and protects the target, not rolestop.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: TWIE

[BBmolla]

Well this game started right when school was restarting and now I have a job and have been working backstage theatre almost every day of the school week so yeah I can't be as active.

I feel ya. Rehearsals every night but Saturday.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: zefiend

[BBmolla]

I'm pretty fine with either of these wagons tbh

[BBmolla]

helloo

[BBmolla]

intent to hammer sircakes

[BBmolla]

anything else before I hammer folks

[BBmolla]

I barely have posts on anyone you're not special

[BBmolla]

sircakez the honest truth is I am beyond terrible at mafia now. I am the worst player I've ever seen.

the only fact I know is I'm town and I don't particularly think you are so your lynch is better than mine.

[BBmolla]

I don't know about anybody else, but if scum were scared enough of me to vanillaize me on Night 1 I would feel fucking fantastic. I would think someone vanillaized would be emboldened to push their reads even more but Molla's slinking around like a dog in a thunderstorm. I don't get it. The attitude doesn't make sense to me.

I've assumed it was based off of some sort of PR read or Pine having played with me and thinking I'd cop him or some shit

[BBmolla]

why would being vanillaized make me feel confident

[BBmolla]

mastin what are some things I do that look town?

[BBmolla]

VOTE: TWIE

[BBmolla]

The anonymous message seems suspect on so many levels. For us to believe it we have to believe there is:

A. A role that gets alignment and role as a result
B. A role that can send messages and has that knowledge

??????

[BBmolla]

I guess I don't really know what to make of it?

[BBmolla]

mastin what are some things I do that look town?

This game?

None.

In other games?

A ton.

When you are town, you are really obviously town.
Not so much here!

[BBmolla]

I think I'm just playing a shit game tbh

[BBmolla]

And I know I would use that as an excuse as scum but it is what it is.

[BBmolla]

Are we sure this isn't a scum plot to get Pv lynched? Scum Rolecop + Scum Messenger?

[BBmolla]

mastin when I flip town I won't say I told you so

[BBmolla]

?

[BBmolla]

Sometimes the honest truth looks worse than a fabricated lie, all I can say.

[BBmolla]

So folks

Who was the scum on the wagon

[BBmolla]

Scum off the wagon was TWIE it's more interesting to discuss scum on the wagon

But please continue tunneling me I look forward to rubbing it in your face post game

[BBmolla]

can we lynch mastin now

[BBmolla]

I claimed ages ago piper

[BBmolla]

Sorry boys, been crazy busy lately. Will try to catch up a bit tonight.

[BBmolla]

We think mastina is town, mostly due to her interactions with Pine. The reason I'm pestering you is see what you have to say.

Which interactions in particular

[BBmolla]

Lmfao @ the mod announcement

@Heartless: The last Pine quote in particular reads as scum appealing to town, so you might be right.

[BBmolla]

We're likely in MYLO imo (AKA, probably 3 scum left)

MoI is most certainly scum I think? I don't see many scumteams that wouldn't include him.

[BBmolla]

Just as a note, mastin has hard bussed before, and I could feasibly see mastin planning a bus on Pine as a way to ensure town cred for one of them.

[BBmolla]

I'm extremely extremely in the camp of Nero being almost certainly town. If I'm wrong then lol :/

[BBmolla]

DP name the scumteam go

[BBmolla]

Oh zefiend is prob scum just for that push

[BBmolla]

Been down lately so haven't been feeling mafia

Is there a world where MoI isn't scum?

[BBmolla]

Heartless is Loved.

?

[BBmolla]

I'm having issues seeing the scumteam with zefiend while I'm having the opposite issue with MoI so I'll likely end up on MoI.

[BBmolla]

I also think me and AJ are both likely town at this stage, namely due to AJ's role and aloofness

[BBmolla]

fuck off

[BBmolla]

if you're just going to spit at my words say what you disagree with

[BBmolla]

That's not what's happening though so I'd be lying

[BBmolla]

I'm not town reading zefiend, I have mixed feelings. But I'm having trouble placing him in a team.

[BBmolla]

If you'd fucking ask instead of responding with garbage posts you could find these things out

[BBmolla]

VOTE: MOI

This day's gone on long enough anyways and we can get Zefiend tomorrow.

L-1 I think

It's probably MYLO isn't it?

[BBmolla]

I'm not town reading zefiend, I have mixed feelings. But I'm having trouble placing him in a team.

with moi?

what's the trouble?

Both the wagons today being scum would be fucking weird no? They're so close to victory, why bus?

[BBmolla]

Alright I'm good to hammer, anyone got anything else to discuss before I do?

[BBmolla]

Anti and I need to talk about Molla.

Why the fuck would I as scum let more discussion take place instead of just hammering

If I'm scum he's town, scum wins (assumedly)
If I'm scum he's scum, I get town cred

I'm not scum

[BBmolla]

Why would it just today occur to you that mastina might be scum? The feeling I got for most of this game is that you thought she was town genuinely making a bad read and you've been trying to talk her out of it.
Also, what changed your mind on AJ?

I didn't think much of the scumread on me because my play was really lackluster and I've had some killer town games with mastin in the past. But I kind of PoEd it and also I believe by now mastin would realize I'm town.

AJs claim and his play is so relaxed. He just seems too mellow to have an agenda.

[BBmolla]

I'll hammer in the morning.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: MagnaOfIllusion

Still not scum and I hope this is right or I'll probably cry tbh. If it's wrong I'm likely way off base and it's Nero/Heartless/zefiend or some crazy shit

[BBmolla]

This all actually seems pretty reasonable?

[BBmolla]

I missed something, what us zefiends character ability?

[BBmolla]

This seems too easy so just allow me to dwell on it a bit

[BBmolla]

Jesus Christ Heartless

[BBmolla]

VOTE: no lynch

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:

Could be some fucked mechanics I guess so hold up

[BBmolla]

It's probably TWIE

why do you think this setup is broken though, I'm curious

[BBmolla]

it also could be mastin because the role pms blatantly don't state anything about the Death Star

[BBmolla]

The flipped scum role pms

[BBmolla]

Like not even a REDACTED section that could be plausibly it

[BBmolla]

TWIE's hammer seems really fucking dramatic though tbh

[BBmolla]

either us or mastin goes then it's back to the same thing tomorrow

are both of us in question to you? bc that's the only way NL benefits

its weird to me that both of you are here, yes.

like if molla isnt scum its pretty fucking obvious why hes here.

cause ive been a deadweight?

what a shcoking revelation

[BBmolla]

youre an ass

[BBmolla]

Typically yes. Are you assuming mastin is telling the truth?

[BBmolla]

Why is TWIE's LYLO strategy to be a complete fuckwad

[BBmolla]

Why is TWIE's MYLO strategy to be a complete fuckwad

[BBmolla]

VOTE: no lynch

[BBmolla]

Why is TWIE's MYLO strategy to be a complete fuckwad

doesnt it feel better to accurately reflect the gamestate?

should try it more often.

Doesn't it feel better to not be a fuckwad

[BBmolla]

mastin check my recent games. I've just been shit. I used to be bad but I've gotten even worse.

I get why this looks all orchestrated cause orchestrating bullshit is my favorite thing to do but all I can say is I've done nothing but tell the truth, as good or bad as it looks.

[BBmolla]

I think TWIE is scum so I don't see a point in appealing to him

[BBmolla]

What is there to comment on in the last will heartless is probably right

[BBmolla]

Why did I even consider a situation where you wouldn't be complete shit today. I mean all the evidence pointed in that direction.

If you think I'm shit then you're assuming I'm town, so thanks I guess

[BBmolla]

I'll probably throw a vote down soon, just in a show and want to do some ISOs before I do so

[BBmolla]

???

[BBmolla]

I think TWIE is scum so I don't see a point in appealing to him

My point here though is that you're basically acting the way scum act in lylo.
TWIE is not someone you're likely to sway--so there would be no point in trying.
There would be no point in casting shade on me, on throwing suspicion on me, because you'd know that TWIE would be going after you, and that it would come down to me, so you'd be focusing on me...which is what you're doing.

As town, I would be expecting you to

not

know for sure that I am town. As town, I would be expecting you to be doing scumhunting. It wouldn't need to be much. It could be a one-liner. It could be a simple question. But I'd expect you to be doing SOMETHING if you were town, because I don't think you as town would hold conviction in a scumread...or if you did.

IF you did hold conviction in a scumread. You wouldn't hold this hesitancy to vote. You'd be pushing TWIE. You'd be on the offensive, trying to explain to me not only that TWIE is scum, but also to trust that you're town.

The thing is, what you're doing falls into neither category, but rather, something which is squarely in the middle, so to speak, trying to have the best of both worlds, the pattern I'd associate with scum: you are appealing to me, but you are avoiding committing, just in case it turns out TWIE has interest in voting me. How am I supposed to see that as town?

If I vote incorrectly I lose the game. Do I fully believe TWIE is final scum? Yes. Am I ready to put all my faith in my belief at this point? No.

I quite frankly don't give a fuck how I look. I'm waiting to vote but I still have my opinions.

[BBmolla]

Logically TWIE is scum, mastins claim makes sense with the setup.

Emotionally, TWIE feels more town than mastin.

So there's that too.

[BBmolla]

I mean I guess part of me was hoping scum would vote first giving me the hammer or saving me from having to hammer.

[BBmolla]

idk dudes. I'm not scum. I wish my townbro would see it but I don't see that really happening.

[BBmolla]

Been so busy with life sorry.

Mastin where do you stand at the moment?

[BBmolla]

Molla your killing me man.

Why?

[BBmolla]

I was vanillaized.

Which sucks cause I would have had a

permanent

PT with Nacho

actually....Molla full claims his previous role or eats rope/lead depending on which he finds tastier.

K-2SO, JOAT

1- shot Deflect, 1-shot Redirect, 1-shot Rolestop

Plus I could choose someone and they would create a PT with me if they died and could kee ptalking to me

[BBmolla]

My class or whatever you would call it is Droid

And my special ability is called memory banks

[BBmolla]

4 days lady and gentleman, if you're going to vote me the time is now.

[BBmolla]

or its a good time to convince us you're town?

If I do that though scum won't vote me and I'll have to decide

[BBmolla]

or its a good time to convince us you're town?

If I do that though scum won't vote me and I'll have to decide

what if town votes you because neither of you have put in very much effort today and only 1 of you has put in effort the whole game?

Then we lose

[BBmolla]

Why don't you galvanize into action?

[BBmolla]

Why don't you galvanize into action?

hilarious.

you're aware that of the literal 3 things i asked you for you still havent responded to 1 of them right.

THen say it, I'm not purposefully ignoring them I'm just dull

[BBmolla]

I was gonna vote TWIE regardless.

[BBmolla]

I was gonna vote TWIE regardless.

lol

lost a lot of respect for you bro

What are you trying to accomplish

[BBmolla]

that's fine then